New Ending

[Dust2Dust AMEN]

Ok, i think i have a theory on the new ending the movies are gonna give us.

Ok, we have covered the 14 main angels, but what about devils? And it would make sense if you think, considering most of the show is based off of christian mytho's. Post your theories here.

[NAveryW]

Eerm, I doubt it.

[Dust2Dust AMEN]

common, u have to think about from a catholic-christian view

[NAveryW]

But they chose to call them Angels because they were "messengers". And in fact that's all they were called in the Japanese version, messengers. Messengers and demons doesn't quite make sense.

[Loki_Harbinger]

Besides if you look at it like a catholic then all devils are are fallen angels. THe movies will more than likely have a very dumbed down american conclusion to the hole thing

[Mr. Tines]

considering most of the show is based off of christian mytho's.

Actually a grab-bag of kabballah-related stuff

When asked at Otakon 2001 to explain the symbolism of the cross in NGE, Tsurumaki (assistant director of NGE and director of the Air part of EoE) replied:

There are a lot of giant robot shows in Japan, and we did want our story to have a religious theme to help distinguish us. Because Christianity is an uncommon religion in Japan we thought it would be mysterious. None of the staff who worked on Eva are Christians. There is no actual Christian meaning to the show; we just thought the visual symbols of Christianity look cool. If we had known the show would get distributed in the US and Europe we might have rethought that choice.

Also, the following was posted by bochan_bird on the Eva ML:

According to a very frank and open 40-minute interview by Anno on the NHK TV program Top Runner (www.nhk.org.jp/tr/) [date not cited], all religious and philosophical references, while providing a coherent setting for the story, were used for the specific purpose of looking cool and to make Anno & company appear intelligent.

Anno himself called it “pedantry” (the display/parading of one's intelligence), and this is backed up by comments by Tsurumaki and other staff as well. So get over the religious inferences, because THERE IS NO DEEPER MEANING!!!

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[Defiled one]

And we also have to remember that the "angels".."Shitos" were considered angels because they belonged to an ancient alien civilization...like us...present at the time of our creation....

[Reichu]

Ok, we have covered the 14 main angels, but what about devils?
Well, let's see...

(1) Lilith and her demon-spawn, the Lilim.

(2) The angelic figure depicted in the opening sequence, with its 12 eye-covered wings, is often identified as Sammael, the Devil. The Twelve Wings, later manifested by Lilith and EVA-01, are a trait associated with the Devil.

(3) Adam's Wings of Light spreading above the South Pole are described in the script as being "like a devil's". When EVA-01 ascends in EoE, one of the JSSDF commandos comments, "IS IT THE DEVIL HIMSELF?!?" (lol (http://www.evacommentary.org/images_capdoc/reichu_devil-herself.gif))

Yeah, they already got it covered -- sorry.

[Dust2Dust AMEN]

ok then.
what are your theories on the new end.

[Demon_Eva01]

The new ending will be a giant mess of apocalyptic mayhem with some added humor. And eventually Shinji will learn something but it will be short lived as something happens and everyone dies.

Or

The new ending will be a giant mess of apocalyptic mayhem with some added humor, Shinji will learn something and then everyone will get along and live happily ever after (This I highly doubt will happen but just throwing it out there as a possibility)

But in any case I'm sure Hideaki will make something no one will expect and it will piss some people off like always.

[Reichu]

ok then.
what are your theories on the new end.
One cannot form theories when there is no information available aside from "it's completely new".

[Defiled one]

arent the movies side stories? and not sequals? Now I ma confused

[NAveryW]

arent the movies side stories? and not sequals? Now I ma confused
Relax, everyone else is as confused as you are.


EDIT: Also, Mr. Tines, do you know where I can find a transcript of that interview?

[Reichu]

Whenever official info on Rebuild is released, and translated well, put it somewhere and don't lose it. That way, you'll know what's real and what's rumor or pointless speculation. Make sense? So ridiculously little has been revealed that there's nothing to be gained from throwing around half-boiled guesses and misinformation.

EDIT: Also, Mr. Tines, do you know where I can find a transcript of that interview?
AFAIK, bochan_bird never did it.

[Hekym]

I agree with Demon Eva 01, to an extent. Probably, the last movie, the sequel, will be about a post-Instrumenality world. why? Because of three major reasons: Anno's possible endings, Anno's approach to Shinji and Asuka and the thesis of Instrumentality.

1) Here's what i heard on this forum: Anno had either the choice to have Asuka with Shinji and hope for others to come back, or to have a severed hand with Shinji and no one else emerging from the sea of LCL. The latter would have completely altered the entire meaning of the series as we know it (to something much more fatalistic. It would not have been a prayer as much as a pessimistic mutter.) Anno deliberated until it was time to publish. He will have stuck with such a hard-picked choice and developed a sub-theory around it. He chose for humans to return, for the will to live to trimuph. Why? This might have a straightforward or implicit answer, but it will probably be evident.

2) There was a lot Anno could have developed in the final scene. instead, he chose to show Shinji and Asuka in a scene that directly mirrors what happened in Instrumentality. It seems like he's deliberately missing a swing at something. This story was not about Shinji and Asuka.

3) Which both lead to my third point. Anno obviously cared enoughg about Instrumentality to speand two whole episodes salvaging what he could of a lame budget to illustrate it with no conclusion in sight. Shinji and Asuka's scene is probably supposed to represent the effect of Instrumentality. (I think Shinji was shaky, but for the most part a healed and whole human being when he emerged from the LCL- he said somethign like "I'm uncertain, but that's how I know I'm me". That's self-worth for you.) But it does a job of this that could need some work, and it does not fit with the intricacies of the other characters... and it seems like there's something else that needs to be addressed. Here's what I predict will happen, based on these premises:

Instrumentality gave humankind a new dimension of understanding, along with their individual selves. This is what the prayer was for in the first place, a notion that fits well with how tricky it is to pin down the true personality of each caracter in the show. This is why Asuka strokes Shinji's cheek before addressing her individiual perspective- everyone was connected in a few moments of complete comprehension (essentially the Japanese concept of sex, interestingly enough). This will probably be the subject of the last movie: How people interact with this gift, and what it does.

Which raises the question: If this is right, are humans at their highest evolved form?

I really want to see what they do with that cross next.

[Reichu]

Reground #4 isn't a sequel. It's a new ending. Yay, a third one!

[Hekym]

If he didn't ignore the events of 25 &26, there's no way he'd skirt the events of something as good as EoE. Unless he manages a parallel story where Ritsuko manages to blow up the lab and stops Third Impact or something like that. Post-Third impact is the only direction I see it going. It's supposed to be new material, right?

Then again, it is Anno. Maybe we'll find out whether or not he wants fans to scream at him. ;)

[Dust2Dust AMEN]

damn, thats deep man, but infact that was my second guess, a direct sequel to EoE

[Defiled one]

Reground #4 isn't a sequel. It's a new ending. Yay, a third one!

Wait if this proves true..than Reichu might be right...consider this...we saw the events in shinji point of view...inside the sea of dirac...he decided....and he came...but we dont know what happened to Asuka..her bandages...the rusted cross....not to mention that when the third impat happened there were several cross shaped explosions along with that red liquid....We know that the red liquid was from humans, Lilim....but what about the cross shaped ones?..The only thing that I saw do that, was angels....so...is this some kind of sublimial message of angel XX?

and one more thing...Kaworu..Could be a female, why? well ever heard of The xx male syndrome?...Reichu is right. :P I give you a internet shelve to put your prized internets

[Reichu]

Ohtsuki made a statement about how Rebuild's ending wasn't going to be the "metafiction" of the TV finale or the 'end-of-the-world absurdity' of the movie, but more entertainment-aimed. Haven't done a really refined translation yet, but it's seems to be essentially that.

Kaworu..Could be a female, why? well ever heard of The xx male syndrome?...Reichu is right.
That came out of nowhere.

Of course I'm right. :P But one of the requirements for satisfying "fem-Kaworu" is not just female chromos, but female-type plumping, so XX Male Syndrome doesn't work. Kaworu's unusual pedigree (Adam + :cough: ) -- the hybridization probably producing infertility in the offspring -- would take account of the bizarre physique just fine.

<insert flaming>

[Hekym]

Wait. Weren't all the Angels female? So Kaowru's a female angel in a male body... cute. I think it's sweet that Lillith came to Shinji as Kaowru.

Gendo's dead, right? He looked a bit beheaded. Did he enter the sea of LCL?

[Defiled one]

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/6398/tabrisxxsu7.jpg

Even Gainax agrees with Reichu....During third impact..no one really knows what happned to Gendo...but the facts were that Shinji actualy was melted by Lilith..impersonating Kaworu..while the kaworu was with Yui judging Gendo..with diferent embodiements of Rei...And Something took a bit out of him...something that it looked like Unit one... cause the real unit one was outside the red moon being cruxificated....unless I am mixing things..

Nevertheless something or someone took a bit out of him... :P

[Reichu]

Wait. Weren't all the Angels female?
No information provided.

I think it's sweet that Lillith came to Shinji as Kaowru.
Lilith brought Adam (/Kaworu) to Shinji.

Gendo's dead, right? He looked a bit beheaded.
Missing his entire upper torso, actually.

Did he enter the sea of LCL?
"Did she take her husband into herself?!?"

Shinji actualy was melted by Lilith..impersonating Kaworu
Nope. After Giant Naked Kaworu does mysterious things, she's displaced to the "rear" and GNR reappears at the "front". Yui says, "This Rei is your heart. She embodies your very hopes and dreams." Rei says, "What do you wish for?" An image of Asuka's bosom appears on top of Shinji's blissed-out face, and he liquifies.

Ergo,

Shinji : Asuka

prognosticating

Hyuga : Misato
Fuyutsuki : Yui
Maya : Ritsuko

Even Gainax agrees with Reichu....
If they're to be taken seriously on account of merchandising, then we're to assume that Asuka and Rei also combat terrorists during their off hours.

[Defiled one]

^ Actualy that may be true also I have seen some statues about that...from Gainax...hell you never know if those girls are actualy just soul shards from another high powerfull being...Nahh

[CanonRAP]

...Rebuild's ending wasn't going to be the "metafiction" of the TV finale or the 'end-of-the-world absurdity' of the movie, but more entertainment-aimed.

"Big explosions, chicks with guns, and hardcore Eva-on-Eva action!

Neon Genesis Revangelion...the biggest action film of the year!"

[/stupid]

I can see it now...

[Ark]

So what are we thinking?

Some combination of Shinji/Asuka/Rei defeat whale heads, prevent instrumentality and get naked.

[Hekym]

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"Did she take her husband into herself?!?"



Wait, so Gendo went away with Yui? That would be cute.

[Reichu]

That's cuz Yui and Gendo are so cute! ^_^

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-26/26_C342_a_mid.jpg

[Hekym]

Of course! What a happy ending... Awwwwwww.

Hey, Reichu, look at the way the hair frames Yui's face and tell me it doesn't remind you of Naoko. See what I was talking about?

[thewayneiac]

Wait, so Gendo went away with Yui? That would be cute.

No, Yui's last words in EOE clearly and irrefutably state that she went alone.

[Vaikyuko]

*notes the bit about them being more entertainment-themed than "end of world" or metafiction*

Happy happy indeed. I like EoE a lot, but sometimes I'd like to watch something that DOESN'T mess with my head at all. :P

[NAveryW]

*notes the bit about them being more entertainment-themed than "end of world" or metafiction*

Happy happy indeed. I like EoE a lot, but sometimes I'd like to watch something that DOESN'T mess with my head at all. :P
Then get as far away from Evangelion as you can. :naughty:

EoE is the perfect ending in my opinion. Of course there are many disparate opinions, but if it must show Eva to the very end, I'm kind of hoping that it's the same ending but from the perspective of different people. I mean, everyone popped into LCL, not just NERV employees and SELEE, right?


Random Guy: Doodeedoodeedoo, I'm driving along in my car... AAHHH! WHERE DID ALL THESE NAKED BLUE-HAIRED GIRLS COME FROM?!!!?! I knew I should have quit sniffing turpentine! *POP!*


...Yeah.

[Reichu]

No, Yui's last words in EOE clearly and irrefutably state that she went alone.
Stock thewayneiac response. :P

[Defiled one]

That's cuz Yui and Gendo are so cute! ^_^

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-26/26_C342_a_mid.jpg


no ofense but when i see this is just see Gendo and femme Shinji :P

[DarthMigit]

no ofense but when i see this is just see Gendo and femme Shinji :P

Ahem...
http://home.comcast.net/~alexd01/Eva_Alternate_Universe.jpg

[Defiled one]

I see your femme Shinji...And I counter attack with a femme shinji plus!!! machomen Asuka :)

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6843/asukashinjirl6.jpg

[DarthMigit]

Damn...I fold. Curse you Defiled One!;)

[Mr. Tines]

It's a shame to waste a hand like this on bids like that :P

http://www.ravnaandtines.com/eva/transposed.gif

[Defiled one]

I fold....fullhouse, damm ;)

[DarthMigit]

Since when did this become an art/internet poker thread? Return to the point n....ow.

What's the bid that this new ending will resemble the ultra-confusing, low budget fiasco that was the last two episodes of the TV series? Anno himself was satisfied with those episodes as a conclusion to the series and was rather disgruntled when fan pressure forced him to produce End of Evangelion.

Perhaps this new ending will be mega-confusing and utterly inconclusive as a final blow of revenge against those fans (me non-withstanding) who ashewed the original episodes 25 and 26 as rubbish.

However, that would contradict Gainax's claim that Rebuilding Evangelion will abandon the old "tried and tested technique of hiding obscure meaning in the subtext" that we all know and love. :crybaby:

Hmmmm...I hesitate to guess at the nature of this new ending with so little evidence at hand. All I will say is that I am sure Mr Anno will suprise us all.

[Dr. Nick]

when fan pressure forced him to produce End of Evangelion

Haven't you read the thread (ATM) right below this one? (http://animenation.net/forums/showthread.php?t=196813) Tzk tzk.

[CanonRAP]

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Haven't seen that one in a while.

Since when did this become an art/internet poker thread? Return to the point n....ow.

Any thread formed in this subforum has an innate ability to morph into an image thread. Blame the overwhelming amount of NGE art out there.

Perhaps this new ending will be mega-confusing and utterly inconclusive as a final blow of revenge against those fans (me non-withstanding) who ashewed the original episodes 25 and 26 as rubbish.

Didn't EoE already do this??? (the confusing bit, not the revenge thing)

Hmmmm...I hesitate to guess at the nature of this new ending with so little evidence at hand. All I will say is that I am sure Mr Anno will suprise us all.

I sure hope so.

[DarthMigit]

Haven't you read the thread (ATM) right below this one? (http://animenation.net/forums/showthread.php?t=196813) Tzk tzk.

...Geez, I seriously need to look before I leap. I am sure I read somewhere that Anno considered the last episodes of the TV series to be a sufficient conclusion, which was actually the point I was trying to make. Anyhow, sorry for the gaping error.

Didn't EoE already do this??? (the confusing bit, not the revenge thing)

Well at least there was some level of conclusion there...kinda.