SOAD Finale Pic

[Mad Clipper]

Since my thread got no feedback I decided to cut it short, make one more pic here, and move it to a different forum. I worked hard on this one. Redrew the body many times and even made it sort of fancy with some outline shadow. I tried the best I couldnt to not have any errors... now that I look at it the head could have been position a little better. But, oh well, so, what do you think?
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2805/shavo3wc6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Piper]

thats awsome i can definatly respect that soad used to be my fav band...their new **** sux

[bowaZi]

having thicker outlines is nice it helps to give the drawing more definition, that said you could have added a few more thin lines inside the body to add detail

the collarbone is cut a little short, also while we're in the general area even though the view allows for the neck not to be viewed you should still see the area where the neck connects with the collar

armpits seem to be missing a muscle ... think triangles not angles, the more shapes you use the easier it is to flesh out your drawing, after all muscles ARE shapes ... when you limit yourself to the cylinder/sphere/box guidlines it makes your drawings too stiff and anatomy more difficult (although they are convenient when you're starting out ... just don't rely on them)

and i'm not really sure if that's a crease or a wierd moustache on his face ... i don't really know how the guy looks so i can't tell ... also i'm not sure how tightly his beard braid but it should probably be dangling downwards, although it is thin enough not too but again i don't know how he looks like

the shadow on either end of his nose is a little dark same with the armpit ... unless it's a style thing shadows should never be darker than the outline in a b&w drawing and it can only be as dark when in heavy shadow

also if you're a perfectionist about positioning you can reverse the drawing by holding it against a light (back facing you), people tend to skew their drawings and it can be difficult to notice while drawing ... note: if you have difficulty seeing the image because of the paper material then wait for a sunny day, or just get a brighter bulb

i think i might be coming off as a bit harsh already but i will say that at this point you shouldn't worry about making mistakes ... after all if nobody made any mistakes then we wouldn't learn anything

[Piper]

now that i look at it the armpits do look kinda funny

[Mad Clipper]

Well, I did do it at 2 in the morning lol. The collar bone, I knew that was definetly miss placed when I finished the picture but I didn't go back and fix it because I had drawn it too dark and I knew it would show up if I tried to erase it and redo it. I also had no idea about the armpits so yea that sort of seems messed up. Oh that is a crease on his upper lip, I don't really know how to explain it but I guess you could say he is sort of flexing his face... yeah I am stupid. I had a feeling someone would say something about his beard. It is supposed to be pretty much inline with his face and not hanging down as much because it is so closely braided. And finally, I don't even know what to say about his nose and the shadow. I guess I just wanted it to be some sort of effect and I was going to make it with face paint running down his face but then decided to leave it off. Well, now I know what to do and what not to do next time haha.