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ryushe
July 23rd, 2006, 10:25 AM
Patent may limit PlayStation fun
Game fans, advocates are furious the technology could spell trouble

By Dawn C. Chmielewski, Los Angeles Times
July 22, 2006

Sony Corp. has patented technology that would prevent its PlayStation consoles from playing used, rented or borrowed video games -- raising questions about whether the electronics and entertainment giant may attempt to redefine what it means to own something in the digital age.

Speculation over Sony's plans for the technology have sparked a furor online as game fans and consumer advocates fret that the company may incorporate it into the upcoming PlayStation 3 console, due to hit stores this fall.





They worry that it would wipe out the $1 billion annual market for used games and could even prevent someone from playing games at a friend's house.

For its part, Sony has decried the "false speculation" surrounding the technology, patented in Japan before the October 2000 introduction of PlayStation 2. Sony has said little else about the technology or how the company might deploy it.

It is not unusual for technology companies to patent innovations and then never incorporate them into products.

Documents filed in April 2000 with the U.S. Patent Office describe a method of copy protection by which the game system would verify a disc as legitimate, register the disc to that game console, then wipe out verification data so the disc would be rendered unreadable to other PlayStations.

"Since only titles for which legitimate software has actually been purchased and which have been initially registered in the machine table can be used, resale (so-called used software purchase) after purchase by an end user becomes practically impossible," according to the patent documents.

Although Sony has been vague about its plans for the technology, "I actually think they're toying with this idea," said Michael Pachter, a game industry analyst for Wedbush Morgan Securities.

Pachter said he doubts Sony will tighten the software locks on PlayStation 3 games, but might employ bolstered copy protection on other forms of entertainment downloaded to the console over the Internet.

"Maybe they'll copy protect movies or music downloads," he said.

Whatever Sony's plans, the tempest illustrates the changing nature of ownership as millions of people accumulate vast collections of digital entertainment. Few people realize that when they buy software or music or movies, they are actually buying a license to use, watch or listen. That's why it violates copyright laws for people to sell copies of their music.

Sony was attacked earlier this year for including software on some of its music CDs that surreptitiously installed itself on computers playing the disc. The software was intended to prevent unauthorized copying. Sony later apologized.

Taking that sort of copy-protection one step further would be, in the words of one analyst, "crazy."

"What does Sony get from that?" said John Taylor of Arcadia Investment Corp. "Sony gets a black eye. It doesn't make sense to me."

Several analysts said the patent appears to principally be aimed at deterring game piracy. Indeed, Sony's patent notes that through the complexity of its copy-protection scheme, "manufacture of counterfeit software becomes extremely difficult."

And it's not unusual for technology companies like Sony to register patents, either in anticipation of one day collecting royalties from someone seeking to license the technology, or to prevent someone else from deploying it.

"These are all things technologically possible to do in any computing device," said one cryptographer. "In the video game business, it would be suicide for someone to do this. It's actually possible Sony filed this because they wanted to keep people from doing that."

This is only speculation but can you actually imagine if Sony actually does this. Not only is the system $599 (come on no one's gonna buy the $499 one) but they might limit us to buy new games that vary from $60-$100. If done I honestly think it will be the final nail in Sony's coffin.

germanturkey
July 23rd, 2006, 10:25 AM
if they do that, its suicide for their console

but its been known for some time they might do this

Danju
July 23rd, 2006, 11:10 AM
but its been known for some time they might do this
Yup, this is old news. If Sony does it then I'll lose all respect for the company.

...Wait a second. I don't have any respect to lose.

Chicito
July 23rd, 2006, 11:20 AM
I don't rent games, but can't play used games? Thats a little much.

Sharp-kun
July 23rd, 2006, 11:40 AM
This is ancient news.

Its far more likely they thought of the idea and patented it to prevent other companies stealing the idea, rather than to actually use it.

germanturkey
July 23rd, 2006, 11:43 AM
the poll is worded wrong.. ps3 will be patented, but i dunno how to say it correctly...

ya, thats what i was thinking sharp

Matsu'o Tsurayaba
July 23rd, 2006, 01:52 PM
If the PlayStation3 is patented,then i might not buy it.It seems like a sort of monopoly,it does not make things better that games still might be in the 60-100 dollar [US] range.

Sharp-kun
July 23rd, 2006, 02:06 PM
If the PlayStation3 is patented,then i might not buy it.It seems like a sort of monopoly,it does not make things better that games still might be in the 60-100 dollar [US] range.
Do you know what a patent actually is?

Sendo Takeshi
July 23rd, 2006, 02:14 PM
Well, guess I'll be enjoying the PS2 for a lot longer than I thought. If Sony does go through with this then they lose. Plain and simple.

But chances are they will just patent the idea for no one to steal it. Don't know whats so special about the idea.

germanturkey
July 23rd, 2006, 02:15 PM
Do you know what a patent actually is?
i dont' think he does... lol

my god, someone from SCOTLAND knows, but someone from the US doesnt? i mean, we invented patents!!! :P

soulreaper
July 23rd, 2006, 02:41 PM
Ever since the PS3 has been announced, Sony seems to have this huge air of arrogance about it. I sincerely hope they don't think they can survive based on their past successes alone. As if the price wasn't enough, limiting us to new games only would isolate an enormous part of the gaming community. Although, if they are only securing the patent so that they're the only ones who have this technology, and if they don't actually use it, that's another story.

Lord Dagoth
July 23rd, 2006, 02:42 PM
Do you know what a patent actually is?

I was wondering this also >_<

Mercenary
July 23rd, 2006, 02:59 PM
Wasn't going to buy one anyway, this would only make it so I wouldn't even buy one in 5 years when they are $150. :/

crow-kun
July 23rd, 2006, 03:33 PM
Didn't Sony already say it wasn't going to happen.

u_nick
July 23rd, 2006, 03:45 PM
Didn't Sony already say it wasn't going to happen.

yep, a couple times since this rumor popped up months ago

Neo0tak0n
July 23rd, 2006, 03:57 PM
how could you do this, technologically speaking?

cyborgaaron
July 23rd, 2006, 09:16 PM
One more reason for me not to get the PS3

Laharu
July 23rd, 2006, 09:25 PM
it's just.... a really stupid idea. seriously, there's no way Sony could live after something like that.

xAndronicusX
July 23rd, 2006, 10:12 PM
This is one of the reasons I've decided to go with a Wii and a 360 instead of the PS3. The $60 - $100 games is bad enough, but the fact that I can't trade in or buy used, and Sony isn't denying or confirming this mind you, that's just not right at all. There are plenty of games I'll miss, but the 360 has some potentially very great games coming out for it and the Wii is so damn cheap and it's Nintendo, so it's a safe bet. Sony let their success go to their heads and they've shot themselves in the foot. It very well may be a great console...excuse me they insist it's a computer now...but I'm done with Sony. It's a shame because I loved my PS1 and my PS2. I was extremely excited for the PS3 too, but all this bad press has soured it for me. Sony even brags about how they plan on screwing everyone, it's ridiculous.

Rahxephon91
July 23rd, 2006, 10:27 PM
Do people honostly belive in false rumors that are old,don't die, and have been said to be false by Sony themselfs?

crow-kun
July 23rd, 2006, 11:14 PM
Do people honostly belive in false rumors that are old,don't die, and have been said to be false by Sony themselfs?
Apparently not. I find it even more stupid when someone puts "Another reason why I won't be buying the PS3 *put up article that has already been disproven*." Is anyone else bothered by the fact that a news establishment is reporting on something that has already been made clear that to be false? It makes me also question the credibility of the Los Angeles Times.

CrossboneGundam
July 23rd, 2006, 11:47 PM
Playstation 3 has already, undoubtedly, been patented. Patenting is something that's been around for hundreds of years.

If you invent some novel gizmo and don't want other people to make a profit off of it or steal your design, you register a patent with the government, and then you have the legal grounds to sue (and win against) anyone who copies or attempts to take advantage of your product without consent.

Patenting isn't some voodoo magic that makes PS3 games unplayable except to one console.

Tama83
July 24th, 2006, 09:09 AM
Even if this "rumor" has been "disproved", I think that for some people (myself included), it's not that simple. The mere notion that Sony has even invented such technology and that they would even consider implementing it is actually (for me anyway) reason enough to not buy a Playstation 3, even if it won't have this technology. I actually wasn't going to buy one anyway (I'm not paying $500 for a game system*), but I dread the mere concept of not being able to rent a game, buy a used one, or play my copy at a friend's house. I think Reggie Fils-Aime (sp?) said it best: "Change or die" (at least I think he said it). I'm just glad Microsoft isn't implementing this technology, nor is (heaven forbid) Nintendo.

Even if the PS3 doesn't use this technology, Sony, as others have pointed out, has nonetheless sealed it's fate. Besides, $500? You could get an HD DVD player for that (I probably won't support Blu-Ray either, but that's another story).

(*$60-$100 for games? MAMA MIA!!)

In any case, greedy coporation, much?

Rahxephon91
July 24th, 2006, 10:44 AM
Jesus Christ. The $60+ for game was never said to be true. All Kutaragi said was he expects PS3 games to be no more then $60 but if they are more then it is not Sony or his fault.

u_nick
July 24th, 2006, 01:03 PM
eh, more of these people that dont want one just means it will be easier for me to get my hands on mine once November rolls around :D

I'll sit back and laugh as i play my new games, play my used games, play my 50 dollar games, watch my superior technology hign definition movies, and access its hard drive over the net from my PSP. :D

MightyDustLoop
July 24th, 2006, 02:59 PM
LOL. I love this poll. Trust me, the Wii shall be patented too. There will be no third party Wii consoles available for purchase.

Seriously, all the companies have submitted documentation for patents and copyrights that would have invariably killed their business. Anyone who think's Sony's dumb enough to do that needs to get their head out of the ground big time.

Sony is still a mostly logical entity. Sure, they still have their WTF moments. All companies do. And that was their price tag. If you think they're going to risk infuriating the fanbase after that copy protection adware garbage blew up in their face, you should probably go apply for a job there.

With the gaming public already irate about the price of the console, there is no way Sony's system will actually be inclusive of crap like this that will further anger the fans. But the public's so cynical they actually take garbage like patents and copyrights to heart. Where the hell's my Chrono Break then?!?

Sheesh, wait for the damn console, THEN complain. It's not like anyone's asking for gamers to actually purchase one before they have the right to complain, but can you at least wait for the damn thing to come out first? I'm doubtful about early Bluray and processor integration, so it may very well be a piece of crap anyway. But let's at least wait before dictating it as fact that it is one.

Matsu'o Tsurayaba
July 24th, 2006, 05:12 PM
Do you know what a patent actually is?

Of course,its the American "Its mine,pay me to use,before i sue" persona.Are you going to be a patented PS3? ;)