Bandai and 0079

[Dust2Dust AMEN]

do you think bandai namco will ever re-release the mobile suit gundam series? Evafan u know who this is. godzilla wtf

[evafan88]

Godzilla, man WTF!!!!!! well thats what happens when you buy bootlegs Ho!

anyways if Bandai does remake it, it better be the same animation we saw in the new footage of the first Gundam Evolve which was beutiful

[MagicianCamille]

do you think bandai namco will ever re-release the mobile suit gundam series?

Didn't Bandai just release MSG on R2 DVD though?

[Suiko Eiji]

Didn't Bandai just release MSG on R2 DVD though?

Pre-Reg started a couple of weeks ago, the actual sets don't come out until December of this year.

Search bars are your friend (http://www.animenation.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5642419#post5642419)

[Quiddity]

Here's hoping its released in the US someday. English fans really got the raw deal with it, with no japanese language track (the 'original tracks are destroyed' rumor proved as utter bull), the OP/ED removed after the first few discs, and an entire episode cut out. Releasing it uncut in the US with the jap track would be very nice. And its not like it'd be a huge undertaking, it is already translated and dubbed, so production wouldn't be all that much of a problem.

Will it happen though? Doubt it anytime soon :(

[Soluzar]

Here's hoping its released in the US someday. English fans really got the raw deal with it...
I can't agree. When you compare the treatment of this anime to that of other anime, a lot of which has been released dub-only, missing episodes, hacked to pieces, then I'd say Gundam got off fairly light. I'd very much like to see an uncut/subbed release of Gundam 0079, but I don't really feel that it got a "raw deal".

[Suiko Eiji]

I can't agree. When you compare the treatment of this anime to that of other anime, a lot of which has been released dub-only, missing episodes, hacked to pieces, then I'd say Gundam got off fairly light. I'd very much like to see an uncut/subbed release of Gundam 0079, but I don't really feel that it got a "raw deal".

Believe it or not, I think both you and Quiddity have valid points; I think it all comes down to timing. When MS Gundam TV was released on DVD in the US, it was already established that Dual Language and Uncut/Untouched was an industry standard, except for some companies, but Bandai/BEI didn't meet those qualifications. So, in a sense, compared to many of Bandai/BEI releases as well as other releases by their competitors, it seems like US fans did get a raw deal.

However, I agree with Soluzar that it could have been a much worse of a deal, especially if MSG TV were brought over much, much earlier. There could have been innumerous name changes, bad dubbing, poor translations and the list could go on. The fact of the matter is that none of the above happened.

I would call the original DVD release in the US a shoddy release and nothing more or less. It could have been handled much worse but instead we had a decent dub, accurate translations and no "Robotech-type" fiascos associated with it. Hopefully though, should the R2 tracks become available to BEI, then they will capitalize on it and release an R1 set for us folks in the States.

[Soluzar]

I would call the original DVD release in the US a shoddy release and nothing more or less. It could have been handled much worse but instead we had a decent dub, accurate translations and no "Robotech-type" fiascos associated with it. Hopefully though, should the R2 tracks become available to BEI, then they will capitalize on it and release an R1 set for us folks in the States.
I remain convinced that it's one of the best dubs ever produced for anime, which is part of what makes me charitably inclined towards Bandai. I've seen a substantial portion of the anime with the original Japanese language track, as well, so I have the basis to judge it as an interpretation of the original. It's hard to ignore your excellent point about the by then established industry standard, though. Even though 4Kids remain dedicated to bringing us dub-only anime, they do represent a deviation from the standard, since their releases are in the extreme minority among American anime DVDs.

You're right when you say that it is precisely Robotech that I was thinking of, although I might just have easily pointed to Starvengers, Tranzor Z, Battle of the Planets, or any one of a dozen others. Arguably, all three of those got a far worse deal than even the component parts of Robotech, and only one of them has seen an uncut R1 release.

[Quiddity]

I can't agree. When you compare the treatment of this anime to that of other anime, a lot of which has been released dub-only, missing episodes, hacked to pieces, then I'd say Gundam got off fairly light. I'd very much like to see an uncut/subbed release of Gundam 0079, but I don't really feel that it got a "raw deal".

Suiko explained it well. Certainly compared to Macross(Robotech), DBZ, etc... Gundam did very well. But compared to the way stuff has been released in the US on DVD since around 1999/2000, it certainly was a 'raw deal'. Dub only, missing an episode, the OP/ED cut out after the first few discs, thats a lot to swallow these days. I can't agree more that the dub was amazing (Zeta & CCA were great too, infact I'd say pretty much every Gundam dub has been very good to great)

[Suiko Eiji]

You're right when you say that it is precisely Robotech that I was thinking of, although I might just have easily pointed to Starvengers, Tranzor Z, Battle of the Planets, or any one of a dozen others. Arguably, all three of those got a far worse deal than even the component parts of Robotech, and only one of them has seen an uncut R1 release.

I kinda figured as such. The Robotech/Macross Debate that was had a couple of days ago here (http://www.animenation.net/forums/showthread.php?t=194840&highlight=Robotech)
was still fresh on my mind and I remember there were rumors (or, rather, I've not seen them confirmed) that Macek wanted to pull MSG animation into the Robotech storyline. You're right also that I could have chosen any number of dubs from the mid-1990s back to the late 1960s, but I figured more people would recognize what was "wrong" with Robotech versus Captain Harlock and the Queen of a Thousand Years.

[Sendo Takeshi]

anyways if Bandai does remake it, it better be the same animation we saw in the new footage of the first Gundam Evolve which was beutiful



At least the tears are real. Plus, MSG looks good just the way it is.

[Suiko Eiji]

At least the tears are real. Plus, MSG looks good just the way it is.

The idea that any old Gundam needs new animation can go to hell, as far as I'm concerned.

[Soluzar]

I kinda figured as such. The Robotech/Macross Debate that was had a couple of days ago here (http://www.animenation.net/forums/showthread.php?t=194840&highlight=Robotech)
was still fresh on my mind and I remember there were rumors (or, rather, I've not seen them confirmed) that Macek wanted to pull MSG animation into the Robotech storyline.
It's vaguely chilling to imagine that all mecha anime of any repute whatsoever might have eventually ended up as fodder for the ever-growing Robotech franchise. I'm pretty sure that could have happened, if the Japanese studios had been inclined to consent to it.

You're right also that I could have chosen any number of dubs from the mid-1990s back to the late 1960s, but I figured more people would recognize what was "wrong" with Robotech versus Captain Harlock and the Queen of a Thousand Years.
In that you are quite correct. It is merely a sobering thought to note that Robotech was not the most unfaithful of adaptations.

Suiko explained it well. Certainly compared to Macross(Robotech), DBZ, etc... Gundam did very well.
But compared to the way stuff has been released in the US on DVD since around 1999/2000, it certainly was a 'raw deal'. Dub only, missing an episode, the OP/ED cut out after the first few discs, thats a lot to swallow these days.
Gundam did indeed do well when compared with DBZ, as well as when compared to Robotech, as Suiko and I have previously discussed. However, I might point out that such things are still happening,even in "these days". You'd probably say that you're no fan of One Piece, or of Yu-Gi-Oh!, or Pretty Cure, and in answer to that, I can only quote Martin Niemoller:
First, the Nazis came for the communists, I said nothing, because I was not a communist.
Then they locked up the Social Democrats, I said nothing, because I was not a Social Democrat.
Then they came for the trade unionists, I said nothing, because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I said nothing, because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me.
If you, or other fans are willing to accept the bastardisation of other anime which you have no interest in, then you have effectively accepted the bastardisation of your own beloved favourites. Mr Niemoller's famous statement is not directly applicable to anime fandom, but it does carry a stark warning for all those who would say "I'm alright, Jack."

Yes. This is intended as something of a call-to-arms, in the most broad and metaphorical sense. The power to affect commercial decisions is in our hands. If you feel that the Mobile Suit Gundam 0079 release is poor, there is only one way to send that message - don't buy it! Punish them for a poor DVD release, by refusing to give them the only thing they want - your money.

I can't agree more that the dub was amazing (Zeta & CCA were great too, infact I'd say pretty much every Gundam dub has been very good to great)
The Zeta dub I felt was a mixture of the excellent and the tragically poor. Fortunately the voices which I would class as tragically poor were in the minority. Sadly, they were some of my favourite characters. Overall, I'd agree entirely. A genuinely poor Gundam dub is not something that I've yet heard.

[MagicianCamille]

I can't agree more that the dub was amazing (Zeta & CCA were great too, infact I'd say pretty much every Gundam dub has been very good to great)

I thought Zeta's was terrible. :uhh: Then again, anything less than perfect would have been unacceptable to me anyways. This IS Zeta, afterall.

The idea that any old Gundam needs new animation can go to hell, as far as I'm concerned.

YES! I'd love to sig this, but Billy Joel, Foreigner, and Freddie Mercury are better. :(

[Suiko Eiji]

I thought Zeta's was terrible. :uhh: Then again, anything less than perfect would have been unacceptable to me anyways. This IS Zeta, afterall.

I'm more in Soluzar's camp; it had good points and bad points. It's not the best Gundam dub I've heard but it's probably not the worst I've heard, Gundam or otherwise.

YES! I'd love to sig this, but Billy Joel, Foreigner, and Freddie Mercury are better. :(

All the more reason to quote me instead: Freddie Mercury's dead.

[MagicianCamille]

It's not the best Gundam dub I've heard but it's probably not the worst I've heard, Gundam or otherwise.

I take it you've heard the MSG movie dub then. Aside from that, yeah, Zeta is the worst I've heard.


All the more reason to quote me instead: Freddie Mercury's dead.

Char would probably push to make a statement such as this a bannable offense. *PMs Char*

[Suiko Eiji]

I take it you've heard the MSG movie dub then. Aside from that, yeah, Zeta is the worst I've heard.

Bits and pieces, all here and there. I have subbed versions on VHS and DVD. There's probably a Gundam dub, aside from the movies, that is worse than Zeta, but I cannot think of it right now.

Char would probably push to make a statement such as this a bannable offense. *PMs Char*

Some parting words then: If the women don't find you handsome, they should find you handy. Keep your stick on the ice!

[MagicianCamille]

There's probably a Gundam dub, aside from the movies, that is worse than Zeta, but I cannot think of it right now.

Me neither. Though I havn't heard F91's yet.

Some parting words then: If the women don't find you handsome, they should find you handy. Keep your stick on the ice!

:lol: Nice. But the women DO find me handsome though so...GG@Camille.

[Suiko Eiji]

Me neither. Though I havn't heard F91's yet.

To be honest, I'm drawing a complete blank on F-91's dub. I could have sworn I sat down to watch it at least once... but I can't think of it. I should probably watch that tonight after Suzuoki Fest.

[Quiddity]

If you, or other fans are willing to accept the bastardisation of other anime which you have no interest in, then you have effectively accepted the bastardisation of your own beloved favourites. Mr Niemoller's famous statement is not directly applicable to anime fandom, but it does carry a stark warning for all those who would say "I'm alright, Jack.

I never said anything to give the impression that I'm willing to accept the bastardisation of other anime; in fact my opinion is the opposite and I feel that is the impression I gave in my posts!


Yes. This is intended as something of a call-to-arms, in the most broad and metaphorical sense. The power to affect commercial decisions is in our hands. If you feel that the Mobile Suit Gundam 0079 release is poor, there is only one way to send that message - don't buy it! Punish them for a poor DVD release, by refusing to give them the only thing they want - your money.

Which I did, for the most part. I only bought one of the 0079 DVD releases - the last disc, since that was the only way I was gonna get to see those final episodes. Never bought any of the other 9 discs. To this day have still never seen the 'Char & Sayla' episode which was skipped on the CN run. And I boycotted Gundam Seed & Wolfs Rain too, not as punishment to Bandai for those releases being poor, but the poor release of Zeta Gundam. To say I'm 'boycotting' Destiny wouldn't be exactly accurate... as unlike those other 2 its not a show I want to see in the first place :P You don't have to preach to me, I know how it works and boycott anime releases when certain companies give me reason to (for example, to this day have never bought anything from Manga outside of the Eva movies, since they botched them so bad).

[Soluzar]

I never said anything to give the impression that I'm willing to accept the bastardisation of other anime; in fact my opinion is the opposite and I feel that is the impression I gave in my posts!
I have to admit that I took the opportunity to editorialise based on your post. It's not that I think you need the sermon, but anime fans as a whole could use it. They complain and complain, but they still buy the damn DVDs.

Sorry, it wasn't personally directed at you. It was directed at every fan who fails to realise that the only power in a consumer-driven business is in their wallet. It's a favourite subject of mine. We are the ones with the money, and we have the power to effect meaningful change in the industry, but instead many fans continue to buy releases that they find to be inferior.

I admit that there is no chance whatsoever that 4kids will change their business model, but other anime distributors have been pressured to change their policies by consumer power. FUNimation were once another 4Kids, distributing DBZ in a fashion which was not at all acceptable, but they've changed for the better.

So I apologize for using you as the target for this particular rant, but it seemed from your previous comments as though:

A) You'd bought Mobile Suit Gundam 0079 on DVD, and

B) Were unaware (somehow) that there are still anime getting released in a form which is entirely unacceptable.

With regards to point "B" above, I'd like to point out the following:
Suiko explained it well. Certainly compared to Macross(Robotech), DBZ, etc... Gundam did very well.
But compared to the way stuff has been released in the US on DVD since around 1999/2000, it certainly was a 'raw deal'.
I still don't understand how you can say that, when there are anime right now which are getting a much more 'raw deal' than Gundam. It's mystifying to me. They might be in the minority, but they are equally importan to their own fans.

[Westlo]

Wasn't the missing episode omitted at Tomino's request?

[Soluzar]

Wasn't the missing episode omitted at Tomino's request?
I believe that to be true, yes. Having seen it, I'm not at all sure why. The animation is a a little odd, but it has a great story.

[MagicianCamille]

I believe that to be true, yes. Having seen it, I'm not at all sure why. The animation is a a little odd, but it has a great story.

The animation is far worse than "a little odd". It was a nice story though.

[Levon]

Me neither. Though I havn't heard F91's yet.


F91 is one of the best Gundam dubs.

This is how I'd rank the dubs from good to bad:

Gundam 0080
Gundam F91
Gundam 0083
Mobile Suit Gundam TV & Char's Counterattack
Gundam the 08th MS Team
Gundam Wing
Zeta Gundam
G Gundam
Gundam SEED
Mobile Suit Gundam movie trilogy (the worse!!!!)

Something like that. Really the only dubs I hate are Gundam SEED & the MSG movie trilogy dub. I like the rest, especially the first two.

[Solid-Snake]

"Godzilla Man, wtf?"?!

WTF?

[Levon]

Yeah, I have no idea what there talking about-_-; But I love Godzilla:cheers:

[Suiko Eiji]

Yeah, I have no idea what there talking about-_-; But I love Godzilla:cheers:

Who doesn't love old gorilla-whale?

[Magami No ER]

With a roar as lovely as a screeching violin....because it is.

< Um...topic...uh, I dunno. I'm personally more concerned about finishing other UC Gundam R1 releases, though their release date here(hopefully) will affect me later in the future. >

[MagicianCamille]

With a roar as lovely as a screeching violin....because it is.

Psssh, women.


Zeta Gundam
G Gundam

You're crazy. I actually don't mind watching G Gundam dubbed sometimes, but Zeta I can't get through 5 minutes of the dub.

[Deacon Blues]

Well, the episode being omitted at the "request" of Tomino goes hand in hand with the line of BS about the audio tracks. However, I'd be willing to say that he did say 'ax this episode' because it was a pretty crappy episode in terms of animation blunders. The chances of this getting a dual audio release here in America are rather slim given the current situation of Gundam. A super dated show doesn't exactly scream out to fans. Then need super clean animation with pretty boys screaming at each other a la SEED/DESTINY for them to be interested. It's a shame they have to sacrifice looks over a great plot. MSG > SEED/DESTINY any day.

[Levon]

I like the Zeta Gundam dub, it improves. The worse dubbed episode is the first episode. Its far from perfect but it has a certain charm to it that fits the age of the show, especially the voices of Sirocco & Haman. Sirocco is the best dubbed voice in the show.

The G Gundam dubs main flaw is the dumb as hell edits, and I'm not just talking about the name changes. But I liked most of the voices.

[Soluzar]

Sirocco is the best dubbed voice in the show.
This man knows what he's talking about.

[Westlo]

Tomino did request for the episode to be omitted becasue hew as embrassed of the animation.

Also the reason Gundam is being treated like crap in America is the horrible ratings MSG got (if CN/Bandai expected Wing ratings than... yeah wake up call helloooo). Even SEED is nowhere near as popular as Wing was.

WTB Turn A Gundam DVD Release.

[Levon]

MSG was old animation & it just diddn't appeal to kids like Wing with all its brainless action did.

For SEED, well none of Toonami seems to be doing good ever since they moved to just every Saturday. SEED aired at around 10:00 PM then moved to around Sunday 1:00 AM. SEED is also a mix of action & drama, and it some episode could feel boring & drag on too much. A few episodes with hardly any action at all. Even I found SEED to be boring & slow at times.

CN did everything right with Wing. Its the perfect Toonami show....

[Deacon Blues]

Also the reason Gundam is being treated like crap in America is the horrible ratings MSG got (if CN/Bandai expected Wing ratings than... yeah wake up call helloooo). Even SEED is nowhere near as popular as Wing was.


You can't go pulling a show that aired during 2001 and say that is the show that caused all the others to tank. I believe that it was doing rather well on Cartoon Network in the timeslot they gave it, but ultimately thanks to the idiocy surrounding 9/11, they yanked it off the airwaves. SEED could have done substantially better had it of been given a better spot to air instead of being jumped around. However, as reports have indicated from publishers and what not, even the Gundam manga is slipping as well.

[Suiko Eiji]

^ I don't think Van is saying about that at all; what Van is saying that, in fact, no other Gundam series has performed as well as Gundam Wing did back in 1999-2000. One might blame what ever programming/current event chnages, or what-have you but I am thouroughly convinced that the audience that bought up Gundam Wing wouldn't have been as impressed with MSG simply because of aesthetics.

And, someone correct me if I'm wrong, didn't SEED get moved aroung because of bad ratings?

The notion that SEED could have "saved" the Gundam franchise in the US is rather a stretch, too. Wing, despite its plot holes and bad characterization, did maintain a fairly engaging story, with great music and great aesthetics. Even if you weren't around the entire story, one could be entertained for the half-hour or so. Gundam SEED only met up with Wing on the topic of music; while the OP/EDs had always been enjoyable to listen to, the rest of the score came in too little, too late as it really didn't get good until the end. Outside of that, the touched up "bright and shiny" animation, the opposite of MSG, ended up being hollow in the Japanese version and even more so with an English track over top of it. The writing, both dialogue and over all story were lack-luster, practically copying MSG in the beginning and made the story un-exciting. I'll admit, after the first couple of episodes, aside from the occasional episode, the story for MSG also really doesn't interest me until they get back into space. Gundam SEED was much the same for me. I've heard some people who've said that the mass usage of fansubs while Gundam SEED was airing in Japan lead to low ratings - I find this to be a half-truth; while fansubs didn't explicitly kill ratings, it let a lot of people know that the show really may not be worth my time a second time around.

I understand Bandai's logic that if people thought MSG looked as dated as Scooby Doo, then they should use newer stuff the try to entice people to come into the franchise. Unfortunately, most every series suffers from either story or animation "flaws". The three OAV series that also aired on CN, how were their ratings, comparitively? I know that I was up watching 0080 and 08th MS every night and if I were around a TV, I would catch 0083 on Saturday but how many others did that?

Maybe, Gundam isn't what Bandai/Sunrise/BEI all thought it would be - a universal success. Maybe it is intended for a hardcore niche, depsite every new rendition showed on TV in Japan gets decent to fantastic ratings. Really, I can't care any more if Gundam performs well on TV in the US; just as long as the DVD sales and support are there for the franchise to continue being released in the US, then I'm happy as far as exposure goes.

[Quiddity]

Also the reason Gundam is being treated like crap in America is the horrible ratings MSG got (if CN/Bandai expected Wing ratings than... yeah wake up call helloooo). Even SEED is nowhere near as popular as Wing was.


Gundam is being treated like crap in America because CN killed the golden goose. Gundam Wing was a huge success airing around 3-4 PM 5 days a week. G Gundam was a success, albeit not as much as Wing, but was still pretty successful with the same airing formula. Gundam Seed got dumped late on Saturday nights, only once a week. I wonder why people were ever surprised in the first place that it bombed. Seed very well could have reached Wing esque levels of popularity, but CN treated it like garbage from the get go and ruined it for both themselves and Bandai. Seed isn't anywhere as good as Wing, but I do think with the animation/music style and the young looking characters it could have appealed to a fairly good size audience. And since Seed is such a slow paced show (even slower paced than MS Gundam IMHO), airing it only once a week killed it right from the get go. It was 3-4 months before anything happened plot-wise.

The 'MS Gundam did bad back in 2001' reason doesn't cut it, for G Gundam got treated very well and was fairly popular the next year.

And of course from a model/toy standpoint, Bandai killed themselves by flooding the market with crappy G Gundam figures...

[Wraith Gundam]

I know this has been discussed before, but what was the name of the missing episode of MSG? I thought it was 'something or others island' but I can't remember. :doh:

[Soluzar]

I know this has been discussed before, but what was the name of the missing episode of MSG? I thought it was 'something or others island' but I can't remember. :doh:
"Kukurus Doan's Island".

EDIT: Do I need to find your signature offensive? :P

[Wraith Gundam]

I thought that was the one. It always seemed a shame to remove the episode but then seemed even stranger to include the guy from the episode in Federation vs Zeon.

And no my sig isn't supposed to be offensive.

[Soluzar]

I thought that was the one. It always seemed a shame to remove the episode but then seemed even stranger to include the guy from the episode in Federation vs Zeon.
I didn't notice that... yeah that does seem kind of strange. I've seen the episode, and while the animation is funky, the story is good. I can assure you that it doesn't contribute to the overall plot that much, though. You're not losing out on anything but a good standalone story.

And no my sig isn't supposed to be offensive.
Just joking with ya. Look at my own sig... ^_^

[HitokiriShadow]

Off Topic: Why on earth does Soluzar have "Futanari" as his user title? o_0

[Levon]

Off Topic: Why on earth does Soluzar have "Futanari" as his user title? o_0

Good question, I'm confused:lol: Maybe he meant Furinkan, which is what the high school is named in Ranma.

[HitokiriShadow]

Yeah, but I would think Soluzar would be familiar enough not to make that mistake.

Nothing wrong (IMO) with futanari, but its a rather odd user title.

[Smith]

Wiki on Futanari (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futanari)
I'll say I raised a eyebrow when I read the Wiki page, but to each his own. Soluzar may have a different intention with his user title than what is implied in the Wiki page, though.

I'd also like to remind everyone not to sway too far off topic too while I'm at it.

[Deacon Blues]

Gundam is being treated like crap in America because CN killed the golden goose. Gundam Wing was a huge success airing around 3-4 PM 5 days a week. G Gundam was a success, albeit not as much as Wing, but was still pretty successful with the same airing formula. Gundam Seed got dumped late on Saturday nights, only once a week. I wonder why people were ever surprised in the first place that it bombed. Seed very well could have reached Wing esque levels of popularity, but CN treated it like garbage from the get go and ruined it for both themselves and Bandai. Seed isn't anywhere as good as Wing, but I do think with the animation/music style and the young looking characters it could have appealed to a fairly good size audience. And since Seed is such a slow paced show (even slower paced than MS Gundam IMHO), airing it only once a week killed it right from the get go. It was 3-4 months before anything happened plot-wise.

While that is true, the standpoint that someone had stated was that if it had aired any earlier than 10:30, it would have been butchered even more in terms of editing... so it got the kick in the teeth either way. I agree that SEED could have achieved cult-like standings like Wing did since it did borrow quite a bit from it's predecessor, but in terms of what happened when, an earlier showing may not have been better.

It's sad that much of the anime on CN is being aired later on or on Adult Swim in an attempt to edit as little as possible from it... meah.

If Bandai wants Gundam to succeed here in America, they need Sunrise to make a show specifically for America with content that can air at the 5pm time slot. But, that'll never happen.

[Soluzar]

Yeah, but I would think Soluzar would be familiar enough not to make that mistake.
Mochiron. Boku wa futanari desu. Douzen "Soluzar Nibbun no Ichi", deshou ka?

It's an in-joke from the IRC channel. I've been wondering when people would ask. It doesn't make much sense out of contexwt, but you know me and my quirky sense of humour. :naughty:

I'd be glad to explain it to the curious, but don't expect it to make a lot of sense. ;)

While that is true, the standpoint that someone had stated was that if it had aired any earlier than 10:30, it would have been butchered even more in terms of editing... so it got the kick in the teeth either way. I agree that SEED could have achieved cult-like standings like Wing did since it did borrow quite a bit from it's predecessor, but in terms of what happened when, an earlier showing may not have been better.

It's sad that much of the anime on CN is being aired later on or on Adult Swim in an attempt to edit as little as possible from it... meah.

If Bandai wants Gundam to succeed here in America, they need Sunrise to make a show specifically for America with content that can air at the 5pm time slot. But, that'll never happen.
Is Gundam really so bad, by the standards of daytime television in the states? Is it so much worse in terms of content than the domestic programming that is shown in the "golden hours"?

[HitokiriShadow]

Gundam is at least 10x better than most of the tripe that is shown on television (especially "reality" TV shows, oh the horror) but people tend to look down at cartoons as being childish, so I think a majority of the population would ignore it simply because it is animated.

As for content... not really. Outside of cable channels, I don't think any shows actually show people dying, they either cut out before the person actually dies or show the body later. Some scenes are pretty graphic for American television though.

[Wraith Gundam]

At least you guys get some decent anime shown on TV, all we get in the UK in terms of anime are Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist and Mezzo DSA. We used to get some decent stuff (albiet repeats), like Gundam Wing, Outlaw Star, Evangelion, Zoids, Bubblegum Crisis, Gasaraki, Dragonball Z, Dragonball GT, etc...

Now all the Toonami channel shows is enless repeats of Pokemon, and other complete crap like Teen Titans and Samurai Jack over and over again; it drives you to insanity. We didn't even get a shot at SEED, MSG, or G Gundam!! :$%&#!:

[Levon]

Hey which Zoids did they air in the UK?

[Soluzar]

Hey which Zoids did they air in the UK?
I'm pretty certain that the one I saw was Chaotic Century. I didn't catch all of it, but I saw a good number of episodes, and I enjoyed it.

[Levon]

I sure hope it was Chaotic Century you saw & not New Century(the tournament one):P

[Soluzar]

I sure hope it was Chaotic Century you saw & not New Century(the tournament one):P
Looking at Wikipedia, I'm almost convinced it was CC.

[Levon]

"almost"?-_-;

Both of these are Chaotic Century:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoids:_Chaotic_Century
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoids:_Guardian_Force

Guardian Force is what people call the second season of Chaotic Century but altogether its Chaotic Century.

[Soluzar]

It would have been the first season that I saw, to judge by the descriptions you've posted.

[Wraith Gundam]

They actually showed both Chaotic Century and New Century, but I preferred the first one. The first time round they showed it, they skipped the last episode of Chaotic Century and went into New Century, they showed about ten episodes of that then started Chaotic Century all over again. :wacko: :blink: :huh: Honestly, they really have no clue over here.

[Deacon Blues]

Is Gundam really so bad, by the standards of daytime television in the states? Is it so much worse in terms of content than the domestic programming that is shown in the "golden hours"?

Basically, yes. What I never understood is why a lame *** show like the powerpuff girls could show blood, people's teeth getting knocked out, brains being bashed, etc when Gundam couldn't show blood at all... makes no sense.