Are any of you following Ideon?

[Soluzar]

As I'm sure you all know, Hideaki Anno has cited Tomino's Space Runaway Ideon as one of the major influences of his work. I'm sure you're all aware that Ideon is currently being fansubbed by the good folks at Shin-Getter (http://www.shin-getter.net/) Fansubs. I'd would have expected at least some of you to take a look, even if only to see if you can spot the influence. Others of you may be mecha fans in general, and might download it for that reason.

Whatever the reason, I'd hazard a guess that there are at least a few of you watching, and so far, I'd guess you haven't really seen a lot of elements that could be said to have influenced Evangelion, right?

Well, I've had the chance to see the next episode a little early, since I'm timing the subs for it. Prons, if you're reading this, I'm almost done. This is an interesting episode, and it's the most clear example so far of an influence on Evangelion. You'll know it when you see it, and I'd like to know if you agree with me. I'm not going to spoil anything for ya, but I'll be back with screencaps when everyone has had a chance to watch this episode.

So far, there have been little things here and there that indicated that it was an anime which could have insprired and influeneced Anno during the creation of Eva, but nothing so obviously similar as this. I don't mean to imply any kind of a rip-off, or lack of originality either, because the scenes in question are at least as different as they are similar. It's still an interesting correlation, though.

I'll be fascinated to hear all of your thoughts. I don't think there's any real need to post to just tell me that you're not watching Ideon, though, unless you're planning to start soon. I'm really interested in the opinions of those who have seen at least some of the series, and preferably those who are up-to date, and likely to watch this episode.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Well, you can see some similiarties like A tragic "everyone becoming one entity" ending, "giant god" robots that are powered with souls, they have extremly powerful barriers, and other similarities

There's also some things that more "eva-educated" people can spot that I can't, but if you look close enough you can see it.

[Soluzar]

That's just in the general sense, though, and in any case, it's only in the recent episodes that we've even begun to learn those things. Specifically, I was referring to this episode because there's something here that is specifically similar. It's also interesting to note that both series take a turn away from physical concerns to more metaphysical issues during the final phase.

[Vaikyuko]

I've got all the way to 20 (need to get all the currently released eps - Prons, you definitely need batch torrents XD), but I've only watched up to 13. So far, good stuff, although I've yet to make connections to EVA readily (prolly because I watched EVA like...a year ago, perhaps two).

But Ideon's a classic. It's Ideon. I mean, the name alone is fun (and universally imploding) to say. Ideon.

@Prons: No chance of you guys pulling a Nipponsei and putting up the OP single, eh? I found a link to the OP song alone on 4chan, but it was TV size and prolly cut from your subs.

[MagicianCamille]

you definitely need batch torrents XD

We HAVE batch torrents.

[Tidusauron12]

^You're part of Shin too?

[Soluzar]

You're part of Shin too?

The name of the group is "Shin-Getter", not "Shin". It was named after the classic super robot, and Camille is a founding member. I'm a little more recent, though I consider myself more of an itinerant helper than a member, really. Timing's easy, most people could do it with some practice. It's just time-consuming.

[Tidusauron12]

^I know the title... I'm just too lazy to type getter at the end, lol.

[Soluzar]

^I know the title... I'm just too lazy to type getter at the end, lol.

You didn't say, have you been watching? If you haven't, then I'd say that it's not exactly similar to Evangelion overall, but it's got plot elements in it that you'd find familiar.

The torrents (batch and single) are available on AnimeSuki. Normally they'd be available on IRC too, but right at the moment, they are not. Hopefully soon.

[Tidusauron12]

You didn't say, have you been watching? If you haven't, then I'd say that it's not exactly similar to Evangelion overall, but it's got plot elements in it that you'd find familiar.

The torrents (batch and single) are available on AnimeSuki. Normally they'd be available on IRC too, but right at the moment, they are not. Hopefully soon.

I'm watching ideon, but I'm on 4 right now. Also, I've seen some later scenes on random internet sites. I can see the relations between the two animes, and they are pretty obvious.

So far, which do you like better?

[Soluzar]

So far, which do you like better?

Well, I don't think I could say that I like either one of them more than the other. Evangelion was one of the first mecha series I saw. Mobile Suit Gundam was one of the others, although I didn't see the end until years later. Gundam Wing was the next one, but I don't talk about that. :P

I'm not very good at picking favourites, really. Because of the nostalgia factor, those two shows are kind of my favourites, but for completely different reasons, Gunbuster, Zeta Gundam, and GaoGaiGar are also my favourites. Ideon is a favourite too. The best I could do was to say that those six are my favourites, in no particular order.

I'll explain what I like about each series the best. I'll start with the music. Both OP songs are equally amazing, as far as I'm concerned, but Evangelion takes the prize for music overall. When it comes to the main mecha designs, I'd also have to say that Evangelion wins there as well. I prefer the look of the Evangelions over that of the Giant God.

Where Ideon scores big points for me is the quality of the battle scenes. It's something that Tomino is noted for, and Ideon merely confirms that reputation. They aren't shiny and smooth like the scenes you'd see in Gundam SEED, but they are dynamic and exciting. I also love watching the three Ide-machines dock to form the Giant God. Weaponry is another thing that you've got to love about Ideon. Evangelions always look great, but most of the time, the most they get to use in the way of weapons is a machine gun or a prog knife. I don't wish to spoil anything for those of you who haven't seen the later episodes yet, so I'll keep quiet on the topic of what weaponry the Ideon has, but it's certainly impressive.

When it comes to the story, it's impossible to say which one I like the most, because they aren't really similar in terms of the overall plot. Evangelion is the story of how a young boy eventually managed to find some self-respect, and in the process, saved the world by piloting a giant mecha. Ideon is the story of a band of refugees, fleeing for their lives, with the most powerful weapon in the galaxy. The complexity of Evangelion comes from the ways in which the sci-fi elements of the story allow us to see into the psychological drama inside the mind of the characters, whereas the complexity of Ideon comes from what we discover about the nature of the Ide itself. I haven't yet seen all of Ideon, so I can't comment on how that eventually resolves, but so far I like both stories equally.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

@Prons: No chance of you guys pulling a Nipponsei and putting up the OP single, eh? I found a link to the OP song alone on 4chan, but it was TV size and prolly cut from your subs.


We have a thread in our forum with the direct download rapidshare links to the Ideon series, Symphonic and Be Invoked OSTs.

We're workin on the next batch, it should be out tonight, because we don't have our FTP or Bots (Because DeltaAnime just doesn't like me anymore) I was unable to make it myself.

Props to TidusAuron for getting his wife to trasnalate for us. =)

[Mr. Tines]

Ideon was my "gateway drug" into the world of fansubs - I'm up to ep 33 and hoping we will get the movies as well; though I was long ago spoiled by Quiddity's site.

[Ark]

I've watched all of the fansubbed episodes so far.

It's a little repetative but is still very entertaining in contrast to something like Noir which is repetative and boring.Though I've felt that they haven't really done enough with the time so far. There's only six episodes left and the plot doesn't really seem to have developed much.

However in terms of the EVA connection I haven't really seen one yet and as I understand it all that is really taken from Ideon are a couple of plot devices. It's literally just two things which really only come into play at the end of both series.

I'm not trying to hijack the thread by going off on a rant but it seems a false comparison to compare Eva's similarities with Ideon to Eva's similarities with RahXephon.

[Ornette]

I have several of the episodes downloaded but haven't gotten around to watching them yet (was planning on doing a complete 1 or 2 day marathon). I made an attempt to watch "A Contact" some time ago but couldn't get into it at all, probably because of how poor the translation was, Prons said it was a bootleg, and I believe him. Do you guys plan on subbing both "A Contact" and "Be Invoked"?

[Vaikyuko]

@MC: I'm aware. =p

@Prons: Schweet. I need to lurk around you guys more often. :lurk:

[MagicianCamille]

Do you guys plan on subbing both "A Contact" and "Be Invoked"?

That's the plan.

[Soluzar]

Do you guys plan on subbing both "A Contact" and "Be Invoked"?

I can't imagine Quiddity (the translator) settling for anything less.

However in terms of the EVA connection I haven't really seen one yet and as I understand it all that is really taken from Ideon are a couple of plot devices. It's literally just two things which really only come into play at the end of both series.
Ya know, until episode 34, I was thinking along kind of the same lines. You ain't seen nothing yet. Wait until you've see this episode, and then tell me the same, if you can.]

[Dr. Nick]

I've watched all of the fansubbed episodes so far.

It's a little repetative but is still very entertaining in contrast to something like Noir which is repetative and boring.Though I've felt that they haven't really done enough with the time so far. There's only six episodes left and the plot doesn't really seem to have developed much.

Same thing here (except I didn't find Noir boring. So what if they spent an entire episode drinking tea. It was... menacing.) Some of the battles are nicely choreographed (gotta love that omnidirectional missile attack), but there's still too much repetition for me. For example, episode 33 was already the second time Buff Clan tries to use local wildlife to defeat Ideon. What are you dorks, 80's super robot villains?

There are some pieces of incredibly groovy BGM, though, which is always a big plus. :P

[Ark]

Same thing here (except I didn't find Noir boring. So what if they spent an entire episode drinking tea. It was... menacing.) :P

I'd rather watch Alice in Wonderland (which is referenced in that episode) 26 times then watch Noir again.

[Ark]

Ya know, until episode 34, I was thinking along kind of the same lines. You ain't seen nothing yet. Wait until you've see this episode, and then tell me the same, if you can.]

But I already know what the similarities are I just haven't seen them yet. My point is that they are few and concentrated at the end of both series unlike in RahXephon where the similarities to Eva are many and all over the place.

[Quiddity]

Ah, Ideon talk makes Quiddity happy.

Yes, episode 34 makes a pretty blatant observation about the true nature of the Ide although they have made some passing references to it earlier (end of ep 27 for example). And that is...

That the Ide is in fact the entire 6th Civilization, hundreds of millions of people, evolved into a single perfect entity

Even though it doesn't want to admit it to Bes, the Ide is purposely putting the Earthlings and Buff Clan against each other by generating meteors to launch at both planets. And the fact that the whole point of the fighting (obtain or destroy the Giant God which possesses the infinite power Ide) is the Ide itself.

Bes comments that he'll go against the Ide's will if necessary. Interesting parallel to Shinji going against instrumentality in EOE. Will Bes be able to go against the Ide's will? Won't tell you! :P

It's a little repetative but is still very entertaining in contrast to something like Noir which is repetative and boring.Though I've felt that they haven't really done enough with the time so far. There's only six episodes left and the plot doesn't really seem to have developed much.


I'd agree that if there's one big flaw in Ideon, its that they don't handle their time good enough. There's too much concentrated in the last 6 episodes in comparison to the first 33 episodes and even then, the show pretty much blows up with a 'deus ex machina' ending due to it being cancelled. Luckily the movie fixes the ending. Its a lot like MS Gundam where many of the early eps can't come close to the later ones, reducing their re-watchability (even I admit that the first 10 eps of Ideon are way too slow)

That said, the last 6 episodes are a blast. The only real downer is ep 35, although even that one includes some great action (Buff Clan and the Earth Military launching an entire moon at the Ideon & Solo Ship)


However in terms of the EVA connection I haven't really seen one yet and as I understand it all that is really taken from Ideon are a couple of plot devices. It's literally just two things which really only come into play at the end of both series.

I'm not trying to hijack the thread by going off on a rant but it seems a false comparison to compare Eva's similarities with Ideon to Eva's similarities with RahXephon.

Well they're pretty big 'plot devices'! Eva's themes of Instrumentality, Human Evolution, End of the World, Over the top gruesome deaths of beloved characters, and the need for kids to pilot the mecha(with much more of a reason than the teen suddenly finds a giant robot, so prevelent in anime) all key themes in Eva, were all done in Ideon. Plus calling the mecha a God, the Barrier/AT Field, tons of nudity, real life footage (although admittingly Eva used a heck of a lot more than Ideon did!) and Kasha's behavior is very similar to Asuka's.

This post from a discussion we had about Eva on AnimeOnDVD.com a while back probably says it better than I could although he gets it wrong about Cosmo "choosing" to destroy the world, Cosmo did not "choose" to do what ended up occuring.

Basically, the premise of Ideon was that Earthlings on their space
colonisation conquest came across a planet that had many alien artifacts,
that's where they uncovered the mecha of Ideon. Shortly upon uncovering it,
another alien race came in and tried to take hold of Ideon, our hero, Cosmo
and his friends managed to make the Ideon move, and they fought against the aliens. Afterwards they gathered all the survivers and tried to ran away
from the aliens while the aliens continues to persue them.
Now, later we found that the aliens were in persude of Ideon because of the
promise of the mysterious power of Id, while some of them want the power to themselves, others also knew that the aliens that discovered the power of Id were destroied because of the power of Id. So inside there, they are
actually two groups torn between obtaining the power, and destroying Ideon.
(A parallel would be between SEELE and NERV in EVA).
Back to our heros, as they continues the battle, they discover that the
power of Id actually feeds on the souls and emotions of the pilots (geez
where have I seen that before ), and the more in danger the pilots becomes,
the more powerful Ideon becomes. They also found that Id is partically
sensitive to children and infants, and many times response to the fear of
them and help them fought off the enemies.
Finally coming to the end, there finally came the clincher. We were told
that the alien race that discovered Id did not in fact got destroied, but
rather after tapping into the true power of Id, they evolved to a soul-like
existance that became part of Id itself, where everyone can co-exist
peacefully. And that Ideon and Id where in fact leading both the Earthlings
and aliens into this bloody tag war of power to destory/evolve them all into
Id itself and rid the universe of hate and misunderstanding, and start
afresh! And with that our hero Cosmo, suffering from the trauma of losing
almost all his friends and love ones during this war, choose to obey the
will of Id, tapped into the true power of Ideon and actually destroied the
whole universe, and everyone died.
Finally, the viewers were treated to all the characters, Earthlings and the
aliens, in their soul-like form, floating towards the centre of universe and
watching over the new birth of the universe......

Now that I've pretty much summarized what happened in Ideon. It's not
difficult to see that the whole idea of EVA, Unit 1 as the key, the human
completion project, and the whole of the EVA movices etc were pretty much
the same as the themes in Ideon. Human completion project rids humans of
their AT Fields (psychological barrier) so that there is no more
misunderstanding between humans, hence people can evolve to a god-like
existance, compared to the idea of Ideon where Id using itself as a bait to
neutralise the universe of hate and misunderstanding by breaking down the
barrier between these people and let their souls lay bare to each other,
hence come together as one and become a spiritial existance.


Regardless, I've never made the argument that Eva is a ripoff of Ideon. Infact Eva is better than Ideon, no questions asked with me. Eva's a much more polished show that uses its time a lot better (although I've got quite a gripe with the time management in Eva, compared to early 80's mecha shows that wasted so much time on those battles? Can't compare them). But you can't denied that Eva was influenced by Ideon. And I don't deny that Rah was influenced by Eva. That said, any notion that Rah is a ripoff of Eva as a recent over the top fan tried to make with his website is utter nonsense. The vast, vast majority of that fan's similarities are utter garbage, as pointed out in that recent large thread here.

I made an attempt to watch "A Contact" some time ago but couldn't get into it at all, probably because of how poor the translation was, Prons said it was a bootleg, and I believe him. Do you guys plan on subbing both "A Contact" and "Be Invoked"?

Wasn't even aware there was an 'A Contact' bootleg out there (only one I know of is the series, 1-19). A Contact and Be Invoked will immediately follow the series. And luckily A Contact has already been fansubbed by someone (not to mention as a compilation movie a good 90-95% of the stuff in there was already translated in the series) so it should be real quick when that time comes. Be Invoked is another story, gotta take a while with that masterpiece...

[MagicianCamille]

Infact Eva is better than Ideon

You're fired.

And luckily A Contact has already been fansubbed by someone (not to mention as a compilation movie a good 90-95% of the stuff in there was already translated in the series) so it should be real quick when that time comes.

Why would it being fansubbed by somebody else make our release go any quicker?

[Sachiel03]

Ive never seen the Ideon series myself,but i do know the experimental mecha in Eva Jet Alone was based on Red Alone from Ideon.

[Ark]

Regardless, I've never made the argument that Eva is a ripoff of Ideon. Infact Eva is better than Ideon, no questions asked with me. Eva's a much more polished show that uses its time a lot better (although I've got quite a gripe with the time management in Eva, compared to early 80's mecha shows that wasted so much time on those battles? Can't compare them). But you can't denied that Eva was influenced by Ideon. And I don't deny that Rah was influenced by Eva. That said, any notion that Rah is a ripoff of Eva as a recent over the top fan tried to make with his website is utter nonsense.

Like I said before I don't think that's a valid comparison.

The three or four similarities that Eva has with Ideon don't even effect most of the series.

I'm currently making my way through Rah (I'm up to 15) and the specific similarities keep jumping out at me. I'm not even looking for them I was actually hoping it might be good in its own right considering I spent money on it. I mean come on they actually managed to spread Liliel (Durac Sea angel) out into two seperate creatures (covering two episodes) in Rah.When Ayato killed that angel in orbit with the bow and arrow I nearly went into hysterics.I guess I should have been grateful that they at least changed the weapon.

[Quiddity]

Instrumentality is directly from Ideon and you say it doesn't effect most of the series? C'mon! Many of the shows key points - mechas with souls, Ideon/Unit 01 as the key to everyone's plans, AT field, the need for kids to pilot the mecha, all were done in Ideon. Thats not grasping at straws like much of the RahXephon comparisons, those are instrumental parts of the show.

And the RahXephon killed a Dolem with a bow and arrow because that was from its main influence Brave Raideen, the show out 20 years before Eva.

[Soluzar]

But I already know what the similarities are I just haven't seen them yet. My point is that they are few and concentrated at the end of both series unlike in RahXephon where the similarities to Eva are many and all over the place.You really don't know about this one. There's no way you could, really. It's something that most would know when they see it. However, I'm confident that you won't agree with us even after you've seen #34. If you don't see it, then you don't see it. That doesn't mean it's not there, althoug it doesn't prove that it is there either. Let's not get heavy duty on this one. You've said that you disagree, and I'll be intrigued to know if we disagree once the series is complete, but for now, I'm just interested in hearing from everyone. I just wanted to let you know that you might see a lot more, in a few weeks time.

Many of the shows key points - mechas with souls, Ideon/Unit 01 as the key to everyone's plans, AT field, the need for kids to pilot the mecha, all were done in Ideon. Thats not grasping at straws like much of the RahXephon comparisons, those are instrumental parts of the show.You're not going to convince Ark. The comparisons are subtle, which in the eyes of some renders them meaningless. You just have to look at the nature of the similarities he points out between Eva and RahXephon to understand that unless it's on the surface level, he won't acknowledge it.

I think in this case it's enough to be satisfied that everyone else (including Anno) knows that you and I are correct.

[Ark]

Instrumentality is directly from Ideon and you say it doesn't effect most of the series?

It doesn't effect the series.It only takes place in the film.

C'mon! Many of the shows key points - mechas with souls, Ideon/Unit 01 as the key to everyone's plans,

Again that only emerges in EoE.


AT field, the need for kids to pilot the mecha,

The Robot having a shield isn't really a convincing similarity.MechaGodzilla had a shield as well.That's like citing something on that stupid website that noticed both Meshima and Asuka had a yellow dress.By the way why isn't Meshima in it more she's totally cute? Anyway the shield isn't played on that much in Ideon.

Have they even mentioned that only kids can pilot it and how old is Moera?

Plus I've yet to see an anime where mechas aren't piloted by kids.

And the RahXephon killed a Dolem with a bow and arrow because that was from its main influence Brave Raideen, the show out 20 years before Eva.
My point was that the Dolem looked very similar to Arael, what Haruka said about it was almost identical to what Misato said about Arael and it was taken out in a way very similar to Arael.

[CrossboneGundam]

Yeah, End of Evangelion has nothing at all to do with the TV series, Anno pulled it out his *** after all was said and done, and it doesn't reflect in any way his original intentions for the ending, and it certainly wasn't meant to be an alternate viewpoint of the same stuff that happened in the last two episodes of Eva!

:naughty:

Well, at any rate, Ideon wins.

[Tidusauron12]

^Evangelion!!!!

(I'm only to episode 6 of Ideon.)

[Quiddity]

It doesn't effect the series.It only takes place in the film.


They start talking about Instrumentality in Eva as early as episode 2. Remember?

Again that only emerges in EoE.


Me thinks you need to watch Eva again if you think those things are only relevent in the movies.

The Robot having a shield isn't really a convincing similarity.MechaGodzilla had a shield as well.That's like citing something on that stupid website that noticed both Meshima and Asuka had a yellow dress.By the way why isn't Meshima in it more she's totally cute? Anyway the shield isn't played on that much in Ideon.


First off, the barrier protecting the Ideon and Solo Ship is mentioned in pretty much every single episode.

And second yes, Mishima is totally cute. You'll see her more towards the end, I think. Its been a while since I've watched Rah.


My point was that the Dolem looked very similar to Arael, what Haruka said about it was almost identical to what Misato said about Arael and it was taken out in a way very similar to Arael.

Actually, it did not look like Arael. Arael was a giant glowing bird like angel with huge wings. Arpeggio looked like a giant red crystal with a woman at the center. Images below.
http://www.runswithscissors.ws/gundam/images/arael2.jpg
http://www.runswithscissors.ws/gundam/images/arpeggio-main.jpg

And RahXephon shot Arpeggio with a bow and arrow while Arael was killed by Rei throwing a lance at it. Not the same.

The only similarity is that they were both airborn enemies.

Have they even mentioned that only kids can pilot it and how old is Moera?

Plus I've yet to see an anime where mechas aren't piloted by kids.

You've really gotta watch the show then. Kids piloting the Ideon is a very important part of the show because the Ide reacts strongest to the young (You've got to have seen it react to Piper Lou multiple times right?). The similarity to Eva is this link between the mecha and child pilot that is needed to bring the Ideon to its strongest potential. Like in Eva where the Evas can only be piloted by the children because of their special connection to them. Thats the difference, in many mecha shows, like Gundam, you could put an adult in there with no effect.

And Moera is a teenager. They're all teenagers or younger piloting it, except Gije in these last few episodes.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

I made an attempt to watch "A Contact" some time ago but couldn't get into it at all, probably because of how poor the translation was, Prons said it was a bootleg, and I believe him. Do you guys plan on subbing both "A Contact" and "Be Invoked"?

I was in general reffering to the old tape fansub, I don't know much about it other than they subbed most of the names wrong (Baff Clan). I don't really remember saying it was a poor translation, but either way, our version wil lbe better ;).

Speaking of Quid, you should update your page to sy we're up to 34 now, instead of 20 ;)

[Quiddity]

I was in general reffering to the old tape fansub, I don't know much about it other than they subbed most of the names wrong (Baff Clan). I don't really remember saying it was a poor translation, but either way, our version wil lbe better .

Speaking of Quid, you should update your page to sy we're up to 34 now, instead of 20

Ah, I've got that one. Its not a bootleg, its from Old School Anime Fansubs, or something like that. They do get 'Buff Clan' wrong, and there are a few bad lines, but for the most part I thought they did a good job.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Ah, I've got that one. Its not a bootleg, its from Old School Anime Fansubs, or something like that. They do get 'Buff Clan' wrong, and there are a few bad lines, but for the most part I thought they did a good job.

Here we go, clairtiy ;).

Of course, we'll be the only ones to sub Be Invoked, which was #18 on the animage Top 100 Anime of All Time list a year or so ago. :)

[MagicianCamille]

Barf Clay!

[Levon]

Only seen the first 10 episode of Ideon because after a while episodes wouldn't run good on my PC because of odd resolution. Why is the resolution 720 x 540? All the fansubs I download are 640 x 480. Even the .mkv fansubs like Captain Harlock are 640 x 480, and I can run them just fine. Now my PC sucks which is why. So I won't be able to watch the show for the time being. I did convert an episode for DVD, for some reason it took like 10 hours to convert just one episode, maybe its because of the odd resolution because it normally takes 3-5 hours to convert a fansub episode. I also couldn't set it to center keep aspect ratio because of the resolution, this is the only time this has ever happened.

[Soluzar]

I'd assume that the odd choice of resolution is down to the person who made our raw episodes. You lose quite a bit of quality if you try to convert to a different resolution. With a show as old as Ideon, we're limited to what we can obtain. The aspect ratio of 720x540 is identical to that of 640x480, though.

Since I don't really have any part in that side of things, I can't really say for sure what the reason is. Prons could tell you better.

[MagicianCamille]

You have GOT to get a better computer.

[Levon]

Indeed-_-; Although if I can run most .mvk files you'd think I'd be able to run these.

[Westlo]

Regardless, I've never made the argument that Eva is a ripoff of Ideon. Infact Eva is better than Ideon, no questions asked with me. Eva's a much more polished show that uses its time a lot better

QFT

Btw I noticed on the shinn getter site you said your fav animes are Eva + Ideon, prefer Eva to Escaflowne these days?

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Only seen the first 10 episode of Ideon because after a while episodes wouldn't run good on my PC because of odd resolution. Why is the resolution 720 x 540? All the fansubs I download are 640 x 480. Even the .mkv fansubs like Captain Harlock are 640 x 480, and I can run them just fine.

When we started this, I didn't know much about encoding and pretty much did barebones, these days I decomb and change the size of them for every release, except the ocasional ones I forget. Remember, I learned to encode (and quite a few other things) just to do Ideon.

Of course, I'm not totally sure why they'd slow your computer. =|

[Levon]

Yeah I remember, I think you re-released the first episode. Unless I'm thinking of Kamen Rider Black or something.

L-Gaim's quality is amazing.

[Ark]

They start talking about Instrumentality in Eva as early as episode 2. Remember?

Yeah but you have no idea at all what it is until EoE. Anyway I think they called it human enhancement in that episode.



Me thinks you need to watch Eva again if you think those things are only relevent in the movies.

I didn't say they were only relevant in the movie I said they only had a presence in the movie.


First off, the barrier protecting the Ideon and Solo Ship is mentioned in pretty much every single episode.

Well it still isn't unique enough to claim it was borrowed.


Actually, it did not look like Arael. Arael was a giant glowing bird like angel with huge wings. Arpeggio looked like a giant red crystal with a woman at the center. Images below.
http://www.runswithscissors.ws/gundam/images/arael2.jpg
http://www.runswithscissors.ws/gundam/images/arpeggio-main.jpg

That doesn't look similar to you?

And RahXephon shot Arpeggio with a bow and arrow while Arael was killed by Rei throwing a lance at it. Not the same.

A robot using a pre-modern weapon with a sharpened end to destroy a target in orbit that couldn't have been hit with other weapons. Sounds similar enough to me. Especially since in Rah they (the writers) had other plausibly alternative ways they could have destroyed it.


You've really gotta watch the show then. Kids piloting the Ideon is a very important part of the show because the Ide reacts strongest to the young (You've got to have seen it react to Piper Lou multiple times right?).

I thought that was just because he had more fear in him being a baby and all?

The similarity to Eva is this link between the mecha and child pilot that is needed to bring the Ideon to its strongest potential. Like in Eva where the Evas can only be piloted by the children because of their special connection to them. Thats the difference, in many mecha shows, like Gundam, you could put an adult in there with no effect.

Okay I accept that.

Anyway the second half of Rah (I'm up to 24) didn't seem to have that many similarities to Eva so I'm past that stage. Now I'm just resentful towards the general incoherancy of the show and Mishima not being real.

[Westlo]

A robot using a pre-modern weapon with a sharpened end to destroy a target in orbit that couldn't have been hit with other weapons. Sounds similar enough to me. Especially since in Rah they (the writers) had other plausibly alternative ways they could have destroyed it.

I had a spider on my roof, since it was out of range I used fly spray to kill it, a spider also has lots of "legs".. OMG I RIPPED OFF EVA!!!

The idea of using a "weapon" that could "bridge" the gap would never have occured to me if I hadn't of watched Evangelion!

Thanks Anno!

[Ark]

I had a spider on my roof, since it was out of range I used fly spray to kill it, a spider also has lots of "legs".. OMG I RIPPED OFF EVA!!!

The idea of using a "weapon" that could "bridge" the gap would never have occured to me if I hadn't of watched Evangelion!

Thanks Anno!

I do hope that's supposed to be a joke.

By the way I suggest you see a psychologist if you're bothered by spiders being on your roof.

[Soluzar]

If this topic becomes any more about RahXephon than it already is, I'm going to request a lock. I'm not asking you to stay on topic, people.

[Quiddity]

Btw I noticed on the shinn getter site you said your fav animes are Eva + Ideon, prefer Eva to Escaflowne these days?

No. Esca is better than Eva. Better written, better music, the story and character development is handled better, I prefer it on almost all counts. Eva trumps it in terms of discussability though, you certainly don't have as much to talk about Esca as you do with Eva. IMHO.

[Ark]

If this topic becomes any more about RahXephon than it already is, I'm going to request a lock. I'm not asking you to stay on topic, people.

Well I've seen the whole series now and found that there are much better things to flame it for than its similarities to Eva.

Although I can't resist one more.

In ep26 when Quon talks to Ayato in "instrumentality" I couldn't help but laugh.

She's says something along the lines of "you've never been able to establish relations with others".

Ga?

They can't even have the "borrowing" match the rest of the story.

[Soluzar]

No. Esca is better than Eva. Better written, better music, the story and character development is handled better, I prefer it on almost all counts. Eva trumps it in terms of discussability though, you certainly don't have as much to talk about Esca as you do with Eva. IMHO.
You need to put your Escaflowne page back up. I've watched it twice now, and there are things I just plain don't get. I don't know what the hell is wrong with me. I'm counting on you to have the answers.

Although I can't resist one more.
OK but just the one, then we talk about Ideon some more, Capice? :P

[Ark]

Also imaginary Mishima's voice was much sexier than Nyamo's.

Any way it's off to Zeta country now.

[MagicianCamille]

If this topic becomes any more about RahXephon than it already is, I'm going to request a lock. I'm not asking you to stay on topic, people.

Well I've seen the whole series now and found that there are much better things to flame it for than its similarities to Eva.

Although I can't resist one more.

In ep26 when Quon talks to Ayato in "instrumentality" I couldn't help but laugh.

She's says something along the lines of "you've never been able to establish relations with others".

Ga?

They can't even have the "borrowing" match the rest of the story.

Dude, Ark, shut up already. Nobody cares about what you think about Rahxephon, this thread is about IDEON. Space age robot, he's at-no wait, that's Gigantor.

[Sharp-kun]

It doesn't effect the series.It only takes place in the film.


Again that only emerges in EoE.
End of Evangelion is based on the originally planned TV ending.

[Dr. Nick]

Well, I got around watching the final episodes of Ideon, and the ending sure was on some serious surprise cancellation crack. Definitely one of the most rushed things I've ever seen, right there with Gundam F91 and Nadesico the movie. Which was a real pity, since the last eight or so eps were really good, nicely paced Scary Door stuff.

The ending also got me thinking what NGE's tv-ending could've been like if it had followed Ideon's footsteps even more closely:

MISATO:
He abandoned his will to live, clinging instead to a false hope. You did nothing wrong, Shinji.

SHINJI:
You're cold, Miss Misato.

*Suddenly, the ground starts shaking and funky psychedelic light effects fill up the screen*

BOOMING-VOICED NARRATOR:
At that very moment, Seele initialized the Human Instrumentality Project, and the Third Impact followed. Shinji's position as the pilot of Evangelion Unit 01 granted him the power to decide the fate of humanity, and being the miserable little pile of angst he is, he killed off every living thing on the planet for a moment. But thanks to Rei and Yui, he got over his depression. Sort of.

*Ethereal naked Rei flying across a background of post-3I landscape*

*Ending credits roll. Skip to D&R and EoE as if nothing has happened*