Homunculus Question

[HalfBreed]

I haven't seen this series in a while, so my memory isn't as good, so if someone can answer 2 question for me?


1. Greed was after Al's metal body so he can have one of his own. For him to do that he would have to attach his soul to a suit of armor. But Homunculus don't have souls, so how did he plan on obtain a metal body if he didn't have a soul?


2. Homunculus are weak when they are confronted with the remains of the person the Alchemist tried to bring back. Why did Pride, and Greed both hold on to their skulls? If its their weakness,why not get rid of it?

Like I said, Its been a while since I've seen the whole show, so I might have missed someting. It will be a while till i'll be able to re-watch the show, so any help would be appreciated.

[Roland]

1. No, he wasn't after Al's metal body, he was after the secret to his "immortality". So the soul issue is nonexistant.

2. Because destroying the skulls, as seen with Pride, could mean killing the Homunculus itself. Thus better to keep them around than lying somewhere where someone could use them against their ex-owner...

[EmberAlchemist0]

1.) Like said above Greed wanted the secret to immortality.

2.) Also as above. If their skulls were just left lying around someone could get a hold of them and use them against the homunculus. (Greed, Pride, etc.)

[sailornyanko]

I think in Greed's case of his skull, it wasn't his choice to keep it floating around. It was Dante who dug it out of somewhere to use it against him (rememer, Dante was the person that created Greed). Had Greed known the location of his body, he would of ordered his army of chimeras anytime to try to get it before Dante did. Then, Greed would of hidden his body somewhere and continued living as he wished.

Greed wanted to have a body that would never feel hunger or exhaustion of any kind so that he wouldn't require to spend money on maintaining it. Sadly for him, he didn't know he needed a soul to be able to live in an armor like Al.

[EmberAlchemist0]

Well I thought he had his skull or some part of his own remains. Greed had something locked up in a safe right? When Kimbley went against Greed he held a bag in his hand that he had taken out of a safe. Later on the bag collapsed if I remember correctly.

[Kagura]

I agree. It is better to hide and hold onto their remains so that no one could use them against them. I can't believe that Fuhrer Bradleys own son brought his skull to him when Roy and the Fuhrer were fighting though. But I'm glad he did. Fuhrer got his butt whooped!

[Aya Nakamura]

greed wanted to be rid of his homunculus body so he couldnt be sealed again which explains why he fought ed when he was so weak he'd rather die than be resealed

[Kagura]

If I was a homunculus I would definitely not want to be resealed either.

[EmberAlchemist0]

^Yeah I have to agree there. If I recall the quote made by Marta she said something to Ed about Greed wanting Ed to kill him. He couldn't handle being sealed again he wanted to die.

I have another question regarding homunculi. Now even with the FMA series I doubt anyone could know for sure a definate answer to this. So I'll just throw this up in the air anyways. Ok..now after the homunculi are killed like in Greed, Pride, Lust, etc etc cases do any of you think that it is possible that if someone had been stupid enough to perform human transmutation could bring back one of the homunculi again? I know this question is a little lame I'll admit it. I was just wondering about it. :)

[Kagura]

It could be possible if they were to manage to find any of the human remains that were used to cause the creation of the original homunculi. For instance, if someone could find one of Pride's bones or something. But if a different human transmutation was done with a different human body, a diffferent homunculus would be created.

[EmberAlchemist0]

^Ok that makes sense. I can see how a different homunculus would be made after...
Tucker tried to bring Nina back to life. She was then a homunculus. No soul.

[Kagura]

I think that he should have just let her rest in peace. After all, he did turn her into a Oh crap. I can't think of what thats called. I'm a dunce cap tonight! :lol:

[EmberAlchemist0]

A chimera? Yes that's the word.

[Kagura]

See! I am a retard! :lol: But, she was turned into that then Scar killed her or put her out of her misery. Why in the world would he even try to bring her back?

[HalfBreed]

^Yeah I have to agree there. If I recall the quote made by Marta she said something to Ed about Greed wanting Ed to kill him. He couldn't handle being sealed again he wanted to die.

I have another question regarding homunculi. Now even with the FMA series I doubt anyone could know for sure a definate answer to this. So I'll just throw this up in the air anyways. Ok..now after the homunculi are killed like in Greed, Pride, Lust, etc etc cases do any of you think that it is possible that if someone had been stupid enough to perform human transmutation could bring back one of the homunculi again? I know this question is a little lame I'll admit it. I was just wondering about it. :)


I don't know if the same homunculi could be brought back, but im sure a new one can be made to replace the old one. when Lust first meet Greed, she told hime she was the new Lust(at least in the dub she said that).

[Kagura]

As long as people do alchemy doing human transmutations, I think that new homunculi could have definitely be created. Maybe the same homunculi could be brought back but they would probably be different in many ways.

[sailornyanko]

I don't know if the same homunculi could be brought back, but im sure a new one can be made to replace the old one. when Lust first meet Greed, she told hime she was the new Lust(at least in the dub she said that).

Coming to think of it, the dub in spanish says the same thing. I always assumed it was a sort of translation error or something.

I think that if Scar lived long enough and Lust was killed before he, he could of created a homunculi like her. The issue is that each homunculi when created is given memories and feelings that the creators plants into them.

If Hohenheim had wanted to create a new Trisha homunculi, he might of created her with his own feelings of Trisha the lover and not Trisha the mother.

The new homunculi could look almost identical to the former homuncili, but their powers and personality might differ greatly.

[Kagura]

Coming to think of it, the dub in spanish says the same thing. I always assumed it was a sort of translation error or something.

I think that if Scar lived long enough and Lust was killed before he, he could of created a homunculi like her. The issue is that each homunculi when created is given memories and feelings that the creators plants into them.

If Hohenheim had wanted to create a new Trisha homunculi, he might of created her with his own feelings of Trisha the lover and not Trisha the mother.

The new homunculi could look almost identical to the former homuncili, but their powers and personality might differ greatly.


You ar probably right. The new homunculi would almost be identical but yet maybe have different powers, personalities, or even looks or deformities.

[Stafal-chan]

^_^ they also might have kept on to their skulls (well pride anyways) ^_^ to remind them of who they were suppose to have been ;) :)

[Kagura]

^_^ they also might have kept on to their skulls (well pride anyways) ^_^ to remind them of who they were suppose to have been ;) :)

You could be right. Maybe they might even have memories of who they used to be before they were made homunculi.

[EmberAlchemist0]

The new homunculi could look almost identical to the former homuncili, but their powers and personality might differ greatly.

That makes sense. I'm sure the homunculi could be created again and again unless they have been killed permantly. Their powers and personalities would definately be different cause the person they are meant to be when born are different than the last human transmutation. As for apperance I think they might look a little different. In the case of Scar and Hohenheim those created homunculi would probably appear the most identical to when Ed and Al made Sloth and when Scar's brother made Lust.

Man I hope that made some sense. :lol:

[Kagura]

It does. The homunculi will probably be different each and every time that a transmutation is performed. Like if Ed & Al would have kept trying to bring their mom back after each time she is just temporarily killed but can get brought by back human transmutation.

[Ariel Tsuki]

You could be right. Maybe they might even have memories of who they used to be before they were made homunculi.

They do. Remember Lust had some flashbacks as Scar's brother's fiancee? And I think Sloth said that she remembers when she was Ed and Al's mother. The bones may serve as their weakness and a reminder that they once were human also (since their greatest desire is to be human again).

And when they said that she was the latest Lust, I never thought she was the latest Lust from the same human remains. Besides Envy, Gluttony and Greed, I think there has been other homunculii from different humans. Dante might even created the original 7 and destroyed a few since, I assume, that only Dante and Hohenheim knew how to refine (aka give them the red stones) and destroy them. The current Lust was never once mentioned ever being destroyed in the 10+ years she's been a homunculus. I think it's assumed that her bones are destroyed or lost since what destroyed her was a lock of her hair when she was human that was in the locket that Scar kept around.

And for the Nina issue, she wasn't a homunculi, she was a chimera. Tucker created her body thru chimera alchemy instead of the door, that's why it's just a body and nothing more. I think Tucker wanted to use the same method Ed used on Al on Nina.

[Kagura]

They do. Remember Lust had some flashbacks as Scar's brother's fiancee? And I think Sloth said that she remembers when she was Ed and Al's mother. The bones may serve as their weakness and a reminder that they once were human also (since their greatest desire is to be human again).

And when they said that she was the latest Lust, I never thought she was the latest Lust from the same human remains. Besides Envy, Gluttony and Greed, I think there has been other homunculii from different humans. Dante might even created the original 7 and destroyed a few since, I assume, that only Dante and Hohenheim knew how to refine (aka give them the red stones) and destroy them. The current Lust was never once mentioned ever being destroyed in the 10+ years she's been a homunculus. I think it's assumed that her bones are destroyed or lost since what destroyed her was a lock of her hair when she was human that was in the locket that Scar kept around.

And for the Nina issue, she wasn't a homunculi, she was a chimera. Tucker created her body thru chimera alchemy instead of the door, that's why it's just a body and nothing more. I think Tucker wanted to use the same method Ed used on Al on Nina.

I think you might be right. I think that he wanted to attach Nina's soul to something. Whether it was a suit of armor or whatever, he wanted to do it. She was a chimera. Also, everything you said makes sense to me.

[Tidusauron12]

You could be right. Maybe they might even have memories of who they used to be before they were made homunculi.

They do. Lust has memories of who she was created from, and Sloth did to. Even Envy does (remember, he was able to transform to who he was created from too, so he must of had some memories of his past life.)

It's too bad about Greed though, he was the coolest humonculous.

[Kagura]

Didnt Wrath kind of remeber himself as a baby also?

[sailornyanko]

And for the Nina issue, she wasn't a homunculi, she was a chimera. Tucker created her body thru chimera alchemy instead of the door, that's why it's just a body and nothing more. I think Tucker wanted to use the same method Ed used on Al on Nina.

That makes sense. However, Tucker's great mistake (which in the end is all thanks to Scar) was that Nina had been dead too long before the new body was made. If Scar hadn't killed her and Tucker had been able to keep her hidden somewhere, he could of transferred Nina's soul to the new body. Edward's technique of using a specific circle to seal Al on his metal body would be of no use. The only reason why Ed could save Al was that his body has dissapeared for only a handful of minutes before he sealed his soul into the armor. Same reason why Al could revive Edward with the stone in the final episode since he suggests Ed's soul might still be near the gate and fully at reach.

The guy from the village Ed killed by accident used a circle that could of been useful to do Nina's soul leap though I doubt even if Edward remembered the circle, he wouldn't waste his time teaching it to a guy like Tucker. Maybe Hohenheim would be more willing to teach Tucker the circle...

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I finally watched one of the episodes of FMA I had been missing for some time (Ep 32 I think). Envy clearly present Greed to the "new" Lust and to Sloth. Greed wasn't too impressed with the new Lust but was interested a bit in Sloth (maybe it has been some time since there has been a Sloth). He was mightily interested in Wrath.

Maybe not all 7 homunculi were created (I doubt Dante would of wanted to screw up all of her 10 bodies just to create a full-fledged 7 homunculi army just to destroy them afterwards if they rebelled against her) which enhances the mood in that scene where Greed's very interested in the two youngest homunculi.

Greed was locked in the room for about 100 years so it's fully possible someone had created a Lust which was later on destroyed.

It's possible the bones of the woman the current Lust was created from is buried somewhere (she did die before the Ishbal war started), though Scar doesn't seem to be the type that would dig into someone's tomb to grab bones. Course, the series isn't specific about how the Ishbalites bury their dead. They might cremate their dead for all we know!

[Kagura]

A person does have to wonder how they buried their dead and stuff.

[NZ's FullMetal]

Was Greed's remains with kimbly or on the table while he was fighting Ed?
Did Greed also want to die or was he too weak? ( did the remains make him weaker or was it coz he was spewing up too many stones?)

[sailornyanko]

I kinda suspect from the dialogue that Kimblee knew where Greeds remains were and indirectly gave them to Dante. Perhaps in the raid of the Devil's bar the militia took told of the remains and gave them to Dante.

Either way they were strategically placed there so that Greed could get killed. I don't think Greed wanted to die at all, he wanted to live forever in a body like Al where he wouldn't have to spend money maintaining it (buying food, clothing, etc..). He was greedy afterall and wanted it all.

However, Dante made sure that he had only two choices: die or live in a locked up room where he'd have nothing. Greed knew tis and didn't want to be poor so he accepted his defeat.

All homunculi become paralyzed when they are at a certain distance of the remains of the person they were created from. They become weak (but don't lose their special abilities) when they spit out the red stones that make them immortal when they are inside a special circle made for homunculi in close contact with the remains.

Sloth spat out her stones and became mortal but she managed to escape the circle without getting killed (thanks to Al who threw the remains outside the warehouse). However, by getting close to Trisha's remains, Ed could still kill Sloth even though she wasn't inside of the cricle because she lost her stones.

What I'm wondering is what in the hell happened with Pride? He wasn't in a circle so the anime doesn't show how he spat his red stones, but Roy could still kill him by burning him alive when he was just a foot away from the skull. Anime error? Or maybe the theory that a homunculi can also die if all remains of the cadaver are destroyed has some foundation?

[Kagura]

YOu are right about that sailoryanko.

[Tidusauron12]

I kinda suspect from the dialogue that Kimblee knew where Greeds remains were and indirectly gave them to Dante. Perhaps in the raid of the Devil's bar the militia took told of the remains and gave them to Dante.



I thought that Kimblee took the remains that greed had himself so that Greed wouldn't be able to stop him from going back to the military (also to stop greed from fighting the military). I believe that Dante has parts of all the humonculous' original bodies because she created them. Also, the bag that kimblee took was too small to hold all the bones that were at Dante's mansion. SO I think that Greed robbed a part of his remains while running away from Lab 5, but couldn't manage to get all of his body (he was on the run.) Since he can't touch the remains himself, he used one of the chimeras to hold it. Dante, knowing the snake would return to the tail, took the remains he left behind and moved them to her mansion. Also, Kimblee couldn't have given Dante any remains. When he was with Archer, he had just stolen them; and in the car, when the bag collasped (signifying Greed's death) the way Archer was acting made it seem like he knew nothing about the Humonculous ( he doesn't). I don't think Kimblee ever contacted Dante.

[sailornyanko]

Well, obviously Kimblee wouldn't of been that honest with Dante had he known her and knew her plans. It's pretty obvious Archer knew nothing about the existance of homunculi (had he known, he probably would of wanted to create a whole army of them taking advantage of their special powers and immortality in battle).

The episodes surrounding Greed's death are all very fuzzy to me cuse I could never watch all of them straight in a row when the show is on tv so I'll take your word with more truth than mine.

Hrm.. the bag (probably containing the skull) dissapeared after Greed was destroyed? Does this mean you can't make two homunculi with the same remains because the originals are automatically destroyed with the homunculi?

Does this mean there will be no new Trisha homunculi? Hrm..

[Tidusauron12]

Hrm.. the bag (probably containing the skull) dissapeared after Greed was destroyed? Does this mean you can't make two homunculi with the same remains because the originals are automatically destroyed with the homunculi?

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Yep. After Ed killed Greed, it showed Kimblee in the car with Archer. Archer was holding the bag, and suddenly, it collasped. Archer reached inside the bag, saying "Something's happened." And pulled out small fragments of crushed bone dust. If it was a skull (as I presume as well) then it fell to pieces after Greeds death. Keep in mind that the pieces didn't vanish... so they could possibly be reused as means for creating a new humonculous.

[NZ's FullMetal]

Maybe it's because homuculus can be made by more than 1 human..hmm anyone kno how Greed was made?

[sailornyanko]

The anime doesn't explain how Greed, Pride and Gluttony were really created. We know for sure Dante created Pride because she was boasting with what a work of art he is because he can age like a regular human.

It's assumed Dante created Greed and that he's at least 100 years old. The anime says nothing about who the original human was (maybe a Militia guy or someone Dante was in love with?).

It's assumable Pride was created based on Bradley, a militia guy who was married and had a son. Probably killed in a battle or something and the records of his dead body were altered to make everyone think he stayed alive as Pride.

The anime says nothing about the origin of Gluttony at all. Suggestable that Dante created him though.

Maybe the manga has some more info?

[Kagura]

I am not sure how those 3 were actually created either. If I should ever come across info on this i'll post it here. Unless someone else does first.

[Bernard_Monsha]

The anime doesn't explain how Greed, Pride and Gluttony were really created. We know for sure Dante created Pride because she was boasting with what a work of art he is because he can age like a regular human.

It's assumed Dante created Greed and that he's at least 100 years old. The anime says nothing about who the original human was (maybe a Militia guy or someone Dante was in love with?).

It's assumable Pride was created based on Bradley, a militia guy who was married and had a son. Probably killed in a battle or something and the records of his dead body were altered to make everyone think he stayed alive as Pride.

The anime says nothing about the origin of Gluttony at all. Suggestable that Dante created him though.

Maybe the manga has some more info?


I think Pride kinda looked like the first person she attached Hoenhiem's soul to. Knowing what a freak she was she probably kept the skull after Hoenheim jumped ship again.

I kinda took it that Greed and Dante were lovers and she resurrected him when he died. He does not act like the other Homonculous do towards her. He has a sneering familiarity that seemd like a bickering couple to me.

[Kagura]

^You could be right.

[Tidusauron12]

It's assumable Pride was created based on Bradley, a militia guy who was married and had a son. Probably killed in a battle or something and the records of his dead body were altered to make everyone think he stayed alive as Pride.



Maybe the manga has some more info?


Technically the manga is alot different from the anime, but Pride was like in a military school or something when he was human in the manga. But they were trying to create the ultimate soldier. Pride was the only that survived... and there's a whole back story. I didn't read the entire chapter, so you'll have to check it out for yourself. (Sorry don't remember what chapter.)

[EmberAlchemist0]

I think Pride kinda looked like the first person she attached Hoenhiem's soul to.

That makes alot of sense. I agree with that.

As for Greed probably he was a former lover of Dante's that had died so of course she tried to bring him back.

Gluttony was created by Dante for the purpose to help with the making of the Philospher's Stone I believe since he was eating all those people.

[Kagura]

That is what I think why Gluttony was created for too. That is maybe why Dante wanted him to eat Alphonse after he was the Philosopher's Stone. That way, the homunculi Could use the stone for stuff.

[Animematt55]

I have a question about Envy...
i read somewhere that he isnt really a he, but doesnt have a gender. ANd that his 'true form' is a huge ugly....thing.

[Kali-chan]

I have a question about Envy...
i read somewhere that he isnt really a he, but doesnt have a gender. ANd that his 'true form' is a huge ugly....thing.

you're right... on both...
he doesn't remember his true form/doesn't want to remember

[Bernard_Monsha]

I have a question about Envy...
i read somewhere that he isnt really a he, but doesnt have a gender. ANd that his 'true form' is a huge ugly....thing.

In the Manga he is a big monster made by the three eyed old man who whines about how ugly he is. In the show he was created by Hoenhiem trying to bring back his first son, he chooses not to take that form because he hates his father that much.