Canibus

[Fobb]

THE RAPPER, NOT THE HERBAL MEDICINE

Yeah, got it out of the way. Well, for the rap fans. Who's heard of him? He seriously is a lyrical genius. His beats sound awesome too. Well? Comments?

[kiyomi]

uhh..yes, I've heard of him..probably saw him on BET..but really can't remember all that much about him.

Next time I view rap city, I'll see if he comes on, then tell you what I think.

[Leader Desslock]

Um.... got an example of this "lyrical genius" in his work? I don't see it. Not at all. Care to name a song, list some lyrics and explain how the use of those particular lyrics exhibits any level of artistic greatness? How the imagery used is particularly apppropriate and effective at conveying a message more powerfully than a less-gifted artist would have used?

I dunno, I'm looking through his lyrics here (http://lyrics.rare-lyrics.com/C/Canibus.html) and don't see anything I'd consider particularly gifted, much less genius. Perhaps I'm just not aware of the scale on which 'rapping genius'' is measured.

[Depression]

He's a hit or miss. With the right producer he does good, with the wrong, he just sounds bad, real bad.

He seems to have trouble when it comes to conceptual songs. He's obviously good when it comes to battles and freestyles.

I remember once 2nd Round KO came out, he was praised as being the next great thing. Too bad he never caught on.

At least we have Papoose.

[Fobb]

When I say he's good with his lyrics, what I mean to say is, he puts words together and makes it sound...okay here:

When I listen to a song of his, and hear a line, I think about it for a second, and laugh, because I figure out what he is saying. Like he has good punch lines. He probably isn't a genius when it comes to knowledge, but he does incorporate them in his songs. And you DEFINETLY DIDN'T see him on BET. He's underground. You can look at his lyrics, but it isn't exactly the same if you don't listen to the actual song. I dunno, maybe only the rap fans would be interested in him.

[Sendo Takeshi]

He was very good at what he did. But unfortunately he fell off due to LL Cool J and the diss tracks that they made going back and forth with each other.

There was a rumor flying around about Royce Da 5'9" and Canibus making an album produced by DJ Premier. Now if that ever does happen then today's hiphop is officially dead.

And just to throw this out into the open:

Illmatic > any rap/hiphop album

[master terrence]

He's obviously good when it comes to battles and freestyles.




QFE

You gotta see him in action, with a beat. I don't even listen to rap (I avoid mainstream rap especailly), but freestyling is something else.

and I agree with depression, I was reading the lyrics and disappointed to see that it was all just similies and metaphors that make the song and don't contribute much to a concept. In "I got a story 2 tell" he was going on about how he hates record labels and how he's above'em. I actually wanted to hear a story like Nickatina does it -_-;

[Gannon]

Um.... got an example of this "lyrical genius" in his work? I don't see it. Not at all. Care to name a song, list some lyrics and explain how the use of those particular lyrics exhibits any level of artistic greatness? How the imagery used is particularly apppropriate and effective at conveying a message more powerfully than a less-gifted artist would have used?

I dunno, I'm looking through his lyrics here (http://lyrics.rare-lyrics.com/C/Canibus.html) and don't see anything I'd consider particularly gifted, much less genius. Perhaps I'm just not aware of the scale on which 'rapping genius'' is measured.

Canibus' style (and production for the most part) are an aquired taste, but personally I don't mind listening to him.

As for recommendations, listen to Poet Laurette II, he raps for 7 minutes straight over three intersecting beats covering a wide array of subjects.

Also there is a freestyle of his he did for Tony Touch when he was first starting out. I don't think anyone with any ouch of curiosity for hip-hop can deny his presence on that track.

Just to quote a few lyrics from the freestyle: "I speak in frequencies dog's would have trouble hearing/Canibus is the lyrical version of German engineering"

Also:

"There ain't to many categories I can fit in when it comes to spittin'/Cuz I'm overqualified for the position. The laser guided/Lyrical hybrid/Creating scripts so sick/I gotta arm wrestle my pen to write it/"

[odw777]

I heard him, but he's not really that good I think.

You want to hear the best of underground? Listen to Immortal Technique.
He makes pretty much everyone else look terrible. And his lyrics acctually talk about meaningful things. Like revolutionary. lol Seriously.
Some people say he's better then 2pac.

[Fobb]

I was listening to Poet Lauriette II right now. Actually, the track just went to it. It is too bad he fell off, but his word play or whatever is still real good, just like Gannon above me just showed.

[master terrence]

I heard him, but he's not really that good I think.

You want to hear the best of underground? Listen to Immortal Technique.
He makes pretty much everyone else look terrible. And his lyrics acctually talk about meaningful things. Like revolutionary. lol Seriously.
Some people say he's better then 2pac.


Ya, I used to have an immortal technique freestlye from when he went on some radio station, that was sick.

[Fobb]

I heard him, but he's not really that good I think.

You want to hear the best of underground? Listen to Immortal Technique.
He makes pretty much everyone else look terrible. And his lyrics acctually talk about meaningful things. Like revolutionary. lol Seriously.
Some people say he's better then 2pac.
Immortal Technique can't be mentioned with anyone in this rap game. He seriously is on another level. His punch lines are really good (I'm not allowed to cuss) and his lyrics get you thinking on EVERY DAM TRACK

PS: Was that radio freestyle the one where he started cussing? It was pretty LMAO, only because he was cussing on the radio and the host was like "whaaa" in the end. hah

[Gannon]

And you DEFINETLY DIDN'T see him on BET. He's underground.

False.

Canibus' run in with LL Cool J was displayed on one of the BEEF DVD's, all of which aired on BET on several occasions. He has also been on The Basement.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Now if a b*tch sucks yo' ****, for five dollars per square inch
and gets forty dollars, includin a five dollar tip
How big was the **** she just sucked? (Say what?)
Say how big was the **** she just sucked? (What?)
If you a nigga with a watch, that's iced out
with enough rocks to make the hottest room temperature drop
How long will it take for you to get robbed? (Say what?)
How long will it be before you get robbed? (What?)

Good Game Canibus.

[Fobb]

Oh, well, sorry, I don't watch a lot of BET.

[Depression]

Here's Papoose's Alphabetical Slaughter

http://www.sendspace.com/file/dneyk4

[odw777]

[QUOTE=FobbyFobb408]Immortal Technique can't be mentioned with anyone in this rap game. He seriously is on another level. His punch lines are really good (I'm not allowed to cuss) and his lyrics get you thinking on EVERY DAM TRACK

PS: Was that radio freestyle the one where he started cussing? It was pretty LMAO, only because he was cussing on the radio and the host was like "whaaa" in the end. hah[/QUOTE

True True. It's good to know he's pretty well known.
I was going to post some of his lyrics but I'm not sure which one would show how good he is. That and it might be too contraversial. lol

[Gannon]

Oh, well, sorry, I don't watch a lot of BET.

Me either. Commercials and Limewire are your friend ;).

Now if a b*tch sucks yo' ****, for five dollars per square inch
and gets forty dollars, includin a five dollar tip
How big was the **** she just sucked? (Say what?)
Say how big was the **** she just sucked? (What?)
If you a nigga with a watch, that's iced out
with enough rocks to make the hottest room temperature drop
How long will it take for you to get robbed? (Say what?)
How long will it be before you get robbed? (What?)

:lol:

[Fobb]

Here's Papoose's Alphabetical Slaughter

http://www.sendspace.com/file/dneyk4
I heard about it, but never heard it, looksl like I will now.

[Animematt55]

Yo! Fosizzle cracka lacka ding dong, biatch!
I really don't get all this rap stuff.....never heard any of it that i actually liked.
If you wanna get outta 'da hood' get a damn job, and stop shooting people.

[predecessor]

Yo! Fosizzle cracka lacka ding dong, biatch!
I really don't get all this rap stuff.....never heard any of it that i actually liked.
If you wanna get outta 'da hood' get a damn job, and stop shooting people.
how little you know. thats mainstream. this is actual good stuff. my favorite are the Immortal technique songs about cocaine. from working in the fields to trying to support your family by dealing and trying to explain why the debt is gone and there is a crapload of money in the bank.

my favorite line ever will be "running through little havana yelling 'Viva Fidel'"

[Animematt55]

how little you know. thats mainstream. this is actual good stuff. my favorite are the Immortal technique songs about cocaine. from working in the fields to trying to support your family by dealing and trying to explain why the debt is gone and there is a crapload of money in the bank.

my favorite line ever will be "running through little havana yelling 'Viva Fidel'"
Like i said....stop killing people..... These people are dillusional in their thinkign that they need to kill peopel to 'escape'

[predecessor]

Like i said....stop killing people..... These people are dillusional in their thinkign that they need to kill peopel to 'escape'
well neither of us are gonna fully understand why they turn to stuff like that. we have never lived in absolute utter poverty in shithole neighborhoods. well i have but i never dealt with the drugs or gangs side and i was young. i can understand turning to dealing*which can eventually get you involved in alot of other crap* because its extremely profitable and almost anyone can do it. when you have no money, a family to support and are unable to get a job or welfare*which is impossible to support a family on anyways* thoughts are gonna wander to other ways to get money

[Animematt55]

well neither of us are gonna fully understand why they turn to stuff like that. we have never lived in absolute utter poverty in shithole neighborhoods. well i have but i never dealt with the drugs or gangs side and i was young. i can understand turning to dealing*which can eventually get you involved in alot of other crap* because its extremely profitable and almost anyone can do it. when you have no money, a family to support and are unable to get a job or welfare*which is impossible to support a family on anyways* thoughts are gonna wander to other ways to get money
they are what is wrong with America. IT is WAY to easy to get a hold of drugs and deal them.
Cant get a job? I can understand that, some businesses just don't hire people. But there is always day labor. Heck, if illegal immigrants can support their 50 kids on it, so can some punk that got his '*****' pregnant

[Fobb]

I hate people who make assumptions off opinions and incomplete facts

[Westlo]

lol at anyone who think's Canibus "freestyles" were actual freestyles, the last 5 years has shown that a freestyle is really someone spitting new lyrics over someones elses beat.

When you see someone taking words from an audience and than freestyling off that, thats a freestyle. Supernatural is one of the few to freestyle.

Immortal Technique can't be mentioned with anyone in this rap game. He seriously is on another level. His punch lines are really good (I'm not allowed to cuss) and his lyrics get you thinking on EVERY DAM TRACK

His flow is complete trash compared to someone like Pharoahe Monch.

[Fobb]

His flow is complete trash compared to someone like Pharoahe Monch.
We all have opinions.

[odw777]

Yo! Fosizzle cracka lacka ding dong, biatch!
I really don't get all this rap stuff.....never heard any of it that i actually liked.
If you wanna get outta 'da hood' get a damn job, and stop shooting people.

Eh thanks for derailing the thread.
That's why we're talking about underground rap not mainstream pop rap that mostly talks about the same crap over and over. 24" rims, *****es, and money, rinse and repeat.
So if you haven't heard any of that it seems you have a problem with something else not the music itself.


His flow is complete trash compared to someone like Pharoahe Monch.

Lol. That was good. Hey guy you're pretty funny.

[Gannon]

If you wanna get outta 'da hood' get a damn job, and stop shooting people.

:lol: Ain't that the truth!

If only these people realized that getting a minimum wage job would solve all of their problems. Haha, they're so dumb.

And it's already been proven that no one will mess with you if they know your harmless. Yeah, it's too bad they don't have any common sense.

Heck, if illegal immigrants can support their 50 kids on it, so can some punk that got his '*****' pregnant

Hit the nail on the head. Obviously business owners would rather pay 6 dollars plus benefits instead of 3 dollars without benefits. LMAO @ Those punks too 'gangsta' to see that but not too 'gangsta' to use welfare checks.

lol at anyone who think's Canibus "freestyles" were actual freestyles, the last 5 years has shown that a freestyle is really someone spitting new lyrics over someones elses beat.

lol at anyone who thinks that 98 percent of freestyles aren't written and 98 percent aren't recycled.

[Haro!]

Flow wise I don't like Canibus much, and he is very hit or miss in general. I agree with Van that Pharoahe Monch has him beat in the flow department, but would also say that he has better lyrics than Canibus.
Also Deathscythe, I'm sorry to say but I don't agree with the Illmatic comment. Its a known fact that the greatest rap album ever was Doggystyle ^_^. Actually I think the best album by far is Blackstar, but too many would disagree.
And Animematt, your comments aren't really part of the discussion now are they?

[Fobb]

Gannon is my hero, because he pwned on whoever made those assumptions.

[Gannon]

Gannon is my hero, because he pwned on whoever made those assumptions.

No no, you don't understand. I was agree--


Wait, did you say I was your hero? :)

[Fobb]

No no, you don't understand. I was agree--


Wait, did you say I was your hero? :)
:lol:

And he got them jokes too!

[Animematt55]

And Animematt, your comments aren't really part of the discussion now are they?
dang G, don't be tripping, Yo!

i like making fun of hiphop slang, and wannaGs......so sue me

[master terrence]

does anyone here have a video of them freestyling. I'll try to get you one of my friends freestyle battles from a party. He was pretty sick... and half drunk... but sick.

[Fobb]

Which freestylers are you talkin about? I'm sure Youtube might have it no?

[Holy Knight]

While the subject is on rap, I'd like to ask: what is it about? It seems that 90% of rap is about the 'hood, drugs, sex and violence. I'd understand if rappers were singing to "get it out of their system", but the sheer amount of sameness is excessive. What was rap originally supposed to be? I like the beats and all, but the subjects broached are less than commendable.

So if most mainstream rap is junk and underground is where it's at, does this mean people like Eminem and 50 cent (both apparently highly regarded) ain't all that good?

Lastly, what makes a genius in this world? I do not know how the rapper's prose works, so I can't be a definite judge.

[Mooserocka]

yea hes best newest song is canibus and papoose. They are murder in it. The lyrical genious of both those rappers is amazing. Canibus was good back in the day but he fell off alot. Eminem killed him with CANI*****. I think papoose is the NEXT lyrical genious

[Mooserocka]

Like i said....stop killing people..... These people are dillusional in their thinkign that they need to kill peopel to 'escape'

This really bothers me becuase im from the hood. Especialy the one before this saying get a job and get out. The only job u can get in the hood is Sellin drugs. U gotta live ure whole life lookin over ure shoulder when ure walking down the street. My motto is u cant beat a bullet. So if ure held up u just give ure sh*t up. Exept ure shoes. If u let another person take ure shoes off ure feet u deserve to get shot. Never let another person take ure shoes off ure feet or u want be able to live with ureself. I just dont like these hood comments. U DONT UNDERSTANDF THE LIFE WE LIVE> IT

[Depression]

So if most mainstream rap is junk and underground is where it's at, does this mean people like Eminem and 50 cent (both apparently highly regarded) ain't all that good?

I consider 50 cent junk, Eminem has talent though.

Its just like everything else. Like movies for instance, majority of the big budget films studios push out are crap, but there is quality out there if you look for it. You have sellouts who once did fantastic work and will now do anything to make a quick dollar. And you still have people like Johnny Depp who can do blockbuster films and still maintain their respect and integrity.

Jurassic 5, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, and Common are a few examples of people/groups who have made it big but you won't find rapping about money and being gangster.

[Animematt55]

This really bothers me becuase im from the hood. Especialy the one before this saying get a job and get out. The only job u can get in the hood is Sellin drugs. U gotta live ure whole life lookin over ure shoulder when ure walking down the street. My motto is u cant beat a bullet. So if ure held up u just give ure sh*t up. Exept ure shoes. If u let another person take ure shoes off ure feet u deserve to get shot. Never let another person take ure shoes off ure feet or u want be able to live with ureself. I just dont like these hood comments. U DONT UNDERSTANDF THE LIFE WE LIVE> IT
nwo think of this....the hood is bad because of drugs....everyone hates the living in the hood. Now...you need to all work as a comunity that you are, and stop the drugs, repair the neighborhood, and then more businesses will coem around.

EDIT: sorry if i am offending. I ma one to believe there is always a way out of any situation

[master terrence]

Which freestylers are you talkin about? I'm sure Youtube might have it no?

no no no, I mean of you freestyling or something.

[Gannon]

While the subject is on rap, I'd like to ask: what is it about? It seems that 90% of rap is about the 'hood, drugs, sex and violence. I'd understand if rappers were singing to "get it out of their system", but the sheer amount of sameness is excessive. What was rap originally supposed to be? I like the beats and all, but the subjects broached are less than commendable.

It seems that way because it's marketed that way. That's what people want to hear. It's like reading a certain type of book or watching a movie. People want the to know what it's like without having to actually experience it. But more importantly, they want their pre-concieved notions (sterotypes) of what it's like living in a poor community confirmed. The end result is a system consisting of rappers blackballed into putting out music that tells less of the truth, and more of what people WANT to hear. The bottom-line is middle-class american's (the ones that buy into this the most) don't want to hear positivity, inspiration, hope, perseverance and all of that. They're middle-class american's, their life is set up to be positive. They want to hear how much better their life is compared to these people, and how differently they operate compared to them. The end result is what you see and hear in mainstream hip-hop music.

So if most mainstream rap is junk and underground is where it's at, does this mean people like Eminem and 50 cent (both apparently highly regarded) ain't all that good?

I disagree that mainstream hip-hop is junk. Hip-Hop is Hip-Hop. Point-Black period. It all boils down to preference. People will always argue who they like as "real hip-hop" and people will always disown the artists' music that they don't like.

Lastly, what makes a genius in this world? I do not know how the rapper's prose works, so I can't be a definite judge.

Personal preference, I think. Also how well they can relate to an artists' music and image among other things.

Also: To anyone that wants to hear a fairly recent song that deals with life in the ghetto without the glitter and from a subjective point a veiw, I recommend Joe Budden's, "Three Sides To A Story". Make sure to pay attention to the lyrics ;).

[Mooserocka]

nwo think of this....the hood is bad because of drugs....everyone hates the living in the hood. Now...you need to all work as a comunity that you are, and stop the drugs, repair the neighborhood, and then more businesses will coem around.

EDIT: sorry if i am offending. I ma one to believe there is always a way out of any situation

ok ok i got u. U gotta understand though repair the neighborhood and businesses will come. The businesses are here. Drugs are the business. There are lines around the corners for some ****. The cops let this happen becasue they are paid off by the dealer. Thats how teh streets work. Also people got clothes shoes dvd's electronics. All hot merchandice. I used to sell all kinds of stuff when i was like 12-17 but now i work somewhat honestly. Drugs are what brings money to people that is the work. Im just letting u know how things are here

[Animematt55]

get your gun....and clean up the neighborhood Holleywood movie style. No lose to society...
Also, the cops arent necessarily paid off.....i wouldnt want to be the lone vehical driving arounda neighborhood like that...You have to bring the SWAT team, and DEA.

[predecessor]

get your gun....and clean up the neighborhood Holleywood movie style. No lose to society...
Also, the cops arent necessarily paid off.....i wouldnt want to be the lone vehical driving arounda neighborhood like that...You have to bring the SWAT team, and DEA.
but the SWAT division also has a tremendous mistake record. they've attacked empty houses, the wrong houses and killed innocent people in those houses all because of the DEAs war against drugs. leave the SWAT to what they were assembled origionally*yea my spelling sucks* to do*which they hardly ever deal with anymore* which is riots and hostage situations. most law enforcement agencies stay the hell out of really bad areas though.

[odw777]

ok ok i got u. U gotta understand though repair the neighborhood and businesses will come. The businesses are here. Drugs are the business. There are lines around the corners for some ****. The cops let this happen becasue they are paid off by the dealer. Thats how teh streets work. Also people got clothes shoes dvd's electronics. All hot merchandice. I used to sell all kinds of stuff when i was like 12-17 but now i work somewhat honestly. Drugs are what brings money to people that is the work. Im just letting u know how things are here

Exactly and not only that but where do you think cocaine comes from? Latin America. And we are the biggest purchaser of their national product. It can't just be ended here because people decide on it. It's much much bigger then that. Immortal technique talks about that too.

Do you even have anything to say about underground hip hop music animemat or just ***** about how there's such an easy solution to rid the whole country of poverty because of your grossly over idealistic outlook on everything?
Damn maybe you should be a politician you have so many good ideas!
;)

[Animematt55]

I could be a politician...but the thing is...i tell the truth...

Also...SWAT is made up of humans....humans make mistakes....basically...**** happens....we get over it. It is usually blown out of proportion anyways.

[predecessor]

I could be a politician...but the thing is...i tell the truth...

Also...SWAT is made up of humans....humans make mistakes....basically...**** happens....we get over it. It is usually blown out of proportion anyways.
they make too many mistakes to call it a human condition. and when they stuck to what they were created for. they didn't make any mistakes.

[Fobb]

no no no, I mean of you freestyling or something.
LMAO. dawwg, I can definetly not freestyle. Hardest thing in the WORLD to do

[Fobb]

Seriously, reading and digging into world events would solve this arguement.

First off odw77 told you we are the biggest purchasers of the Latin America's biggest product cocaine. He told you right. And do you think people in the hood are rich enough to buy it directly from there? I don't think so, so who would be buying it, and spreading it in the streets? Someone with more money maybe? Someone who obviously doesn't have anything to do with the hood, and someone who is after strictly money. So instead of solving it in the hood, find your neighbor hood cocaine purchaser, and maybe ask them nicely to stop buying, I'm sure they'll listen. ;)

And maybe your solution might be "just don't buy it"? Well, it's not that easy. First off, something called addiction. Real hard to kick. Second, the hustlers have to make a profit somehow, so they do something about it.

I don't know, someone else post, so I see a POV

[Westlo]

We all have opinions.

You seriously think IT has a good flow? It has improved in the last few years but is still far from a top class level.

Not many MC's can approach Monch when you look at the overall picture, Ras Kass might have been but apart from Soul On Ice his work has been borderline wack. With him looking like signing to G-Unit I don't expect much from him in the future.

As for most of these underground heroes like Saigon and Papoose, M.O.P's last album from 2000 will be better than anything they ever release.

They have potential but like many before them watch them waste it, and lmao at Eminem shutting Canibus up with Canni*****. There's a reason that track wasn't released in the first palce.

The best diss Eminem did to Canibus that wasn't subliminal is that track where he did the voices of Jay-Z, Snoop, 50 and Dre. His version of Canibus at the end was hilarious.

[Westlo]

Oh btw was anyone else really disappointed by that Rip The Jacker cd Canibus released, Mic Club was so much better. Probably his best cd along with B.C 2000.

[Gannon]

Oh btw was anyone else really disappointed by that Rip The Jacker cd Canibus released, Mic Club was so much better. Probably his best cd along with B.C 2000.

I thought Rip Tha Jacker was at least as good as Mic Club, if not better. Genabis, Psych Evaluation, Cemantics, Poet Laurette II-- I don't see how anyone could be disappointed with tracks like those. Granted the majority of the album are skippable depending on your taste/mood, but those tracks I mentioned (which IMO, is Canibus in top form) make it a worthy trip for me.

Also (Just my opinion) Eminem is a subpar MC at best. I've never seen any other MC garner so much success practically repeating himself on virtually every track.

[Fobb]

I enjoy IT's punch lines a LOT, and I guess that's what makes him a great rapper to me.

Rip the Jacker is a good CD. The songs Gannon mentioned are noteworthy, but yeah, its more mood music. Music you are in the mood for.