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Fobb
August 26th, 2006, 07:01 PM
I don't know if this will be deleted, but I'd like to share it, just in case.

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2006/5/29/195855/959'>Left Behind video game

Imagine: you are a foot soldier in a paramilitary group whose purpose is to remake America as a Christian theocracy, and establish its worldly vision of the dominion of Christ over all aspects of life. You are issued high-tech military weaponry, and instructed to engage the infidel on the streets of New York City. You are on a mission - both a religious mission and a military mission -- to convert or kill Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, gays, and anyone who advocates the separation of church and state - especially moderate, mainstream Christians. Your mission is "to conduct physical and spiritual warfare"; all who resist must be taken out with extreme prejudice. You have never felt so powerful, so driven by a purpose: you are 13 years old. You are playing a real-time strategy video game whose creators are linked to the empire of mega-church pastor Rick Warren, best selling author of The Purpose Driven Life.

The game, slated for release by October 2006 in advance of the Christmas shopping rush, has been previewed at video game exhibitions, and reviewed by major newspapers and magazines. But until now, no fan or critic has pointed out the controversial game's connection to Mr. Warren or his dominionist agenda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominionism'>Dominionism.. Learn about this movement

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b87/Pacman04/god_gameth.gif

the first link has more about Warren and his agenda...

This game immerses children in present-day New York City -- 500 square blocks, stretching from Wall Street to Chinatown, Greenwich Village, the United Nations headquarters, and Harlem. The game rewards children for how effectively they role play the killing of those who resist becoming a born again Christian. The game also offers players the opportunity to switch sides and fight for the army of the AntiChrist, releasing cloven-hoofed demons who feast on conservative Christians and their panicked proselytes (who taste a lot like Christian).


Is this paramilitary mission simulator for children anything other than prejudice and bigotry using religion as an organizing tool to get people in a violent frame of mind? The dialogue includes people saying, "Praise the Lord," as they blow infidels away.

The designers intend this game to become the first dominionist warrior game to break through in the popular culture due to its violent scenarios and realistic graphics, lighting, and sound effects. Its creators expect it to earn a rating of T for Teen. How violent is that? That's the rating shared by Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell - Chaos Theory, a top selling game in which high-tech gadgets and high-powered weapons - frag grenades, shotguns, assault rifles, and submachine guns -- are used to terminate enemies with extreme prejudice. [Nota bene: While some versions of Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory have been rated M for Mature, Amazon.com offers a version rated T for Teen, which invites players to "Go into battle with futuristic weapons and high-tech gadgets used by real-life spies," and "Strike without mercy." -- JH]

Could such a violent, dominionist Christian video game really break through to the popular culture? Well, it is based on a series of books that have already set sales records - the blockbuster Left Behind series of 14 novels by writer Jerry B. Jenkins and his visionary collaborator, retired Southern Baptist minister Tim LaHaye. "We hope teenagers like the game," Mr. LaHaye told the Los Angeles Times. "Our real goal is to have no one left behind."

As part of its marketing pitch, Left Behind Games hypes the realism with which it portrays the neighborhoods of New York City. There is, for the most part, a remarkable verisimilitude except for one detail - all of the ambulances have 911 painted on their roofs. In the reality-based world, most ambulances have a red cross on top. Yet the game designers make prominent use of these 911 ambulances to evoke the tragic events of September 11, 2001. The historical context of 911 is invoked as if to say, <b>We are living in the End Times, and Muslims are among the kinds of infidels whom you should fear, whom you should be prepared to kill for your cause.</b>

For game enthusiasts, there is also a multi-player mode, in which you can go online and battle to take territory from other players. If you happen to blow away a neutral party - and collateral damage is inevitable in the End of Days - then you will lose "Spirit Points". But you can power back up with merely a brief timeout for prayer, or by converting one of New York's terror-stricken citizens.

(Lol, so you can kill innocent people and just get you "spirit" back up with a couple seconds of prayer?)

Kinda reminds me of this...

Click on the Bible Blaster game! Convert the heathens! (http://www.thesimpsons.com/characters/home.htm)


Some more links to the Left Behind game:

The Purpose Driven Life Takers (Part 1) (http://www.talk2action.org/story/2006/5/29/195855/959)

Violent Video Marketed Through Mega-Churches (Part 2) (http://www.talk2action.org/story/2006/6/1/82458/92817)

Some pics...

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b87/Pacman04/left_behind_9c.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b87/Pacman04/left_behind_carnage.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b87/Pacman04/left-behind_personexplodes.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b87/Pacman04/left-behind_streetmelee.jpg

Another interesting note... The game has a special feature that allows the bodies of people that die to just stay there... No respawning... So that means that as you kill more Muslim, Jews, Hindus' etc you have the pleasure of wading through these thousands of people.




NICE OR WHAT?! GREAT WAY TO FIGHT TERRORISM!!!

ablo
August 26th, 2006, 07:03 PM
Wow, sounds disturbing., yet I can promise you that none of the parents/mom groups will complain about it, because it has "morals".

Fobb
August 26th, 2006, 07:04 PM
Wow, sounds disturbing., yet I can promise you that none of the parents/mom groups will complain about it, because it has "morals".
Tell me why I believe you...

master terrence
August 26th, 2006, 07:16 PM
I lol'd

this game is a failure.

Evil_Koala
August 26th, 2006, 07:20 PM
Am I a bad person for kind of deep down wanting to play this game? O_O

master terrence
August 26th, 2006, 07:25 PM
Am I a bad person for kind of deep down wanting to play this game? O_O


idk, am I a bad person for wanting to beat the crap out of you for wanting to play this game. O_O

Your a disgrace to all otakus, even though you always have been.

Fobb
August 26th, 2006, 07:26 PM
You can play the game Koala, but if the game comes out at all, it speaks for a whole bunch of people.

Evil_Koala
August 26th, 2006, 07:27 PM
You can play the game Koala, but if the game comes out at all, it speaks for a whole bunch of people.

I don't have anything against Muslims or Jews or anything...I just like the idea of playing a video game...with killing...and Jesus...That's like...my 2 favorite things...I guess I could buy a Crusades game!!! :O RETAKE THE HOLY LAND!!! XD

Even though this is...against what I believe in...I want to convert Catholics :(

Fobb
August 26th, 2006, 07:30 PM
Did you read it? It's not retake the Holy Land, it's convert everyone and kill whoever speaks freely.

master terrence
August 26th, 2006, 07:30 PM
I don't have anything against Muslims or Jews or anything...I just like the idea of playing a video game...with killing...and Jesus...That's like...my 2 favorite things...I guess I could buy a Crusades game!!! :O RETAKE THE HOLY LAND!!! XD

Even though this is...against what I believe in...I want to convert Catholics :(

take a world religions calss before you ever use the word "convert". ;)

I bet this game will be a best seller amongst KKK member.

Evil_Koala
August 26th, 2006, 07:34 PM
I know convert...I tried to convert Satu. But she wanted proof. :(

Did you read it? It's not retake the Holy Land, it's convert everyone and kill whoever speaks freely.

Yeah, I know. I was talking about the Crusades. XD

"retired Southern Baptist minister Tim LaHaye. "We hope teenagers like the game," Mr. LaHaye told the Los Angeles Times. "Our real goal is to have no one left behind."

Damnit! Why? Why, man? You're making us look bad. :(

Haro!
August 26th, 2006, 07:36 PM
Ha "kill Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, gays and anyone who advocates seperation of church and state" in New York no less... that just sounds funny to me. I guess it has to be how stereotypical that sounds.

master terrence
August 26th, 2006, 07:39 PM
Anyways, the game is doomed. America is dominated relativism, the game has no place in the industry and the KKK probably can't finacially support it either.

Fobb
August 26th, 2006, 07:40 PM
Damnit! Why? Why, man? You're making us look bad. :(
You don't have to worry, anyone with any sense knows that normal Christians don't advocate it.

Fobb
August 26th, 2006, 07:40 PM
Anyways, the game is doomed. America is dominated relativism, the game has no place in the industry and the KKK probably can't finacially support it either.
Hopefully. That's all I can say. I've heard crazy stuff on the news. I wouldn't be too surprised if this actually went through. :(

Evil_Koala
August 26th, 2006, 07:42 PM
You don't have to worry, anyone with any sense knows that normal Christians don't advocate it.

Yeah, I'm actually kind of offended by it...It's like...

Well, does it offend you when people say Islam is evil and whenever Muslims in the Middle East say stuff that make it seem like that? Because...I feel like that's happening right now, but with Christianity instead of Islam...:(

If it does succeed in becoming a game, don't worry, it won't last too long, they can do this...I mean, freedom of speech and all. I support that, no matter how offensive it may be...

master terrence
August 26th, 2006, 07:42 PM
DUH

Christianity is christianity, what isn't christianity... well, it isn't christianity. I find it very hard to confuse the two. Same goes to Islam, traditional Islam is progressive Islam, what isn't Islam... well it isn't Islam. From an Islamist POV the torrorists are like poison, who are they to dictate Allah's religion.

Bernard_Monsha
August 26th, 2006, 08:26 PM
Did you read it? It's not retake the Holy Land, it's convert everyone and kill whoever speaks freely.


Just like you want to do to the people who make this game. Are you through with your 2 minutes of hate for the day? Can we take down the picture of Emmanuel Goldstein or is that commiting thought crime to you? If you want to live in a pluralistic society then you have to tolerate pluralism, if not live somewere else.

Well, does it offend you when people say Islam is evil and whenever Muslims in the Middle East say stuff that make it seem like that? Because...I feel like that's happening right now, but with Christianity instead of Islam...

That is because there is no Christian "Bund" party. The Muslims have an effective one in CAIR.

lost7
August 26th, 2006, 08:29 PM
let me get this right, GTASA that is rated M got tons of parents mad because of a mission in the game. Yet this game is a taking a religion and turning it into a "save the world by killing the bad ppl" game. sounds like a great game to give the kids for xmas.

Leader Desslock
August 26th, 2006, 08:44 PM
My take:

There have been countless violent games where the player has been called upon to forward his group's ideology by killing those who don't agree with it. Allied soldiers kill Nazis. Special Forces soldiers kill Islamic terrorists. Black Ops guys kill North Koreans. British ship captains kill pirates. Soldiers on each sides of the American Civil War kill the folks on the other side. The Japanese air force shoots down American planes, while German U-boats sink British merchant vessels in the north Atlantic.

Now we've got a game in which Christian soldiers kill the non-believers. Is this really so surprising? Can anyone tell me why it's fine for political ideologues to kill in the name of Truth, Justice and The American Way, but not for theological ideologues to kill in the name of their faith? I mean, political ideologues are supposed to value life & free democratic expression as well, right?

I'm not shocked by this, and I'm not entirely sure why anyone else is. It was bound to happene eventually, I'd say.

Everyone knows that there are game designers in the middle east making anti-western mods of all the popular special ops games, right? That doesn't comes as a shock to anyone? No?

HSaabedra
August 26th, 2006, 08:55 PM
This game isn't close to dying. This game will be carried by every Christian bookstore in the nation, and truly evil people like Pat Robertson have sung the praises of the developers. I got a chance to play an early demo of the game and I have never felt so saddened by a game. Not because of the obvious, but because of the way religious zealots will use this to program youth into becoming bigoted people. Extremism exists in many forms, Christianity being no different from Islam in this case.

Fobb
August 26th, 2006, 09:00 PM
First of all, tell me why I knew Bernard would be first at my throat. Free speech? Why didn't you speak for free speech when there was an anti Christian cartoonist trying to get his work published in the SAME newspaper that published the Muhammad cartoons? Where was the free speech in that?

Second, Dess, it's not a matter of freespeech. It's a matter of contradiction. I've heard countless television Christians and politicians telling me that Islam preaches terror and to kill everyone apposing. And that terrorists are bad for wanting to spread there beliefs. They're the manifestation of EVIL. And yet, we have games like this, and they are PRAISED? Anything odd in that?


And don't think I just contradicted myself. I spoke on free speech with Bernard, and I spoke on morals with Dess.

soulreaper
August 26th, 2006, 09:54 PM
First of all, tell me why I knew Bernard would be first at my throat. Free speech? Why didn't you speak for free speech when there was an anti Christian cartoonist trying to get his work published in the SAME newspaper that published the Muhammad cartoons? Where was the free speech in that?

Wow, just wow. Have you ever turned on the TV? Christian ideals and symbols are mocked ALL THE TIME. Not that I have a problem with it, since I believe in free speech and all and it isn't affect my own faith, but Jesus is always being poked fun of. I don't know about this cartoonist you speak of, but there have been plenty of other places where Christians have been made fun of.

Second, Dess, it's not a matter of freespeech. It's a matter of contradiction. I've heard countless television Christians and politicians telling me that Islam preaches terror and to kill everyone apposing. And that terrorists are bad for wanting to spread there beliefs. They're the manifestation of EVIL. And yet, we have games like this, and they are PRAISED? Anything odd in that?

I agree that there have been times where Christianity has been used to wage wars and kill innocents for some crazy ideal or for less than Christian political reasons, but that was a long time ago. Terrorism is now. And this is only a game. Please don't compare a video game praised by crazies to something like real-life terrorism. The Church has probably learned its lesson from the Crusades and such. Terrorists are the threat of today, as well as one of the threats of the past. That's why we can call them evil.

As for the game, three words: freedom of speech.

I'll probably rent it anyway, since it looks...interesting...

Leader Desslock
August 26th, 2006, 10:09 PM
Second, Dess, it's not a matter of freespeech. It's a matter of contradiction. I've heard countless television Christians and politicians telling me that Islam preaches terror and to kill everyone apposing. And that terrorists are bad for wanting to spread there beliefs. They're the manifestation of EVIL. And yet, we have games like this, and they are PRAISED? Anything odd in that?
Islam teaches peace, yet fundamentalist muslims pervert the message for their own aims. Is that a contradiction? Yes.

Christianity teaches peace, yet fundamentalist christians pervert the message for their own aims. Is that a contradiction? Yes.

The US and western nations preach the importance of democracy, yet when anti-US governments are voted into power, we decry these regimes as being part of an Axis of Evil, or dictatorships. Is that a contradiction? Yes.

My point is that these contradictions aren't treated the same. When the Christian right seeks to ban violent games because "killing anyone - even the US' political enemies - is wrong", then everyone says, "Oh, it's just a game, and I can't believe these fundies try to hinder my free speech, oh, how terrible."

Now those same fundamentalists have come up with a game that simply follows the secular games' example: neutralize the enemy to win the game, dead or alive. The only difference is that now it's those mainstream SECULAR folks that are the 'target' in this game. they can either be converted or killed; either way, the object is to neutralize the enemy to win the game.

How can the secular crowd say "my worldview is worthy of free speech protection" while at the same time decrying the right of other worldviews to have THEIR free expression.

If "killing an ideological opponent to win a game" is wrong, then it's just as wrong for a Special Forces Operative to blow up a Terrorist-controlled village as it is for a fundamentalist 'preacher' to 'forcibly convert' a heathen on the streets of New York.

If you want to ban one, you have to ban the other. And if you don't want to ban either one, then what's the fuss about?

Bernard_Monsha
August 26th, 2006, 10:09 PM
This game isn't close to dying. This game will be carried by every Christian bookstore in the nation, and truly evil people like Pat Robertson have sung the praises of the developers. I got a chance to play an early demo of the game and I have never felt so saddened by a game. Not because of the obvious, but because of the way religious zealots will use this to program youth into becoming bigoted people. Extremism exists in many forms, Christianity being no different from Islam in this case


I doubt it will show up in many Christian bookstores as it is something that only the Jack Chick folks. Pat Ropbertson has no link to this either some of the Mother Jones crowd are trying to link Rick Warren to it because he has someone on his board who has an honorary title at the software company. Post like this are why SD & D died you load as many inflammatory digs in a non argument and fire it off hopeing something willl stick. There is a reason no major news source has covered this, because it is a bollocks story.



First of all, tell me why I knew Bernard would be first at my throat. Free speech? Why didn't you speak for free speech when there was an anti Christian cartoonist trying to get his work published in the SAME newspaper that published the Muhammad cartoons? Where was the free speech in that?

Please tell me what Christians rioted killing people and caused the cartoonist to go into hideing? Also do you mean this same paper that showed a cartoon of Jesus giveing head or a big picture and story on Piss Christ? What happend when they published that? They got some angry letters to the editors, not a million dollar bounty put on their heads from an Imam in a super mosque.

I would suggest you actually do research before you post things like this. Grabbing random things off a bloggers page ( I kinda picture him as scruffy with a thick beard and handing out poorly photocopied versions of the WWP newsletter on a street corner in San Fransisco) is no a good idea. I would suggest also you not post things like this again. I am alll for letting a SD & D subject slip in every once in a while so long as it is rational, well researched, and civil. You still need to practice the first too.