Kurt Angle and Trish Stratus leave WWE

[tater salad]

Well for the WWE fans and me it is indeed a sad day. I just found out that this past Friday Kurt Angle was released from his contract with the WWE cause of personal issue...Kurt hope to see you in the ring again soon. And another star is also leaving. It appears the rumors for the past 2 months are true...trish Stratus will be leaving the WWE in late September, her last appearance will most likely be at Unforgiven so.....this day pretty much sucks for wrestling fans. :(

[predecessor]

haha. good for them. i still can't belive Jeff came back. wonder how much they offered him to get him to come back?

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Darn, I like Kurt, he was nuts

[The_KreatureV02]

Frankly it was better for Kurt to quit wrestling. His injuries were nagging to a point where was suspended for having an addiction to pain killers. I hope he'll stay out of action for at least 2 years to get his body back to 100%.

[Westlo]

Kurt's body is ****ed, I hope he takes a year off, Trish looks like another Jericho, they're happy with what they have done, are rich from it and still healthy.

[firstpressing]

Trish looks like another Jericho, they're happy with what they have done, are rich from it and still healthy.

And The Rock; all three pretty smart cats.

And with Benoit still hurt, it's official, I will go back to my wrestling hibernation period that I've been on anyways.

[KingNe!]

I won't be happy until Jazz returns! jazz!!!

[Sendo Takeshi]

Wrestling sucks even more now. Sabu vs. Paul Heyman? GTFO. ECW is no longer good ever since they brought it back. It should have remained PPV only.

Kurt Angle was the wrestling god JBL always kept mentioning.

[kenshinbebop]

I already knew this, so my sad day was on Friday when it was on WWE.com. :lol:
Rumors have been floating around about Trish and Lita both leaving. So far one's been proven, so who knows. After they're both gone it will be Mickie all the way. Cheers to that.

And Jeff Hardy is awesome! He came back with the same force he left with 3 years ago. His entrance is so awesome too. I might be going to meet him and Matt if I'm able to. They'll be at a mall about an hour from me.

My prediction:Triple threat for the Women's Title at Unforgiven, Trish, Lita, Mickie.

[sazae]

I hate seeing Kurt gone, looks like the days of good technical wrestling are getting farther behind us with Benoit out as well. At least we still have Regal and Finlay, and I am very impressed with Mr. Kennedy so far.

[predecessor]

Frankly it was better for Kurt to quit wrestling. His injuries were nagging to a point where was suspended for having an addiction to pain killers. I hope he'll stay out of action for at least 2 years to get his body back to 100%.
he'll never be 100% ever again. you never fully recover from injuries like his. you can get pretty healthy again but never 100%

[Animematt55]

the Hardy brothers were the only guys i liked. I jsut wish Matt was more daring and charismatic.

[Daishikaze]

Kurt didn't leave voluntarily, he was fired. He failed a drug test because he needs too many painkillers to get out of bed. He was offered a chance to take time off and rehabilitate himself, and he refused, so they fired him.

Kurt is great technical wrestler, but he is not a great worker. There are times where you can tell he's being carried by a better worker.

Good Riddance to Trish, she's never been a great wrestler or worker, She's never really improved beyond rookie level IMO. Lita is even worse, so she wouldn't be missed by me either.

[Animematt55]

Well the females never did really wrestle did they? They jsut did their cat fight things...
Thats why i liked Chyna...she actually wrestled.

[Daishikaze]

Chyna is a horrible wrestler, she couldn't even do a simple Vertical suplex properly.

What the Divas do is what the WWE calls wrestling. There hasn't been a good women's divison since 1995, and even then they wasted the fantastic workers they did have. Bull Nakano was their best Women's champion of all time, and she had the greatest Women's title match of all time against Kyoko Inoue, which you can find on Youtube

[Animematt55]

yes, Chyna wasnt a great wrestler...but she was the only one that actually did wrestle when i watched it....not much choice. All the others were just walkiing implants, that just scratch at each other.

[Daishikaze]

She wasn't anymore talented than the others, she just had bulging muscles and could actually pick the others up and throw them, Nicole Bass was the same.

The WWE used to have Bull Nakano, Aja Kong, Kyoko Inoue, Chaparita Asari, Tomoko Watanabe, Lioness Asuka, and Sakie Hasegawa. Those women could actually wrestle, and I mean more that just a clothesline and a Vertical suplex in between punches and kicks to the nether regions. None of them every got to show what they could do on TV, their few matches were always clipped to a couple of minutes or they had to do a 5 minute sprint before the boys had their next match. Bull Nakano is the only one that got a chance and and she had to dumb down her style to do it. She became champion though, and she gave that title a bit of prestige before she had to drop it back to Alundra Blayze (who is better than todays DIVAs, but she was still pretty sloppy).

EDIT:What the WWF/E Women's divisions could have been (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bbJTu1IYO4)

Its A WWE Women's title match that took place in 1995 between Champion Bull Nakano, and herprotegé Kyoko Inoue. It took Place in All Japan Women's Pro Wrestling, who had a working arrangement with the WWE at the time.

[kenshinbebop]

Thats where I disagree. Mickie James, IMO, is a fabulous wrestler. She's been practically carrying Lita throughout their recent bouts. Whatever happened to her once she hooked up with Edge is bad. She used to be very good.

And yet, Mickie is the leader of the womens division. She is great.

[Daishikaze]

Mickie has talent, but talent it useless in the Women's divison. She was a better worker before she got into the WWE.

Lita is just a ring rat who does a few highspots, the fact that she hurts herself and others performing them shows how awful she really is.

[kenshinbebop]

Mickie has talent, but talent it useless in the Women's divison. She was a better worker before she got into the WWE.

I guess that's true. I loved her ameteur years as Alexis Laree. She's truly talented.

And cheers to what you said about Lita.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

XD. Taking women wrestling seriously. Tits or GTFO.

[Daishikaze]

There is actually good women's wrestling that has nothing to do with T&A ya know. In Japan, the Female wrestlers put more effort into their work than the men do. In the 1980s and 1990s, the most lucretive wrestling company in Japan was All Japan Women's Pro Wrestling, they were so successful they sold out the Tokyo Egg Dome in 1994 with the 10 hour long wrestling extravaganza, The Big Egg Wrestling Universe.

I really wish people would take the WWE to be the end all be all of wrestling, especially since they are in the process of getting rid of anything that reminds them that the used to be a wrestling company. Right now they are banning the use of wrestling terminology on their TV programs, for crying out loud

[KT Kore]

Right now they are banning the use of wrestling terminology on their TV programs, for crying out loud

"Belt" and "strap" for example. I found it funny that JR said "belt" about 5 times on RAW last night. It's just a stupid idea to ban words like that and it shows the direction Vince wants the company to go -- a direction I'm not liking.

As for Kurt, I foresee him returning some day. He had a passion about wrestling that he didn't seem to be finished with. His body is screwed up and because of that he's mental state isn't in the best shape either. He was a hard worker and everyone within the company knew that he needed a rest. That 30 day suspension he had obviously wasn't enough. I believe once he heals up mentally and physically we could be seeing a return in the future. It seems WWE and people that know Kurt are very hopeful for a return. But for now, the man just needs a good looong break. And if he doesn't return then he will obviously go down as one of the best in the business. A hall of famer no doubt.

[Solid_Snake]

It's been a sad day for wrestling fans since the late 90's.

[Daishikaze]

Angle's body is never going to heal properly again, he's taken too many knocks and just keep working when he should have rested. I think pain is going to be his constant companion for the rest of his life. What Will happen maybe is that he won't end up Crippling or killing himself in the ring, however, he might just go to TNA or Japan when his 90 day no-compete clause is over. So who knows whats going to happen, he's determined to wrestle for til the end of his days.

[firstpressing]

Angle's body is never going to heal properly again, he's taken too many knocks and just keep working when he should have rested. I think pain is going to be his constant companion for the rest of his life. What Will happen maybe is that he won't end up Crippling or killing himself in the ring, however, he might just go to TNA or Japan when his 90 day no-compete clause is over. So who knows whats going to happen, he's determined to wrestle for til the end of his days.

Then he'll be on his way to the same position that Tommy Billington aka the Dynamite Kid is in. Wheelchair.

[Daishikaze]

Most likely, yeah

[Westlo]

Kurt Angle is determined to go down as one of the best ever, he should do a Shawn Michaels and take a few years off. Michaels isn't as good as his 95/6 form but he can still put on a good show when he wants/allowed. Hopefully this horrible version of DX ends quickly so he can go get surgery....

[Sendo Takeshi]

They're also releasing a lot of the ECW wrestlers from their contracts. I guess TNA is gonna get a lot better then.

At least Booker T is still champ. After a month and he still hasn't lost the title? Thats great news if anything. Either way, wrestling hasn't been good since Wrestlemania 21. 20 was a disaster but 21 made up for it. Hell, I don't even watch Smackdown anymore. Thats how bad it is nowadays.

[Daishikaze]

Wrestling is just dull now. No one is doing anything even slightly interesting. They all try to hide that under a glossy veneer, but you can see the business is not doing very well.

No one knows how to book, all we got are lousy sitcom writers and and mid-carders with big egos and little talent booking matches.

[kenshinbebop]

And yet I still find it entertaining. I must be crazy. :rolleyes:

[Daishikaze]

Well, you're young. You've only ever really known the WWE and their late competitors ECW and WCW. I remember the territorial days, when the business was much more vibrant. Everyone was doing something different, but they didn't over do things to the point where the work actually suffered like companies do nowadays.

The Titles were the big focal point of the company, now they are just props that take a back seat to whatever storyline the champion just happens to be involved with.

Foreign talent actually got used for more than cannon fodder for the big star, They actually got serious pushes and even title reigns.

Many Heels were so hated that they actually had fans trying to kill them. Imagine that, They were so good at getting into peoples' heads that someone would actually come up to them in a crowd and stab them, or throw acid at them, even take a shot at them with a gun. Who gets that kind of heat these days? no one. Why? because they don't know how.

Those are the elements they should have kept, instead they pissed it all away by telling everyone it was all fake. They broke Kayfabe, and flushed it down the toilet. They will never get that kind of crowd reaction again.

[kenshinbebop]

How early are we talking here? I've seen my fair share of matches dating back to the 80's and such. I've seen most of teh classics. I've seen many matches of all the hall of famers known today.

And IMO, Mickie puts on a great show or did anyhow, at being a heel. No one's tried to kill her, but she does a great act of being psycho. And Edge is also a very good heel. He's booed practically everywhere he goes. He is hated by practically everyone.

[Daishikaze]

I'm talking about before the very first Wrestlemania, when the WWF hadn't stepped out of its territory yet. With companies like Mid-South Championship Wrestling, Championship Wrestling from Florida, Georgia Championship Wrestling, World Class Championship Wrestling, WWA, AWA, and so on.

Footage from these companies is pretty rare these days. Back then I didn't realize their were different groups, I just thought Wrestling was wrestling, But looking back I realize I saw quite a few classics. Most Vividly was the Bruiser Brody/Abdullah the Butcher feud, that was pretty vicious. I remember seeing bits of the Von Erichs/Freebirds feud and quite a few other ones too.

Mickie isn't even in the same league as Dump Matsumoto, she was able to draw nuclear heat from the crowd, and she struck real fear into the hearts of the audience. Dump was limited worker, but she was smart enough to not try and over-reach herself. She would come in and just devastate her opponents with anything she could get her hands on, She had literally an army of lackeys that were always there to hold off anyone who tried to come in and help the unfortunate woman who crossed her path. She would get so worked up that she'd even beat up her own lackeys if they got in her way. Dump Matsumoto seemed to really have a screw loose. I think if Mickie watched some of Dump's footage she might be able to pull off an even better psycho heel.

Edge's heat comes from the fact that he and Lita were sleeping around behind Matt Hardy's back in real life. He's not really a great heel, people just hate him for what he did to his supposed best friend.

Jake Roberts was a hell of a heel, he knew exactly what to say or do to make people hate his guts. He once got stabbed by a little old woman in Texas. He was trying to get through a violent crowd and this old lady pretended to help him and she jabbed a knitting needle into him.

Terry Funk got Shot at once, I forget which territory (possibly Memphis), but he said something the locals didn't take kindly to and one of them took a shot at him.

Really there are tons of stories from back in those days, people used to really take things very seriously back then. Things calmed down alot when the WWF took over, mainly because they never really took things to that level, they played it fairly safe.

[kenshinbebop]

Yes, Jake the Snake was a great heel. I haven't seen Terry Funk in his heel days, only his short lived present day ECW career which was pretty weak.

[Daishikaze]

Oh Funk really got under peoples skin, especially in memphis. There use to be an old Memphis classic on Youtube, it was the famous Lawler/Funk Empty arena match, I don't know if its still there, but its worth tracking down