what about j-rock..?

[Piper]

don't get me wrong, j-pop is fine and all but is there anyone here who likes j-rock as well? Dir en Grey, Malice Mizer..? any?

[Yakura Shima]

nope.
not at all.
only the pillows is cool because they dont do **** and they dont sing ****.

[Ninja337]

This is a useless topic. Ofcourse there are people here that like j-rock, what do you expect to happen on a music board on an anime forum?

I dom't like J-rock anymore, they are all too emo (L'arc en Ciel, Dir en Grey) now, or they just can't sing (Polysics, Beat Crusaders, Pillows, AKFG).

Good jrock: Pierrot, Siam Shade, Orange Range sometime, High and Mighty Color, Day After Tommorow and Every Little Thing. There are other ones out there but I just don't care to listen to them.

[SonRyu]

I like a lot of JRock, but not when it's too heavy (JMetal I suppose?) I still prefer JPop to any other type of JMusic.

[kenshinbebop]

This is a useless topic. Ofcourse there are people here that like j-rock, what do you expect to happen on a music board on an anime forum?

I dom't like J-rock anymore, they are all too emo (L'arc en Ciel, Dir en Grey) now, or they just can't sing (Polysics, Beat Crusaders, Pillows, AKFG).

Good jrock: Pierrot, Siam Shade, Orange Range sometime, High and Mighty Color, Day After Tommorow and Every Little Thing. There are other ones out there but I just don't care to listen to them.


:lol: :lol:
I must be goin crazy. I thought I read you said the pillows can't sing. :lol:
OMG I need some rest or something.
[/sarcasm]

the pillows ROCK.

Also, Orange Range is more of a hip hop-ish style than rock.

And for the topic:JROCK>JPOP IMO

[Yakura Shima]

@ninja337: there we go! "they cant sing". lovely!

[Jiyuu]

Dir en grey isn't emo... That was just LOL :) I don't think they even has an idea what emo is :) That's like when they were conpared to MM :)
But their music really changed...I prefer to their older music. From the album Macabre, and even Code of vulgarism. Withering to death is just not for me :P
Hmmm... About Laruku, their music is just too light and EMOtional... I don't like them either :)
My fave bands r originally visual-kei bands like Gazette, An Café, Vidoll, and a japanese goth band called D'espairs ray.

[Ninja337]

Orange Range isn't hip hop really at all.

[Jiyuu]

Yaya real japanese hip hop... RIP SLYME :D
*starts to bounce

[VidelCoolGirl]

I'm a much bigger fan of J-pop. And I suppose Alternative, like you may consider Do As Infinity to be. (Favorite Band)

[ablo]

I can't stand Japanese pop music or Japanese rock, with the exception of the pillows, who are alright.

[Jiyuu]

O.o Can't stand ?O.o Just how many did u listen to?:D
Sorry for the sarcasm but most of the anime openings and endings r under the jpop category :)

[Piper]

This is a useless topic. Ofcourse there are people here that like j-rock, what do you expect to happen on a music board on an anime forum?

I dom't like J-rock anymore, they are all too emo (L'arc en Ciel, Dir en Grey) now, or they just can't sing (Polysics, Beat Crusaders, Pillows, AKFG).

Good jrock: Pierrot, Siam Shade, Orange Range sometime, High and Mighty Color, Day After Tommorow and Every Little Thing. There are other ones out there but I just don't care to listen to them.

yea Dir en Grey isnt emo at all...he may sing lightly at times but then the metalish vocal twist it adds makes it more hardcore..not emo

[VidelCoolGirl]

Look. It goes like this.

Yuki = J-Pop. The Pillows = J-Rock.

Everything else in betwwen is either Pop or crappy J-rap.

[kenshinbebop]

Orange Range isn't hip hop really at all.

Well it really isn't rock. It has more of a hip hop vibe than a rock one. Rock=smahing guitar riffs and goodness...hip hop is beats and fast words(orange range).

[CrossboneGundam]

Needs more JAM Project.

[Suki]

Please everyone. Dir en grey is grindcore. Or Nogaku-Kei.
Basicly all the bands people have listed are Visual Kei. I guess each individual singer would be grouped indie, because everyone has their own styles. But in my opinion, the lead vocals for Alice Nine sounds alot like the vocals of Gazette.

I really don't like the new wave of Visual Kei. It's been bothering me lately that they all want to sound like L'arc en ciel or HYDE. It's terrible.
If anyone doesn't want to listen to the harder stuff, try listening to Janne Da Arc, or Plastic Tree.

[Yukito Kunisaki]

-Psycho Le Cemu is my ALL TIME favorite Jrock band
-Dir En Grey
-L'arc~En~Ciel
-Malice Mizer
-Pierrot
-High and Mighty Color
-Hyde
-X-Japan
-hide

Theres a few. I am currently in an X-Japan mood lately, LOVING them. Drain...rocks so much ^_^. Still...PLC will always be number one in my eyes. I am more into the VK more than the heavy stuff. In short, I like alternative-style Jrock, but an interesting vocal and all. I just go one band at a time though... nice, slow, and steady.

[Jiyuu]

Yuki = J-Pop. The Pillows = J-Rock.


Yuki = J-Pop. The Pillows = J-Rock.

Everything else in betwwen is either Pop or crappy J-rap.

WoW. Now that was extremely primitive. Congrats.

[kenshinbebop]

Just for the record, the pillows is all lower case.

[Auren]

Basicly all the bands people have listed are Visual Kei.

That's the word I was trying to tell you the other day Mr.Piper....

[VidelCoolGirl]

WoW. Now that was extremely primitive. Congrats.

Well, I'm serious. Everybody is arguing over whether so and so is either Emo or rock. Music is Music. I don't think there can be "emo rock." It's all music under different styles. But cmon, most Japanese music is J-pop, or crappy engrish rap. Rest is most likely rock.

And I capitalize all nouns, it's a habit. I'll make it "the pillows" from now on.

[kenshinbebop]

:lol: No worries. You should capitalize proper nouns, but the pillows is all lower case and I just have a habit of correcting people.

My two cents: It really pisses me off, sorry if that is a bit vulgar, but...it gets me REALLY mad when a band gets a bit emotional in their songs and all of a sudden they're "emo crap". Just for the record... not allpeople who sing emotionally or have emotional lyrics aren't all the suicidal goth emo's that everyone hates. Emotions are expressed through music, that's what is so great about it. For instance, I love a song based on a deeper meaning...not whining freakin' goths,m but HYDE's "FAITH". for instance. That's about a friends near death experience, and his questioning of faith. I love how...oh no wait..that's the song "Jesus Christ" isn't it...no matter....anyway...I love how he gets real emotional when he isngs it. Does that make him an emo. No.

That's about all I had to get off my chest atm, I'll get back to ya'll. :D

[VidelCoolGirl]

Well said. If Emo rock was singing with feeling, then everyone should be under that genra.

[Suki]

:lol: No worries. You should capitalize proper nouns, but the pillows is all lower case and I just have a habit of correcting people.

My two cents: It really pisses me off, sorry if that is a bit vulgar, but...it gets me REALLY mad when a band gets a bit emotional in their songs and all of a sudden they're "emo crap". Just for the record... not allpeople who sing emotionally or have emotional lyrics aren't all the suicidal goth emo's that everyone hates. Emotions are expressed through music, that's what is so great about it. For instance, I love a song based on a deeper meaning...not whining freakin' goths,m but HYDE's "FAITH". for instance. That's about a friends near death experience, and his questioning of faith. I love how...oh no wait..that's the song "Jesus Christ" isn't it...no matter....anyway...I love how he gets real emotional when he isngs it. Does that make him an emo. No.

That's about all I had to get off my chest atm, I'll get back to ya'll. :D
Especially when the lead singer to Mr.Children started crying on stage, singing Hero.
I don't know what affected him, but it was a powerful moment.

[kenshinbebop]

Yeah...that was awesome. :lol: In the touching kind of way.

[Ninja337]

Well it really isn't rock. It has more of a hip hop vibe than a rock one. Rock=smahing guitar riffs and goodness...hip hop is beats and fast words(orange range).
Orange Range does alot of trance in it's songs. That's why they aren't really good. Hana was genius, that was really good, and so was Asterisk ofcourse. Kirikirimai was totally awesome. The rest is eaither in the middle or totally crap. Loucolotion, Viva Rock and some songs like that are ok, I wouldn't listen to them twice. Most of Natural was horrible and gave me headaches, especially Natural Pop and Recycle. And then the new single they came out with, Walk On, was just this trancey crap.

I actually just listened to a random song by the pillows, seeing as maybe their music isn't all crappy like it was on FLCL. I listened to Last Dinosaur. First there was some pretty good guitar and drums. Then there was this voice that sounded like an old guy on helium. And somebody told me this guy could sing. Toshi Kubota can sing, Gackt can sing too, or as much as a vampire born on July 4, 1540 can sing. The guy who sang this song can artistically whine.

[kenshinbebop]

Listen to Fool On the Planet.

And as for Orange Range...I've only heard the songs that you said were good, and to me, they give off a hip hop feel. I guess it's just me.

[Ninja337]

Listen to Fool On the Planet.
That was actually a pretty good song. I wouldn't listen to it more than once, and it was pretty boring but it gets quality. Can't say that about aything else I've heard from them.

[Suki]

Orange Range does alot of trance in it's songs. That's why they aren't really good. Hana was genius, that was really good, and so was Asterisk ofcourse. Kirikirimai was totally awesome. The rest is eaither in the middle or totally crap. Loucolotion, Viva Rock and some songs like that are ok, I wouldn't listen to them twice. Most of Natural was horrible and gave me headaches, especially Natural Pop and Recycle. And then the new single they came out with, Walk On, was just this trancey crap.

I actually just listened to a random song by the pillows, seeing as maybe their music isn't all crappy like it was on FLCL. I listened to Last Dinosaur. First there was some pretty good guitar and drums. Then there was this voice that sounded like an old guy on helium. And somebody told me this guy could sing. Toshi Kubota can sing, Gackt can sing too, or as much as a vampire born on July 4, 1540 can sing. The guy who sang this song can artistically whine.
Are you shitting me? Do you even know what Trance is? Have you even heard of Infected Mushroom, or Techincal itch? Thievery Corporation? I'm sorry, but Orange Range is not Trance. I would group them as the Pop genre.

Perhaps you are the person who wouldn't like The Beatles, because Sawao Sawakawa sounds exactly like Lenon. Their music is really laid back, so it's nice music to listen to while resting.
I'm sorry, but do I really want to hear endless rasping, and a tonned down voice for about 50 minutes? Toshi Kubota cannot sing.

[Auren]

:lol: No worries. You should capitalize proper nouns, but the pillows is all lower case and I just have a habit of correcting people.

My two cents: It really pisses me off, sorry if that is a bit vulgar, but...it gets me REALLY mad when a band gets a bit emotional in their songs and all of a sudden they're "emo crap". Just for the record... not allpeople who sing emotionally or have emotional lyrics aren't all the suicidal goth emo's that everyone hates. Emotions are expressed through music, that's what is so great about it. For instance, I love a song based on a deeper meaning...not whining freakin' goths,m but HYDE's "FAITH". for instance. That's about a friends near death experience, and his questioning of faith. I love how...oh no wait..that's the song "Jesus Christ" isn't it...no matter....anyway...I love how he gets real emotional when he isngs it. Does that make him an emo. No.

That's about all I had to get off my chest atm, I'll get back to ya'll. :D


Pulled the words directly from my throat there...

[GreatNekoKoneko]

... people. stop with the hating. one man's meat is another man's poison. some people hate The Pillows (i don't know why. they must be re-re's), and some people love them. this thread is all about asking who loves j-rock, not bashing other people's opinions on why they hate some bands that are j-rock.

...and in my most honest opnion, please look into more j-rock bands before laying down some justice on why they suck.

P.S. Beat Crusaders DO know how to sing. You just don't know how to listen.

[Jiyuu]

and in my most honest opnion, please look into more j-rock bands before laying down some justice on why they suck.

Correct.

Ppl who r talkin about that japanise jrock bands r getting emos, be surprise, they r not. They dont even use this describtion...They play the music they did play before. Maybe this emo thing just getting too popular and some of u guys like to throw it at the bands u dont like? Thats childish u know...

And hey there r plenty of great japanise hip hop bands, u may just dont know any...-.- And rapping in english isnt a problem in my opinion, u can hear english rylics in many many japanise song. Regardless of its genre...

[Yakura Shima]

i'm leaving this topic.
its bringing up way too many painful memories.

[kenshinbebop]

Maybe this emo thing just getting too popular and some of u guys like to throw it at the bands u dont like?

Exactly.

Anyway, as for the topic, as stated before, I think JROCK is better than JPOP. I guess it's just because I like rock better than pop in any language. But rock appeals to me more...especially the pillows. :D

[ablo]

Sorry for the sarcasm but most of the anime openings and endings r under the jpop category :)

Exactly my point.

[predecessor]

Please everyone. Dir en grey is grindcore.
*shake*..............*shake*............ ....YEARGHBLBLE!
there is no way in hell Dir en grey in grindcore. i see no similarity between dir en grey and bands like Cephalic carnage, Dying fetus and Haemorrhage.
Dir en grey is a hard rock/metal band.

but i do agree on the orange range trance thing. no way are they trance.

and people who think dir en grey and such is emo. please die. Go listen to some Fugazi, rites of spring, Circle takes the square and love like.....Electrocution and tell me they are emo

[Suki]

*shake*..............*shake*............ ....YEARGHBLBLE!
there is no way in hell Dir en grey in grindcore. i see no similarity between dir en grey and bands like Cephalic carnage, Dying fetus and Haemorrhage.
Dir en grey is a hard rock/metal band.

but i do agree on the orange range trance thing. no way are they trance.

and people who think dir en grey and such is emo. please die. Go listen to some Fugazi, rites of spring, Circle takes the square and love like.....Electrocution and tell me they are emo
To me, they sound like grindcore. I think they sound exactly like Phobia. Which is one of the most famous grindcore band in japan.

But don't get me wrong, I love Dir en grey. Just putting out a point.

[Jiyuu]

Diru's music is changing dramatically with every new released album, so i think arguing over what kind of music they play is kinda pointless :)
Actually, their visual kei music is closer to me. That was unique, in these days many indie bands trying to get similiar to them.
Dir en Grey was one of the most famous vk band in Japan, rite now they changed their music, so they can be famous out of Japan too. I don't think it's a good reason thou, if i were a famous musician in Japan, i would like to be famous out of Japan with my original music. Anyway, i still like them, i'm just worried cuz Kyo's voice was kinda weaker in Berlin than what i'm used to...
Be careful Kyo>.< AND STOP SMOKING DAMN IT!!!
hai ^^

[predecessor]

Diru's music is changing dramatically with every new released album, so i think arguing over what kind of music they play is kinda pointless :)
Actually, their visual kei music is closer to me. That was unique, in these days many indie bands trying to get similiar to them.
Dir en Grey was one of the most famous vk band in Japan, rite now they changed their music, so they can be famous out of Japan too. I don't think it's a good reason thou, if i were a famous musician in Japan, i would like to be famous out of Japan with my original music. Anyway, i still like them, i'm just worried cuz Kyo's voice was kinda weaker in Berlin than what i'm used to...
Be careful Kyo>.< AND STOP SMOKING DAMN IT!!!
hai ^^
they've always stayed in the hard rock/metal niche though. right now its kinda post-hardcore but still very much a hard rock vibe. and dir en grey mostly have terrible lives. most live tapings i have see were pretty bad. i think it has more to do with the fact kyo just doesn't sing well on stage most of the time than his smoking. i mean look at Hyde.

[Jiyuu]

Anoo...Excuse me but if u say Kyo can't sing, i'm sure u haven't seen many lives or recordings...I'm a Diru fan for more than 5 years now, and Kyo DOES have a really unique and good voice.
The last live in Berlin wasn't good at all, that's true. But u know what? I couldn't sing if i was in Kyo's place either. They were on a huge concert tour in Japan for more than a half year. Then recording and touring in Europe. They were hell tired.
Diru doesn't have good lives? U should see then Blitz 5 days, Macabre dvd, Vulgar tour etc.
Those lives were earthshakin' :)
About Hyde, the genre of his and Diru's music is quiet different... Kyo's and Hyde's yoice rn't the same either, and i've never heard Hyde screaming his lungs out at a live :)
And no, Diru wasn't hardcore before, they played vk, jrock, and now kinda hardcorish...And vk or jrock isn't hardcore at all :)

[Suki]

Sorry, but your point is completely misleading.

Visual Kei consists of different genres. They all play differently, and dress differently. There are many Hardcore Vkei bands out there(I'm just listing the ones I listen to), Phobia, Diru, Guitar Wolf(very nosgalic), MUKKU, Phantasmagoria, and Velvet Eden(but more towards goth scene).

[predecessor]

Anoo...Excuse me but if u say Kyo can't sing, i'm sure u haven't seen many lives or recordings...I'm a Diru fan for more than 5 years now, and Kyo DOES have a really unique and good voice.
The last live in Berlin wasn't good at all, that's true. But u know what? I couldn't sing if i was in Kyo's place either. They were on a huge concert tour in Japan for more than a half year. Then recording and touring in Europe. They were hell tired.
Diru doesn't have good lives? U should see then Blitz 5 days, Macabre dvd, Vulgar tour etc.
Those lives were earthshakin' :)
About Hyde, the genre of his and Diru's music is quiet different... Kyo's and Hyde's yoice rn't the same either, and i've never heard Hyde screaming his lungs out at a live :)
And no, Diru wasn't hardcore before, they played vk, jrock, and now kinda hardcorish...And vk or jrock isn't hardcore at all :)
Same here with the number of years. And i didn't say he couldn't sing. in my post i said MOST*keyword* lives i've heard were pretty bad. although according to technical standards he can't sing properly. which is probably a big reason why his vocal quality could be going down. inproper technique leads to more wear and tear on your vocal chords. just because it doesn't hurt doesn't mean damage isn't being done.

and i have seen all those lives*well listened to MP3 rips of them* and i'm sorry but quite few songs were pretty bad. but alot were good too.

Also i didn't say they used to be Hardcore. i'm saying that they have a post-hardcore*see Anberlin, Newest underoath and such*/ hard rock feel to their songs lately.

and what i really mean with Hyde is look at his high notes for example. He can still hit them after all those years of smoking. no type of singing is anymore damaging than the other if done properly.

if i forgot to adress anything in your post tell me. i haven't slept in 3 days :wacko:

[Jiyuu]

Dunno what lives u watched but the most goes for the good ones in my opinion :S
If u still think that they mostly have bad lives just don't listen to them...It's irritating..u say ur a fan for 5 years too yet u say they MOSTLY have bad lives.(of course there r a lot good..wth?:D I don't get it at all :))
Oh and what do you mean by technical standard?O.o I think Kyo's voice really fit with the music they play O.O
Umm.. and again, Kyo doesn't have to sing as Hyde does, if he can't hit those high notes he just can't. What about it? Kyo's voice is rather.. umm...dynamic :D

[predecessor]

Dunno what lives u watched but the most goes for the good ones in my opinion :S
If u still think that they mostly have bad lives just don't listen to them...It's irritating..u say ur a fan for 5 years too yet u say they MOSTLY have bad lives.(of course there r a lot good..wth?:D I don't get it at all :))
Oh and what do you mean by technical standard?O.o I think Kyo's voice really fit with the music they play O.O
Umm.. and again, Kyo doesn't have to sing as Hyde does, if he can't hit those high notes he just can't. What about it? Kyo's voice is rather.. umm...dynamic :D
you missed my point on the Hyde thing. yes kyo can't hit notes like that. but its still vocal right? what i am saying is Hydes vocal quality has not gone down after all these years of smoking. is my poiint clear or do i have to get the hammer?haha

i am a fan. just because i don't like alot of the lives*Rock am Ring '06 is a real good example of this* doesn't mean i don't like the music.and i said that while there are bad songs on the 3 professional DVDs you mentioned i also said that quite a few*read most* were still pretty damn good. READ my posts before you respond.

by technical standerds hes killing his voice. people with even minor vocal training should be able to hear in his music that he's destroying his voice. I agree that it suits the music but he could easily still sing and scream like that and explore more into his voice if he learned to use it properly. A voice is an insturment. Take care of it properly and you'll have it for a lifetime