why?.....

[K' Dash]

something bothers me no matter how many times people justify it....check the forehead
http://florian.chatet.free.fr/Wall/neji%20copie.jpg

it just doesnt sit right with me

[K' Dash]

oh and sorry, i was in a rush so the pics kinda... uhh large

[Soluzar]

Is it because you believe that image is a Swastika? Before the Nazis appropriated it for their flag, it was a holy symbol, and in Japan it is still considered to be one. The Japanese call it "Ban", if I recall correctly.

[Haru!]

He also explains this Symbol when he fights Naruto in the Chunnin Exams.

[K' Dash]

i know all that.. but its just been burned into peoples minds as something of evil, it took awhile for me to get what the creators meant by it, but most people havent forgotten what it meant for other "political" groups in the past. its not that i have a problem, its that the people who do far outway the people who dont. the show might as well have lost some viewers who were'nt nessesarily die-hard fans yet, or Neji mightv'e just lost some fans. I could care less, im still a naruto fan and he's still my Fav character. i only posted the thread after my mom was wondering why there was a boy with a "swastika" on my lap top

Oh, and doesn't ban mean Peace or something?

[u_nick]

it honestly never made me think of a swastika until i read this post :(

[K' Dash]

i didnt see it as a swastika till my mom pointed it out to me. i just didnt notice till then, thats why i posted this in the first place

[u_nick]

ah, gotcha

send mom these links, and sit and talk about her with it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyuga_Neji#Ch.C5.ABnin_Exam_arc

It was not until the incident with Kumogakure (Hidden Cloud)'s and Konohagakure (Hidden Leaf)'s peace treaty, however, that Neji truly became who he was when he showed up for the Chūnin exams. The two villages, which were at war with one another, apparently decided to sign a treaty, and for this representatives from Kumogakure arrived. On the same day, the very same curse seal that tortured his father was put upon Neji himself; and that night, the ambassador from the Lightning country attempted to kidnap Hinata, revealing that the intention of the "treaty" was all along to get into the Fire country and acquire the secret of Byakugan. Hiashi detected the intruder and killed him at once, for which Kumogakure, absurdly, requested payback in the form of Hiashi's dead body. That day, Neji's father was sent to his death instead of Hiashi, and Neji grew up believing that his father was sent against his will to protect the Hyūga clan's secret bloodline (though he later discovers that this was not in fact the case; see below).

In the original Japanese manga, Neji's seal is in the shape of a Buddhist Manji (卍). However, in the anime and English manga, it was altered to an "X" because of its resemblance to the Nazi "Hooked Cross" swastika.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manji

# Manji is the Japanese name for a Buddhist and Hindu symbol, 卍, (Chinese: wàn), usually representative of admirable qualities such as peace or intelligence or strength, depending on clockwise or counter-clockwise direction of the arms. As a result of World War II and Nazism, this hooked cross (Hakenkreuz) is usually perceived as the Nazi "hooked cross" swastika, which is usually differentiated from the Manji by a 45 degree rotation and hooked arms facing clockwise. [1]

[Mikadzuki Tatsu]

Maybe it's because I know its original meaning, but I don't really associate the manji with the Nazis anymore. The manji is a sacred symbol in Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism: an Indian woman told me it's a symbol of the ancestors, and has positive connotations in the East.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#Religion_and_tradition
The swastika is found all over Hindu temples, signs, altars, pictures and iconography where it is sacred. It is used in all Hindu weddings, festivals, ceremonies, houses and doorways, clothing and jewelry, motor transport and even decorations on food items like cakes and pastries. It is one of the 108 symbols of Vishnu and represents the sun's rays without which there would be no life.

A swastika marks the beginning of many Buddhist scriptures. The swastikas (in either orientation) appear on the chest of some statues of Gautama Buddha and is often incised on the soles of the feet of the Buddha in statuary. Because of the association with the right facing swastika with Nazism, Buddhist swastikas (outside India only) after the mid-20th century are almost universally left-facing: 卍. This form of the swastika is often found on Chinese food packaging to signify that the product is vegetarian and can be consumed by strict Buddhists. It is often sewn into the collars of Chinese children's clothing to protect them from evil spirits.

The swastika used in Buddhist art and scripture is known in Japanese as a manji (which literally just means "the Chinese character for eternality" 万字), and represents Dharma, universal harmony, and the balance of opposites. When facing left, it is the omote (front) manji, representing love and mercy. Facing right, it represents strength and intelligence, and is called the ura (rear) manji. Balanced manji are often found at the beginning and end of Buddhist scriptures (outside India).

[blackknight]

*Nazi salute* Heil Neji!

I didn't notice it either, but I actually like it more, simply because I look less at what the Nazis did and more at the number of comedic representations of Nazis, namely from Monty Python.

If it offends you, just remember-to kill a Nazi, simply say, "Wenn ist das Nunstuck git und Slotermeyer? Ja!...Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput," and they will die laughing.

[Dan]

its not that i have a problem, its that the people who do far outway the people who dont.

Just want to correct you here.

Add the entire populations of Japan, China and India (not considering any other far east countries) and you have FAR FAR more people who see it as a holy symbol than those who dont.

[K' Dash]

Combine Europe, africa, North and south america, and Oceana (austrailia) and i might have an argument. but it doesnt matter.

thanks for the link Nick, ill use that. (funny thing is, my family spent 2 years in japan to visit my family when i was young, and though she was born in the US, my mom is 1/2 japanese. weird how she reacted like that to the picture)

[K' Dash]

If it offends you, just remember-to kill a Nazi, simply say, "Wenn ist das Nunstuck git und Slotermeyer? Ja!...Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput," and they will die laughing.

what the hell does that mean?

[Dan]

According to "Internet World Stats"

Africa: 14.1%
North America: 5.1 %
Europe: 12.4 %
Oceania: .5%
South America: 7.6%
Total Population: 39.7 %

(Unincluded Mid east: 2.9 %)

Asia: 56.4 %

Margin of error: 1%

Now of course that takes into account all of asia instead of just the three countries I previously stated, but it also assumes enough of an education for even the poorer areas of South America and Africa that are possibly ignorant of the Manji/Swastika significance altogether

sorry, no argument.

[blackknight]

what the hell does that mean?
It means go watch Monty Python's Flying Circus episode 1. It was the final sketch, when a man wrote a joke so funny that anyone reading/hearing it would die laughing. The joke was translated into German for use against the Nazis.

It is actually complete gibberish and means nothing at all.

[Sisco]

Hi there,

you should know that there is a diffrence between the two signs of the nazi and the buddhists!

the original buddhist sign has a right turn (卍), the nazi sign has (had) a left turn (see the picture of the 1st post), so it isnt quite the same.


It means go watch Monty Python's Flying Circus episode 1. It was the final sketch, when a man wrote a joke so funny that anyone reading/hearing it would die laughing. The joke was translated into German for use against the Nazis.

It is actually complete gibberish and means nothing at all.

I tried to read what you wrote but i really couldnt understand it, it really means nothing, its just no german ^^

[K' Dash]

Hi there,

you should know that there is a diffrence between the two signs of the nazi and the buddhists!

the original buddhist sign has a right turn (卍), the nazi sign has (had) a left turn (see the picture of the 1st post), so it isnt quite the same.

are u trying to say neji's symbol isnt the buddhist sign?

[Mikadzuki Tatsu]

the original buddhist sign has a right turn (卍), the nazi sign has (had) a left turn (see the picture of the 1st post), so it isnt quite the same.Both the left-hook manji and the right-hook manji are Hindu, Jain, and Buddhist symbols, and both are equally holy. The Nazis just took the symbol and probably misused it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
The swastika (from Sanskrit स्वास्तिक svastika) is an equilateral cross with its arms bent at right angles in either left-facing (卍) or right-facing (卐) direction. The swastika is a holy symbol in Hinduism and Jainism.

[Soluzar]

Both the left-hook manji and the right-hook manji are Hindu, Jain, and Buddhist symbols, and both are equally holy. The Nazis just took the symbol and probably misused it.They also rotated it by 45 degrees, and took the little curved bits off the arms. Neij's symbol is not the same as the Nazi symbo by any means.

[Sisco]

are u trying to say neji's symbol isnt the buddhist sign?

i dont know what neji´s sign is, i was just pointing at the direction of the hook and that the nazi´s only used them in that direction.

Soluzar said the rest :)


blackknight: "Wenn ist das Nunstuck git und Slotermeyer? Ja!...Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput,"

the only german words here are "Wenn, ist, das, und, Ja!, das, Oder, die" the rest makes no sense, does it really mean anything or is it just some words no one should understand? ^^