Chapter 318 *spoilers*

[ffl]

Nice chapter. More progress. Nice to see that we may be getting a look at that abilities of those two chuunin, Kotetsu and the other guy.

Oh, and I guess that bijuu was a free and roaming bijuu, from the way Deidara was speaking of it.

[Denisa]

I like this special new team Asuma is leading and want to see what they can do.

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/3883/narutospoils1ht9.jpg

I'm shallow. I like a team full of hot guys. Ino and Chouji who? Well, Asuma isn't hot, but he's Asuma and just awesome. But it looks like Izumo and Kotetsu(the two chuunin guys from the exams) are going to be fodder and will probably die. The only one I am sure will live is Shikamaru. Poor Asuma. It looks more and more like it's his time.

I love Tobi. He is so useless and cute. He thought he took down the biju with his one-hit KO! Sounds like Deidara did all the work. Yeah, the biju was wild and it seems like Jinchuuriki are stronger than bijus.

Sounds like Hidan and Kakuzu don't like each other.

The training is the least interesting thing now. I just want to see Naruto fight.

[abomination]

Hey, Kotetsu and Izumo. Finally after all these years perhaps we might finally be able to see those two in a decent fight. But no they can't die, I won't allow it! They're just too damn cool. That would be like killing Genma or Raidou. Asuma on the other hand, although the most badass Jounin of them all ( next to Kakashi that is ), is quickly on his way to meeting his fate. But that's only 4 known shinobi. I wonder if there are other shinobi in that group that we know of.

From the way Deidara spoke, it seems that that was a wild bijuu. It seems a bijuu is actually weaker than a jinchuuriki, or atleast the lesser ones. On top of that it also seems as if it was "wild" wild, as in not controlling itself, or at least that's from the trans. I read. Oh, and Tobi is acting like such a noobie, and a childish one at that.

Kakuzu and Hidan don't seem to like each other that much, and Kakuzu carrying around a corpse through the middle of a forest is so ridiculous it's hilarious. It seems that each thinks the other wants to kill him. Hah. For some ungodly reason I'm reminded of The Odd Couple when these two have a conversation, and I don't know why.

Atleast Naruto's training is atleast getting somewhere now, but it seems like it would be too early for him to actually use the chakra manipulation in any sort of combat without actually practicing and refining it more . But then again the same could have been said about the Rasengan aswell and look how that turned out.

A decent chapter it seems. Not overwhelmingly awesome, but not utterly boring either. A decent chapter to continue setting up some major events to come.

I'm shallow. I like a team full of hot guys. Ino and Chouji who? Well, Asuma isn't hot, but he's Asuma and just awesome.
Well, atleast you're honest about it and not living in denial.

[Hara!]

Not much progress at all. I seem to definitely believe Tobi is Obito now...

[Charred Knight]

Once again we get an offscreen battle as Tobi uses a jutsu offscreen and then falls asleep, though Deidara does most of the work making her second Bijuu capture. Konoha goes on the offensive as with 80 ninjas, while Naruto continues his training.

Most interesting was the comment that the Sanbi was stupid, which hints that the Bijuu may gain power by pairing with a Jinchuuriki. If you look at the Kyuubi he certainly didn't seem to be that intelligent just lashing out at Konoha.

[Hara!]

Once again we get an offscreen battle as Tobi uses a jutsu offscreen and then falls asleep, though Deidara does most of the work making her second Bijuu capture. Konoha goes on the offensive as with 80 ninjas, while Naruto continues his training.

Most interesting was the comment that the Sanbi was stupid, which hints that the Bijuu may gain power by pairing with a Jinchuuriki. If you look at the Kyuubi he certainly didn't seem to be that intelligent just lashing out at Konoha.

eh, I'd hit it.

[blackknight]

A decent chapter, but I really don't like the revelation about the biju, being that they are apparently weaker than they would be if locked inside a human. Seems to me it should be the other way around, as humans are far weaker than biju (Note the slaughterhouse that was Konoha when Kyuubi attacked), so the human element of the Jinchuuriki should make them easier to stop.

I'm also starting to get annoyed with Naruto's training. For the love of God, GET ON WITH IT! I want to see him going out and kicking @ss again, not standing around splitting leaves and waterfalls. I realize it is an important part of the story, but it's getting tedious, like all the goddamn powering up in DBZ.

[Denisa]

Well, atleast you're honest about it and not living in denial.
I'm a fangirl, but a honest one.

This guy creeped me out. People are thinking he is Ibiki(torture guy from the exams), but he lacks the scars. His nose could defeat the Akatsuki by itself.
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3126/noseqk7.jpg

[appletini]

i really dont think kotetsu and friend will die, their probably jounin now. hopefully the next chapter wont show any more than a page of naruto's training.
is shikamaru now jounin?

[DarkNataku]

well seeing that biju are wild animals (of sorts), if you take a wild animal and cage it it becomes more aggressive. and im sure that every biju has a lvl of intelligence. and well this biju didnt really look that smart.

[abomination]

This guy creeped me out. People are thinking he is Ibiki(torture guy from the exams), but he lacks the scars. His nose could defeat the Akatsuki by itself.
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3126/noseqk7.jpg

Well he does kinda resemble Ibiki Morino a little, but as said he does lack his scars and good god what a nose.
I don't think he would be on the 80 person team 'cause isn't he the caption of the Anbu Torture and Interrogation squad. I don't think they're sending Anbu at all, much less someone who is specialized in torture and info gathering through torture. They're mostly just sending the available higher skilled Chuunin and Jounin is what I think. I wouldn't be suprised if Genma or Raidou were included in one of the teams as well, but that may be asking for too much. Kotetsu and Izumo along with Asuma and Shikamaru make this squad a win already even at the first appearance, Genma and Raidou would make it so prodigious the universe would explode due to not being able to contain such pure and unbridled awesomeness.

[Denisa]

Genma and Raidou would make it so prodigious the universe would explode due to not being able to contain such pure and unbridled awesomeness.
The guy in front of Mr. Big Nose looks like Genma. He would be in the leader position with the Ibiki lookalike and Shino lookalike behind him(that can't be Shino?). Makes sense that Genma would be there. All we need is Anko.

[Suki]

God, this chapter was in bits and pieces.

[Nomnomnom]

80 Nins for 2 guys tells you something, when the third sent out his ninjas to find naruto, there wern't as many, same goes for when Konoha was attacked.

[Nano]

There wasn't much progress in the naruto training department. but I belive this chapter is leading us up to a big fight between the Akatsuki and the jounin ninja in the next. Asuma right? we found out his father was the third right? that may play a part later on, as in these fights they like to talk, A LOT.
Naruto's rasengan training took a few episodes, so this will be the same.

And I felt so bad when I saw the two tail girl nailed to the wall=(
I don't know the names.

[Big Shot]

Asuma won't die till he at least fights Oro, nuff said.

[Nomnomnom]

I'm thinking asuma's going to die against the Hidan/Kazaku Combo, if one of them dosn't end up killing the other first.

[Dan]

Ok, a note to everyone: if you read the translation hosted on NarutoFan, its pretty bad. Specifically, when concerning the Bijuu, they arent saying that the Bijuu is stupid, which I think some may have taken it, but rather it lacks a "host", like Gaara, Naruto, and the Nekomata girl. Therefore without the host, it runs wild - like an animal, not an idiot.

There were some other very poor translations, one that I specifically noted was Asuma says: "(that) Chiriku was...(killed)" "ridiculous... (or "thats absurd"), NOT "what a fool"

[Denisa]

There were some other very poor translations, one that I specifically noted was Asuma says: "(that) Chiriku was...(killed)" "ridiculous... (or "thats absurd"), NOT "what a fool"
That's a pretty big mistranslation. If you believe the "fool" one than that's saying Asuma is a lot more powerful than the old monk and he was a fool for fighting since he wasn't that strong. The correct one says that Asuma is at equal power or probably isn't much more powerful than the monk and he is shocked that he could be killed and the fire temple destroyed. It makes Hidan and his friend seem much more frightening and Team Asuma is at a huge disadvantage in power. Now you know why they brought Shikamaru. They are not beating either of those guys with brawn.

[abomination]

Or it could mean that he was a fool for taking on the Akatsuki, especially when he knew how powerfull they could be. I figure, by this time, most of the more influential people of the major countries know about Akatsuki and the power they could potentially possess. Plus he knew the Akatsuki was going to eventually show up at the temple.
He didn't seem to be a pushover seeing as how he had a large bounty on his head in the Bingo Book. Kakuzu tells Hidan to not take him lightly and let his guard down or he would surely be killed by him so that concludes Chiriku was no pushover.

Whether or not he was stronger than Asuma or weaker or whatever is speculative and based on translations or mistranslations, but what is pretty much cemented is just how powerful and menacing Hidan,Kakuzu and the Akatsuki in general are. If Hidan and Kakuzu can take down a member of the 12 Guardians , who have to be atleast Jounin I fugure and who can use a renowned special genius technique, then that signifies that Team Asuma are in for a rough time with these two.

[Hara!]

You should have read MY translation.

http://mangahelpers.com/forum/index.php?topic=7027.0

[Mikadzuki Tatsu]

According to the translation I read, "The three-tails was weak because it's not actually a jinchuuriki. It's just a dumb animal that can't use its powers." That doesn't make sense. Clearly, a bijuu does not need a human host in order to be strong--the nine-tails made that clear when it made a slaughterhouse out of Konoha. And one would assume that being sealed within a jinchuuriki would make a bijuu weaker, not stronger, since it wouldn't be able to use its powers to their full extent.

So that makes me wonder... Is it possible for a bijuu sealed within a jinchuuriki to be more powerful than a wild bijuu? It'd be limited by the confines of the body of the human who is its host, of course, but could, for instance, Naruto combine his chakra with the chakra of the kyuubi, and would doing so make the jinchuuriki/bijuu combination more powerful than the bijuu would have been alone?

But it looks like the Akatsuki are really on their feet. Naruto had better get a move on with his training and develop some über technique AS SOON AS IS PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE, before the Akatsuki get too much farther ahead!

I don't sense good things in the future for Asuma's team. I'm not going to get up my hopes that both Kotetsu and Izumo are going to make it out of this mission in one piece; I'm going to bet that at least one of them is going to die, or at least get seriously injured. Shikamaru might not even make it out of this mission in one piece, although I hope he does; he needs to live long enough to marry Temari. :P

[abomination]

According to the translation I read, "The three-tails was weak because it's not actually a jinchuuriki. It's just a dumb animal that can't use its powers." That doesn't make sense. Clearly, a bijuu does not need a human host in order to be strong--the nine-tails made that clear when it made a slaughterhouse out of Konoha. And one would assume that being sealed within a jinchuuriki would make a bijuu weaker, not stronger, since it wouldn't be able to use its powers to their full extent.
The translation I read had it as " The three-tails wasn't a jinchuuriki so it was weak. It didn't have enough smarts to control it's own strength. " So yes, it doesn't really make sense. A wild bijuu should by all means be stronger than a bijuu that is contained within someone. The only way I can see a jinchuuriki being stronger than a bijuu is if being contained in a human actually allows it more control, if that makes sense.

Perhaps the more tails a bijuu has the more control it has over it's chakra and itself ; the more sentient it is, whereas the lesser the tails it has the more wild and berserk it is ;i.e. likened to a wild animal. Being contained in a person allows it control over itself and it's abilities as well as that persons when that person draws on it's chakra. Allowing a person to have control over a power such as that would, in the end, be more devastating than someone with out that power. That bijuu's chakra is accessible to that person, and in combination with that persons jutsu's and abilities, might make that person more powerfull than either one individually.

But we really haven't seen what a wild bijuu is fully capable of doing. All we know is that they are huge creatures with large amounts of chakra and capable of creating mass environmental destruction. We don't really know what their abilities, if they even have any, are other than environmental chaos.

That might make absolutely no sense, but that's my stake on it.

[Soluzar]

There were some other very poor translations, one that I specifically noted was Asuma says: "(that) Chiriku was...(killed)" "ridiculous... (or "thats absurd"), NOT "what a fool"
:rolleyes:
I can imagine how someone fairly new to the language would make that mistake, but what I don't understand is how someone can have enough of an understanding of the language to translate a whole chapter, yet fail to understand a fairly common idiom. I couldn't translate a whole chapter, but I'm sure that I would recognise that particular piece of colloquy, because it's fairly common.

This is why I rarely join in the chapter topics, dude. I prefer to wait for a scanlation that makes some kind of sense. For that reason, I'm usually a little behind.

According to the translation I read, "The three-tails was weak because it's not actually a jinchuuriki. It's just a dumb animal that can't use its powers." That doesn't make sense. Clearly, a bijuu does not need a human host in order to be strong--the nine-tails made that clear when it made a slaughterhouse out of Konoha. And one would assume that being sealed within a jinchuuriki would make a bijuu weaker, not stronger, since it wouldn't be able to use its powers to their full extent.

So that makes me wonder... Is it possible for a bijuu sealed within a jinchuuriki to be more powerful than a wild bijuu? It'd be limited by the confines of the body of the human who is its host, of course, but could, for instance, Naruto combine his chakra with the chakra of the kyuubi, and would doing so make the jinchuuriki/bijuu combination more powerful than the bijuu would have been alone?
Maybe it means that a Jinchuuriki is able to use the Bijuu's abilities in a more strategic manner than a wild beast would. That seems more like it to me. Humans can plan things out, and make best use of whatever powers they have available. Animals tend to just charge at ya, or run away... depending on how threatened they feel.

[ardilla]

Biju arent able to use any jutsu that ive seen, therefore being able to perform jutsu in corrdination with the bijus incredible chakra would make the Jinchuuriki much more powerful than a biju that uses just strength alone. As for narutos case the same is probably true, the four tails naruto was incredibly powerful if the sannin were having so much trouble. Im guessing that another tail or two and Naruto the Jinchuuriki would be just as powerful as a wild kyubi. Although narutos body probably would be comeletely destroyed if he forms any more tails. What really doesnt make sense is that suaskes chakra can suppress the kyubis, that **** is jsut strait up retarded. I still cant get over that and only that.

[Nomnomnom]

I'll agree with you on the ability to use jutsu's, after all they are just wild 3000 year old animals.

[Mikadzuki Tatsu]

Biju arent able to use any jutsu that ive seen, therefore being able to perform jutsu in corrdination with the bijus incredible chakra would make the Jinchuuriki much more powerful than a biju that uses just strength alone.This is how I see it:

Jutsu is an art developed by man as a means of focusing and channeling the spiritual energy (chakra) necessary to accomplish a certain task, such as create clones or breathe fire. Only humans can perform jutsu, but only humans need to perform jutsu. Powerful, legendary creatures--such as the kitsune, the nekomata, or the tanuki--don't need to perform jutsu in order to focus and channel their chakra. (That's part of the reason they're legendary.)

Although the bijuu are probably smarter than your average beast, they're still wild animals, who think like wild animals. And when an animal feels threatend, his instinct is to either run for it...or fight back. If you're a giant fox or cat or tanuki and you're faced with a hoard of measly humans who are attacking you, do you think you're going to run, or are you going to start blowing things up? And if you're busy blowing things up, do you think you're keeping track of how much chakra you're wasting?

[ardilla]

This is how I see it:

Jutsu is an art developed by man as a means of focusing and channeling the spiritual energy (chakra) necessary to accomplish a certain task, such as create clones or breathe fire. Only humans can perform jutsu, but only humans need to perform jutsu. Powerful, legendary creatures--such as the kitsune, the nekomata, or the tanuki--don't need to perform jutsu in order to focus and channel their chakra. (That's part of the reason they're legendary.)

Although the bijuu are probably smarter than your average beast, they're still wild animals, who think like wild animals. And when an animal feels threatend, his instinct is to either run for it...or fight back. If you're a giant fox or cat or tanuki and you're faced with a hoard of measly humans who are attacking you, do you think you're going to run, or are you going to start blowing things up? And if you're busy blowing things up, do you think you're keeping track of how much chakra you're wasting?


Well thats all fine and good but it doesnt really answer the original question. I mean if humans were able to defeat and contain the biju into a jinchuuriki it shoudl seem pretty obvious that biju would be more powerful as jinchuuriki, and well isnt that exactly what deidra says. I mean you cant really argue with written proof from the author of the manga himself. I personally figured the kyubi at least would be much more powerful if he was able to break outta naruto, but then again, if naruto was to bring out all nine tails im betting no one could ever beat him but he would end up dead, much like Rock Lee and the Eight gates.

[Mikadzuki Tatsu]

Well thats all fine and good but it doesnt really answer the original question. I mean if humans were able to defeat and contain the biju into a jinchuuriki it shoudl seem pretty obvious that biju would be more powerful as jinchuuriki, and well isnt that exactly what deidra says. I mean you cant really argue with written proof from the author of the manga himself.
I don't think bijū are more powerful when they're sealed inside a human body. I think that, while mankind developed a way to focus and channel chakra so none of it would be wasted, the bijū did not, because some of them lack the intellect to do so.

"Compared to humans, bijū possess a massive amount of chakra, which seems to exponentially increase with each tail. Shukaku, being the weakest of the nine, seems to possess a chakra level several times that of any human, while the Kyūbi's chakra is practically limitless. Despite the increasing levels of chakra, not all bijū are able to use their chakra as effectively. The Sanbi, for instance, did not possess the intellect to control its own strength, making it weaker." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biju#Ichibi_no_Shukaku_.28.22One-tailed_Shukaku.22.29)

I also read something interesting regarding what Deidara says: the sanbi, unlike Shukaku and Kyūbi no Yōko, isn't intelligent enough to speak, which makes it no different from a wild animal. Not having a host makes it weaker because it's not intelligent enough to control its own strength. That pretty much supports the excerpt above.

[abomination]

I also read something interesting regarding what Deidara says: the sanbi, unlike Shukaku and Kyūbi no Yōko, isn't intelligent enough to speak, which makes it no different from a wild animal. Not having a host makes it weaker because it's not intelligent enough to control its own strength. That pretty much supports the excerpt above.
I wonder if that could apply to just the bijuu, or any of the other beast in the Naruto-verse ? I mean the " isn't intelligent enough to speak, which makes it no different from a wild animal." part. Would that apply to just the bijuu, or would that incorporate summons aswell ? I would assume that's just for the bijuu.

[Naster]

I wonder if that could apply to just the bijuu, or any of the other beast in the Naruto-verse ? I mean the " isn't intelligent enough to speak, which makes it no different from a wild animal." part. Would that apply to just the bijuu, or would that incorporate summons aswell ? I would assume that's just for the bijuu.

Animals naturally give it their all when they are threatened. With this in mind, the bijuu probably exerted it chakra quite quickly, and even while it did have chakra to use up it's attacks were probably quite predictable given the type of element/where it was during the fight. No doubt it probably tried some desperate attacks that only put it into more peril, kind of like a wolf nawing its own leg off when it gets stuck in a spring trap.. it just makes the situation worse.

Alright, bad example.. but the point of the matter is that because it is in the wild you can treat it like an animal and predict it's attacks much easier than if it were in a more capable container.. where it can be sneakier.

[Jinto117]

I just think that the Sanbi was a dumb a** of a biju personally. It just looked stupid especially with that jaw. Aside from him it and a few others maybe I think the rest are much smarter. The Kyuubi was only caught because someone told it that Konoha was holding an all you can eat buffet.

[abomination]

Animals naturally give it their all when they are threatened. With this in mind, the bijuu probably exerted it chakra quite quickly, and even while it did have chakra to use up it's attacks were probably quite predictable given the type of element/where it was during the fight. No doubt it probably tried some desperate attacks that only put it into more peril, kind of like a wolf nawing its own leg off when it gets stuck in a spring trap.. it just makes the situation worse.

Alright, bad example.. but the point of the matter is that because it is in the wild you can treat it like an animal and predict it's attacks much easier than if it were in a more capable container.. where it can be sneakier.

Odd, seeing as how I've always been under the presumption that when a wild animal is cornered or threatened, it's first instinct would be to attempt to escape and only when all attmpts to escape fail, that's when it's poised to attack and defend itself. Which is pretty much what the Sanbi attempted, but we probably will never find out what it done during it's fight, just as we'll never know what happened during the Nibi fight. But whatever it done in it's retaliation, it probably did prompt an easier capture by Akatsuki.

The Kyuubi was only caught because someone told it that Konoha was holding an all you can eat buffet.
Mmmmm...human tartare...*licks lips*.................OH SHI..

[Hellsartist]

I'm just gonna add my two-sense in but the way I see it is that, like everyone has been saying, the biju have all of that incredible chakra and power at their exposal but again like everyone has been saying their just mindless animals. Also we don't know if Kyubi or the one-tailed bijuu ithat was in Gaara can actually talk, the Shikku (spelling?) that was in gaara only spoke with gaara as is host, even after covering gaara, he is still the shikku's host and thus enables him to talk and the Kyubi is only ever seen talking with Naruto, seeing as the Kyubi and Naruto are slowly starting to merge as i understand it. So both times the Bijuu was able to talk because of is/her/its jinchuuricki, etc. I'm not sure if the number of tails actually tells the cratures power level, it may very well be that the one-tailed is the weakest and the nine-tailed is the strongest, but like someone here said if the jinchuuriki and the Bijuu's power and chakra become one, or rather the jinchuuriki learned to control and adapt the massive power at their disposal (as Naruto has slowly been doing during the series and the two-tailed jinchuuriki seemed to have accomplished) then their power should be much more powerful then either one alone. For example a ninja alone (like the hokages, itachi or the other members of Akatsuki, or the Sanin) can obviously be incredibly powerful, and the Bijuu's are obviously incredibly powerful as well, then if a ninja like that could control and merge his chakra with the Bijuu's then their power would greatly exceed just the Bijuu's alone, not to mention human intelligence and planning wich alone can make the power much more dangerous.

Also one thing about the summons, Their not animals from this world or dimension, the way I understand it is that their summoned from their dimension, their world (and I'm assuming they all share that same dimension seeing as Boss Gaama and Orichimaru's Snake king summon knew eachother, though i could be mistaken) but regardless my point is their not your ordinary animals. Given that the bijuu are obviously not normal too but thats why the summons can talk i believe.

I've talked long enough :P

[DarkNataku]

well kishi needs to make the akatsuki vs. bijuus/jinchūriki fights last longer. so we can see what they can and cant do. i dont want to read no more akatsuki members talking care of it in a turn of the page. and well i guess you can be big and stupid and still survive. well not for long. and you would think that a bijuu's streght be cut in at least half if put in a container.

it looks like naruto finally completed the first part of his training. about time.

[ardilla]

No the bijus talk, if they dont then naruto has some major mental issuese dont you think?Or is he jsut conversing with himself. Also gambuta said something along the lines of the shukaku is a wild guy, or maybe it was gamchi, i dont rember. So i think the some of them can talk.

[Hellsartist]

You might be right, just the way i see it like you said is that since the Kyubi is inside naruto then its not actually naruto talking to him but his concience right? and I'd think it would be similar with Gaara and his bijuu but I could be wrong

[ardilla]

Well its true the kyubi never uttered a word when he was atacking the village as a biju, hmm maybe we will find out soon enough. But i mean the biju are supposed to be mythical creatures wiht ultimate chakra thousands of years old. Although the sanbi did seem kinda retarded, i cant imagine that non of them would know how to converse. Im guessing if the 8th biju is a snake it would definetly have powers to talk as a biju. I mean arent snakes notorious for taking on human form and back stabbing people in mythology? you may be right maybe the only way they can speak is as a jinchuuriku.

[abomination]

You might be right, just the way i see it like you said is that since the Kyubi is inside naruto then its not actually naruto talking to him but his concience right? and I'd think it would be similar with Gaara and his bijuu but I could be wrong
Yeah, I thought about that myself. The only time we see a bijuu talk is during inner monologues with it's host's body. Naruto's still Naruto while under the Kyuubi's influence untill 4 tails start to emerge, and by that time more of the Kyuubi's personality is starting to take precedence over Naruto's personality. After the bijuu's personality takes over, I figure if the bijuu had a vocal voice, it would express it through it's container's voice. I take the inner monologues with the bijuu and the jinchuuriki as the equivalent as a person thinking amongst themself. It's nothing more than a voice it the jinchuuriki's head. They're both inhabiting the same body, so it sorta makes sense that the bijuu's consciousness will communicate with the jinchuuriki's consciousness.

I'm not sure if the number of tails actually tells the cratures power level, it may very well be that the one-tailed is the weakest and the nine-tailed is the strongest
Yes, that's pretty much the collective idea, both in Naruto and in the mythical legends most of the bijuu are based upon.

like someone here said if the jinchuuriki and the Bijuu's power and chakra become one, or rather the jinchuuriki learned to control and adapt the massive power at their disposal (as Naruto has slowly been doing during the series and the two-tailed jinchuuriki seemed to have accomplished) then their power should be much more powerful then either one alone. For example a ninja alone (like the hokages, itachi or the other members of Akatsuki, or the Sanin) can obviously be incredibly powerful, and the Bijuu's are obviously incredibly powerful as well, then if a ninja like that could control and merge his chakra with the Bijuu's then their power would greatly exceed just the Bijuu's alone, not to mention human intelligence and planning wich alone can make the power much more dangerous.
That's pretty much similar to my personal idea on any reason a jinchuuriki would be stronger than a bijuu alone. It's no mistake to say that there are humans that can become immensely powerful for humans, and it's no mistake to say bijuu are immensely power. Combine the two and you would have a war machine. Even Naruto under Kyuubi's influence is stronger than a regular Jounin. I would surmise two tailed Naruto is stronger than a weaker Kage. Three tailed Naruto is probably Kage and Sannin level. Four tailed Naruto was laying waste to Orochimaru, but the only thing that was keeping Oro alive was the fact he's practically immortal and has so many jutsu's to keep himself alive, if not for that he would've been killed. A jinchuuriki under a bijuu's influence would lay waste to most all Chuunin and Jounin, while still having their personality,strategies and jutsu intact. The more the bijuu takes over, the more powerfull and wild in their actions they become and they basically become a wild killing machine. That's why most jinchuuriki are hated by their peers and shunned by society: so that would manifest their hate and allow them to kill indiscriminately. That's why bijuu were purposely put into human containers.

But this is where I'm conflicted with the bijuu. Couldn't they use their chakra to do the things the Kyuubi does with his chakra with Naruto ? I mean manifest their chakra into arms and create chakra blast and whatnot like Kyubi does with Naruto. Could that be what makes a bijuu weaker than a jinchuuriki; not smart enough to channel and use their chakra as effictively and in ways they could if it was stuck in a human body ? Could that be what Deidara was seaking of, or am I completely backwards on this ?

Also one thing about the summons, Their not animals from this world or dimension, the way I understand it is that their summoned from their dimension, their world (and I'm assuming they all share that same dimension seeing as Boss Gaama and Orichimaru's Snake king summon knew eachother, though i could be mistaken) but regardless my point is their not your ordinary animals. Given that the bijuu are obviously not normal too but thats why the summons can talk i believe.
But not all summons speak. Not all of Jiraiya's toads speak and the only snake Oro has summoned that spoke was Manda. The only dog Kakashi summoned that was capable of speech was Pakkun. But animals aren't the only thing to be summoned. You have weapons, dead bodies, and scrolls. It's just that to summon the creatures ( aswell as things like Oro's Rashoumon gate summon and Oro's Edo Tensei ) you have to have a contract with them and use your blood and chakra to summon them. Others like weapons you just use your chakra and call them forth from a scroll.

[Mikadzuki Tatsu]

You might be right, just the way i see it like you said is that since the Kyubi is inside naruto then its not actually naruto talking to him but his concience right? and I'd think it would be similar with Gaara and his bijuu but I could be wrong
Let's see if I can explain this coherently. Whenever he communicates with the kyuubi, Naruto is actually "talking," so to speak. Rather than saying words aloud, he thinks them, and the kyuubi reads his mind. In principle, it's similar to telepathy. I assume the same was true for the ichibi and Gaara.

One can assume that, prior to their being captured and sealed away, both the ichibi and the kyuubi were able to talk, my guess is using telepathy, or something similar to it (they talked without moving their lips). They didn't need a host in order to communicate.

Some of the bijuu, such as Shukaku and Kyuubi no Youko, are capable of speech, while others, such as the sanbi, are not; those bijuu who are capable of speech are more intelligent than those who are not.

[Hellsartist]

But this is where I'm conflicted with the bijuu. Couldn't they use their chakra to do the things the Kyuubi does with his chakra with Naruto ? I mean manifest their chakra into arms and create chakra blast and whatnot like Kyubi does with Naruto. Could that be what makes a bijuu weaker than a jinchuuriki; not smart enough to channel and use their chakra as effictively and in ways they could if it was stuck in a human body ? Could that be what Deidara was seaking of, or am I completely backwards on this ?

Well I think Naruto, albeit under the influence of the Kyubi, was still in control so he could use chakra hands and the such and even when he had 4 tails all thats said is Naruto can't distinguish friend from foe so even then hes somewhat in control of his body, wich may be why he could use explosive chakra attacks on Orochimaru. I could be wrong though.

And I thought that sometime during the anime or manga someone said, I don't remember who, that the summons (atleast the beast summons) are from another dimension, but I could be wrong lol I'm not 100% sure.

lol and thanks abomination, you pretty much said exactly what I was thinking

[abomination]

One can assume that, prior to their being captured and sealed away, both the ichibi and the kyuubi were able to talk, my guess is using telepathy, or something similar to it (they talked without moving their lips). They didn't need a host in order to communicate.
Perhaps they communicate the same way the gods and beasts in Mononoke Hime communicate. But telepathy seems like a viable and recognisable answer.

[Mikadzuki Tatsu]

Well I think Naruto, albeit under the influence of the Kyubi, was still in control so he could use chakra hands and the such and even when he had 4 tails all thats said is Naruto can't distinguish friend from foe so even then hes somewhat in control of his body, wich may be why he could use explosive chakra attacks on Orochimaru. I could be wrong though.No, when Naruto loses himself to the kyuubi, he loses control. By the time the chakra-fox grows its fourth tail, the Naruto we know is hidden somewhere in the back of his own mind, unconscious and unaware of what's going on. Has there ever been a time when Naruto has lost himself to the kyuubi and then afterward remembers what happened? If he were in control, he'd remember what happened.

Those explosive chakra attacks used against Orochimaru were not Naruto's, they were the kyuubi's. The kyuubi doesn't need hand signals to blow things up with its chakra. Haven't you noticed how Naruto gets down on all fours when the kyuubi takes over?

[Hellsartist]

Like I said he is largley under the influence of the Kyuubi and the way I saw it during the Sasuke Naruto fight Naruto was still in control even though he was fighting like an animal. He was still conversing with Sasuke, but as for the 4 tails Naruto I think I was wrong lol I couldn't really get what I wanted to say out, All I meant was that its still Naruto's body not the Kyuubi's so he could very well do things that he couldn't do as the demon fox on his own. AGAIN I could be wrong :)

[ardilla]

Man i cant wait till they animate the kn4 vs oro fight, itll make the naruto vs sauske fight mean even less. Although i really enjoy shikamarus fights the most.

[Mikadzuki Tatsu]

Like I said he is largley under the influence of the Kyuubi and the way I saw it during the Sasuke Naruto fight Naruto was still in control even though he was fighting like an animal.Naruto was still in control in the fight against Sasuke, but barely. He was barely in control of himself, which was why he was fighting, as you said, like an animal. I think that if he had felt even the slightest bit more threatened, the kyuubi would have succeeded in taking over.

[blackknight]

Naruto was still in control in the fight against Sasuke, but barely. He was barely in control of himself, which was why he was fighting, as you said, like an animal. I think that if he had felt even the slightest bit more threatened, the kyuubi would have succeeded in taking over.
And yet it seemed to me that he was briefly using two tails against Deidara, until Kakashi sealed it. He had about as much control as with one. Same with three against Orochimaru. It was when he went four that he lost control.

Maybe I missed the memo, but where the hell is chapter 319?

[Mikadzuki Tatsu]

Maybe I missed the memo, but where the hell is chapter 319?That's a good question... Where IS chapter 319?

[crow-kun]

Holiday in Japan no chapter 319

[Denisa]

No chapter 319 this week. But in the past when this happened, people have gotten a hold of a leaked SJ early and we get a RAW around Sunday/Monday. I just saw this weeks SJ cover(with Bleach on it) so someone will probably get the 319 RAW out in the next couple of days. The spoiler I read also sounded very plausible.

[Hara!]

The spoiler I read also sounded very plausible.

Elaborate PLZ.

[Denisa]

^ The spoiler translated by pocketmofo.

Title: START!!

*First Scene is at Orochimaru's place

Kabuto: Akatsuki and Konoha?s movements have increased dramatically compared to before, Orochimaru-sama. We should...soon...

Orochimaru: It's still early. Let's wait until a Akatsuki's ranks have been thinned a bit more...

*Scene ends with Orochimaru's eyes

*Scene switches to Naruto's training
*There are many Narutos putting their hands on the waterfall and yelling

Naruto(s): OOOOOOOOO!!!

Naruto: Is it even possible to cut something like a waterfall!!

Naruto: Even if it isn't possible, we?ll do it!!

Naruto: We'll definitely master this, and then get Sasuke.....!!

*Yamato is once again putting up the barriers to help control the Kyuubi's chakra.

*Scene switches to Asuma's squad -- they're moving through the forest

Shikamaru: Asuma, just what kinds of jutsu do those Akatsuki guys use?

Asuma: No idea. However, they are the ones who managed to beat Chiriku. Our chance of attacking them head-on and actually winning is pretty slim.

Asuma: That's why we need that brain of yours, Shikamaru.

Asuma: Unlike you, once I get into battle I don't really have the ability to strategize.

Asuma: When we get into battle, follow Shikamaru's orders

Izumo, Kotetsu: Yes sir!!

Shikamaru: Oh, seems that while we were having that pain in the *** conversation we finally arrived at the spot. That's the place, right?

*Chapter ends with a totally destroyed temple

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