Do you guys think DVD's will last longer than Vhs? [Archive]

Soluzar

August 1st, 2006, 01:16 AM

It's an interesting question, because DVDs don't have the multitude of inherent limitations that VHS has. If you watch a VHS regularly, it won't be long before it degrades. It doesn't matter how well you keep it, it will degrade. A DVD on the other hand, lasts much longer. They don't last forever, DO NOT buy into that hype, but they last a lot longer than VHS ever would, even if you play them every day.

For that reason, there's no real need to ever switch from DVD. The only reason to move to a new format is because eventually the studios will stop releasing things on DVD. I worked in a video store right around the time that studios stopped releasing thingss on VHS, and believe me when I say that some customers were pissed off. That's going to happen again, soon, and on a much larger scale this time, because DVD still represents an attractive format, unlike VHS.

seba_boi

August 1st, 2006, 01:27 AM

I hope so... My entire movie collection is on DVDs...

Leader Desslock

August 1st, 2006, 01:50 AM

I personally don't see what the new formats have to offer that I'm not getting right now. I don't intend to switch any time in the next several years at a minimum. If I ever DID switch, then I'd only do so for a player that played both DVD and the new format (whichever one wins). I certainly would never buy any of my existing titles in the new format.

Of course, for me, switching is a purely academic point until one or the other formats wins the war. I didn't get involved with VHS/BETA, and I'm not getting involved with this. There's no point. Once there's a clear winner and the other format is relegated to a museum, maybe I'll take an interest. Not before. I'll continue to buy my titles on standard DVD until then.

If a title I want is not released on DVD because the studio tries to strongarm me into choosing a format before I'm ready - they can keep it. I don't need to see or rent own any title that badly, much less own it.

Suiko Eiji

August 1st, 2006, 06:22 AM

How long do you guys think when someone will make somethin better than DVD's? Didnt Vhs just last like 10 years till almost everybody stoped usin them? Just wonderin

VHS had a life span of 25 years, with about 15 of that being the market standard.

HD-DVD and Blu-Ray development produced products last year, giving DVD a lifespan of only six or seven years. Market releases of both formats have begun this year. A new format war begins to see which will be the new standard. I'll give Lord Dagoth's theory creedence - I agree that within three to six years, there will be a new market standard. The question is - how long will we stay with that format?

Raziel_MGS

August 1st, 2006, 06:51 AM

i was at best buy watching both blu ray and hd, its just another bump towards perfection, itll be worth it in the future. The audio was a larger increase than video

goddessofanime

August 1st, 2006, 03:45 PM

VHS is already gone.

Unless the new format comes in an affordable package, I will not be buying Blue Ray/HD anytime soon.

MonkeyBoy0314

August 1st, 2006, 04:38 PM

I freakin' hope so, man!

Depression

August 1st, 2006, 05:54 PM

The question is - how long will we stay with that format?

Ultra Definition is already in the works.

TV - 480 horizontal scan lines
HDTV - 1080
Ultra - 4,000

Film - I think 5000

Animematt55

August 1st, 2006, 06:05 PM

I am saving up to get ready for the change. I want a nice big HD tv.
but of course saving is hard ^^

I worked in Media Play, and we had a very small VHS section. Mostly really old stuff that sold for like $1. But some of the new stuff still was released on VHS..like the Ring series comes to mind.

kenshinbebop

August 1st, 2006, 06:07 PM

Animematt55

August 1st, 2006, 06:09 PM

About 75% of my local video rental store is still VHS. It pisses me off. :lol: I unhooked my VCR a while ago...I don't like having to drag it back out.

But yeah, just the other day I saw HDDVD's and Blue-Rays at Best Buy, and they have a moderate selection already, so I'd give it about 10 more years, no later. Maybe earlier.
yeah, and rememebr the PS3 is goign to be blueray isnt it? It seems to be coming fairly fast.

I remember some custoemrs yelled at me for not having a biggre selection of VHS. I mean, come on...i havent even watched a VHS or had a VCR in years.

SUPE12MAN23

August 2nd, 2006, 04:41 PM

Too bad they just wont stay with DVD's =( My collection is just all DVD's now and I bought some of the same movies I had in VHS to DVD so that I never have to use a VHS ever again.

MagicianCamille

August 2nd, 2006, 04:43 PM

VHS is already gone.

Tell that to Techrobo. :lol:

Soluzar

August 2nd, 2006, 05:04 PM

Too bad they just wont stay with DVD's =( My collection is just all DVD's now and I bought some of the same movies I had in VHS to DVD so that I never have to use a VHS ever again.

If HD-DVD becomes the new standard (which it will) you'll still be able to use all of those DVDs. Problem, what problem?

Sendo Takeshi

August 2nd, 2006, 05:09 PM

I personally don't see what the new formats have to offer that I'm not getting right now. I don't intend to switch any time in the next several years at a minimum. If I ever DID switch, then I'd only do so for a player that played both DVD and the new format (whichever one wins). I certainly would never buy any of my existing titles in the new format.

Both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are backwards compatible with DVD. They also spruce up the DVD quality to near HD quality.

But just like Dess, I have no interest in switching right now. And chances are both will kill each other off. Thats if no one is the clear winner. Only porn will decide this battle. And even thats a tossup at the moment.

I really don't see why we need such an upgrade when DVD hasn't been out for nearly as long as VHS. But, of course, it all has to do with money.

The only good thing coming out of both is smaller and thinner cases. Thats it really.

HSaabedra

August 2nd, 2006, 05:12 PM

The Million Dollar Prons

August 2nd, 2006, 05:12 PM

If HD-DVD becomes the new standard (which it will) you'll still be able to use all of those DVDs. Problem, what problem?

The problem is that I have to give Big-Japanese Salaryman more of my money, which he will use to line a teenager-striper's g-string, which is very heartwarming

Soluzar

August 2nd, 2006, 05:31 PM

I see HD-DVD as a Trojan horse for Microsoft's laughable attempt at licensing fees. If HD-DVD became the new standard, I would not buy into it simply because the WMV-HD format is inferior to actual H.264 and leads the way to DRM hell. I buy DVD's but prefer ripping to H.263/4 for less space and the same image quality as MPEG-2 since I use my cellphone as my portable media player.There is much that has merit in what you say, but formats that are supported by Sony never survive, it seems.DVD upconversion is a joke.Well of course it is. I don't understand why anyone thinks otherwise. You can't use an algorythm to put in the quality that was never there in the first place.Both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are backwards compatible with DVD.
You are certain of this? I'd heard that Blu-Ray was not.They also spruce up the DVD quality to near HD quality.That is of limited value at best. You're still limited by the quality of the source, and sometimes certain DVDs aren't exactly pushing the envelope of DVD-quality, if you know what I mean.

HSaabedra

August 2nd, 2006, 05:54 PM

The laser assembly in Blu-Ray is built to read standard DVD discs.
As far as Sony formats surviving, it's true that the mass market does not adopt them willingly, but are hits in their native region. I personally love MiniDisc and will continue to buy units ande recorders since I've been using them up until I got my Sharp V903 a couple months ago.

Fobb

August 2nd, 2006, 06:09 PM

I doubt DVD is gonna have the limelight much longer after the release of Blue Ray

VidelCoolGirl

August 2nd, 2006, 06:16 PM

I hope so... My entire movie collection is on DVDs...

Same here. I have my old school VHS, but I love my anime DVD's.

P.S. Still love your Avatar.

Haro!

August 2nd, 2006, 06:36 PM

I'm getting that internal blue-ray drive thats coming out later this month. I'm a Sony ***** that's why. And I got a lot of stuff to back up and I'm tired of the small space on DVDs.

HSaabedra

August 2nd, 2006, 06:42 PM

Already got it. Its everything we wanted in storage.

Haro!

August 2nd, 2006, 06:45 PM

Already got it. Its everything we wanted in storage.

Its out already? Oh man I gotta jump on that.

HSaabedra

August 2nd, 2006, 07:01 PM

Its out already? Oh man I gotta jump on that.
Imported mine with help from friends.

Soluzar

August 2nd, 2006, 07:19 PM

Already got it. Its everything we wanted in storage.So how much will it cost you for a recordable Blu-Ray drive? I guess that's what you're talking about, is it?

Lord Dagoth

August 2nd, 2006, 07:22 PM

Yeah, I'm curious at how much you paid for it.

Animematt55

August 2nd, 2006, 07:41 PM

How much will blueray disks run? Also....How much space will one disc hold?

HSaabedra

August 2nd, 2006, 07:44 PM

$2200 for a 1x (@15 MBps) BD-R, BD-RE, DVD+-R/RW, and CD-RW drive. Media is at $50 per disc for 25GB single layer. Mind you, I import blank media from Japan.

Animematt55

August 2nd, 2006, 07:51 PM

wow....taht is....like...expensive.
That is more than i paid for my computer

HSaabedra

August 2nd, 2006, 07:54 PM

Meh. I wanted it I got it, simple as that.

Depression

August 2nd, 2006, 08:46 PM

The thing about BR and HDVD is that it doesn't render your DVD collection useless. The players will be backwards compatible.

jedisolo

August 2nd, 2006, 09:18 PM

I'm just going to wait till the price drops then I'll buy one.

Suiko Eiji

August 3rd, 2006, 07:02 AM

$2200 for a 1x (@15 MBps) BD-R, BD-RE, DVD+-R/RW, and CD-RW drive. Media is at $50 per disc for 25GB single layer. Mind you, I import blank media from Japan.

I've always supported Blu-Ray as a great storage medium and I think we'll see the market split to HD-DVD for home video (Soluzar, like you, I've only read that HD-DVD is backwards compatible) and Blu-Ray for home storage, once everything settles.

However, I can hold onto my DVD burner for a little bit longer to wait until the media and hardware costs for Blu-Ray come down a little more.

VSh

August 3rd, 2006, 07:42 AM

DVD replacement technology will go only when drive costs less than $70 and media less than $1. Actually DVD is not so bad. I am ready to wait until that http://colossalstorage.net/, for example.

dr ochanomizu

August 4th, 2006, 06:33 AM

How long do you guys think when someone will make somethin better than DVD's? Didnt Vhs just last like 10 years till almost everybody stoped usin them? Just wonderin
When you begin arguing about BR and HD-DVD as a new medium for the future, you are ALREADY BEHIND. You better be planning for HDV (Holographic Versatile Disk).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc

THE TRUTH IS THE TECHNOLOGY MARCHES ON!!

TS

HSaabedra

August 4th, 2006, 09:14 AM

HVD is vaporware, and not targeted for consumer use.

Amuro

August 4th, 2006, 10:40 AM

Suiko Eiji

August 4th, 2006, 10:51 AM

I'd like to point out that DVDs don't last forever.

Unless I'm mistaken, they degrade over a period of [50?] years no matter what you do with them. It might not seem like a big deal, but if you feel like rewatching your anime collection when you retire, you might have a probem.

I'm probably incorrect, but I think it is 50 years at low-play rates; I think at the highest, it is 10 years. Can't remember where I am getting those figures, though...

sailornyanko

August 4th, 2006, 03:59 PM

Meh, the only thing really coming for Blu-ray or HD is that they could store more sub and dub tracks. They won't change the amount of episodes of anime on discs.

Haro!

August 4th, 2006, 08:42 PM

It will all boil down to what format the porn industry supports.
Axl, why didt you just wait for the drive to come out in America? Its only 750US and the media is cheaper.

HSaabedra

August 4th, 2006, 09:56 PM

I'm the consummate early adopter. I also have money to burn.

Soluzar

August 4th, 2006, 10:00 PM

I'd like to point out that DVDs don't last forever.
My comment is not specifically addressed to you, but it follows naturally from what you've said. As well as the longevity issues of the DVD format, the DVD-R format is far worse. The best case scenario is that your DVD-R media will last three years. A far more realistic scenario, especially if you are using cheap media, is six months.

The estimated three year lifespan is based on second-hand information, but I have first-hand experience of extremely fast DVD-R degradation. Bear in mind that the media in question were not scratched, nor exposed to extremes of temperature. That's something I was surprised, not to say somewhat dissapointed to learn.

SUPE12MAN23

August 5th, 2006, 03:30 AM

I'd like to point out that DVDs don't last forever.

Unless I'm mistaken, they degrade over a period of [50?] years no matter what you do with them. It might not seem like a big deal, but if you feel like rewatching your anime collection when you retire, you might have a probem.

How do you know if DVD's wont last atleast what, 50 years? Dvd's have only been out for like 10 years or so and the only way for them to have problems playing on your DVD player is that if their scratched. Or if you use ps2 as a DVD player lol

Soluzar

August 5th, 2006, 03:57 AM

How do you know if DVD's wont last atleast what, 50 years? Dvd's have only been out for like 10 years or so and the only way for them to have problems playing on your DVD player is that if their scratched. Or if you use ps2 as a DVD player lolExtrapolation. You take the degree of degradation that occurs within a year, and you extrapolate the degree of degradation that would theoretically occur for a given time. While the degree of degradation that takes place within a year (or even 5 years) is not going to render the disc unplayable under normal circumstances, it's still measurable.

drgenestarwind

August 6th, 2006, 08:32 PM

except for VHS, i prefer analog media. pen and paper, vinyl records... new digital formats will just create more to buy, until it becomes very mainstream i probably wont get anything to do with it, it might be nice to back up all my laptop's media on a single disk, and do it cheaply.

Techrobo

August 7th, 2006, 04:51 PM

I have a large collection of legal, quasi-legal, and blatantly illegal VHS tapes I have acquired over the years of my fandom - or else taped myself - and I am loath to part with them. Like Jethro Tull, I'm living in the past. Quite suitable for a man who still considers himself a historian of sorts.

Sorry if I bumped the thread, but I only recently became aware of it.

master terrence

August 7th, 2006, 11:12 PM

^I'm voting you as "smartest" on the "AN awards" thread in the PB&G forum.

Bah. DVD's have two uses you know. They are like the modern floppy disk, quick to burn and easy to read.

jordica

August 8th, 2006, 04:05 AM

Like the first response said, HDDVD and Blu-Ray are already out and being brought to the mass-market. That aside, I hate disks because they scratch up way too easily. Hopefully there will be, or is, some sort of like zip-drive alternative of sorts.

HSaabedra

August 8th, 2006, 04:57 AM

Magnetic tape based media is never good for long term archival because of the degradation of the tape stock

Techrobo

August 8th, 2006, 03:25 PM

Magnetic tape based media is never good for long term archival because of the degradation of the tape stock
True, thats why government and mainstream news cameras switched to all digital so much faster than the world did. It was much easier for them to share and reuse footage that way without having to constantly back it up with re-recordings.

I personally just can't part with my tapes because of sentimental reasons. I have DVD copies of a great number of the series, movies, and OVAs I have on tape, but I still keep the tapes. In many ways its just like my music collection: I have 'The Wall' on CD, and listen to it regularly, but I treasure the vinyl copy I own much more...

I'm voting you as "smartest" on the "AN awards" thread in the PB&G forum.

Thank you. I was in need of an ego-boost today, and I appretiate that. I have been getting around to compiling a list of my votes, but I need to set it all in stone.