Gundam Wing or G Gundam

[MonkeyBoy0314]

Since the new collector's edition box sets are out, I decided on getting G Gundam and Gundam Wing, but as of right now, I only have enough money for one series. I was wondering which one I should get first.

I have already seen G Gundam on Toonami and liked it, but I haven't done as much as seen an episode of Gundam Wing, but I've been told that it is definitely worth getting. Can you please help me?

[GUNDAMPILOT]

All this is going to end up turning into is alot of conflicting opinions. Do yourself a favor and down load a few odd eps of both and make up your own mind.

Granted they are both good shows IMO but in the end it only matters what you like. Nothing sucks worse then asking peoples opinions about a show and get it only to find out its just bad and you should have went the other way.

On the two different sides of the coin you have G which is just over the top cheesy and for the most part unrealistic and on the other you have Wing with its overly drab and brooding youngsters with their invincible gundams. Each has its strengths and its weaknesses but not know a persons tastes in mecha anime could shift things in a place you just dont want. :lol:

[Soluzar]

Gundam Wing appeals to a different kind of fanbase than the rest of Gundam. It's an entirely different style of storytelling. Personally, I didn't like it much, because I found a lot of the characters irritating. Heero Yuy is an illogical, contradictory kind of character, and although that's the way he was intended to be, it still leaves me cold. I just never get the feeling that I can understand his motivations.

There's a lot of other things about Gundam Wing that I don't like, but I did enjoy Gundam SEED, which actually does most of the same things. I think that mostly, it's about Heero. If you can tolerate a character who confuses the hell out of you, and does the exact opposite of what he said he was going to do, then the rest is negotiable.

Since you've already seen G Gundam and liked it, I'd suggest that you not even consider Wing. It would seem even worse than it is by comparison to G Gundam, if that's the only other Gundam you've seen. Of course, as the poster above said, G Gundam is cheesy and unrealistic, but that's all part of the tradition of Super Robot anime, which G Gundam is an homage to. You can't say that Gundam Wing is any more realistic. Even by the standards of mecha anime, both of these series throw realism right out of the window.

[Vaikyuko]

In a nutshell, I consider Gundam Wing to be among the worst three Gundam series ever created (G-Saviour, although not a series, and Superior Defender are the other two). G is, in another nutshell, made of win, awesome, and God (Gundam). Buy it.

[RyoTD]

Ooops, voted Wing by mistake. G may be cheesy and unrealistic, but I think that it only adds to the fun. Get it.

The ones who told you that Wing was definitely worth getting are pretty far from the truth, IMO. It is generally (here, at least) considered to be one of the weakest Gundam titles.

[Daishikaze]

Go for G, Wing is atrocious

[GUNDAMPILOT]

Funny how these days everyone wants to be Wing haters. In a few more years the new found SEED haters will come out of the wood work and move onto the next fad.

[MagicianCamille]

G Gundam. G Gundam. G Gundam. G Gundam. G GUNDAM.

[CrossboneGundam]

Funny how these days everyone wants to be Wing haters. In a few more years the new found SEED haters will come out of the wood work and move onto the next fad.

So you're saying that everyone just loves Wing but want to look cool so they come up with coherent, legitimate arguments about its general lack of quality?

And in case you didn't notice, plenty of people already don't like SEED.

Of course, the irony of what you're saying is that most of the people who were into Wing or SEED were/are into them as a fad.


At any rate, this is a total no-brainer. G Gundam all the way.

[Loopy]

G Gundam by far.

[GUNDAMPILOT]

So you're saying that everyone just loves Wing but want to look cool so they come up with coherent, legitimate arguments about its general lack of quality?

And in case you didn't notice, plenty of people already don't like SEED.

That wasnt what I was saying at all. It boils down to what I like to call vanilla ice syndrome. Most people if they admit it or not loved VI when he first came on to the rap scene back in the day but once all the hype and his 15 minutes was up everyone hated on him left and right but forgot that at one point they liked him.

Same thing with Wing. Yeah, it did have its crap points but it did have its good points. I will always be a fan of wing because I thought it was a good show when I got my hands on the fan subs and then liked it better when it got dubbed and brought over to CN. Also if it wasnt for wing and the good folks at toonami I would still to this day be spending an arm and a leg importing my crack anime habit from over seas.

Ive seen people with user names that are Wing related hating on wing. It just doesnt look or sound right. All I am saying is that alot of people that these days jump right on board with everyone that doesnt like wing because it got over saturated here in the US but where huge fans when it first rolled out are not true gundam fans. Yeah, this may come off wrong to some people but Im a gundam purist and I make no apologies for it.

[Levon]

G Gundam for sure, its a lot of fun. Characters are full of life, unlike Wing where the characters feel like robots most of the time.

Wing is one of the last Gundam you should buy.

[CrossboneGundam]

That wasnt what I was saying at all. It boils down to what I like to call vanilla ice syndrome. Most people if they admit it or not loved VI when he first came on to the rap scene back in the day but once all the hype and his 15 minutes was up everyone hated on him left and right but forgot that at one point they liked him.

Same thing with Wing. Yeah, it did have its crap points but it did have its good points. I will always be a fan of wing because I thought it was a good show when I got my hands on the fan subs and then liked it better when it got dubbed and brought over to CN. Also if it wasnt for wing and the good folks at toonami I would still to this day be spending an arm and a leg importing my crack anime habit from over seas.

Ive seen people with user names that are Wing related hating on wing. It just doesnt look or sound right. All I am saying is that alot of people that these days jump right on board with everyone that doesnt like wing because it got over saturated here in the US but where huge fans when it first rolled out are not true gundam fans. Yeah, this may come off wrong to some people but Im a gundam purist and I make no apologies for it.

How is liking Wing being a "Gundam purist"? And just because something was popular/successful/whatever doesn't mean everyone liked/likes it and that anyone who says otherwise is just in denial. You're making the sort of groundless and ludicrous argument based only on your own naive assumptions that gives Wing fans a bad rap in the first place, here.

[birdcat]

G Gundam was my first gundam series. Wing was my second. I think the fanboyism over Wing just killed it for me. I still like Wing, to an extent. But its definantly not on my top ten for Gundam series.

[GUNDAMPILOT]

How is liking Wing being a "Gundam purist"? And just because something was popular/successful/whatever doesn't mean everyone liked/likes it and that anyone who says otherwise is just in denial. You're making the sort of groundless and ludicrous argument based only on your own naive assumptions that gives Wing fans a bad rap in the first place, here.

And yet totally missing the point altogether.

[Vaikyuko]

You're also missing the point, GUNDAMPILOT. Just because we might have at one point liked Wing (like myself), we also can hate it if we wish. But in many cases, a lot of people like Crossbone never liked Wing, and as such aren't being hypocritical, or have the "Vanilla Ice Syndrome" that you mentioned. Honestly, you're sounding a bit out there.

[Sendo Takeshi]

Ive seen people with user names that are Wing related hating on wing. It just doesnt look or sound right. All I am saying is that alot of people that these days jump right on board with everyone that doesnt like wing because it got over saturated here in the US but where huge fans when it first rolled out are not true gundam fans. Yeah, this may come off wrong to some people but Im a gundam purist and I make no apologies for it.



I've got a Wing username. Wing was my first Gundam encounter. It was alright at the time, but after getting a job and purchasing all of the U.C. stuff it just blew Wing out of the water completely. And thus the genious storytelling of the original MSG and Zeta Gundam and Char's Counterattack made me hate Wing for what it is. Plus, Wing would put me to sleep at times.

Its like Tekken and Virtua Fighter. They're both 3D and they control almost alike. But the depth that VF offers compared to Tekken just blows Tekken out of the water. And thats what I like: Depth. I don't want simple sh!t.

Plus, MSG and Zeta Gundam have character development x10 compared to Wing. And I like that. So yeah. Wing is dead to me as a series.

Anyway, G Gundam ftw.

[Levon]

Plus, MSG and Zeta Gundam have character development x10 compared to Wing.

Thats not true.......Its more like x1,000 ;)

[xAndronicusX]

I'd personally go for G Gundam. Wing has a lot of good qualities, but it has even more shortcomings. The plot and the story are paper-thin, plotholes abound and the characters aren't very likable either. In my opinion anyway. It's by no means the atrocity that people make it out to be and I have a certain place in my heart for it since it was the first Gundam series I ever saw even though it probably is the worst Gundam series.

[Solid_Snake]

G Gundam. Wing sucked.

[MagicianCamille]

Thats not true.......Its more like x1,000 ;)

1,000 X 0 is still 0 though.

Let's just say Zeta has lots of character development.

[evafan88]

[QUOTE=Deathscythe]

Its like Tekken and Virtua Fighter. They're both 3D and they control almost alike. But the depth that VF offers compared to Tekken just blows Tekken out of the water. And thats what I like: Depth. I don't want simple sh!t.

QUOTE]


Ok, Ok I know were supposed to talk about gundam but WTF???? Virtua Fighter has more depth than Tekken?? Have you actually ever played Tekken not only is it one of the most popular 3d fighters out there but it has way more depth than Virtua Fighter, and there controls are no where near the same. you control Tekken with 4 buttons one for each leg and arm, Virtu fighter is completely different, not only does VF have a crappy character list, and no real memoribal characters, I can go on and on about how Tekken is better than VF, but we are supposed to be talking about Gundam,

so anyways GW has its flaws, and it was my first real gundam series I saw so I will always love it, but GW is so much better than G Gundam, dont get me wrong but G Gundam is the same repetitave **** for the first 20 episodes after that then the show gets good.

[Soluzar]

so anyways GW has its flaws, and it was my first real gundam series I saw so I will always love it, but GW is so much better than G Gundam, dont get me wrong but G Gundam is the same repetitave **** for the first 20 episodes after that then the show gets good.
Yet you don't seem to mind the fact that Wing pulls the stunt of repeating virtually the same story arc twice, with the main difference being that our protagonists have simply changed sides?

[evafan88]

I dont mind when its actually interesting, and when its has depth, the pilots end up fighting the colonies in which they were protecting....

G Gundam is fight one country move on, fight one country move on, fight one country move on, fight one country move on, fight one country move on, for the first like 20 episodes nothing really happens

[Vaikyuko]

I dont mind when its actually interesting, and when its has depth, the pilots end up fighting the colonies in which they were protecting....

G Gundam is fight one country move on, fight one country move on, fight one country move on, fight one country move on, fight one country move on, for the first like 20 episodes nothing really happens

Have you ever watched anything remotely resembling a mecha show with a plot? Wing doesn't count, as it doesn't have a plot, it's just people randomly fighting for "independence" and "peace" (neither of which are truly defined within that series).

[TheDemonSlayer]

If you can only get one, then G Gundam is definitely the way to go. But come on people, Wing wasn't that bad was it?

[Soluzar]

If you can only get one, then G Gundam is definitely the way to go. But come on people, Wing wasn't that bad was it?Not in entirety, but Heero was that bad. If not for Heero, the show would be at least 3x as good as it is, in my estimation. The other pilots were not anywhere near as annoying. Duo was a pretty decent character, in fact, and Zechs was on the same level as most non-UC antagonists.

I have to add found the Gundam Designers to be somehow not suitable to my taste, as well. I can't quite say for sure what it was about them, but the character designs somehow just don't seem to fit the rest of the cast as far as I'm concerned.

Where it really failed, as far as I'm concerned, was that the second half lacked imagination. By the end, it was drawn together into a fairly decent conclusion, but there was a time that there were even two recap episodes in a row, and lseveral other episodes that I feel were unncessarily drawn out, in order to extend the series to the desired length.

The Absolute Pacifism philosophy was just never quite handled properly, either. I have a feeling that at least part of that is due to a poor translation, but the fact remains that pacfism needs to be a less-than-absolute philosophy in order to be a good backdrop for a Gundam anime. It's all very well to have peace as a goal, but a nation must always be ready to defend their borders.

The final nail in the coffin was the concept of Mobile Dolls. I don't even know where to begin telling you how much I hate that as a plot element. I'm sure not everyone feels the same way.

In truth, after having seen Gundam SEED, I can't help but feel that much of what was on offer in Wing has now been incorporated into the Cosmic Era, in a form which works a little better. I acknowledge that SEED has many flaws of its own, as well as some which it shares with Wing, but I find the characters likable, which goes a long way, and I find the rest of the elements to be substantially more to my taste. Not everyone will agree with me when I describe SEED as a refined version of Wing, but it's the impresion I get.

Since you asked, there it is. The visual design of the show overall was gorgeous, and there were countless enjoyable scenes, but the things I listed above really just kept irritating me throughout the anime, and I couldn't say that I enjoyed it overall because of those things.

[TheDemonSlayer]

Very detailed explanation indeed Soluzar, and I also enjoyed SEED as well. I can see why some things about Wing could have gotten annoying, but even with this said, I enjoyed it quite a bit. I imagine there are countless souls that will not agree with me on this, and that's fine by me. Gundam Wing, Gundam SEED, G Gundam, the original Gundam series, 08th MS Team, I loved them all, despite their flaws.

[Lord Timaeus]

Wing wasn't bad when I first saw it, but then again, it was one of my very first anime, so I couldn't compare it to others. Now it's just another forgotten series to me, as I wish I could unread all those bad yaoi fanfics I surfed through.

G Gundam, however, was much more enjoyable. I only saw up to episode 39 or so on Toonami, but it was a fun series much like Outlaw Star or more accurately any super robot anime. I'm thinking about buying this series now that it's cheaper and widely available, and I encourage any casual anime fan to do the same.

[Dalmain]

G Gundam is action packed fun.

[Amuro]

Everyone knows I'm a fan of Wing, but since you've seen G and apparently liked it, go ahead and buy it first.

The obvious distinction is that G is a super-robot show whereas Wing is a war-drama.

[Sendo Takeshi]

Ok, Ok I know were supposed to talk about gundam but WTF???? Virtua Fighter has more depth than Tekken?? Have you actually ever played Tekken not only is it one of the most popular 3d fighters out there but it has way more depth than Virtua Fighter, and there controls are no where near the same. you control Tekken with 4 buttons one for each leg and arm, Virtu fighter is completely different, not only does VF have a crappy character list, and no real memoribal characters, I can go on and on about how Tekken is better than VF, but we are supposed to be talking about Gundam,



I play more fighters than you watch anime. Lets be real here. You can go make a thread in the video game forum though if you want. And I can tell you how VF4 makes Tekken look like childs play.

Anyway, that was an analogy. So yeah. G Gundam ftw.

[Levon]

Without Virtua Fighter's depth we wouldn't have Tekkan, it was a very important move into 3D, not just for fighters but for all 3D games. A head of its time with gameplay & graphics.

Although I'm not into fighting games at all, both games seem pretty similar to me. I remember when Virtua Fighter came out on the arcade & how freakin amazed I was that it was 3D. First real 3D game I'v seen(games like Doom & Star Box don't count, thats not true 3D).

But yes, thats all off topic-_-;

[evafan88]

And I play more fighting games then you......play fighting games, Im sure if Tekken is so child play as you put it we would be seeing more Virtua Fighter in the arcades.........that what I thought.

[Amuro]

Super Smash Brothers FTW :P

Actually, Gundam Wing: Endless Duel is still my favorite traditional fighting game.

[Smith]

Let's stay on topic. Evafan, DS using fighting games as an example is just that, an example.
Discussing a pair of fighting games has gotten a report, so let's end it at that. Again, let's stay on topic. Thank you.

[Charred Knight]

Not in entirety, but Heero was that bad. If not for Heero, the show would be at least 3x as good as it is, in my estimation. The other pilots were not anywhere near as annoying. Duo was a pretty decent character, in fact, and Zechs was on the same level as most non-UC antagonists.

I agree about Herro, though I would also had Relena and Wufei. Relena's constant shrieking of pacifism really doesn't make any sense and she's generally useless. Wufei at his best was unintentional comedy, and at his worst was just annoying. The least said about Herro's psychotic behavior the better.

Also I never understood why people raise the UC agtagonist to another level, the only UC series that had a lot of great antagonist was MSG, most of the other series only had one good villan.

[teknoman]

G Gundam is O.K. but I would prefer Gundam Wing because it has more action.

[Soluzar]

Also I never understood why people raise the UC agtagonist to another level, the only UC series that had a lot of great antagonist was MSG, most of the other series only had one good villan.
Take Zeta as an example. Scirocco is worth at least five good villains, and Yazan is also worth two or three just on his own. Quality over quantity in that case. They weren't the only ones either. Just the best.

[Tiran]

ZZ had Haman and Glemy, both of whom were very different characters, both were fantastic villains, in amongst all the other villains they encountered for some time (I'll try and not remember Yazan here, its better that way). The pinacle of villains in UC is, of course, Char, who was such a sympathetic character you really almost wanted him to win at some points.

[MagicianCamille]

YES! Way to give props to Glemy. He doesn't get enough.

[Amuro]

Well, it always seemed to me like Gundam Wing is about characters holding onto their naivety despite all the wake-up calls the world sends them. And, in the end, Wing tries to give the viewer hope for the possibility of the perfect world which they might dream of. (And one might argue that, in the tradition of pessemistic sequels, EW renounces these ideals to a point.)

If a viewer has no such overwhelming desire to achieve a perfect world with no fighting, etc. or has renounced any naive world-view he posesses, such a series naturally won't appeal to him.

You could say that Wing is the series that Gilbert from Seed Destiny must have grown up on.
And that, might be considered a flaw. Wing possibly only shows an appreciation for the possibilities of human advancement rather than showing a respect for our world, fighting included, as it is currently and has always been. But it all comes down to a question of ideology..
I think we can guess at what MSG thought, considering that the lives of all Newtypes who prophesised a bright future for mankind ended badly.

[Techrobo]

Gundam W has Treize Khushrenada. That pretty much settles things... Hes like the Napoleon of 1990s cartoons! And every likes Napoleon... or at least they should.

[evafan88]

Gundam Wing is the sh*t, its not as good as U.C., but its shure as hell better than G Gundam.......

[Levon]

The poll says otherwise;)

[Lord Timaeus]

Gundam Wing is sh*t, its not as good as U.C.

Fixed.

(filler)

[RyoTD]

:lol:~filler~

[evafan88]

Polls mean nothing if you were to ask this poll when Wing first came out I seriously doubt it would be the same, and yeah G Gundam wasnt out at the time, butI dont care, Wing is better its that simple


And G gundam and Gundam X are the last gundam series anybody should buy

[MagicianCamille]

and yeah G Gundam wasnt out at the time

G Gundam came out a year before Wing did.


And G gundam and Gundam X are the last gundam series anybody should buy

Yeah if you like saving the best for last.

[GUNDAMPILOT]

I loved the hell out of X.

[Lord Timaeus]

Polls mean nothing if you were to ask this poll when Wing first came out I seriously doubt it would be the same, and yeah G Gundam wasnt out at the time, butI dont care, Wing is better its that simple


And G gundam and Gundam X are the last gundam series anybody should buy

Wing was the first Gundam series to really be popular in the US, and it was the only Gundam series many fans would be willing to watch at the time. And even then, many of those same fans eventually grew out of Wing and turned to other series. You just can't seem to accept that Wing is all but a memory now, as more and more people escape from Wing's clutches.

And since when could you legally buy Gundam X yet? I thought the series was only fansubbed.

[MagicianCamille]

Ans since when could you legally buy Gundam X yet? I thought the series was only fansubbed.

You're correct. But this is evafan so...*end post*

-Nya

[Daishikaze]

Hey, There is hope for Evefan, he's discovering classic anime. Give him time

[evafan88]

Ok I know, it hasnt come out yet im talking about WHEN it comes out....

[brolylssj95]

For me wing, its what i strated with and i loved it but i also love all the other gundam shows. G is an excellent show but id choose wing if i had too and buy g later, but thats just me.

[Uchiha-Itachi]

Both too me are okay, if you ask me which is better, than G Gundam all the way, i love the character designs and the life they bring to the show. they have so much feeling and depth, at least more than the wing boys ever did. i also like the concept of the show way more, its a breath of fresh air, seeing as how every gundam show is about war and this one is about a tournament.
However unless you got that money as a gift and have cash to burn (and i do mean burn) save your money and download G Gundam like every other good citizen would.

[Sendo Takeshi]

However unless you got that money as a gift and have cash to burn (and i do mean burn) save your money and download G Gundam like every other good citizen would.



Why? The sets are only $30 dollars each. And thats two sets now seeing as how the box sets are now discontinued.

G Gundam is worth owning on DVD. Your logic makes me sad. :(

[Ariel Tsuki]

Well, like some people said. It really depends on what kinda theme you're looking for. You can't really compare Gundam Wing to G Gundam, because Wing was all about the politics and philosophy while G Gundam is...err... all about fighting but it is fun depending if you can take the campiness of it. I like G Gundam until a certain point though. If I have to pick between the two, I'll pick Wing. In fact, to put my very self in danger being flamed, I would pick Wing over the original Gundam (which I didn't like and the only vintage anime I didn't like, which is sad for me). The best Gundam series, IMO, I admit, is Gundam 08th MS Team though.

I'm tired of the whole "realistic/unrealistic" thing. The whole concept of a Gundam is unrealistic to begin with anyway. As long as it tries to stay within its confinments of the world that they're in sets them in, it's all right. Anime is not serious business, as much as you want it to.

Damn, you make me want to buy the Wing boxsets, where I can find both of them for $50 total. Trying to finish other collections first....

But seriously, despite what people say, you'll hafta to find out for yourself if it's bad or not. If you liked G Gundam, go for it. It's better to stick with the devil you know than the one you don't in this case. But if you can get your hands on some Gundam Wing, watch it first and then decide. You may pass or find it a great anime.

The power of choice is a frightening thing indeed...

[xInuYashax]

G Gundam was great, but Gundam Wing had to be the first anime I ever truely loved... I'd definitely say go with Gundam Wing.

[waitup]

id say gundam wing fa sho

[Sharp-kun]

I'm unlikely to ever watch Wing again. G Gundam I'd still seriously consider marathoning.

[Spiral Tap]

Wow, it seems as though my friends and I hold a very different opinoin than the majority of the board. I love Gundam Wing, and especially love Endless Waltz, which I feel provided the apt ending to the story which G-Gundam lacked.

The beginning of G Gundam, right up until the face off with the Dark Gundam in (was it South America or Africa?), was some of my favorite anime experiences of all time. Each episode, and each pilot had a GREAT story behind it, and they were built upon until the climax at the end of the episode. The one that sticks out right now is Kashu's first encounter with Chibidee in the boxing ring, where Damon impressed Chibidee with his speed, but was then affected by a whiffed punch, that was golden. Then in the final tournament, where Damon explains to the kin the force exerted on a pilot, then remembering his own lesson and allowing his shoulder to be dislocated in order to escape constriction.

But the penultimate climax in the series was a GREAT disappoinment. Of course it was good to see Damon accept love as a power, but for that moment it was a bit of a let down.

As for Wing, I loved Heero's cold attitude, one that went so fas as to barely forming any sort of a bond with a suit until Zero, and Zechs may just be my all-tine favorite character. His gangster is just off the charts. I found Wulfei annoying, but found it nice to see someone other than the main character or villain treated with such respected, as he is the one given the honor to end it all, and is never played as inferior to anyone, I loved it. I found Duo hilarious, Quatre a good character, and loved Troa, mainly due to his awesome fighting style.

I really liked the cold feel Wing brought, and Endless Waltz providing the badass ending G Gundam lacked. The image of a worn Zero holding that gun may just last with me forever.

I love both series, but if I had to make a choice, I'd take Wing, even without Endless Waltz.

[nameo9876]

G slays it effortlessly.





...Does that even make sense?

[Sendo Takeshi]

and Zechs may just be my all-tine favorite character.

His gangster is just off the charts.


and Endless Waltz providing the badass ending G Gundam lacked.



These three quotes will forever live on with me forever. I have never laughed so hard.

[Sora N]

G Gundam! (In my opinion) don’t waste your money on Gundam Wing because it’s boring (and not to mention all the yaoi fanfiction…)

[Levon]

I really liked the cold feel Wing brought, and Endless Waltz providing the badass ending G Gundam lacked. The image of a worn Zero holding that gun may just last with me forever.

"Mobile Suits, including the Gundam's were never seen again"

Thats stupid. G Gundam had a great ending, Domon saves his girl & defeats the Devil Gundam, what more do you want? G Gundam was all badass, thats what super robots are all about.

[Mazinkaiser]

Damn it Levon, you beat me to it. I was going to put that exact same quote up.
Anyways, yeah, EW's ending was pretty lame. It just fizzles out. Which is a pity since I actually liked EW... Well, I liked it a helluva lot better than I liked Wing TV...Which isn't really saying much...)

[Quattro Ninja]

Everytime I ask someone what their favorite gundam series is and they say Wing or SEED, I first resist the urge to slap them, and then I ask if they have seen the MSG movie trilogy and/or Zeta, pretty much 100% of the time these peole say no, so I tell them to go watch these series immediately. Just doing my part as a good citizen.

Seriously W has way too many shortcomings to be good.

Highpoints: Treize(he was actually a fairly decent character) Duo
[Edit]- the OPs I like these tunes- and the one from EW.
Lowpoints:(Besides what else has been said) Zechs, the most blatant Char ripoff ever, EVER. When someone says Zechs is awesome the urge to slap is very hard to resist indeed.
Repeat shots- in wing they CONSTANTLY repeat shots, sometimes the backround is a diff color but even then its still the same bloody shot of a Leo being blown up.
Too many to list.

Go with G, which is pure fun, and it has a German Ninja, nothing is cooler than a German Ninja.

[Amuro]

Hey, I'm a resident hardcore Wing fan, but I agree that G had the better ending. The last couple episodes of G were remarkably polished..

[aoishonen7]

Just ignore the avitar. Gundam Wing has a more deeper plot(not perfect but deeper) than G Gundam. If you like mindless gundam vs. gundam stuff go with G Gundam. If you want a story go with Gundam Wing. And no Heero Yuy and Duo Maxwell are not gay. It's just fanfiction. Good fanficton, but fanfiction...... Japan came up with it first.....

[Levon]

Well G gundam is a super robot anime so you can't expect a really deep story with that type of anime. However, at least the characters had emotion & he actually cared for them.

And I prefer the G Gundam story much more. I dont count it as deep but neither would say Wing had a deep story unless you count unlogical politics with brainless battles as deep....

[Sendo Takeshi]

Just ignore the avitar. Gundam Wing has a more deeper plot(not perfect but deeper) than G Gundam. If you like mindless gundam vs. gundam stuff go with G Gundam. If you want a story go with Gundam Wing. And no Heero Yuy and Duo Maxwell are not gay. It's just fanfiction. Good fanficton, but fanfiction...... Japan came up with it first.....


I loled.

:lol:

[CrossboneGundam]

Just ignore the avitar. Gundam Wing has a more deeper plot(not perfect but deeper) than G Gundam. If you like mindless gundam vs. gundam stuff go with G Gundam. If you want a story go with Gundam Wing. And no Heero Yuy and Duo Maxwell are not gay. It's just fanfiction. Good fanficton, but fanfiction...... Japan came up with it first.....

Gundam Wing's plot is no deeper than G's, it just tries to make it sound deep by throwing a lot of useless, irrelevant psuedo-political ranting in to cover it up. Add to that a total lack of depth or likability to the characters, and I'd say we have a loser.

G Gundam is honest. G Gundam is made of hot blood and GUTS. Vote G Gundam!

[Zachery]

Gunam Wing all the way. G gundam was good to. Those were the only two gundam series that I liked. As for the large amounts of yaoi fanfiction for wing, what des it matter? If you don't like (I don't) then don't read it I don't see how that is a feesible argument as to why Wing is a bad anime. Lol nor do I care...

[Amuro]

Gundam Wing's plot is no deeper than G's, it just tries to make it sound deep by throwing a lot of useless, irrelevant psuedo-political ranting in to cover it up. Add to that a total lack of depth or likability to the characters, and I'd say we have a loser.

Fact: I consider this to be one of my strongest defenses for Gundam Wing because no other Gundam series has demonstrated the same effect in my personal experience: I watched Gundam Wing starting from 8th grade through all of high school and frequently "scavenged" paper topics from it. I was praised as a great writer by my History and English teachers throughout all those years, and I don't recall that ever being the case before I started watching Gundam Wing. You can argue that the praise and accompanying grades were undeserved, but it's hardly a valid argument when nowadays everyone is looking for the "single magical source of good grades."

That's actually where part of my depreciation of Zeta comes from: When I first watched the initial episodes of the series fansubbed, I took to writing stories with impulsively angsty and violent characters in the style of Camille for my Creative Writing class. Boy, did I get shot down for those.. my teacher spent a long time telling me that superfluous and impulsive expressions of emotion that try to convey the impression of a complex psychology are a weak technique that wouldn't be accepted in most professional writing situations. I'm not necessarily saying that Camille was simply a facade and not a truly developed character as well (although I think that he was) but simply that Zeta had a negative effect on my output.

Of course all this is of no direct significance to people who are no longer in school, but neither are textbooks or cliff's notes or anything of that nature, but that doesn't make their existence pointless does it?

Therefore, Gundam Wing serves at least a single purpose, and that's enough to justify its existence and warrant a viewing of it for anyone in grade school.

[same_animefan]

From what I remember, the series' are really too different to compare with each other. Not to mention Gundam Wing seems to be the most hated gundam anime by the 'avid' gundam fans. *shrugs*

MY opinions. Like it has been said before. If you liked G Gundam, then go for that.

Personally, it was too campy for me. It just seemed like any old fighting anime but with robots. And maybe the dub is just sered into my brain, but that whole..."SHINNIIINGG FIIINGEER!" thing makes me cring yet roll in laugter everytime. I can't take that series seriously for the life of me.

I'll also admit, even though I love G Wing, the plot does get boring sometimes. It probably isn't the "best" gundam anime out there, but I still don't think it deserves all the hate it gets *shrugs*.

That's just my two cents. Go for G Gundam cause you know you like it, and try and find an episode of G wing on youtube or something to see if you'll like it.

[HitokiriShadow]

If you like super robots, go with G Gundam. If not, go with Wing or just don't bother with either.

Of course, this thread is 5 moths old, so you've probably made your decision already and/or are no longer reading this. :)

Fact: I consider this to be one of my strongest defenses for Gundam Wing because no other Gundam series has demonstrated the same effect in my personal experience: I watched Gundam Wing starting from 8th grade through all of high school and frequently "scavenged" paper topics from it. I was praised as a great writer by my History and English teachers throughout all those years, and I don't recall that ever being the case before I started watching Gundam Wing. You can argue that the praise and accompanying grades were undeserved, but it's hardly a valid argument when nowadays everyone is looking for the "single magical source of good grades."

That's actually where part of my depreciation of Zeta comes from: When I first watched the initial episodes of the series fansubbed, I took to writing stories with impulsively angsty and violent characters in the style of Camille for my Creative Writing class. Boy, did I get shot down for those.. my teacher spent a long time telling me that superfluous and impulsive expressions of emotion that try to convey the impression of a complex psychology are a weak technique that wouldn't be accepted in most professional writing situations. I'm not necessarily saying that Camille was simply a facade and not a truly developed character as well (although I think that he was) but simply that Zeta had a negative effect on my output.

Of course all this is of no direct significance to people who are no longer in school, but neither are textbooks or cliff's notes or anything of that nature, but that doesn't make their existence pointless does it?

Therefore, Gundam Wing serves at least a single purpose, and that's enough to justify its existence and warrant a viewing of it for anyone in grade school.


So, you are trying to judge the merits of the series based on what teachers said about YOUR papers that were based on them (very vaguely, in the case of Zeta)? Yeah, that's a GREAT way to look at things.

Also, it appears that the papers you did based on Wing were for different subjects than the ones you did based on Zeta. I doubt your Creative Writing papers would have suddenly gotten a bunch of praise if you based the characters on Gundam Wing. You'd probably just be told that your characters were completely flat and boring instead.

[CrossboneGundam]

Fact: I consider this to be one of my strongest defenses for Gundam Wing because no other Gundam series has demonstrated the same effect in my personal experience: I watched Gundam Wing starting from 8th grade through all of high school and frequently "scavenged" paper topics from it. I was praised as a great writer by my History and English teachers throughout all those years, and I don't recall that ever being the case before I started watching Gundam Wing. You can argue that the praise and accompanying grades were undeserved, but it's hardly a valid argument when nowadays everyone is looking for the "single magical source of good grades."

That's actually where part of my depreciation of Zeta comes from: When I first watched the initial episodes of the series fansubbed, I took to writing stories with impulsively angsty and violent characters in the style of Camille for my Creative Writing class. Boy, did I get shot down for those.. my teacher spent a long time telling me that superfluous and impulsive expressions of emotion that try to convey the impression of a complex psychology are a weak technique that wouldn't be accepted in most professional writing situations. I'm not necessarily saying that Camille was simply a facade and not a truly developed character as well (although I think that he was) but simply that Zeta had a negative effect on my output.

Of course all this is of no direct significance to people who are no longer in school, but neither are textbooks or cliff's notes or anything of that nature, but that doesn't make their existence pointless does it?

Therefore, Gundam Wing serves at least a single purpose, and that's enough to justify its existence and warrant a viewing of it for anyone in grade school.

Did you really just post that? Seriously?

Jesus H. Christ in a chicken basket, you've just made yourself a great example of why people should watch Gundam shows other than Wing.

[neiru_3]

G Gundam kicks ***.

[Amuro]

Did you really just post that?
Jesus H. Christ in a chicken basket, you've just made yourself a great example of why people should watch Gundam shows other than Wing.

Yeah, I'm a bit surprised I posted that as well.

However, the fact is that I've never met a person who's well-educated in the fields of History or English (teachers initially and later college students) who didn't like Gundam Wing. That's because it has many clear-as-day pros (and cons as well) that neither Star Trek nor Star Wars, the two major sci-fi franchises that people have been exposed to, have. Is UC better? ..Does it matter? Should one not read anything that wasn't written by Shakespeare just because he's believed to be the best writer in the history of the English language? (Which reminds me that, in my early years of high school, I had a tendency to make analogies between Shakespeare and UC, specifically Zeta, although a little more exposure to Shakespeare made me think that Shakespeare has more surface elements in common with Wing, if anything. >_< Except that Shakespeare doesn't get dubbed idiotic when a clock finds its way into a his play about ancient Rome.)

Wing's hardly a bad series. The same's true of G, although Super Robot shows are arguably less popular nowadays than "gritty" "mecha" shows.

[Soluzar]

I watched Gundam Wing starting from 8th grade through all of high school and frequently "scavenged" paper topics from it. I was praised as a great writer by my History and English teachers throughout all those years, and I don't recall that ever being the case before I started watching Gundam Wing. You can argue that the praise and accompanying grades were undeserved, but it's hardly a valid argument when nowadays everyone is looking for the "single magical source of good grades."
I neither know nor care whether your grades were deserved, but that is hardly the point to be made here. The real issue is that if you were in fact a "great writer", then you would have been able to turn your hand to any subject matter which pleased you, and still get good grades.

You can't seriously be advocating that students should watch Gundam Wing in order to improve their writing. You must realise that such a statement would be irrational in the extreme.

When I first watched the initial episodes of the series fansubbed, I took to writing stories with impulsively angsty and violent characters in the style of Camille for my Creative Writing class. Boy, did I get shot down for those.. my teacher spent a long time telling me that superfluous and impulsive expressions of emotion that try to convey the impression of a complex psychology are a weak technique that wouldn't be accepted in most professional writing situations.
I hope you realise just how biased and petty these comments are making you sound. It's not what I would like to expect from you. The more rational view would be to blame your own lack of understanding of the character of Camille for your failiure to succeed in these attempts. If not that, then to blame your own inability to write characters of that nature. It is grossly improper to assume that because your own attempts were bad, that upon which they were based is also bad. I could say a lot more about this, but this entire post is a specious argument based on fallacy and you probably know that.

Try not to do it again. It's beneath your dignity.

However, the fact is that I've never met a person who's well-educated in the fields of History or English (teachers initially and later college students) who didn't like Gundam Wing.
That is not a fact, it is an unsupported assertion. It doesn't say much about your argument if you do not distinguish between the two. Even if I were to accept your claim at face value, you can hardly expect me to assign it any significance. First of all I must question the size of your sample group, and secondly I must suggest the possibility of cognitive bias affecting your data.

I was intending to stay out of this thread, regardless of the content of your previous post, but when I saw that you insist on pursuing the argument with even more fallacious arguments, I've got to speak. When it comes to a matter of opinion, we simply disagree. When it comes to matters such as these, in which you are attempting to construct a logical basis for your arguments, then I suggest that you have met your match.

That's because it has many clear-as-day pros (and cons as well) that neither Star Trek nor Star Wars, the two major sci-fi franchises that people have been exposed to, have.The first thing that I must point out is that Gundam Wing is not really a franchise, consisting as it does of only a single TV series and an OVA/movie. The whole of Gundam could be described as a franchise, but you were not referring to anything other than Gundam Wing.

I must also remind you that unless one is dealing with Japan alone, it is laughable to consider even the Gundam franchise as whole comparable with Star Wars or Star Trek in popularity. If you are considering the Anglophone world, which it seems that you are, it is as though you were comparing a log cabin with the Empire State Building.

Is UC better? ..Does it matter?
For the purposes of this discussion, it doesn't matter at all. This discussion is about the relative merits of G Gundam and Gundam Wing. However, in your previous post, you were unable to resist making a complex argument for the superiority of Gundam Wing over Zeta Gundam, and so this particular comment seems a little strange in that context.

Wing's hardly a bad series.
That's hardly a matter of consensus, but since you've refused to indulge in rational discussion of the flaws of Gundam Wing before, it would be illogical to assume that you would do so now.

I can remember one recent major discussion of the flaws of Gundam Wing, and it did not degenerate into a flame war. There were countless reasons presented in that topic, and very little in the way of rational response from the Wing fans.

It's a deeply flawed series. The characterisation for some pilots is shallow and lacking, the plot is repetitive, and there is little or no attempt to engender suspension of disbelief. It has good parts, and a few good characters. It has some excellent mechanical designs.

It's a mixed bag. At best.

[MonkeyBoy0314]

Wow, this thread's still going...

Just to let you know I bought all of G Gundam months ago and never gave Wing a second thought, so I guess all this thread is good for now is serving as the epicenter for flame wars :lol:

[Amuro]

Well, of course my post was largely subjective and opinionated, and I apologize for being the chief contributor to the full-on flame war that may have just started.

However, as I often am, I was offended by CrossboneGundam's post to the degree that I wasn't able to resist firing back. If anything, I at least made an argument, if a weak one, for my point of view, whereas Crossbone has a tendency to make harsh-toned inflammatory statements like "it just tries to make it sound deep by throwing a lot of useless, irrelevant psuedo-political ranting in to cover it up. Add to that a total lack of depth or likability to the characters, and I'd say we have a loser." and "[Macross is a lot more complex than the Frankenstein's monster that is Robotech]" (in a past thread) that are simple rehashes of the "cool opinion" and are not supported by any attempts to bring new evidence, or even previously cited evidence, to the table.
If you don't have the time to elaborate, at least please try to make your posts least blatantly sharp-tongued to the degree that they serve no purpose other than to invite anyone who disagrees with your opinion to jump into a full-on war.

[Sendo Takeshi]

But, it's funny. Especially when people take the internet seriously. Plus, Gundam Wing sucks anyway. It tries too hard to deliver a message that isn't even there. It was just a marketing ploy to get more girls into Gundam. It pales in comparison to the likes of U.C. material.

Gundam Wing basically presents itself with a thesaurus and tries to play itself off as some intellectual masterpiece when it was just the G.I. Joe of Gundams.

[Daishikaze]

G.I. Joe Of Gundams lol

I like that

[earsofdoom]

Gundam Wing basically presents itself with a thesaurus and tries to play itself off as some intellectual masterpiece when it was just the G.I. Joe of Gundams.

So true, what's worse is when the fan's of it use that same excuse while proclaiming it the best damn gundam ever made. we all know the real reason they liked it.

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/421/gundam20moon20sailor20moonpi9.jpg

:P

[Amuro]

..and which one of us had that picture close at hand? <_<

Speaking of what fans like to do with the series.. the non-yaoi Gundam Wing fanart on deviantart isn't too bad..

http://ic1.deviantart.com/fs10/i/2006/096/b/b/Relena_Peacecraft_by_lurazeda.jpg

http://tn3-1.deviantart.com/fs9/300W/i/2006/017/4/4/Treize_by_GenyaXAdrian.jpg

http://tn3-2.deviantart.com/fs5/300W/i/2004/294/2/0/Zechs_Milliardo_Gundam_Wing_by_milliardo fanclub.jpg

http://ic1.deviantart.com/fs4/i/2005/138/7/a/Hilde_in_the_Hospital_by_Hilde_Schbeiker .png

Ok, so some of it is lousy. I was tempted to throw in a few Heero X Relena sex pics to prove that some people like non-Yaoi pairings of the Wing characters as well but I wasn't certain about the board's policy on sex/nudity.

[Quattro Ninja]

Wing makes kittens cry.

[CrossboneGundam]

Well, of course my post was largely subjective and opinionated, and I apologize for being the chief contributor to the full-on flame war that may have just started.

However, as I often am, I was offended by CrossboneGundam's post to the degree that I wasn't able to resist firing back. If anything, I at least made an argument, if a weak one, for my point of view, whereas Crossbone has a tendency to make harsh-toned inflammatory statements like "it just tries to make it sound deep by throwing a lot of useless, irrelevant psuedo-political ranting in to cover it up. Add to that a total lack of depth or likability to the characters, and I'd say we have a loser." and "[Macross is a lot more complex than the Frankenstein's monster that is Robotech]" (in a past thread) that are simple rehashes of the "cool opinion" and are not supported by any attempts to bring new evidence, or even previously cited evidence, to the table.
If you don't have the time to elaborate, at least please try to make your posts least blatantly sharp-tongued to the degree that they serve no purpose other than to invite anyone who disagrees with your opinion to jump into a full-on war.

:lol:

Why should I have to prove to you that Wing is mediocre anime and bad Gundam when you've already heard plenty of great arguments from people much smarter than me to that point, but still defend it as the best there is? That's like a metaphor for doing something impossible.

Besides, when your best "evidence" is that your teachers liked it (and therefore it must be the best Gundam ever made,) or they liked your stories written inspired by it more than stories inspired by Zeta, it's folly to expect anyone to respect that as a legitimate argument.

[Amuro]

Well, if you realize that the opinion that Wing sucks is well-known, then why do you bring it up in the first place in a manner well-suited to provoking arguments as if you think you'll shock the world with this great revelation? The reason I presented my "illegitimate argument" is to not throw in a line of criticism and then jump ship like you have shown a tendency to do.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Well, if you realize that the opinion that Wing sucks is well-known, then why do you bring it up in the first place in a manner well-suited to provoking arguments as if you think you'll shock the world with this great revelation? The reason I presented my "illegitimate argument" is to not throw in a line of criticism and then jump ship like you have shown a tendency to do.



I say it sucks and my name has red letters. Case Closed.

[Daishikaze]

That, and you're Brock F'n Samson......so I wouldn't question this ruling.

[Amuro]

........:(

[Magami No ER]

Amuro, you liking the series even when others find so much fault with it(I myself haven't seen Wing) doesn't have to be a bad thing thing if you don't let it get to you. You said your peace a while ago(then later retracted it), some criticised it, others chewed it up entirely. Really though, any benefit this further discussion would've had for the point of the thread has completely eroded by now, since this is obviously just an old bump.
Time to take these things with a grain of salt, perhaps? ^_^

[Wraith Gundam]

I'm not even voting on the issue since the two series are far too different from one another to be compared; both series have their highs and lows, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion, it simply depends on which kind of Gundam style you prefer.

Sure I liked Gundam Wing, and I liked G Gundam too, neither is better than the other, they're just different, G Gundam simply had that element of originality to it, whilst Gundam Wing is viewed by a lot of people as condensed version of UC events that isn't as good as it.

Personally, in the months since this thread was started I've never seen the point in arguing over the two:huh: . Don't bother deciding on one or the other, both series have since come out in more affordable forms so get both and then if you really need to, then pick your favourite.

[Daishikaze]

And sell the other one on Ebay or something

[Wraith Gundam]

And sell the other one on Ebay or something

Thats always an option, and it benefits others; I got all 4 of the original G Gundam box sets on eBay for $30!!

[Bernard_Monsha]

........:(

Oh come on I'm not serious


Except about it sucking which it does.

[aoishonen7]

^ That is the only reason I like Gundam Wing. I'd pick niether If it came down to taking the plot seriously.
"Heeeeero!!! If your out there come and kill Meeeeeeeeeeee!!!!"
Relena Peacecraft-

[Matsu'o Tsurayaba]

G Gundam is if you want a Gundam series that has a story,with plenty of action.Gundam Wing is if you want a story that gets very deep,and makes you think about things after you watch it.

[Amuro]

G Gundam is if you want a Gundam series that has a story,with plenty of action.Gundam Wing is if you want a story that gets very deep,and makes you think about things after you watch it.
Unless you're too lazy to think and want to watch a show that actually makes sense so that you don't have to think about it.

..did I just diss Wing?

Ah! I've got it: maybe Wing should come with a "some assembly required" disclaimer.

[Sharp-kun]

I say it sucks and my name has red letters. Case Closed.
Seconded ;) :P

I like Wings mech designs (for the grunts and Tallgeese), I appreciate the music, but the plot and the general believiblility of the series leaves a lot to be desired. Older members may recall the long thread Uberdirector and I had against Shadowsonic over the many, many silly things in the plot, such as Quatra's coding of the Zero System code and building the mech in a stupidly short timespan by himself.

This post was written under the influence of alchohol.

[shin_gyokakuran]

I like G because it much more action packed and the animation looks a bit like from the Final days of Getter. Rain Mikamura also is much more sexier than Relena, but i like Relena too...wish she could pilot a gundam :lol:

[aoishonen7]

Seconded ;) :P

I like Wings mech designs (for the grunts and Tallgeese), I appreciate the music, but the plot and the general believiblility of the series leaves a lot to be desired. Older members may recall the long thread Uberdirector and I had against Shadowsonic over the many, many silly things in the plot, such as Quatra's coding of the Zero System code and building the mech in a stupidly short timespan by himself.

This post was written under the influence of alchohol.

Oh come on it's anime. Is it REALLY supposed to be realistic? If you wanted to take it like that how about concept of giant mecha being used in a war in general. Sharp-kun, just because the posibility of a 15 year old blonde-arab-test-tube-baby-turned-gurella-warmonger/peace keeper seems far fetched dosen't mean that G Gundam is any better. Granted GW is pretty melow dramatic and sometimes the dialouge is laughable dosent make it a bad anime.

[Levon]

Sharp isn't talking about being super realistic, I think he is talking about logic here, "such as Quatra's coding of the Zero System code and building the mech in a stupidly short timespan by himself.". Many unlogical & silly plots & characters. Wing was a very serious show & was meant to be taken serious, but its hard to do when you have such unlogical silly plots & characters(for example, Wufei rants about integrity & honor yet we see him kill soldiers in there sleep).

G Gundam wasn't meant to be taken serious, its silly & unlogical world. But the characters had logic & the story wasn't a big mess.


I don't think Wing is bad, just HIGHLY flawed.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Seconded ;) :P

I like Wings mech designs (for the grunts and Tallgeese), I appreciate the music, but the plot and the general believiblility of the series leaves a lot to be desired. Older members may recall the long thread Uberdirector and I had against Shadowsonic over the many, many silly things in the plot, such as Quatra's coding of the Zero System code and building the mech in a stupidly short timespan by himself.

This post was written under the influence of alchohol.

Don't invoke that name lest he come back and make useless futile arguments for 20 pages.

And of course the obligatory site for this thread. (http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/zeonbase/Wingsux.html)

[Soluzar]

Oh come on it's anime. Is it REALLY supposed to be realistic?When did Sharp even use the word "realistic"? You're just exhibiting a knee-jerk response without properly reading the post. The term used was "believable", and that's about characterisation as much as anything. It's not that the premise is far-fetched. The premise for almost every anime I've ever seen (including most slice-of-life) is far fetched. What's important is that the character do things that are consistent with the way they have been shown to act.

This isn't about realism at all. It's about characters who act in a way that doesn't directly contradict their stated beliefs. G Gundam has that. Gundam Wing does not. Some of the characters are written better than others, but as a rule, you can count on them to do things that don't make sense in terms of their established character.

[Demonboy]

This isn't about realism at all. It's about characters who act in a way that doesn't directly contradict their stated beliefs. G Gundam has that. Gundam Wing does not. Some of the characters are written better than others, but as a rule, you can count on them to do things that don't make sense in terms of their established character.

hey well said

[Amuro]

Ironically enough, one of the things that hindered my enjoyment of Zeta and Turn-A was that, during "filler episodes" characters acted like "filler-characters" in that they simply read whatever line was required in the given situation and were indistinguishable from their Yu-Gi-Oh counterparts in terms of personality.

I'm not saying it happened any more than is expected from ANY long television series, but I think that everyone is prone to refusing to see the flaws of their own favorite series while homing in on all the flaws of others'.

I don't disagree about the presence of most cited flaws in Wing, but the point is that any series can have such a long list of flaws written up for it, and that declaring that a series is "bad" simply because of specific flaws ignores the larger picture. It can be said that a piece of writing is only as intelligent as the viewer's analysis of it. That's supported by the depth of reflection that some people have on the subject of blank pieces of paper while shrugging off academic articles.
Going back to the tired Shakespeare example, some people have claimed that Shakespeare's characters are flat, exaggerated caricatures. His portrayal of events is called unrealistic--whole armies traverse from place to place and kill one another in overly short periods of time. No one claims that the plots of Shakespeare's plays are original.
Yet this guy is possibly the most well-defended writer in history. His fans claim that the exaggeration of characters is necessary to allow the audience to understand them, like a microscope blows an object out of scale so that we can analyze it. They would claim that, whenever a character acts "out of character," a great analysis of the human psyche as well as a revealing glimpse at Shakespeare's own ideology is taking place. Naturally, any scientific inaccuracies are brushed aside as necessary casualties to the process of creating a piece of entertainment.
Who knows who's right? Does it matter? What matters is that the fans of Shakespeare stretch their minds in the analysis of his plays and that they receive entertainment from them.

All knowledge is circumstantial, and it's silly to claim that there's are clear definitions of "good shows" and "bad shows" that some people are simply incapable of understanding. It's true that at one point a group valuing one definition may become the dominant majority, in which case being a member of the minority becomes difficult, but that doesn't mean that members of both groups shouldn't try to have faith in the fact that their own knowledge is circumstantial and thus cease attempting to convince the other group of their "sole truth".

[Bernard_Monsha]

Ironically enough, one of the things that hindered my enjoyment of Zeta and Turn-A was that, during "filler episodes" characters acted like "filler-characters" in that they simply read whatever line was required in the given situation and were indistinguishable from their Yu-Gi-Oh counterparts in terms of personality.

I'm not saying it happened any more than is expected from ANY long television series, but I think that everyone is prone to refusing to see the flaws of their own favorite series while homing in on all the flaws of others'.

I don't disagree about the presence of most cited flaws in Wing, but the point is that any series can have such a long list of flaws written up for it, and that declaring that a series is "bad" simply because of specific flaws ignores the larger picture. It can be said that a piece of writing is only as intelligent as the viewer's analysis of it. That's supported by the depth of reflection that some people have on the subject of blank pieces of paper while shrugging off academic articles.
Going back to the tired Shakespeare example, some people have claimed that Shakespeare's characters are flat, exaggerated caricatures. His portrayal of events is called unrealistic--whole armies traverse from place to place and kill one another in overly short periods of time. No one claims that the plots of Shakespeare's plays are original.
Yet this guy is possibly the most well-defended writer in history. His fans claim that the exaggeration of characters is necessary to allow the audience to understand them, like a microscope blows an object out of scale so that we can analyze it. They would claim that, whenever a character acts "out of character," a great analysis of the human psyche as well as a revealing glimpse at Shakespeare's own ideology is taking place. Naturally, any scientific inaccuracies are brushed aside as necessary casualties to the process of creating a piece of entertainment.
Who knows who's right? Does it matter? What matters is that the fans of Shakespeare stretch their minds in the analysis of his plays and that they receive entertainment from them.

All knowledge is circumstantial, and it's silly to claim that there's are clear definitions of "good shows" and "bad shows" that some people are simply incapable of understanding. It's true that at one point a group valuing one definition may become the dominant majority, in which case being a member of the minority becomes difficult, but that doesn't mean that members of both groups shouldn't try to have faith in the fact that their own knowledge is circumstantial and thus cease attempting to convince the other group of their "sole truth".



Shakespeare is still shown in multiple languages around the world 400 years since his death. Gundam Wing is well past it's prime and will soon fade back into obscurity never to be heard from again.

[Levon]

Ironically enough, one of the things that hindered my enjoyment of Zeta and Turn-A was that, during "filler episodes" characters acted like "filler-characters" in that they simply read whatever line was required in the given situation and were indistinguishable from their Yu-Gi-Oh counterparts in terms of personality.

That's actually where part of my depreciation of Zeta comes from: When I first watched the initial episodes of the series fansubbed, I took to writing stories with impulsively angsty and violent characters in the style of Camille for my Creative Writing class. Boy, did I get shot down for those.. my teacher spent a long time telling me that superfluous and impulsive expressions of emotion that try to convey the impression of a complex psychology are a weak technique that wouldn't be accepted in most professional writing situations. I'm not necessarily saying that Camille was simply a facade and not a truly developed character as well (although I think that he was) but simply that Zeta had a negative effect on my output.


What does Zeta and Turn A have to do with this thread anyway?-_-; Its as if your mad people are bashing your beloved Wing so you go and bash our favorites in a childish retaliation.

[Amuro]

Shakespeare is still shown in multiple languages around the world 400 years since his death. Gundam Wing is well past it's prime and will soon fade back into obscurity never to be heard from again.
At what point was I saying anything along the lines of "Gundam Wing is as good as Shakespeare?" I believe that you're misconstruing my post.
Levon, It's true that Zeta, Turn-A, and Shakespeare were not mentioned in the original post, but I see this case as being one where the phrase "a good offense is the best defense" holds most true. In theory, I should be mentioning flaws of G Gundam, but I've never given G Gundam much thought and consequently don't have much to note about it.. (Which might be why I'm choosing to defend the series that I found more noteworthy in this little contest)

[Soluzar]

What does Zeta and Turn A have to do with this thread anyway?-_-; Its as if your mad people are bashing your beloved Wing so you go and bash our favorites in a childish retaliation.
I was trying to think of the right way to word that ever since I saw the first of Amuro's posts in this thread. That is exactly what he's doing, and he's admitted to it.

It's pretty cheap, and pretty childish. Normally we can expect better from Amuro. Really it would be better if this thread were locked now. It's going further down a pointless path with every post.

[Amuro]

..I fail to see the problem with drawing examples from the favorite shows of the person who I'm debating with in defense of my favorite show.

When you watch a debate between two candidates for office, one will note a flaw in the other's plan to combat the.. globalization of jobs.. and the other will draw attention to the fact that the other candidate hasn't even mentioned a plan for combating the issue in question. When you're performing a comparison rather than an individual analysis, I fail to see any other way to lead a defense.

As noted, it would have been more fitting to point out flaws in G Gundam, but two things prevented this:

First: My knowledge of G Gundam isn't good enough to draw specific examples, so thus I tried to draw attention to the larger picture of what made the series good when stacked against others and

Second: The opposition did not express a clear stance on G Gundam except "It's a super robot show, so it's immune from any charges that can be brought against Gundam Wing and thus superior" and then went on to call Wing's characters simplistic, its plot full of holes, and so on. I now was put in a position where I had to defend Wing's characters and plot. However, the opposition had not actually expressed a belief in the superiority of either G's characters or plot and had in fact, if anything, acknowledged that the same lapses in logic were present in G but were excusable simply because it was a super robot show, which voided direct comparison (making the purpose of the thread questionable in the first place). Thus, in order to defend Wing's characters and logic, I had to compare it to the series which the opposition accepted as fine examples of characters and logic and considered to be eligible for direct comparison with Wing.

I don't see what else I could have done if I wanted to prevent a biased one-sided harangue about my favorite series. It doesn't feel pleasant to have one's favorite series trampled over with hardly-anyone offering the least bit of the alternate point-of-view. I offered that point-of-view as best I could.

[Levon]

..I fail to see the problem with drawing examples from the favorite shows of the person who I'm debating with in defense of my favorite show.

When you watch a debate between two candidates for office, one will note a flaw in the other's plan to combat the.. globalization of jobs.. and the other will draw attention to the fact that the other candidate hasn't even mentioned a plan for combating the issue in question. When you're performing a comparison rather than an individual analysis, I fail to see any other way to lead a defense.

You actually don't see the problem?

We are talking about Wing, nothing to do with our favorites, yet you attack our favorites in defence of Wing. Huh?:lol:
Your not even comparing them to Wing. Your just using our negative opinions on Wing as the reason why you don't like our favorites.



Really it would be better if this thread were locked now. It's going further down a pointless path with every post.

Nah, as long as we stay on the topic and don't start debating about how Zeta is bad compared to Wing we should be fine;) It would be a big war if that started:P

[Soluzar]

..I fail to see the problem with drawing examples from the favorite shows of the person who I'm debating with in defense of my favorite show.
Becayes those other anime aren't relevant, and even if we disregard that, the recent things that you had to say weren't exactly what I'd call intelligent criticism. I almost posted to pick apart your arguments, but then I figured that you're beyond having a reasonable discussion, at least temporarily. You don't respond to logic on this subject, you don't seem to understand the nature of properly building an argument, and you are quite willing to bring in unrelated matters if you believe (however erroneously) it will serve your case. I'm still waiting for you to mention Star Wars. :P

You've taken this thread wildly off-topic, and I'm genuinely sorry that this post had to be made, but you're just not being an adult about this. We've actually had some interesting (if heated) discussions in the past, but this is just tiresome.

When you watch a debate between two candidates for office, one will note a flaw in the other's plan to combat the.. globalization of jobs.. and the other will draw attention to the fact that the other candidate hasn't even mentioned a plan for combating the issue in question. When you're performing a comparison rather than an individual analysis, I fail to see any other way to lead a defense.
What you have done is comparable to attacking a different candidate altogether. It's as though you were seeking to refute candidate A's plan to combat the globalisation of jobs by criticising candidate F's foreign policy, when candidate F is not even present at the debate.

As noted, it would have been more fitting to point out flaws in G Gundam, but two things prevented this:
It would have been fitting to point out flaws in G Gundam, and that's the end of the matter. There simply isn't any relevance to discussing Zeta Gundam or Turn A Gundam in this thread. The topic is Gundam Wing and G Gundam. If you have nothing to say about those anime, then you shouldn't be posting.

First: My knowledge of G Gundam isn't good enough to draw specific examples, so thus I tried to draw attention to the larger picture of what made the series good when stacked against others, andJust because you don't know enough about G Gundam doesn't somehow magically make other series relevant. If you believe you can only defend Gundam Wing by pointing out what you perceive to be flaws in other anime, then it seems that you must not be entirely confident of the quality of your favourite anime. It is never a valid defence to say "anime x is bad, but anime y and anime z are so much worse. Even if your criticisms were valid, that doesn't make anime x any better, it just gives us two more bad anime to add to the pile.

Second: The opposition did not express a clear stance on G Gundam except "It's a super robot show, so it's immune from any charges that can be brought against Gundam Wing and thus superior" and then went on to call Wing's characters simplistic, its plot full of holes, and so on.
That's a gross misrepresentation. While it might be true that not many people have spoken up about the particular strengths of G Gundam, the majority of the comments in this thread has not been to that effect. I don't think it's ever valid to excuse an anime from a particular form of criticism due to the genre it is in.

I think you're mistaken. People said that G Gundam doesn't need to be realistic because it is a super robot anime, but then realism is not first on the list of my criticisms of Gundam Wing. The first two entries on my list of gripes with Wing are characterisation and believability. Believability isn't the same as realism, you know.

I've seen plenty of posts praising the quality of story and characterisation in G Gundam, while I've been reviewing this thread. I've seen plenty of people offering rational criticism of both series, although somewhat more criticism of Gundam Wing. I'm not buying this act, Amuro.

I now was put in a position where I wanted to defend Wing's characters and plot.I fixed that right up for you. It's not as though you didn't have a choice. It's not as though you were under the obligation. You could just avoid clicking the thread. You could even avoid coming to the forum altogether, if you wish.

I don't see what else I could have done if I wanted to prevent a biased one-sided harangue about my favorite series. It doesn't feel pleasant to have one's favorite series trampled over with hardly-anyone offering the least bit of the alternate point-of-view. I offered that point-of-view as best I could.Oh Amuro... do you really believe what you are saying? You didn't offer that point-of -view any time in your most recent dozen posts, and we both know it. Your first few posts in this thread, were much like mine. Reasonable, balanced presentations of your viewpoint, which were balanced and intelligent. You should go back and read them. You may be ashamed of your recent work, once you do.

You're right, it's not pleasant to see your favourite series dragged through the mud, but here on the internets, each person will voice their views as best they see fit. Some people may have said "Gundam Wing just plain sucks", but they didn't resort to criticism of Robotech as well, which is easily comparable to what you have done.

I think you need to toughen up. Being a Gundam Wing fan on this forum is never going to be an easy ride, but that doesn't give you the right to resort to these kind of tactics.

If you really still don't see anything wrong with what you've posted recently, then I suggest that we have nothing further to discuss. I've done my best to remain civil, but really I don't feel much like being civil any longer.

[Amuro]

I don't see why, when a thread that had been inactive for two-and-a-half months was bumped up by a poster who expressed the opinion that Wing was "deeper" than G, an opinion that is popularly perceived as naive and ignorant, Crossbone, rather than informing the poster that the thread had been dead for some time and gently introducing into the belief that there is less to Wing than there might appear to be to the unexperienced eye, decided to launch into a full-on flame rant so that he could gloat at his superiority.

Afterwards, I jumped into this thread simply with the idea of fighting out a full-on flame war with Crossbone--those were the conditions under which I first brought-up Zeta. Then, when additional posters like yourself entered the discussion in full force, I attempted to salvage a logical discussion and, well, failed I guess..

I don't know if I should willingly jump into a flame war under any circumstances, but I don't think that I should receive more than a portion of the blame in any case. (Yes, this fits nicely with the "childish" image of children pointing fingers, now try look beyond the preconception that some of us have surpassed that "childishness," accept the fact that all our social interactions are still very much driven by the desire to make ourselves feel better, and address the real issue..)

[Soluzar]

I get it now. You thought that CrossboneGundam was acting like a jerk, so you decided to act like a jerk yourself, in response. Now you're putting forward his behaviour as an excuse for your own, despite the fact that he hasn't posted since Post #89 (http://animenation.net/forums/showpost.php?p=5985184&postcount=89), while you're still fanning the flames as late as Post #109 (http://animenation.net/forums/showpost.php?p=5987291&postcount=109).

Saying that "He started it!" is a defence that never worked even in grade school, and you have admitted this. At the very least, CrossboneGundam's post was on-topic for the thread. If you felt that it was so bad as to warrant a response of this nature from you, then perhaps you should acquaint yourself with the "report post" button.

[CrossboneGundam]

I don't see why, when a thread that had been inactive for two-and-a-half months was bumped up by a poster who expressed the opinion that Wing was "deeper" than G, an opinion that is popularly perceived as naive and ignorant, Crossbone, rather than informing the poster that the thread had been dead for some time and gently introducing into the belief that there is less to Wing than there might appear to be to the unexperienced eye, decided to launch into a full-on flame rant so that he could gloat at his superiority.

Afterwards, I jumped into this thread simply with the idea of fighting out a full-on flame war with Crossbone--those were the conditions under which I first brought-up Zeta. Then, when additional posters like yourself entered the discussion in full force, I attempted to salvage a logical discussion and, well, failed I guess..

I don't know if I should willingly jump into a flame war under any circumstances, but I don't think that I should receive more than a portion of the blame in any case. (Yes, this fits nicely with the "childish" image of children pointing fingers, now try look beyond the preconception that some of us have surpassed that "childishness," accept the fact that all our social interactions are still very much driven by the desire to make ourselves feel better, and address the real issue..)

What the hell?
You need to look up some definitions of these things, as what you're describing is utterly contradictory to reality.

I said that Wing was no deeper than G Gundam, it just pretended to be more so, and followed that with a blatantly silly cheer in favor of G Gundam.

Clearly, to any sane person, that's not flaming or personal gloating or what-have-you. It's also rather clear to the mods, sane or not, as I've received no message or reprimand for it.

[Amuro]

It seems we misunderstood one another, then..

I apologize for the trouble and will try to take what you say with a grain of salt (or sugar, rather) in the future.

[Demon_Eva01]

I'd go for Wing, but thats just me

[Soluzar]

I'd go for Wing, but thats just me
The guy asking the question actually already posted to say he made his choice. This thread is past its expiry date, and it's starting to smell. :naughty:

[Amuro]

Yeah, although it's discouraging to newcomers, I think that perhaps it may even be smart to.. propose.. a permanent rule/sticky banning posts that simply compare one series to another and promoting posts with more complex titles like "Gundam ____ seems to take a stance on existentialism that is opposite to that put forth by ____ in Gundam ____" :uhh:

[Lt. Oliver May]

I say make better use of your money and buy The 08th MS Team and the new MS IGLOO. IGLOO is CGI animated, and idk if youre into that but i personally loved it.

[Levon]

Buy MS IGLOO?:huh:

[Sendo Takeshi]

I say make better use of your money and buy The 08th MS Team and the new MS IGLOO. IGLOO is CGI animated, and idk if youre into that but i personally loved it.


Yeah, if you're into the Region 2 scene. Other than that, there's no way to get it in America unless you download. Plus, this thread is hella old.

[Levon]

Or unless he is talking about a bootleg....

[Sendo Takeshi]

Or unless he is talking about a bootleg....


Or a download. And I sure as hell would love to be pointed to one. Kinda wanna see this too.

Oh wait....*opens new tab*

[CrossboneGundam]

I say make better use of your money and buy The 08th MS Team and the new MS IGLOO. IGLOO is CGI animated, and idk if youre into that but i personally loved it.

08th MS Team is vastly overrated. And you can't just go out and buy Igloo or Evolve.

[Lt. Oliver May]

this is where i got it, works just fine for Region 1

[Suiko Eiji]

^ Hooray Bootlegs! [/sarcasm]

[Tidusauron12]

G Gundam. G Gundam. G Gundam. G Gundam. G GUNDAM.

You can't go wrong with anything that starts with G. I mean duh, G, Goku? Get it?

Since Goku is made of win, G Gundam is made of win too.

I liked G Gundam alot more than Gundam Wing.

[Mystic Gohan]

I say Gundam Wing if your into the whole "the world is bigger than a fight between two mechs" Gundam Wing has class and is really professional in the story plot. I prefer it because of its classiness....I dont even know if thats a real word. G Gundam has more action but it also takes less brain power to watch it. Its exciting and action packed but I hated it because it took away the level of class the Gundam franchise had over most anime. But in both series the main characters are total ****s and are rude to everyone.

If you love action packed non-stop brainless action present in most Shounen anime G is your best bet.

If you to use your brain and love politics but dont mind episodes going by with no action the Wing is your best bet.

[Bernard_Monsha]

I say Gundam Wing if your into the whole "the world is bigger than a fight between two mechs" Gundam Wing has class and is really professional in the story plot. I prefer it because of its classiness....I dont even know if thats a real word. G Gundam has more action but it also takes less brain power to watch it. Its exciting and action packed but I hated it because it took away the level of class the Gundam franchise had over most anime. But in both series the main characters are total ****s and are rude to everyone.

If you love action packed non-stop brainless action present in most Shounen anime G is your best bet.

If you to use your brain and love politics but dont mind episodes going by with no action the Wing is your best bet.

Prepare for the deluge of UC brigade.

[Tiran]

I say Gundam Wing if your into the whole "the world is bigger than a fight between two mechs" Gundam Wing has class and is really professional in the story plot. I prefer it because of its classiness....I dont even know if thats a real word. G Gundam has more action but it also takes less brain power to watch it. Its exciting and action packed but I hated it because it took away the level of class the Gundam franchise had over most anime. But in both series the main characters are total ****s and are rude to everyone.

If you love action packed non-stop brainless action present in most Shounen anime G is your best bet.

If you to use your brain and love politics but dont mind episodes going by with no action the Wing is your best bet.

I have no copypasta on hand at the moment, but suffice to say if you want politics in a show, Zeta Gundam is very much your best bet. A much more likable cast and the politics actualy make sense.

[Levon]

I say Gundam Wing if your into the whole "the world is bigger than a fight between two mechs" Gundam Wing has class and is really professional in the story plot. I prefer it because of its classiness....I dont even know if thats a real word. G Gundam has more action but it also takes less brain power to watch it. Its exciting and action packed but I hated it because it took away the level of class the Gundam franchise had over most anime. But in both series the main characters are total ****s and are rude to everyone.

If you love action packed non-stop brainless action present in most Shounen anime G is your best bet.

If you to use your brain and love politics but dont mind episodes going by with no action the Wing is your best bet.

A DBZ fan saying such a thing:-" If anything I'd expect you to like G over Wing.

Did you even watch all of G Gundam? While at first it mostly starts out with Domon going around countries fighting people(which was mostly character introductions) and searching for his brother, the show isn't just about Gundam fights. It gets more deep than that. Its not just about Gundam fights, if it was it would be like Zoids Zero, which was plain brainless.

G Gundam take away the level of class from the Gundam franchise? Hell no, its from the director of Giant Robo. That man knows style & class. Wing is the one with no class, what we get is a bunch of unemotional pretty boys being stupid gods. Its the most hated Gundam by Gundam fans, it ruins the class of Gundam. People that never seen any other Gundam will watch Wing and think Gundam will be like that very flawed show.

G Gundam was original & different, you shouldn't call it brainless. Wing is one most of us call brainless, the story and characters are so messed up with no logic. I mean the Wing boys were meant to protect/save the colonies but they actually did more harm! Talk about brainless, the Wing boys did nothing but make it much more chaotic for everyone, they are brainless pretty boys going around shooting things is all they do.

[Len]

...People ... voted.. for Gundam Wing?

[Mystic Gohan]

A DBZ fan saying such a thing:-" If anything I'd expect you to like G over Wing.

Did you even watch all of G Gundam? While at first it mostly starts out with Domon going around countries fighting people(which was mostly character introductions) and searching for his brother, the show isn't just about Gundam fights. It gets more deep than that. Its not just about Gundam fights, if it was it would be like Zoids Zero, which was plain brainless.

G Gundam take away the level of class from the Gundam franchise? Hell no, its from the director of Giant Robo. That man knows style & class. Wing is the one with no class, what we get is a bunch of unemotional pretty boys being stupid gods. Its the most hated Gundam by Gundam fans, it ruins the class of Gundam. People that never seen any other Gundam will watch Wing and think Gundam will be like that very flawed show.

G Gundam was original & different, you shouldn't call it brainless. Wing is one most of us call brainless, the story and characters are so messed up with no logic. I mean the Wing boys were meant to protect/save the colonies but they actually did more harm! Talk about brainless, the Wing boys did nothing but make it much more chaotic for everyone, they are brainless pretty boys going around shooting things is all they do.

I didnt know Gundam fans felt so strongly towards Wing. Its a shame it was my favorite series next to 8th MS Team. Oh Well I guess Thats why I'm a primerally a Dragon Ball fan.:naughty:

[Bernard_Monsha]

I didnt know Gundam fans felt so strongly towards Wing. Its a shame it was my favorite series next to 8th MS Team. Oh Well I guess Thats why I'm a primerally a Dragon Ball fan.:naughty:


Wing is considered the poorest of all Gundam series. Rather like compareing the original Dragonball to its stale uninspired sequals Z and GT

[Amuro]

Wing is considered the poorest of all Gundam series. Rather like compareing the original Dragonball to its stale uninspired sequals Z and GT

<_< You're just looking for a fight with the guy who has Gohan as his avatar, aren't you? ^_^

[Soluzar]

<_< You're just looking for a fight with the guy who has Gohan as his avatar, aren't you? ^_^
No kidding. It's also an unfair generalisation. Only the middle parts of Dragonball Z really sucked that bad. The rest just needed to be cut down in lenght by about two thirds to be at the same quality standard as Dragon Ball. I have no kind words for GT though.

[Tiran]

Wing is considered the poorest of all Gundam series.

Destiny.

WTB Characters.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Destiny.

WTB Characters.

Destiny started out very well then fell apart towards the end, it is the opposite of ZZ. Wing was bad in the begining worse in the middle then went back to bad at the end.

[Sendo Takeshi]

I say Gundam Wing if your into the whole "the world is bigger than a fight between two mechs" Gundam Wing has class and is really professional in the story plot.


I stopped reading right here. And then I lol'ed. Then I wanted to read the rest. But, I kept coming back to this opening sentence over and over again. I lol'ed some more.

Gundam Wing has a plot written by 5 staff monkeys and a waitress hooked on meth.

Prepare for the deluge of UC brigade.

I kinda like the sound of that. The U.C. Brigade.

[Mystic Gohan]

No kidding. It's also an unfair generalisation. Only the middle parts of Dragonball Z really sucked that bad. The rest just needed to be cut down in lenght by about two thirds to be at the same quality standard as Dragon Ball. I have no kind words for GT though.

There is no shame in saying GT sucked......it did we all know that.^_^

Wing is considered the poorest of all Gundam series. Rather like compareing the original Dragonball to its stale uninspired sequals Z and GT

Well I enjoyed it. Anyway Z had far more character development, better fight sequences, and more depth per story arc than Dragon Ball, if you think its stale then I'm sorry. But you are fight in some aspects Dragon Ball was a more enjoyable series for some.

<_< You're just looking for a fight with the guy who has Gohan as his avatar, aren't you? ^_^

He did not say anything offensive. Its his opinion.^_^

I stopped reading right here. And then I lol'ed. Then I wanted to read the rest. But, I kept coming back to this opening sentence over and over again. I lol'ed some more.

Gundam Wing has a plot written by 5 staff monkeys and a waitress hooked on meth.



I kinda like the sound of that. The U.C. Brigade.

I'm glad my post tickled your funny bone so.^_^

[Levon]

Destiny started out very well then fell apart towards the end, it is the opposite of ZZ. Wing was bad in the begining worse in the middle then went back to bad at the end.

Destiny had more character interaction, character development & plot in one episode than all of Wing;)

I like Destiny, at least the characters have life and arn't like dull robots. Destiny failed in the end but it was a good effort at least.

[Demonboy]

I like Destiny, at least the characters have life and arn't like dull robots. Destiny failed in the end but it was a good effort at least.

Compared to Wing maybe...but on the whole I'm not so sure.

[Amuro]

at least the characters have life and arn't like dull robots.

hmm.. you hated LoGH, right?

just curious, not going to start a discussion about it..

[Levon]

I never seen LoGH so I wouldn't know. The characters were the biggest flaw for Wing but not the only flaw, even if the characters are dull if it had a great story & other redeeming qualities then that'd be good.

[Baka Ninja]

I used to like Wing,..until I realized the blantant homosexual undertones of the characters. If I were to pick from both,id pick G but dude...UC ALL THE WAY!

[Sharp-kun]

I used to like Wing,..until I realized the blantant homosexual undertones of the characters.
What was wrong with that? The fangirls are annoying, but nothing in the series bothered me.

Incidentally, anyone else noticed that the music is the best thing about the two generally considered to be worst Gundam series - Wing and Destiny?

[Scar (Ishbalan)]

I'd have to disagree, the worst, in my opinion, was SD, the CG Gundam one.

[Lord Timaeus]

I used to like Wing,..until I realized the blantant homosexual undertones of the characters.

You've been reading too much fanfiction. Heero doesn't have enough emotions to be gay, Duo would just chase all his fangirls if he could, Trowa's too suicidal, Quatre's just a sissy*, and Wufei just has a stick up his rear. But they still fail at life, anyway.

*His Maguanac army may all be gay, though.

[Jon]

As lame as shining finger sounds, go with G Gundam.

[Levon]

I'd have to disagree, the worst, in my opinion, was SD, the CG Gundam one.

We don't count that as Gundam;) Its just a CGI children show that happens to use Gundam designs.


SD Gundam from the 80's & 90's are great though.

Super Deformed Gundam = Great
Superior Defender Gundam Force = Who cares?

[Scar (Ishbalan)]

Shining fingers was pretty lame, it even worked its way up to Burning Fingers.

[Lord Timaeus]

Shining fingers was pretty lame, it even worked its way up to Burning Fingers.

In G Gundam's defense, Bakuretsu God Finger sounds cooler than Burning Finger.

[Scar (Ishbalan)]

lol, yeah it does.

[CrossboneGundam]

In G Gundam's defense, Bakuretsu God Finger sounds cooler than Burning Finger.

That'd be Bakunetsu, to be exact.

[Amuro]

Now, seriously, the gundam pilots are portrayed as completely straight in the show. Who in god's name doesn't assume that each male character is attracted to their female "friend"/counterpart?

Anyone who considered that the pilots might be gay without reading it somewhere or seeing a suggestive image deserves an award for thinking outside the box.. or just being sick-minded..

There's more suggestive evidence in the Lord of the Rings movies that Frodo & friends are gay..

[HitokiriShadow]

Well, Quatre and Trowa don't have lovers (Quatre x Eyebrows is a stretch and Trowa x Cathy has little evidence of a romance) and Quatre always seemed a little fruity... But the rest of the characters have little to nothing even hinting at homosexuality and plenty going against it. Especially the supposed pairings. Apparently Wu Fei x Treize is a popular pairing. Where the hell do you get that from?

[Levon]

I think the creators made there sexuallity it to be open for fangirls to fantasize about. Its not really clear ethier way. I for one don't care.

[Len]

Gundam Wing should not be put in the same sentence with any other Gundam.. since It isn't really like many of the others. It's more bland and greyed out. Omnipotent beings blasting things and popping joints back into place.. I don't think skillful immortality was a good gimmick for Gundam Wing.. although it did good for DBZ, it should not have been attempted.

I do like Wing for certain things though; Just Communication, Epyon, Une, and Duo.. but that is the extent of my Gundam Wing love..

Is this truely even a sizeable comparison? G or Wing?

[Baka Ninja]

Gundam Wing should not be put in the same sentence with any other Gundam.. since It isn't really like many of the others. It's more bland and greyed out. Omnipotent beings blasting things and popping joints back into place.. I don't think skillful immortality was a good gimmick for Gundam Wing.. although it did good for DBZ, it should not have been attempted.

I do like Wing for certain things though; Just Communication, Epyon, Une, and Duo.. but that is the extent of my Gundam Wing love..

Is this truely even a sizeable comparison? G or Wing?

Just Communication,thats a great song. Along with "White Reflection" I do like Endless Waltz however.

[CrossboneGundam]

There's more suggestive evidence in the Lord of the Rings movies that Frodo & friends are gay..

I believe that's called "character development."

And it's kind of hard to think about sex of any kind when you're wandering alone through Mordor with countless orcs and monsters bent on making you into a hearty stew.

[Suiko Eiji]

Now, seriously, the gundam pilots are portrayed as completely straight in the show. Who in god's name doesn't assume that each male character is attracted to their female "friend"/counterpart?


You have to remember - we're talking about fangirls, whom are generally devoid of logical, critical-thinking skills.

And it's kind of hard to think about sex of any kind when you're wandering alone through Mordor with countless orcs and monsters bent on making you into a hearty stew.

You've obviously never been to a midnight showing of the films full of cosplaying, squeeling fangirls, have you? What you said makes complete sense - until you add fangirls to the equasion - where any lingering stare is obviously the sign of playing the Hobbit Skin-flute.

Back on a slightly more serious note - I thought all of Two-Mix's songs from Gundam Wing - JUST COMMUNICATION, RHYTHM EMOTION, WHITE REFLECTION, and there was another one they did for the Theatrical Release of Endless Waltz that I can't remember the name of, were all great songs, I thought. Much like Gundam SEED, Wing's strongsuit is its music.

[Gundam01]

Well I've seen G Gundam and it was ok but I prefer Wing since it was the first Gundam series I saw so it got me hooked and it was one of the best in my opinion.