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Tidusauron12
July 28th, 2006, 05:02 PM
Did he? I mean... how could he possibly know that doing all those things would cause third impact? Did he know it would create a giant Rei and turn everyone into little red soul balls?

Soluzar
July 28th, 2006, 05:10 PM
I'm pretty sure that he had anticipated that Lilith would become active at that point, and that souls would be gathered into the Black Moon. The specifics, though, probably came as a surprise to everyone. Who would ever have guessed that Rei had developed enough affection for Shinji to put it all in his hands like she did?

Reichu
July 28th, 2006, 09:08 PM
If Gendo had planned on the Black Moon being involved, the talk about the Ark called Eva + gathering all souls together and going to Yui sure don't make much sense. Fuyutsuki is uninterested in returning to the "empty shell" of the Black Moon, as well.

Laharu
July 28th, 2006, 09:11 PM
I think that he had plannes for the general structure of what happened; but there was no way to anticipate all of the little details that ended up being involved to have the situation turn out the way it did.

Soluzar
July 28th, 2006, 09:13 PM
If Gendo had planned on the Black Moon being involved, the talk about the Ark called Eva + gathering all souls together and going to Yui sure don't make much sense. Fuyutsuki is uninterested in returning to the "empty shell" of the Black Moon, as well.

Did that one line "the ark called Eva" ever make sense to you? Either way, scratch what I said. I meant to say that I believe he had a rough idea of the general course of events, but did not foresee most of the details.

Vaikyuko
July 29th, 2006, 07:11 AM
No. Why? He isn't psychic.

Blader5489
July 30th, 2006, 03:20 PM
If Gendo had planned on the Black Moon being involved, the talk about the Ark called Eva + gathering all souls together and going to Yui sure don't make much sense. Fuyutsuki is uninterested in returning to the "empty shell" of the Black Moon, as well.

I believe the "Ark called Eva" line was a reference to what Yui did.

Hekym
July 30th, 2006, 04:25 PM
Did Gendo anticipate that Yui would get mad and bite him in half, too?

Soluzar
July 30th, 2006, 04:31 PM
Did Gendo anticipate that Yui would get mad and bite him in half, too?

I'm almost entirely certain that the answer to that question is no. Gendo never stopped to consider how his actions made anyone feel. He wanted his wife back, whatever the cost. It appears she wasn't entirely happy with the cost.

Tidusauron12
July 30th, 2006, 04:35 PM
I'm almost entirely certain that the answer to that question is no. Gendo never stopped to consider how his actions made anyone feel.

Hm. I know that's the truth.

Soluzar
July 30th, 2006, 04:45 PM
Hm. I know that's the truth.
The part that's screwed up, though, is that for all that he loved his wife, that statement even applies to her. He's one hell of a complex bastard, is old Gendo.

drgenestarwind
July 30th, 2006, 07:17 PM
i believe gendo thought unit-01 would shelter him and Yui through 3I as it happened through Seele.

Reichu
July 30th, 2006, 09:00 PM
I believe the "Ark called Eva" line was a reference to what Yui did.
...yeah? Yui did a lot of things.

Did Gendo anticipate that Yui would get mad and bite him in half, too?
Where does it say she got mad? And, she didn't just "bite him in half" -- the top half is GONE when next we see him. "Spirited away." Perhaps ingestion was, yet again, a "means to an end"?

Blader5489
July 30th, 2006, 09:05 PM
...yeah? Yui did a lot of things.

Heh... well, I was referring to her contact experiment in 2004. She did exactly what SEELE didn't want to do: gave up human form to ride in the Ark called Eva.

Reichu
July 30th, 2006, 09:43 PM
Heh... well, I was referring to her contact experiment in 2004. She did exactly what SEELE didn't want to do: gave up human form to ride in the Ark called Eva.
Eva is a "throne" for the resident soul, not an "Ark". That is to say, you're taking the line way out of context.

The "Ark" function is explicitly associated with 3I. "Abandoning human form", here, could be thought of as refering to human souls becoming disembodied 'as a rite of passage' for instrumentality (which is ultimately a form of evolution/rebirth). Eva "the Ark" would apparently be "boarded" by human souls, with the intention of 'advancing' us 'to a new world'. Seele finds the entire scenario quite objectionable, which provides guidelines for interpretation.