Misato Promiscuous?

[Hekym]

I don't get this. At all. The concept of her being so dirtied seems to come from Ritsuko's snide comments (which are to relieve her own pain) and her ever being present with her old boyfriend (who flirts with anyone under the sun). It's not as though Misato gets around. She only sleeps with one man (she says so right before Kaji gives her the capsule), and she has very honest psychological problems associated with her limited sexuality. Why is she always painted by fans as a sleazebag? She seems like the purest and most honest character in the series.

[Reichu]

Kaji doesn't seem to have been her "one and only". Check out this stuff:

Episode #25

MISATO:
You're so kind, Kaji.
Please take that kindness...
...and tarnish me with it.

KAJI:
Just because you hate yourself now doesn't mean you should hurt yourself.
That's just fooling yourself into feeling better
by punishing yourself for the moment. You should stop doing that.

MISATO:
And you're going to tell me to be good to myself, right?

MISATO:
That's what all men are like.
And after that, they go off to work, into their own worlds.
Leaving me behind...

MISATO:
Just like Father.

Episode #15

MISATO:
I'm such a child. I have no right to tell Shinji anything.

KAJI:
That's enough!

MISATO:
On top of that, I'm an underhanded woman that just clings to men when it suits me!
Even back then, I may have just been using you!
I hate myself!

KAJI:
That's enough! Stop it!

MISATO:
I'm so pathetic!

Episode #25

REI:
You're insecure.

RITSUKO:
Unless someone's sleeping by your side.

ASUKA:
Are you scared of sleeping by yourself?

IBUKI:
Are you lonely sleeping by yourself after all?

KAJI:
You can't bear the loss in your heart.

HYUGA:
That's why you'll be with anyone, it doesn't matter who.

MISATO:
That's not true!

MISATO (VOICE):
No, you just want to give yourself over to simple pleasure.
You just want to soothe your soul through temporary escapes
and you're only using men to that end.

MISATO:
No! You're wrong! Wrong!

What would Kaji have to feel honored about? Perhaps he's the only man with whom Misato has had "emotionally significant sex" (as I believe Shin-seiki once put it).

[Shin-seiki]

What would Kaji have to feel honored about? Perhaps he's the only man with whom Misato has had "emotionally significant sex" (as I believe Shin-seiki once put it).Hm, actually I don't recall saying that off hand, but, be that as it may, your point is well taken; Misato doesn't seem to be involved with anyone besides Kaji in the current time of the series, but there are plenty of indications that she used to get around quite a bit. Leaving aside the whole imfamous matter of Misato's less-than-pure feelings towards Shinji, Asuka, for one, seems to take a pretty dim view of her moral character, based on what she saw going on when she was living with her in Germany. And of course, despite that, Misato's negative example seems to have rubbed off on Asuka ("Will I be just like Misato when I grow up?"...)

[Reichu]

Oh, my bad. I blame my extremely sleep-deprived state for making me "misremember" the old stuff. From EMF, a string starting here (http://forums.evamonkey.com/viewtopic.php?p=21713#21713) when I brought up the "something like this" line.

"Something like this" could mean "sex that was emotionally significant as well as pleasurable for my squidgy parts."

Since we're talking about how dirty Misato is, random trivia: Anybody remember the "rocket" she made from building blocks during her child-monologue in #25? I just recently learned that the storyboards describe it as "a representation of a penis". Oh dear...

[neoXellos]

be she a ***** or not she is still one of my fav characters and all will be

[Tidusauron12]

Wasn't she hanging around Hyuga alot in episode 24? Maybe she had to give a little to get his services... :naughty:

[Mr. Tines]

But she didn't go out for some inappropriate fraternization with him when Pen^2 and Shinji had both refused her demands for comfort.

[Reichu]

She was hanging out with him in #24 (you see them together in her car and at the Geofront bridge), but almost certainly nothing happened... During the Sweet Death sequence in EoE, Hyuga sees Misato come to get him, and the implications seem to be that people (aside from Aoba, of course) are seeing something desired, but unattained. Fuyutsuki and Yui. Maya and Ritsuko. Even Shinji: Before he Tangifies, Rei asks him, "What do you wish for?", and that thing is apparently Asuka, with particular focus on the bust. ;)

So evidently Misato had only gone totally sober, after the incident with Shinji she'd gone celibate as well despite the fact that there was a new boy toy readily available. :P

[Tidusauron12]

(aside from Aoba, of course)


how come only Aoba didn't see something... he was wishing for?

And so... Maya is a lesbian? Or did she miss Ritsuko cause' she'd been gone since episode... 23?

[max payne]

Because he's pefectly happy the way he is? Or he is wishing for rei?

[Tidusauron12]

Because he's pefectly happy the way he is? Or he is wishing for rei?

He seemed to be terrified of her though... (he was hiding behind his chair...)

[Mr. Tines]

We know Aoba was a rock guitarist wannabe. Maybe at the end, he realised that being thrown to a pack of naked groupies was less fun that it might have seemed.

And Maya - I believe that it is official that she had the hots for Senpai.

[Tidusauron12]

We know Aoba was a rock guitarist wannabe. Maybe at the end, he realised that being thrown to a pack of naked groupies was less fun that it might have seemed.

And Maya - I believe that it is official that she had the hots for Senpai.

My god... (I said god again!!!) Aoba is a sad man.

Also, Maya... I didn't thank she was a homosexual. (The scene with Kagi made me think of her as a heterosexual.)

[max payne]

Also, Maya... I didn't thank she was a homosexual. (The seen with Kagi made me think of her as a heterosexual.)


one word. Bisexual

[Tidusauron12]

one word. Bisexual

oh yeah... forgot about that, lol.

[Reichu]

When Giant Naked Rei rises from the depths, Maya is TOTALLY checking her out. As soon as Rei's giant naked boobs are visible to the bridge crew, they cut to Maya, who is shown staring, completely enrapt. Then she gets "fingered", and only then does she freak out, and she shakes her head violently kind of the same way Misato does in #25 during her poor attempt to deny the more bizarre aspects of her sexuality. "No, you lie! I don't want my dad and Shinji to watch me having sex with Kaji! (And by implication, I don't want to have sex with my dad and Shinji, either!) Noes!" Maybe Maya's thinking, "OH DEAR GAWD I DON'T WANT TO BE A LESBIAN!!!! It's not true!!!!"

[Tidusauron12]

When Giant Naked Rei rises from the depths, Maya is TOTALLY checking her out. As soon as Rei's giant naked boobs are visible to the bridge crew, they cut to Maya, who is shown staring, completely enrapt. Then she gets "fingered", and only then does she freak out, and she shakes her head violently kind of the same way Misato does in #25 during her poor attempt to deny the more bizarre aspects of her sexuality. "No, you lie! I don't want my dad and Shinji to watch me having sex with Kaji! (And by implication, I don't want to have sex with my dad and Shinji, either!) Noes!" Maybe Maya's thinking, "OH DEAR GAWD I DON'T WANT TO BE A LESBIAN!!!! It's not true!!!!"
lol, you're right, lol....

[Hekym]

Oh come on. Maya was scared.
Hyuuga clearly loves Misato, but she's too unfocmfortable around a guy who loves her for the one side he ever sees- that of a Nerv employee. She's too hung up on what she thinks is her true self- this issue of her sexual identity.

All the characters make themselves far worse in their own minds, however. Even Kaji's response to Misato's outburst was sort of a that's not true/pull yourself together deal, and it seemed like he had a real understanding of her pyschological state from his actions. I'm not sure why it's grounds for her to be considered morally corrupt when she is obviously just very confused sexually, probably all from the Second Impact mental trauma. We never see her chasing after multiple men within the time frame of the series. And considering that she acts with so much compassion and honesty even though surrounded by.. well, Gendo's cronies and Seele... She is the only one who ever sticks to moralilty when dealing with the pilots. Others do to a lesser extent, but I don't see why Misato's courage and moral sense in life beyond the control room don't seem to warrant a more understanding view of her psychological problems from fans.


The woman is messed up. But that doesn't make her a *****.

[Reichu]

Oh come on. Maya was scared.
She was staring quite contentedly until her sight-seeing session was interrupted. ;)

Well, I don't know who those Misato-bashers are, but I like her. Except when she's trying to get into Shinji's pants or polishing his molars.

And BTW, her sexuality issues have their roots in her childhood. (Freud Freud Freud Freud...) Second Impact produced her vendetta/revenge complex (take vengeance upon Angels for killing Daddy; at same time, take sweet revenge against Daddy, however exactly that works).

[Tidusauron12]

And BTW, her sexuality issues have their roots in her childhood. (Freud Freud Freud Freud...) Second Impact produced her vendetta/revenge complex (take vengeance upon Angels for killing Daddy; at same time, take sweet revenge against Daddy, however exactly that works).

That's when you start to have a truly messed up mind. You should die for killing daddy... but I hate dad so It's double revenge...

[Reichu]

I still don't quite get it... Well, you know, first off the ones she's killing are innocents, secondly Dr. K engineered his own destruction (you just don't mess with strange lifeforms you find under Antarctica -- sci-fi cliche dictates that it's a bad idea), and third, since Adam supposedly killed him, maybe the Angels aren't so bad, considering how much Daddy sucked and all. I mean, Misato should be an Adam fan, right?

Um, yeah. I don't get how killing Adam's children = taking revenge on father, since one doesn't seem to have anything to do with the other. I'm probably missing some key thing. But incidentally, I'm always reminded of Shinji's "enemy! enemy! enemy!" scene in #20, where the flashing images of "the enemy" (Angels) gradually give way to Gendo. He's killing Angels, but who's the REAL "enemy"? The negligent father, of course.

[Hekym]

Maybe she doesn't know what she feels and wants just to be connected to him, somehow? I have no earthly idea. But I wonder what the significance of Misato passing her father's cross on to Shinji are. Maybe the cross represents something.... to be crucified... excruciating... Maybe something about being torn apart?

Darn it, I saw a great image of Maya in that scene... now I can't find it. Can someone toss one over here? Please?

[Reichu]

But I wonder what the significance of Misato passing her father's cross on to Shinji are. Maybe the cross represents something.... to be crucified... excruciating... Maybe something about being torn apart?
The only thing that comes to my mind is the concept of "carrying the cross". Like it's some kind of burden that's been passed from father to daughter, and from surrogate mother to son. (And then, amusingly enough, the cross itself is crucified in the end.)

Darn it, I saw a great image of Maya in that scene... now I can't find it. Can someone toss one over here? Please?
Nyah?

[Hekym]

The only thing that comes to my mind is the concept of "carrying the cross". Like it's some kind of burden that's been passed from father to daughter, and from surrogate mother to son. (And then, amusingly enough, the cross itself is crucified in the end.)


Probably the state of being torn between your family and your work... elder Katsuragi's is obvious, Misato's is between Shinji and Nerv (hence Ritsuko's comments) and Shinji.... well, let's start with Kaowru, I suppose. Close friend/ duty to destroy angels. I haven't seen EoE, but I take it he was still confused about Kaowru when he took the cross, hmmm? It may also be sexual confusion... the most postive potential aspect I can think of is "The Will to Live". (Misato is Humanity :P) That might explain why Shinji crucified Misato's cross( ;) ) in the end as something uniquely Misato, and maybe in hopes to meet her again.

Also, another odd thing about Misato... she's a genius. Just like everyone in EVA. Just look at her father. Yet no one notices. Why?


Does anyone have a pic of Maya staring at GNR in fascinated, rapt attention or am I doomed to keep using the search function with no success?

[EDIT] *kicks self* in the thread... that I started.. posten by you, Reichu. About Maya's emotions... ok, you win, but she does look ready to wizz herself. (*kick... kick... kick.. kick*)

[CyberNinja5]

I don't get this. At all. The concept of her being so dirtied seems to come from Ritsuko's snide comments (which are to relieve her own pain) and her ever being present with her old boyfriend (who flirts with anyone under the sun). It's not as though Misato gets around. She only sleeps with one man (she says so right before Kaji gives her the capsule), and she has very honest psychological problems associated with her limited sexuality. Why is she always painted by fans as a sleazebag? She seems like the purest and most honest character in the series.
I think that when they are separated they are pretty bad. But during the series when they got together it seemed like they became a little better and weren't as sleazy.

[Hekym]

The only thing that comes to my mind is the concept of "carrying the cross". Like it's some kind of burden that's been passed from father to daughter, and from surrogate mother to son.


Maybe it means "to be forgiven".

[Ornette]

Maybe it means "to be forgiven".
hmm, can you elaborate a little more on that? Do you mean it's given to someone as forgiveness or is it given to someone who needs to forgive?

[Hekym]

Well, I think the absence of forgivenesss plays a large role in NGE. (This is after I read the lyrics of "Come, Sweet Death" and found it representative of the guilt faced by many of the characters as well as lonliness- both things that even the brief instant of Instrumentality could provide. Obivously, the sense of having failed someone you love can easily be pushed into your past by accepting being forgiven.) The topic is conspicuously absent from dialogue and more obvious themes, so is probably being utilized in some underlying form. (Note: Yui tended to see the good in people, a sort of indirect forgiving, and she drove most of the plot of the series) Christian symbols such as crosses, although having the dual nature of being symbols of torment (in NGE, probably psycological damage), they are typically associated with the concept of being forgiven. I know Anno's use of such symbols is typically to punctuate scenes with a familiar, haunting sight. and hold no religious meaning. I don't think, however, that he would drop such an opportunity to employ such a popular dual interpretation.

Psychological torment is obvious- Katsuragi, Misato and Shinji were all torn between compassion (for family, surrogate children and friends) and their work.

As far as forgiving goes, I think the cross is worn by the person who is forgiving the one before them- or a least in torment over whether or not they should do so. Misato mentions that she both loves and hates her father, and struggles between bearing hatred of him and avenging his death. Clearly, the answer would be to forgive her father and go about her life. Maybe her father forgave himself when he saved her life, and so the burden is given to Misato, then Shinji. Note that Misato asks advice of "Kaji in Heaven" before she dies. This could be just Kaji (Misato would be free of the similarity between him and her father) or the Kaji/father combo we've been seeing (both worthy of asking advice of and being in Heaven).

Now Shinji basically gets the cross and a bunch of psycological confusion at the same time- Misato's smooch. To make a long story short, he both resents and loves her, and finally cares enough about others that he wants to see them all again and breaks from Instrumentality. I haven't seen EoE, but it seems possible that he forgave her and put the cross back on her gravemarker for that reason.

Otherwise, Anno could be manipulating the symbol of the cross as a torture device and making Misato just royally screwed up, an issue that comes back to her in the end.

Others probably feel immense internal guilt and want to be forgiven and accepted by other people (or one particular person, in Gendo's case) through Instrumentality. Gendo, Asuka and Ritsuko come to mind. This could be the real meaning for Instumentality, one that bears enough importance to the storyline to have two lousy final episodes ignore Anno's intended plot for a series and illustrate the concept.

Maybe Kaowru being killed is a form of being forgiven.

Feel free to edit my examples, I'm missing most of the dialogue from EoE.

EDIT: A minute of Instrumentality is enough for this sensation, I suppose. I don't think Shinji and Asuka rejected that, but were strong enoguh to take it and move on.

[jordica]

Back onto the subject, although it was answered with the quotes in the series of how she does fill the gaps with men and IS promiscuous, there are enough things about her character to make her seem such even if those parts were cut out. Just in the way she dressed and in her manner she was very flirtatious and definitely the only 'sexy' female character since the girls are too young and the other woman act too professional. She'll drink beer wearing loose garments and run around in them. She seemed promiscuous even before the fact that she was was revealed.

[Westlo]

Am I the only one who get's the feeling that someone heard Nelly + Timbalands song on radio, looked up Promiscuous at www.dictionary.com and thought the meaning might apply to Misato and TA DA NEW THREAD!

Furtado's next single is Maneater... will we get is Misato a maneater thread to go along with this one?......

[Hekym]

Just in the way she dressed and in her manner she was very flirtatious and definitely the only 'sexy' female character since the girls are too young and the other woman act too professional.

Everyone in this series (except maybe Asuka, Rei and Futsuyutski) has some promiscuous element to them (>>> Ritsuko). Misato just dresses and acts like a typical anime character. She might just have that programmed into her for the sake of popularity, as most of the slobbery has little bearing on the storyline.

[Mr. Tines]

Everyone in this series (except maybe Asuka, Rei and Futsuyutski)

Asuka does try her best to be like Misato, but her targets don't take up the offer.

[BLACKANGEL32076]

She was hanging out with him in #24 (you see them together in her car and at the Geofront bridge), but almost certainly nothing happened... During the Sweet Death sequence in EoE, Hyuga sees Misato come to get him, and the implications seem to be that people (aside from Aoba, of course) are seeing something desired, but unattained. Fuyutsuki and Yui. Maya and Ritsuko. Even Shinji: Before he Tangifies, Rei asks him, "What do you wish for?", and that thing is apparently Asuka, with particular focus on the bust. ;)

So evidently Misato had only gone totally sober, after the incident with Shinji she'd gone celibate as well despite the fact that there was a new boy toy readily available. :P

Just out of curiousity, does anyone see anything noble or good about Misa-chan? I just don't see why there is so much negetivity toward the woman. Yes, she is a flawed person. SO IS EVERYOEN ELSE IN THIS SERIES!!!

[Mr. sickVisionz]

I don't think she's promiscuous. Well... just looking at her and talking to her for like 10 minutes, i think she was easy. however, having gotten to know her over 26 episodes its very clear that she's not easy, a ****, or promicuous. When you're in your mid to late 20s or early 30s and you've only had sex with one person (despite being attractive and probally being bombarded by men on a daily basis), its hard for me to brand you as being easy, permiscuous or really ****ty in any way.

I'd put that label on Asuka WWAAAYYYYY before i'd put it on her. Misato doesn't even flirt really with guys outside of Kaji. Asuka actually physically throws herself at people and i've seen her actually start taking her clothes off trying to seduce multiple people.

[Ornette]

Asuka actually physically throws herself at people and i've seen her actually start taking her clothes off trying to seduce multiple people.
Who else besides Kaji?

[Mr. Tines]

Asuka actually physically throws herself at people and i've seen her actually start taking her clothes off trying to seduce multiple people.

Opening her bodice at Kaji: check.
Can't recall any undressing at Shinji.
And she aimed at no other targets.

With Misato's lusty approach to life, the idea that she was chaste for the best part of a decade strikes me as unlikely. Her own recriminations in Complementation supports this.

[Reichu]

With Misato's lusty approach to life, the idea that she was chaste for the best part of a decade strikes me as unlikely. Her own recriminations in Complementation supports this.
For those who missed them, see e.g. Post #2...

[Mr. sickVisionz]

In that episode where they goto the pool. She thrust her breast out at Shinji and is like, "if I warmed my hands and cupped them on my breast, would they contract or expand" to teach him thermal expansion. Thats not stipping, but for me its like you're exposing your body to someone in hopes of getting some sort of sexual feedback.

Then you have the other episode... I think its the one where Ritsuko, Kaji and Misato goto that wedding and Asuka and Shinji are left alone at the house. She tries to make out with Shinji for a lil bit.

That may or may not make her a **** (to me it does) but I'd label her actions as ****ty way before i'd label Misato as one.

[neoXellos]

eh, i just know if i was a hot female like misato...ind be a *****

[Reichu]

@Mr. sickVisionz: When you say "Misato", are you talking about the woman who sends Shinji a picture of herself leaning forward with an arrow directing attention to her cleavage?

[neoXellos]

heh i almost forgot about that heh

[Mr. sickVisionz]

@Mr. sickVisionz: When you say "Misato", are you talking about the woman who sends Shinji a picture of herself leaning forward with an arrow directing attention to her cleavage?

What episode is that scene from? Either way, I still don't really feel like misato is permiscuous. The show doesn't really make it seem like she's had alot of sexual relationships. It real deal seems like Kaji is the only guy she's had sex with. I can't say a woman who, regardless of how loose she may act, only has had sex with one person in her whole life is a ****.

[Ornette]

beginning of episode 1
http://www.tesuji.org/images/ep01_misato_postcard.jpg

[Reichu]

The show doesn't really make it seem like she's had alot of sexual relationships. It real deal seems like Kaji is the only guy she's had sex with. I can't say a woman who, regardless of how loose she may act, only has had sex with one person in her whole life is a ****.
If you can somehow explain away the expositional dialogue and its implications, be my guest. Right now you seem to be grabbing at straws just because you don't want Misato to be called a "5lut" (...did anyone actually call her that?).

[commisarp]

First off, Hello, Im a long time lurker and have been since a cirtain Sharp put me onto this forum. Anyway, right now its half one in the morning, and im at an anime con, and my insommnia has arived in force. And, to be Blunt, Im a Raveing Misato Fanboy, Ill admit that. Ill also attempt to make a reasonable and logical argument here. I realy will try. And as a side note. I have a great deal of respect for Reichu and a lot of the other frequent posters here, so... kinda daunting. All that said, I will now rant on about one of my pet subjects. (My spelling is poor, im sorry, I realy am, but you gain no e-points for pointing this out.)


It has been said, (tho not by anyone here of late) that Misato is uhm, of dubious virtue, shall we say.
I think there are a lot of reasons why this veiw is held. First off are what I call the periferal reasons.

Simply Misato provides the most fanservice: she has arguably the largest breasts, we see plenty of shots of her in a towl, in the bath, etc, the shot allways seems to find her cleavage or rear, she dresses in somewhat reavealing costume, she coined the phrase Fan Service (abhit out of charicter)

Firstly, I would like you to clense all these things from your mind. Were the shot is, or whatever are not reflections on the Charicter within the confinds of the “reality of the show” I guess I could phrase that better. Its my main point here, I hope its clear :D (Some of this “fan service seems realy tame compared to todays anime, but at the time... This is why the phrase fan service should be used for this level of stuff. The content of one of the latest ginax shows “he is my master” for example, should be classified as “Psudo porn” but thats a seperate argument)


Now I have dismissed that, we move on to the second point : Her outwardly flurtacious and playfull attatude. Here im talking, the initial teasing of shinjji, allowing Kenske and Toujji to see her in fairly revealing outfits when they come to collect shinjji, poseing when she arives at the perent teacher meating, etc This is just part of one of the main tenants of eva, the idea of an outward personality that sheilds others from seeing ones true self for fear of the pain that causes, we all know that though, im sure. In Reality though, we know that Misato is simply loanly the only thing keeping her going (at the start of the show) seems to be, beer, the companion ship of a penguin, and of cause an overbearing sence of duty to repay her father for his own self sacrafice. (I know, I know, I seem to be stateing fairly ovious facts, but I need to know if theres a problem with my grounding, and we all need to be reading from the same songbook, as it were)

Point... the next. : Of Shinjji.

In coronological order: The Poloroid. Anyone seriously think this was any sort of serious proposision is simply doing it wrong. This is the result of one half “Flurty outer attitude” and one half “Boys that age think with there penisis, dont they, this will hopefully spur him on to get here faster, so he can get to crushing the angels faster” I mean, Misatos not stupid, and shes not afraid to use her sex appeal (more on that later) to achieve goals, but not to extent of actually performing any indecent act. So maybe thats kinda Moraly Bankrupped, but its not permiscuous, or indeed ahem, ****ty. For all we know it could even have been in her Nerv training, use you ahem, assets, seems like the sort of thing that would come in handy for one of the more marshel personell in Nerv. (if EoE is anything to go by, the only one with any ability to resist without the aid of a Giant Cyborg to stomp around in (cyborg is the right word for an Eva, isnt it, I mean, they Useually rely on power and, you know, the massive implant that alows the piolet to be there). Inviteing Shinjji to live with her was 50% concern and 50% desire for companionship (not in that way, just to have someone to talk to etc). Now. Later on I do beleave Misato to an extent falls in love with shinjji, in a way, partly to fill a void left by Kajji, partly because Shinjjis apparent helplessness evokes a dorment sence of motherhood (I know, that sounds icky, but apparently, in a lot of relationships there is something of a mother-son relationship between the two partners. Or so have said phycologists more qualified then I. Now this might evoke “OH MY HES ONLY FORTEEN DIE DIE PEDOPHILE” Can we just clarify a few points: They say love is blind. Being attracted to somone is not something you can help. These things are more acceptable in Japan then in a lot of places (especially in the USA were I am given to understand meny peaple want to burn these peaple at the steak) (as I was typeing that, somone drove bye with the F**K Yeah song from Team America world police blearing out, I find that highly amuseing). Most importently, by this point in the series, Misato has been through a LOT. So what if hes only 14, if your gonna treat somone as an adult, by, you know placeing most of the burden of responability for minkind on them. Then.dont be hypocritical. Plus, when Shinjji makes it clear hes not interested. (I am talking about the hand holding sceane here, in case anyone was lost) She backs right off. Most Real world Pedophiles you hear of go round RAPEING children. These peaple SHOULD be burnt at the steak. Which Finally brings me to the infamous kiss sceane. This is possibly one of the most powerfull sceanes in eva. The Kiss, I would rationalise two fold. Firstly “My driving purpose has allways been to set things right in a sort of karmic sence with my father, I have lernt that these crasy SEELE peaple are responsible for the “Accident” that killed him. Shinjji is now the only one who can spoil there day. Maybe if I kiss him and promise to have sex with him, he will do better at this. And secondly “I find myself falling in a strange sort of love with shinjji, my lungs are filling with blood, ill be dammed if I dont kiss him before I die” You going to begrudge a dieing woman a kiss because of an age diffrence? If so, welcome to heartless land, population you, have a terrible day.

Gosh this post is long.

Now onto, Kaji.

Kaji – as far as we can tell, was the first real love of Misatos life. Sure. They spent a whole week just having sex. But, they were students. Students do a lot of crasy things. And it was with the one man she loved. Then when he came Back into her life, yep, she used him because she was in a very low point emotionally. And yep, it was somewhat, Idont know, weak or cowardly. But how, exactly was it ****ty, she was blatently still in love, the overreaction “OH MY I HATE KAJI” is enough proof of that. And theres allmost no evidence I can see for the 100s of relationships its seemingly assumed by some she had between her leaveing Kaji, and the events of episode 1. I mean sure, she COULD have had a string of lovers to the door. But that dosent seem likely. First off, not many peaple live in Tokyo-3 that dont work in or for nerv. Secondly, we see no evidence of sexual tention with anyone at nerv, except Kaji, and Huuga, who I will come on to. Who? Who are these men who dont work at nerv, yet have a chance of meeting misato, who wouldent mind being braught back to that appartment in its slobyglory... It has the definate feal of a “Batchalorette pad” (I hate that word. But I hardly think Spinster is appropriate) So I guess its possible, and if there were one or two other men in that time frame, which there might have been... thats still not necerraly ****ty.

Finally, Huga.

Huga is essentally, A Fanboy, he Idolises Misato, but can never bring himself to say anything. Misato, for her part, is aware of this, and uses her charms to get info through Huga (it is possible she was Nieave to Hugas lustings, but I doubt it) Thats not realy that ****ty. She dosent “perform sexual favours for info” she just asks him nicely to help her out, and he obliges. If anything, its a fault in poor Hugas charicter rather then hers.

To Close:

If you read this far, thanks, I know this is far, far too long. I have seen the point about the exposision lines in the Tv End. I can point out a few problems with that, first “I may just have been using you” Note may – she is unsure in herself what she was doing. The line “any man will do” I find significant in that it comes from Huga, I think that shows Misatos fear of falling from grace in his eyes, and by association, all her other colleagues at nerv (Ritsuko nonwithstanding, as Ritsuko is a freand and not just a colleague).

Oh and, Ristuko is the only real one having sex for all the wrong reasons or is the “Im doing it with my boss whos much older then me, and I dispise and was also my late mothers lover, simply to gain information and secure my possision higher up the “need to know” tree.” not ****ty enough for you?

[Reichu]

Oh and, Ristuko is the only real one having sex for all the wrong reasons or is the “Im doing it with my boss whos much older then me, and I dispise and was also my late mothers lover, simply to gain information and secure my possision higher up the “need to know” tree.” not ****ty enough for you?
Ritsuko apparently had the hots for Gendo before she even joined Nerv. I'm not sure where you're coming up with most of the above.

[commisarp]

I admittedly dont have the series to hand, but I dont Recall anything that would suggest she fanced him before she joined Nerv. However, we do know that she hates Gendo eventaully (hence destroying the Rei's, and the stand off at the end of EoE) And, she cirtainly knows more about whats going on then allmost anyone else at Nerv, stuff she is simply to young to have had first time expreance of.

Meh. I suppose I made a bit of a metal leap at some point. But at least your picking holes in the slightly flippent comment at the end of the post, rather then the bulk of it.

[Shin-seiki]

I admittedly dont have the series to hand, but I dont Recall anything that would suggest she fanced him before she joined Nerv.Read this (http://animenation.net/forums/showthread.php?t=170703&page=7&pp=15), starting with post #101, and on thru the next page. However, we do know that she hates Gendo eventaully (hence destroying the Rei's, and the stand off at the end of EoE)Er, for that matter, just read the whole thread (http://animenation.net/forums/showthread.php?t=170703&page=1&pp=15)

[Reichu]

:chants: Finish the thread, finish the thread!!!

[Spikeship]

Hey, this change of discussion just made me think of something. Remember that scene where Ritsuko is spying on Gendo and Naoko and sees them kissing. Is it possible that ritsuko soon afterward fetched Rei to pull the “old hag” gag because she was jealous of their relationship and wanted her mother to be angry with Gendo?

[commisarp]

Ok, So the last three/four lines of my big post, I retract them. It was a slightly flippent comment based on haveing a paralell argument with somone else over instant messageing. You have clearly reserched this perticular point very carefully. You win this one Established posters!

[BLACKANGEL32076]

At this point I do want to throw one thing back on the table;

Why does Ritsuko seem to get a pass in so far as judgement of sexual morals are concerned? Yes, she isn't as outwardly flurty as Misa-chan, althought that shirt and mini-skirt is pretty revealing, she isn't as pure as the driven snow either. Yes, others have said more or less the same thing, yet I don't remember a "Ritsuko Promiscuous" thread anywhere.

[CanonRAP]

Hey, this change of discussion just made me think of something. Remember that scene where Ritsuko is spying on Gendo and Naoko and sees them kissing. Is it possible that ritsuko soon afterward fetched Rei to pull the “old hag” gag because she was jealous of their relationship and wanted her mother to be angry with Gendo?

That actually sounds interesting, but my NGE set has been borrowed by a friend, so I have no way of getting more info.

Ok, So the last three/four lines of my big post, I retract them. It was a slightly flippent comment based on haveing a paralell argument with somone else over instant messageing. You have clearly reserched this perticular point very carefully. You win this one Established posters!

I have no idea how they can do that 'instant-pulling-up-of-relevant-evidence' thing.

[Ornette]

Hey, this change of discussion just made me think of something. Remember that scene where Ritsuko is spying on Gendo and Naoko and sees them kissing. Is it possible that ritsuko soon afterward fetched Rei to pull the “old hag” gag because she was jealous of their relationship and wanted her mother to be angry with Gendo?
It looks like 2 years have elapsed between the voyeur bridge scene and the first appearance of Rei I.

ep21'
Text on screen: 2008
Ritsuko on a train, she says she's joining Gehirn, congrats to mother for Magi theorems
Ritsuko lost in Gehirn
Gendo and Naoko making out on bridge while Ritsuko watches from above

Text on screen: 2010
Gendo and Rei I, Gendo tells Rei that "this is Gehirn headquarters"
Naoko and Ritsuko walk up, they meet Rei for the first time, Ritsuko says "Hello Rei, I'm Ritsuko"
Naoko realizes that Rei resembles someone
Naoko and Ritsuko are on the bridge looking at the Magi, Naoko tells her she's finished and that they are the 3 aspects of herself.
Ritsuko tells Naoko that she's going out with Misato (note that she shows absolutely no malice here)
Rei I walks in, old hag bit.
Naoko kills Rei then does a dive off the bridge.

[neoXellos]

lol...can we all accept the fact that misato is human and makes mistakes just like all of us...

[Reichu]

I think there is a tacit assumption that human beings are flawed creatures, so there is no need to dwell upon the point. http://www.evacommentary.org/forums/images/smiles/ehh.gif

[Mr. sickVisionz]

Has anyone else noticed that whenever Gendo needs something, he finds a high ranking woman and proceeds to sleep with her? Yui, Ritsuko, and Naoko were all chicks that Gendo boned almost not even out of lust, but just to get either more access to things that he wanted.

[Reichu]

Has anyone else noticed that whenever Gendo needs something, he finds a high ranking woman and proceeds to sleep with her? Yui, Ritsuko, and Naoko were all chicks that Gendo boned almost not even out of lust, but just to get either more access to things that he wanted.
You're making assumptions about Gendo's motivations and character. "Deeper. Go deeper."

Read the thread that was linked to, like, MERE posts ago, too. Come on, bro, YOU CAN DO IT!

[Hekym]

Has anyone else noticed that whenever Gendo needs something, he finds a high ranking woman and proceeds to sleep with her? Yui, Ritsuko, and Naoko were all chicks that Gendo boned almost not even out of lust, but just to get either more access to things that he wanted.

Except Yui. He didn't really start that until after the accident. All he ever wanted was to see her again. He didn't care about the other two. Naoko, however, was far more selfish than Ritsuko ever was...

EDIT: actually, part of me wonders if Yui was using Gendo. I'm sure that they were in love, however.

[Hekym]

Ok new point. Assuming that the Reis that appeared to Ritsuko and Misato were Instrumentality transcending time and space, is it possible that Misato saw Kaji before death? There's a line with her talking to "Kaji in heaven" and it makes me wonder if she was seeing him.

(I wonder who Ritsuko would have seen....)

Anyway, if Misato does indeed see Kaji instead of a mass orgy or beer or similar nonsense, it would sugest that she is at heart a relatively chaste human being.

[Magami No ER]

I've thought that as well, I just find it weird that she looks up the other away, not facing the Rei.