Chapter 317 *spoilers*

[Hika]

Way to go Kishi! What a bumper chapter!

We get some colour spreads - The Leader's hair is brown, so that rules out Yondy once and for all (thank god). Deidi looks as hot as ever, as does Itachi, somebody has purple hair (the token chick of Akatsuki maybe?) and Tobi looks as though he's posing for a bikini catalogue.

Naruto looks like he's using blades and Asuma hasn't turned into a traitor just yet (there has been a spate of Asuma=traitor theories going around). :P

[Cow]

Great chapter, 3 tailed fish thing was elite, IN COLOR NO LESS.

[ffl]

It makes me wonder who's in the new squad 20. Anyone we'll recognize?:)

And Hika, you actually take the time to read those sort of totally out-of-character theories?:P

The color pages were nice too. Didn't think that Tobi's mask was red though... it doesn't really make much sense being that color. Oh, and the Leader's hair being reddish-brown also rules out those theories with Jiraiya too.:P

Asuma's pretty good too, being able to use wind manipulation like that. He would definitely beat Baki in a battle between wind-users. The Kage Bunshin surprised me too. I totally thought that was the real Naruto there.:D Very tricky...;)

[DarkNataku]

so why the clone had the talk, the other clones must still be training. smart. is it safe to say that tobi is the weak link in akatsuki

[Blueboi]

if the purple haired member with a flower object in his/her hair is really a girl then i guess we have somebody for shikamaru to fight later on.now i gotta go collect the money my friends owe me for the leader not being yondaime. :P

[Hara!]

WHAT NOW BIATCHES?


I WAS RIGHT! Hidan's hair is white!

And maybe the leader isn't in the picture... think about it... 9 are shown.

[treflolfl]

finally a chapter that was a tad bit better than the last ones. but if Kishimoto keeps killing off all the jinchuuriki without showing what they can do ima get pissed off. i was looking forward to what two tail could do but he killed her off quick. oh well overall a good chapter.

[Suki]

Ha! The picture is real! Unless Yondy dyed his hair...

[Hara!]

finally a chapter that was a tad bit better than the last ones. but if Kishimoto keeps killing off all the jinchuuriki without showing what they can do ima get pissed off. i was looking forward to what two tail could do but he killed her off quick. oh well overall a good chapter.
Actually... she was still alive.
and it's unlike kishi to introduce an unimportant character outside of an art/date book.

[treflolfl]

well what i mean is we never got to see her do anything and now we wont get the chance to....

[Hara!]

well what i mean is we never got to see her do anything and now we wont get the chance to....
If I could read Kishi's mind now:

Zetsu: She was too much for me! she got away!
Kakuzu: WTF HAX?!?!

[Hika]

It makes me wonder who's in the new squad 20. Anyone we'll recognize?:)

And Hika, you actually take the time to read those sort of totally out-of-character theories?:P



Well, you can't help but be exposed to it in a discussion thread when it keeps getting raised all the time! ARGH! Believe me! I do NOT go and read those Yondy=AL threads! I am violently opposed to the whole idea! YES! VIOLENTLY!! :P

[Jinto117]

Well, you can't help but be exposed to it in a discussion thread when it keeps getting raised all the time! ARGH! Believe me! I do NOT go and read those Yondy=AL threads! I am violently opposed to the whole idea! YES! VIOLENTLY!! :P

She is lying. . . .

How about that member with the blue hair eh? Perhaps the leaders sugar momma? The leader is knowone we've seen before.

[Brill]

I thought both of Diedra's arm got cut off by Naruto? He had spares? If Asuma is so great with wind chakra why was his attack again Kisame so pathetic yeilding a mere scratch? All those Tobi/Obito arguments may be on the money considering how useless he appears to be.

[Tidusauron12]

if the purple haired member with a flower object in his/her hair is really a girl then i guess we have somebody for shikamaru to fight later on.now i gotta go collect the money my friends owe me for the leader not being yondaime. :P

Heh, that's pretty funny.

[hamato]

I am excited for ramifications this is going to have for the Sasuke/Naruto fight. Now that both are going to have supreme cutting techniques, it seems their battle will be one focusing on swords and speed. Perhaps similar to bleach or kenshin fights, something that we have yet to really see in this series.

[abomination]

I thought both of Diedra's arm got cut off by Naruto? He had spares?
His left one was smashed by Gaara, his right was lost by Kakashi when he used his Megekyou Sharingan in their fight. It's odd seeing him with his right arm seeing as how he shouldn't have it attached to his body, but he does for some reason. Maybe Kishi just forgot and made a goof.

[Hara!]

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f55/malomeat/uberhax2.jpg

Naruto Uber Hax pt. 2

Hopefully, Shannaro will take this one too.

[Mikadzuki Tatsu]

Asuma's pretty good too, being able to use wind manipulation like that. He would definitely beat Baki in a battle between wind-users. The Kage Bunshin surprised me too. I totally thought that was the real Naruto there. Very tricky...I thought that was the real Naruto, too, so I was also taken by surprise when it turned out to be a kage bunshin. But it was a wise decision on Naruto's part to use a kage bunshin to obtain the information he needed, so he could continue training without interruption. The boy is learning... :)

What is with Tobi? For a member of the Akatsuki, he strikes me as being particularly useless. (Maybe Tobi IS Obito brought back from the dead. Obito was pretty useless, too.) What kind of Akatsuki runs away from an enemy, declaring he's not the right person for the job? That's pretty wimpy, if you ask me. No wonder Deidara seemed to get a kick out of toying around with him.

finally a chapter that was a tad bit better than the last ones. but if Kishimoto keeps killing off all the jinchuuriki without showing what they can do ima get pissed off. i was looking forward to what two tail could do but he killed her off quick. oh well overall a good chapter.That is, if the two-tailed's jinchuuriki is actually dead. She could still be alive. I'm still not entirely convinced that she's dead. For some reason, I don't think Kishimoto would've introduced such a potentially important character, only to kill her off a chapter later. Until we're shown her dead body, I'm not going to be entirely convinced she's dead.

[ffl]

Mm... wouldn't that also hold true for the Three-tails then...? It seems like they're just there to show off the power of Akatsuki. If they play any role, it'll be whenever Naruto confronts the Akatsuki Leader or something similar.

Also, I didn't really think of the Tobi = Obito thing as actually being a "theory" since it seemed pretty clear-cut to me from the start. It's like when you see a new mysterious villain who's face can't clearly be seen and then it turns out that his name is just the name of another character, except spelled backwards. You just know that they're the same person or related somehow. It's quite obvious.

And it was also obvious that Deidara would get its arms back.:P

[DarkNataku]

well here is a pic of the current members of akatsuki
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/97/Manga_Akatsuki_Naruto.jpg

[Denisa]

The first translation I downloaded was from MH and Reaver Reload.

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/9554/017yp5.jpg

For a second I thought that was Shika's new catchphrase since he seems to have stopped saying "troublesome." >_<

[abomination]

^ Bwahahaha. Oh god that's a hilarious non sequitur.



I just thought, is this an uncaptured, free roaming bijuu or a fully transformed jinchuuriki ? I'm thinking jinchuuriki 'cause I don't think they would send a lesser member ( Tobi ) to capture a wild bijuu. Plus a jinchuuriki would be easier to capture than a wild bijuu.

I personally didn't think Akatsuki would let Tobi joins cause they don't seem to like him very much, espcially Deidara, and he doesn't seem to be very brave and up for their mission. But he has to have good credentials for Akatsuki to accept him, so he has to be good at something. Running away perhaps ?

An Akaktsuki with purple hair with a flower in it. That's either a girl member ( oh god I hope so ) or the fruitiest Akatsuki member since Oro.

[Denisa]

^ I couldn't believe that was in an actual translation. I guess it was suppose to be a joke of some sort.

Tobi seems like he will provide comic relief. He is the Chouji of the Akatsuki. The blue figure with the flower(?) has to be a girl. I like how Tobi looks all proud to be in the Akatsuki on the cover. Then he runs away. ^_^ It looks like those are scars on Hidan and not muscles. I guess from the spike thing he uses. Next week we will probably see who gets to be on the teams. Maybe Naruto will learn to use Kakashi's blade?

[Mikadzuki Tatsu]

I just thought, is this an uncaptured, free roaming bijuu or a fully transformed jinchuuriki ? I'm thinking jinchuuriki 'cause I don't think they would send a lesser member ( Tobi ) to capture a wild bijuu. Plus a jinchuuriki would be easier to capture than a wild bijuu.Are any of the bijuu actually wild and free anymore? I'd assumed that all of them had been sealed within jinchuuriki by now.

I personally didn't think Akatsuki would let Tobi joins cause they don't seem to like him very much, espcially Deidara, and he doesn't seem to be very brave and up for their mission. But he has to have good credentials for Akatsuki to accept him, so he has to be good at something. Running away perhaps ?Well, if Tobi is actually Obito brought back from the dead, don't you think that'd make him an excellent weapon to use against Konoha--in particular, against Kakashi and the other shinobi who would still remember him? Kakashi is a great ninja, but how easy would it be for him to kill his old comrade? Aside from that, Obito was a Uchiha. He still had one Sharingan eye when he died.

[u_nick]

then again, they already have 1 sharingan user. do they really need another?

[blackknight]

Knowing how the series has gone before this, the Akatsuki with the purple hair is probably a guy.

I don't see the three-tail being stopped that easily. If Gaara could do so much against Deidara without going biju, shouldn't this one be able to do even more? Eh, what do I know?

[Denisa]

Kishimoto has at least tried to include a girl on every team. All the genin teams had a girl. The Sound Three had Kin. The Sound Five had Tayuya. Even Oro had Anko. So it would go with the trend if the blue person was a girl.

I think Tobi will screw up Deidara and the biju will injure both of them and get away. Then there will be 10,000 more Tobi is Obito and is helping Konoha threads on NF.

[Punnchy]

Are we sure that its even a flower on thier head?

I mean, everyone thought Deidaia was a girl(some still do) and look how well that one worked out.

I think Tobi was given to Deidara's group for the facts that sasori is dead and zetsu has always worked alone.

[abomination]

Kishimoto has at least tried to include a girl on every team. All the genin teams had a girl. The Sound Three had Kin. The Sound Five had Tayuya. Even Oro had Anko. So it would go with the trend if the blue person was a girl.
Can't forget Tsunade and Shizune. Shizune's even the leader of her team of her Genma, Raidou, and occasionally Iwashi. So far the only useless ones are Ino and pre-timeskip Sakura. As timid as Hinata is, she could beat most of the Konoha kunoichi if she had more skill and a backbone. I have to hand it to Kishi for including equality. Not very many shounen manga authors include females that are just as powerfull, if not more so than the males ( well save for a few ). Not including a female in Akatsuki would be a mistake to me.

Are any of the bijuu actually wild and free anymore? I'd assumed that all of them had been sealed within jinchuuriki by now.
Well, it was said that all the major nation's hidden villages attempted to create jinchuuriki, but it was never said how many succeeded. We only know of 3, and Deidara mentioned that Akatsuki already had a few bijuu ( 2 or 3 I think ) so an uncaptured bijuu might seem plausible, but then again that may just be my thinking. Have to wait 'till the next 2 or 3 chapters to see what it is.

Well, if Tobi is actually Obito brought back from the dead, don't you think that'd make him an excellent weapon to use against Konoha--in particular, against Kakashi and the other shinobi who would still remember him? Kakashi is a great ninja, but how easy would it be for him to kill his old comrade? Aside from that, Obito was a Uchiha. He still had one Sharingan eye when he died.
Personally, I'm not keen to the whole Tobi=Obito theory. I can't even see how people even thought of that idea in the first place. Sure they have a similar name, similar hair, the whole 'eye' thing and Tobi lacking a headband of his home village ,but that could just be people looking too much into it. I don't even see the point of resurrecting Obito as Tobi. Obito was just a name only before the Kakashi Gaiden. The only reason the Kakashi Gaiden was made was to finally flesh out some of Kakashi's past , and the only reason Obito was introduced as a designed character was subsequently to be killed off. Obito's death was what lead to the current state of Kakashi being the way he is and having the ideals he has. Resurrecting Obito as Tobi would make all of that somewhat pointless, plus it would be an overused shounen cliche. The only point it would have would be to shake up Kakashi and some of Konoha. But adding in another element such a that would make the manga over crowded.There's already enough going on and enough mysteries and answers to solve as is, making Tobi Obito would just be too much for the story. Atleast, that's the way I see it.

[Mikadzuki Tatsu]

I don't even see the point of resurrecting Obito as Tobi. Obito was just a name only before the Kakashi Gaiden. The only reason the Kakashi Gaiden was made was to finally flesh out some of Kakashi's past , and the only reason Obito was introduced as a designed character was subsequently to be killed off. Obito's death was what lead to the current state of Kakashi being the way he is and having the ideals he has. Resurrecting Obito as Tobi would make all of that somewhat pointless, plus it would be an overused shounen cliche.Actually, I think Obito served a greater importance than what you give him credit for. Not only was it his death that led to Kakashi being the way he is now, but it was Obito who gave Kakashi the Sharingan eye. True, he was just a name until the Kakashi Gaiden, but one doesn't have to be shown in the flesh to have great importance, does one?

Right now, there's nothing to stop Kakashi from using the Sharingan against any of the Akatsuki, including Itachi. But what if Tobi were Obito resurrected? Or not even that--What if Tobi were a sort of clone of Obito, so he shared some of Obito's jutsu and, more importantly, looked like Obito? Isn't there a chance that might affect Kakashi's ability to so easily attack his opponent?

Of course, I could be entirely wrong about this, completely off-the-mark. But until it's declared impossible, it's still possible, isn't it?

[MightyDustLoop]

Obito was never really especially strong either. I wouldn't think Kishi would bother. He'd just be pushing for drama with that maneuver. But Tobi does seem ansy enough to be him. And a lot of Obito's crushed body could coincide with Tobi since most of his body is also concealed. Kishi could always explain it as some sort of parasite, or someone trying desparately to get at the Uchiha bloodline and resurrecting him, and it wouldn't be too incomprehensible.

It's just needlessly dramatic.

[Carmel]

Interesting chapter... I guess, I don't know what I can say, because I just read two chapters at once so I'll confuse what I read where. :P I'm not sure how much I like this whole "clone" idea coming into play now. And the whole finding of what type you are seems pretty weird to happen now, you'd think if they're ninja from the time they're 12, one of the first things that should happen is finding out what type they are to use their abilities to their fullest from the start.

[Hara!]

The first translation I downloaded was from MH and Reaver Reload.

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/9554/017yp5.jpg

For a second I thought that was Shika's new catchphrase since he seems to have stopped saying "troublesome." >_<

M'effin win.

[blackknight]

Are we sure that its even a flower on thier head?
Actually, I think it looks like one of those little umbrellas you get in drinks. Seriously.

[Mikadzuki Tatsu]

And the whole finding of what type you are seems pretty weird to happen now, you'd think if they're ninja from the time they're 12, one of the first things that should happen is finding out what type they are to use their abilities to their fullest from the start.You actually have a point: you'd think the first thing a brand-new genin would be assigned to do is to figure out which element he or she is affiliated with. But then again, a lot of rising ninja probably already know, or at least have an idea of, which element(s) they're affiliated with, based off what runs in their families. Sasuke probably knew from a very young age that he was affiliated with fire, because most of the Uchiha clan is. If that's the case, then it's understandable that Naruto wouldn't have any idea which element he's affiliated with. If it's something that's taught at home, rather than in school, then Naruto wouldn't have had anyone to teach him.

[blackknight]

But the acadamy should have taught them how to refine their element to be as efficient as possible, at least until they can have more personal training with the team leader once they graduate.

[likenewbie]

i'd venture a guess, that only the brighter new genin will know what element they are. the rest won't learn until at least chuunin lvl, making it a prerequisite of becoming a jounin.

[SUPE12MAN23]

Actually, I think it looks like one of those little umbrellas you get in drinks. Seriously.


NO its kabuto with a flower on his hair

[Jinto117]

According to the latest filler, episode 196 won't be on this coming wednesday. That's not the same for ch.318 is it. . . . . .ffl or Hika?

[ffl]

No, it's not the same. The second movie is being aired instead.

[Denisa]

We should get more colour pages, right? People are speculating that since we got an Akatsuki colour cover last week, we might a Rookie 9/Team Gai/Sand Sibling cover to counter it. I would love that.

[abomination]

Actually, I think Obito served a greater importance than what you give him credit for. Not only was it his death that led to Kakashi being the way he is now, but it was Obito who gave Kakashi the Sharingan eye. True, he was just a name until the Kakashi Gaiden, but one doesn't have to be shown in the flesh to have great importance, does one?

Right now, there's nothing to stop Kakashi from using the Sharingan against any of the Akatsuki, including Itachi. But what if Tobi were Obito resurrected? Or not even that--What if Tobi were a sort of clone of Obito, so he shared some of Obito's jutsu and, more importantly, looked like Obito? Isn't there a chance that might affect Kakashi's ability to so easily attack his opponent?

Of course, I could be entirely wrong about this, completely off-the-mark. But until it's declared impossible, it's still possible, isn't it?

To me, resurrecting Obito as Tobi would be the equivalent of bringing back Sondaime or even Yondaime. IMO, resurrecting characters that died in such a manner ( sacrificing themselves for someone or a belief ) should stay dead. Obito was really no different in the way he died than Yondaime or Sarutobi and even Haku and Kimimaro in the sense that they all died by sacrificing themselves for others or a belief.

Obito's legacy is that he done just that- sacrificed himself to save his teammates and knowing he was going to die gave Kakashi his last possible possession- the Sharingan, and in doing so saved his teammates and turned a persons world view and attitude around. Re-instating a character such as that, to me is something that you just do not do. Any decent and respectable artist or author ( manga or other wise ) should never make a mistake such as that. No matter what kind of dramatic upset it may cause to the story or characters, you should not do it. A death is a death. They can still play an important part in the story after their deaths, but putting them back into existance as a clone or through any other deus ex machina is just bad writing. But then again nearly all of modern media such as comics, manga, anime, and video games rely too much on the deus ex machina thing.

I guess that's just how I stand on the whole Tobi=Obito thing. If I remember the only reason people started the Tobi=Obito speculation was solely because the names are similar, then the mask and everything else came into speculation. To me it seems people are just grasping at straws on this one.

We should get more colour pages, right? People are speculating that since we got an Akatsuki colour cover last week, we might a Rookie 9/Team Gai/Sand Sibling cover to counter it. I would love that.
I think they should insert color pages a few chapters later everytime they introduce new characters to set that particular chracter up instead of you having to pretty much guess what their hair and clothing color are. You pretty much have to wait for the volume covers or promo imagesto really get that. It's only occasionally that we get like we got this chapter.

[Hara!]

prediction.



Itachi ordered to kill Kakashi.
Obito jumps in, announces himself, they cry ETC.
Then they fight together.

[Mikadzuki Tatsu]

To me, resurrecting Obito as Tobi would be the equivalent of bringing back Sondaime or even Yondaime. IMO, resurrecting characters that died in such a manner ( sacrificing themselves for someone or a belief ) should stay dead. Obito was really no different in the way he died than Yondaime or Sarutobi and even Haku and Kimimaro in the sense that they all died by sacrificing themselves for others or a belief.
That's true. And you do have a very good point: it would belittle the significance of Obito's sacrifice if he were resurrected--just like bringing back the Yondaime or the Sandaime would belittle the significance of their sacrifices. But Obito and Tobi DO seem similar to some ways (namely, their uselessness and cowardliness). I wonder if that's a coincidence, or if that's going to come into play later?

[Hara!]

You guys do notice that Akatsuki leader can't be an Uchiha, Being how he has brown hair.

I'm not sure how far that goes though. I'm not sure, but I think Tekka and Inabi had brown hair...

[abomination]

Well, the Uchiha clans hair color seems to deviate from black sometimes. Sasuke's hair has a blue tinge to it. Sasuke and Itachi's father has somewhat brownish hair, as well as most of the Uchiha clan members shown in the flashback story. The only Uchiha's to have complete black hair that I can recall are Itachi, Itachi and Sasuke's mother, and Obito. I don't think it's a trait for the Uchiha's to have black hair per se, I think it's that they all have dark hair. It's not impossible for a Uchiha who isn't old to have light hair, but it's probably not very likely either.

To me, the Akaktsuki leader was never tied to the Uchiha clan to begin with. I seriously have no clue as to how people could have thought that one up.

[Denisa]

To me, the Akaktsuki leader was never tied to the Uchiha clan to begin with. I seriously have no clue as to how people could have thought that one up.

The eyes. Some people claimed the AL has the Sharingan.

[abomination]

The eyes. Some people claimed the AL has the Sharingan.
Yeah, but to me it looks like he has eyes like Kurenai rather than having the Sharingan, even from his first appearance.

[Jinto117]

Yeah, but to me it looks like he has eyes like Kurenai rather than having the Sharingan, even from his first appearance.

Yeah I totaly agree. His eyes are similar to Kurenai's. Perhaps it's just an eye style Kishimoto likes to use and people mistake it for Sharingan to much. Or at least force themselves into believing it's the Sharingan only because they want it to be.

[Hara!]

Yeah I totaly agree. His eyes are similar to Kurenai's. Perhaps it's just an eye style Kishimoto likes to use and people mistake it for Sharingan to much. Or at least force themselves into believing it's the Sharingan only because they want it to be.

The possible backstory ties together quite nicely.

The only Uchiha with a mangekyo invites itachi to his little glee club, if only he kills his entire family and best friend.

P.S. that avatar is not sai.