Body Building - A bit too far?

[Chousho]

I stumbled upon a video that made my jaw drop. I myself don't really pay too much attention to lifting or how much/many reps I can do, but I still like to keep myself in a somewhat healthy state.

With that said, I saw this video and was amazed and horrified. A bit taking it too far?

http://s84.photobucket.com/albums/k26/hayw0027/?action=view&current=SL_00018400.flv

[Reidar]

No. That's the point of bodybuilding.

[Jinto117]

What women wouldn't love a guy with those legs I say, what women wouldn't? :O

[odw777]

Well that right there is the result of some powerful race horse steroids. lol
Coupled with exercise and dedication of course.
I don't know about taking it too far though.

[Leader Desslock]

I think I'd have to classify this as voluntary deformity. I think it's silly, but hey, if being muscle-bound is what floats his boat, more power to him :rolleyes:

[Jinto117]

It makes you wonder how he even wear's pants.

[predecessor]

No. That's the point of bodybuilding.
i disagree. bodybuilding takes lots of work and dedication. all that took was some injections and some minor working out. i think its disgusting really. no human can naturally make a muscle that big. so why would someone want it that big?

[Reidar]

Steroids don't take the work and dedication out of bodybuilding at all. In fact, they add to it because they allow you lift on a more intense level.

Guys like that would be a dime a dozen if that was all it took. Getting to Arnold-proportions with steroids requires years and years of blood and sweat.

[MagicianCamille]

Good thing I picked a magical class and don't have to worry about physical strength.

Errr, yeah. I occasionally exercise and try to eat somewhat well, but as far as being uber muscular, I could care less.

[Ikari Warrior]

My legs would charliehorse all over if I tried to do any of the things that guy did in that vid. I haven't seen muscles like that since I last watched DBZ.

[Spiritbomb]

Ew.. That was... well, that was pretty nasty. That's all I CAN asy about that...

[Samurai Drifter]

...:blink:

[Fobb]

That's seriously NASTY. No one should work out that much, I mean, dam, he just reminded me of that crazy gun foo from trigun. you know the one with the purple suit?

[Midoriko87]

Hmm, it's been awhile, but... OH SNAP!!! Then again, maybe phrases like "Holy Deuce" and "Hairy Balls of the Gods" would be more appropriate...

Well, that left my entire body numb, but it's nothing a teething American Staffordshire can't remedy...

Oh yeah, my 8-month-old nephew is afraid of the clown... it's really cute. ^_^ My opinions of children haven't changed, mind you. :P

[Holy Knight]

I'll bet I could run faster than that dude. And I'll also wager he has zero flexibility in those legs.

[DarkDestiny]

Ewww. Just ewww.

[Chousho]

I'll bet I could run faster than that dude. And I'll also wager he has zero flexibility in those legs.

Judging from the video, he has enough flexibility to *wiggle left* *wiggle right*.

[Japhyl]

And that's why I don't like big muscles...

[Haro!]

Yes that was quite ugly.

[EmberAlchemist0]

O_o I dislike men with big muscles it's just gross. A little muscle yeah, but dang too big of muscles is sooooo nasty. So very nasty......

[Reidar]

I'll bet I could run faster than that dude. And I'll also wager he has zero flexibility in those legs.

You know this how?

[Warabit]

that was sick and pretty cool at the same time. The deffinition is insane. rl dbz? lol

[MonkeyBoy0314]

That's just f*cking gross, man

[Rain]

Whoa, dude, that looks insane; I wonder how many years of intensified training he had to go through to get to that size and proportion.

No one should challenge Reidar's knowledge on the subject of bodybuilding.

[master terrence]

I'll bet I could run faster than that dude. And I'll also wager he has zero flexibility in those legs.


Incorrect, there are substances you can take to make yourself more flexible. Furthermore, can you even run?

I bet I could out run him... how do I know this, his legs are to large to have any proper running economy. I've seen runners like him... they're funny to watch really. Without running economy he wouldn't be able to touch low 5K/10K times, maybe he could pull a 1:30 half-marathon though.

[Dalmain]

That seems excessive.

[Reidar]

Why are sprinters so buff compared to marathon runners, then?

This is the fastest person in the world:

http://www.lclark.edu/~alec/hciwork/pics/a-maurice-green-lg.jpg

[LOSTyears]

I thought his legs were impressive. Would not want my legs that freakish but, kudos to him :thumbsup:

Now this is overboard. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yT8GPG7978)

[Reidar]

Yeah, Valentino is laughed at by actual bodybuilders. He just injects liquid synthol into his arms. They're basically gigantic pus-filled bulges, not actual muscle. Actual anabolics take hard work, though.

[Warabit]

I thought his legs were impressive. Would not want my legs that freakish but, kudos to him :thumbsup:

Now this is overboard. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yT8GPG7978)

ok, now THAT is disgusting...seriously, who would want that? Circus Freaks maybe?

[master terrence]

Why are sprinters so buff compared to marathon runners, then?

This is the fastest person in the world:

http://www.lclark.edu/~alec/hciwork/pics/a-maurice-green-lg.jpg


I said outrun- thus the 5k/10k. Are you going to tell me body builder has speed-edurance, strength endurance, and a high lactic threshold? I bet he can run a 1:30, but I'm sure he's not running any sub 1:11's for the 13.1 miles. and for the record, maurice green has running economy, because he's a runner- not a body builder. everything he does is in porportion, some body builders (especialy the one in the video) just plain out of porportion.


why are sprinters so buff compared to marathoners? I hate it when people think all fast long distance runners are skinny, it's not true. I've seen body builders run half marathons. Marathoning dosen't require as much upperbody strength (though they do need it to some level). Marathoners are skinny as a byproduct to their training, it is not something they do purposely. They have high protein and carb diets. Sprinters are more speed oriented, so they are mostly doing speed work and placing a large emphasis on weightlifting and the protein they take ultimately bulks them up- unlike distance runners who use it to recover.

I'm telling you, I've seen body builders run... they look funny... you can't do anything about it... they just look funny. In fact I can't think of one body builder who didn't look uncomfortable running.

honestly I think the ultimate differenceis, runners place a larger emphasis on more aerobic means to work out(which is why plyometrics are popular among runners). When I look at body building guides, the aerobic portions exist, but are static and it's just not comparable to running. The same goes to swimming and cycling(althogh he'd probably be better at cycling that swimming and running).


I hope you know I purposely stacked the odds against the body builder by using the 5k and 10k.

know this guy by any chance? (http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1046/prefonepd8.jpg)

[Reidar]

The point of bodybuilding is proportion. That's what the bodybuilders are judged on in competition. And outrunning can mean anything, dude. It's not just a marathon term. One can outrun the other in the sprint.

What does their intent have anything to do with it, anyways? They're still skinny. And protein doesn't bulk you up. A calorie excess does.

I'm telling you, I've seen body builders run... they look funny... you can't do anything about it... they just look funny. In fact I can't think of one body builder who didn't look uncomfortable running.

That would be the fault of the individual. Bodybuilding itself doesn't retard you from being a runner.

About your venture into bodybuilding training: I wasn't arguing that the routine of a bodybuilding program trains to you to be a runner in the first place. The issue was what the physique allows. Mass doesn't hinder flexibility or speed in the least. Again, I point to Maurice Green.

[Rain]

MAURICE GREENEEEEE.

I hate it when people think all fast long distance runners are skinny, it's not true.

Marathoners are skinny as a byproduct to their training, it is not something they do purposely.

Contradiction at its finest.

(Professional marathoners have to be fast and awfully good at pacing themselves, too.)

Sprinters are more speed oriented, so they are mostly doing speed work and placing a large emphasis on weightlifting and the protein they take ultimately bulks them up- unlike distance runners who use it to recover.

Oh my, I think the contradiction is self-explanatory.

I'm telling you, I've seen body builders run... they look funny... you can't do anything about it... they just look funny. In fact I can't think of one body builder who didn't look uncomfortable running.

Okay, we get the point; you think they run funny. So what? What the hell does that have to do with anything? More importantly, what does that have anything to do with determining how fast a person runs? It is purely subjective.

Are you a bodybuilder? No. Do you know all the bodybuilders in the whole wild world? No. So how would you know they feel uncomfortable running even if they look the part?


Is it just me, or does almost everything he say contradict everything else he said in some form or other?

[Shiroiyuki]

You know, I keep wondering if body builders are lonely. I mean, with all that bulk they must not be able to hug others very well*gives a fake sniff*. It's not so much a matter of crushing the other person to a pulp so much as lacking the ability to bend their arms enough to embrace.

*In uber-exaggerated Austrian accent* "Arnold sad...Arnold not able to hug....Arnold not able to love. Arnold SAD...ARNOLD MUST BENCH PRESS MOOORRREEEE!!!"

[Gannon]

At first I thought he had transformed into the clown you see in the very begining. Now THAT would've been impressive.

[emotoaster]

Eh some of that stuff they take is crazy, and the Itallian dude is ****ING OUT OF HIS MIND!

[Reidar]

Not that any bodybuilder would want to "hug" anyways. Disgusting.

[emotoaster]

LMAO Reidar

[master terrence]

Contradiction at its finest.

(Professional marathoners have to be fast and awfully good at pacing themselves, too.)


Oh my, I think the contradiction is self-explanatory.


Okay, we get the point; you think they run funny. So what? What the hell does that have to do with anything? More importantly, what does that have anything to do with determining how fast a person runs? It is purely subjective.

Are you a bodybuilder? No. Do you know all the bodybuilders in the whole wild world? No. So how would you know they feel uncomfortable running even if they look the part?

Is it just me, or does almost everything he say contradict everything else he said in some form or other?


1) What I"m trying to say is skinny dosen't always = fast, just because you see skinny marathoners in the olympics doesn't mean they can't control the byproduct of their running to sustain a healthier body mass index. In the off season I put on weight, but I still run. With out losing that weight I can still run an equally fast mile. what this body builder has is just too extreme. So, no it isn't in the runners best interest to get bulk- but there isn't anything wrong with some(thus the picture of "Pre").

2)weight training and body building are different. Maurice Greene doesn't look like that guy in the video.

3) their running form is off, their bodies weren't built with running in mind, so when they run they tend to have a tense upperbody resulting in a loss of energy and focus- there is more allowance for this in a marathon than an 10k believe it or not. it would take a different type of work... and ultimately, age pending, some 5k times would just be un-obtainable.

body building does not = fast runner
The point of the arguement is, I think I can outrun his 5k/10k because he is a body builder, I regret to inform you. Even if he does run marathons, I can still beat him.

[Leader Desslock]

At first I thought he had transformed into the clown you see in the very begining. Now THAT would've been impressive.
I think the clown is far more frightening than the bodybuilder. The bodybuilder just looks funny - a parody of the human form. There's nothing funny about that clown, though.

[VidelCoolGirl]

What women wouldn't love a guy with those legs I say, what women wouldn't? :O

Me. Guys like that are certainly not attractive. That is way too much.

[Reidar]

1) What I"m trying to say is skinny dosen't always = fast, just because you see skinny marathoners in the olympics doesn't mean they can't control the byproduct of their running to sustain a healthier body mass index. In the off season I put on weight, but I still run. With out losing that weight I can still run an equally fast mile. what this body builder has is just too extreme. So, no it isn't in the runners best interest to get bulk- but there isn't anything wrong with some(thus the picture of "Pre").

The fact that their bodies naturally react to the sport of marathon running in that manner proves the point.

2)weight training and body building are different. Maurice Greene doesn't look like that guy in the video.

Nobody confused the two terms. And he looks a lot closer to him than he does to a skinny man.

3) their running form is off, their bodies weren't built with running in mind, so when they run they tend to have a tense upperbody resulting in a loss of energy and focus- there is more allowance for this in a marathon than an 10k believe it or not. it would take a different type of work... and ultimately, age pending, some 5k times would just be un-obtainable.

If they trained for it, they would be able to just as easily as anybody else, regardless of their muscle mass.

body building does not = fast runner
The point of the arguement is, I think I can outrun his 5k/10k because he is a body builder, I regret to inform you. Even if he does run marathons, I can still beat him.

If he trained for marathons, how do you know that? He would still be a bodybuilder. Explain how his body physically disables him to be a runner. This is the main issue.

[0nslaught]

EWWW MUSCLES.

I already knew how this thread would go

But Reidar you do have to admit that you're a freak.

[master terrence]

I'm trying to tell you I've seen body builders run marathons.. but when it comes to an event such as the 5k/10k good times don't happen, it is like taking on a complete re-transformation- a change in muscle mass and a limited one. If he can run a marathon he can cover a 5 kilometer run, but will his marathon quality equate with his 5k quality... never.

a 5k hypothesis-
Lets say he does run marathons, he's got his base work. Let's say his weight training takes care of plyometrics and (benefit of the doubt) speed for the 5k. whats left? Lactic threshold which almost eliminates the weight training benefit because he wasn't doing speed works, instead he was doing base work. Now we move onto strength endurance, have fun finding a way to cover that ground. With a low lactic threshold and no VO2 work, he's got a few years of ground to cover. And because he isn't in puberty anymore, he's pretty much stuck in no mans land when it comes to going sub 18 minutes (males vieing for a scholarship for cross-country for a 1A school are under 17:30, and thats the lsowest I've seen). I'm not omnific, so I'm assuming he doesn't focus 1-2 hours a day on speed work(not short sprints, but fartlek type running).

At his age (he seems to be out of college atleast), yes he can be a decent marathoner, but as you aren't understanding, 5k's are out of the question- the longer he waits the less he can achieve. Ya I'm sure he can start off with a 25 minute 5k and by the end of a 10 week program he can run sub 20's... and I know 20 seems close to 18, but when your running, the faster you get the harder it is to improve, so at that point most of the work he does (at 100%) will just be maintenance. Until he gets an injury from trying to often and not taking a break.

[Reidar]

You're still dwelling into the training habits -- or lack thereof. I asked, "If he trained for marathons, how do you know that? He would still be a bodybuilder. Explain how his body physically disables him to be a runner. This is the main issue."

I also fail to see how lactic threshold is a problem. Supersets and high volume training entail "lactic bathing". Those are the mechanics behind shock therapy, a large part of bodybuilding.

And there's no such thing as "strength endurance". Strength and endurance are different properties seperated by Type I and II muscle fibre.

[Bernard_Monsha]

I stumbled upon a video that made my jaw drop. I myself don't really pay too much attention to lifting or how much/many reps I can do, but I still like to keep myself in a somewhat healthy state.

With that said, I saw this video and was amazed and horrified. A bit taking it too far?

http://s84.photobucket.com/albums/k26/hayw0027/?action=view&current=SL_00018400.flv

That guy has beenaround for years his nickname is Quadzilla.

Reidar is right about body building, it has to do with proportion. Arnold Schwarzenegger's success and longevity in the sport was due to the fact he was both tall and perfectly proportioned. You will probably never see another Arnold again,

[master terrence]

And there's no such thing as "strength endurance". Strength and endurance are different properties seperated by Type I and II muscle fibre.

then what would you call a work out that consists of 2 x 1200 meters with 3 minute jogs in between followed by 3x400 meters with 1-minute jogs in between? sounds like strength-enduance training to me.


and I never said they couldn't run, because running marathons involves running. I"m saying their 5k/10k times aren't going to be good. Training for the 5k/10k for a good time involves more than just weight training and base running. So the real point I was trying to make is, even though he has big quads, I think I can still beat him.

[Reidar]

then what would you call a work out that consists of 2 x 1200 meters with 3 minute jogs in between followed by 3x400 meters with 1-minute jogs in between? sounds like strength-enduance training to me.

It's not. That's muscle endurance and cardiovascular stamina, not strength. Strength is the maximal amount of force that is applied from contraction. There's no such thing as "strength endurance". Endurance is endurance and strength is strength.

and I never said they couldn't run, because running marathons involves running. I"m saying their 5k/10k times aren't going to be good. Training for the 5k/10k for a good time involves more than just weight training and base running. So the real point I was trying to make is, even though he has big quads, I think I can still beat him.

How do you know that he doesn't train for other sports?

[DarkDestiny]

Whoa, dude, that looks insane; I wonder how many years of intensified training he had to go through to get to that size and proportion..
Years? Steroids! :P

[Fobb]

What I think he MT is saying is that since he has a focus on running, and the other dude has a focus on bodybuilding, he can beat him running.

PS: I'm pretty sure I can beat him too, because if what BM said is right, then anyone can beat him, because he is dead.

[Reidar]

That point isn't what I'm arguing against. I'm arguing against the notion that a physique like that physically disables you from being a runner:

"I bet I could out run him... how do I know this, his legs are to large to have any proper running economy."

[Fobb]

IMO: he is too big, and you have to get rid of as much mass as possible to run right? The guy you put up (I forgot his name) has muscle, but not too much. He has all that he needs. This guy on the other hand, has way too much.

(PS: If you wanna confuse me, use a whole bunch of scientific names for body parts, and different types of excersizes ;) )

[Reidar]

That's a non sequitur. If you have to get rid of as much muscle mass as possible to run, why are so many sprinters jacked? Sprinting is an anaerobic activity that requires strong Type II muscle fibre, which entails fast, explosive movement. This is built up through weight training. Of course, you'll eventually just reach a point of diminishing returns, which is why bigger doesn't absolutely equate to stronger or faster. For example, I can refer you to a powerlifter whose muscle mass is much smaller than a bodybuilder's, and yet the powerlifter is stronger. But that doesn't mean the bodybuilder's mass retards him from being strong. The same goes for running fast.

[master terrence]

well I think it retards his fullest capability. I'm a runner and I lift weight, I do work outs in the pool too, but I would never say that because I'm a good runner and healthy that I am a good swimmer too. Tri-athletes and extreme sport athletes have their inequalities as well. Some are excel at swimming, some at running, and some at cycling.

You can stop argueing with me now, because your not going to change my mind. And yes, Strength-endurance training exists in running... or so thinks John Henwood(New Zealand olympian and coach).

[Reidar]

I'm not trying to change your mind. I will always argue so long as I see incorrect information layed out. If you think that mass disables one from running, say why. You haven't explained that yet. You've dwelled into that contents of bodybuilding training and how it isn't beneficial for running, which is more than obvious. I'm not asking why bodybuilding training doesn't train you for running. I'm asking why big muscles = bad runner.

Furthermore, I'm not discussing this with John Henwood. There's no such thing as "strength-endurance". Strength and endurance are seperated by opposing fibre, Type I and II. If you think I'm mistaken, give me a scientific example.

[Leader Desslock]

You guys can dance back and forth in your argument all you want, but you need to step back and think a moment. If you saw this guy walking down the road, you wouldn't think, "Wow. This guy really looks like a runner." He doesn't, not at all. He looks like a bodybuilder. Likewise, if you saw the picture of the sprinter that someone posted, you wouldn't think, "He looks like a bodybuilder", nor would you think "He looks like a marathoner / triathlete / cyclist". He doesn't - he looks like a sprinter and nothing else. Lance Armstrong doesn't look like a bodybuilder either, he looks like a cyclist.

It's absolutely true that none of us can say for certain that the weightlifting guy isn't also a runner, or that he can't run very fast. All we can say for certain is that he's not built like a runner at all. We can also say with a certain amount of assurance that if his bodybuilder physique was of general advantage to competitive running, you'd expect to see more competitive runners who look like bodybuilders. Since you don't see that, it's probably a safe bet that this guy's not a competition-level runner. And he'd probably lose to someone who is a competition runner, just like I'd lose a bike race to Lance Armstrong. I don't have any proof that I'd lose a bike race to Lance, it's just something I feel quite confident saying.

Can I prove that the bodybuilder guy can't run? No, but based on the few bodybuilders I've seen run, I think I could probably outrun him myself. I have no doubt that he could lift me off the ground and break me in half - but he'd have to catch me first, and I don't see that happening. Maybe he could. I guess we'll find out if I ever meet the guy and get him mad, won't we? ^_^

[Fobb]

You guys can dance back and forth in your argument all you want, but you need to step back and think a moment. If you saw this guy walking down the road, you wouldn't think, "Wow. This guy really looks like a runner." He doesn't, not at all. He looks like a bodybuilder. Likewise, if you saw the picture of the sprinter that someone posted, you wouldn't think, "He looks like a bodybuilder", nor would you think "He looks like a marathoner / triathlete / cyclist". He doesn't - he looks like a sprinter and nothing else. Lance Armstrong doesn't look like a bodybuilder either, he looks like a cyclist.

It's absolutely true that none of us can say for certain that the weightlifting guy isn't also a runner, or that he can't run very fast. All we can say for certain is that he's not built like a runner at all. We can also say with a certain amount of assurance that if his bodybuilder physique was of general advantage to competitive running, you'd expect to see more competitive runners who look like bodybuilders. Since you don't see that, it's probably a safe bet that this guy's not a competition-level runner. And he'd probably lose to someone who is a competition runner, just like I'd lose a bike race to Lance Armstrong. I don't have any proof that I'd lose a bike race to Lance, it's just something I feel quite confident saying.

Can I prove that the bodybuilder guy can't run? No, but based on the few bodybuilders I've seen run, I think I could probably outrun him myself. I have no doubt that he could lift me off the ground and break me in half - but he'd have to catch me first, and I don't see that happening. Maybe he could. I guess we'll find out if I ever meet the guy and get him mad, won't we? ^_^Count on Desslock to put it all in perspective :) . LMAO at the last paragraph!

[Chousho]

You guys can dance back and forth in your argument all you want, but you need to step back and think a moment. If you saw this guy walking down the road, you wouldn't think, "Wow. This guy really looks like a runner." He doesn't, not at all. He looks like a bodybuilder. Likewise, if you saw the picture of the sprinter that someone posted, you wouldn't think, "He looks like a bodybuilder", nor would you think "He looks like a marathoner / triathlete / cyclist". He doesn't - he looks like a sprinter and nothing else. Lance Armstrong doesn't look like a bodybuilder either, he looks like a cyclist.

It's absolutely true that none of us can say for certain that the weightlifting guy isn't also a runner, or that he can't run very fast. All we can say for certain is that he's not built like a runner at all. We can also say with a certain amount of assurance that if his bodybuilder physique was of general advantage to competitive running, you'd expect to see more competitive runners who look like bodybuilders. Since you don't see that, it's probably a safe bet that this guy's not a competition-level runner. And he'd probably lose to someone who is a competition runner, just like I'd lose a bike race to Lance Armstrong. I don't have any proof that I'd lose a bike race to Lance, it's just something I feel quite confident saying.

Can I prove that the bodybuilder guy can't run? No, but based on the few bodybuilders I've seen run, I think I could probably outrun him myself. I have no doubt that he could lift me off the ground and break me in half - but he'd have to catch me first, and I don't see that happening. Maybe he could. I guess we'll find out if I ever meet the guy and get him mad, won't we? ^_^

Is it just me, or does anybody else get the image of a young Dess running away from bullies at school as a regular occurrence?

[Fobb]

Is it just me, or does anybody else get the image of a young Dess running away from bullies at school as a regular occurrence?
LMAO!!! I was picturing this gigantor monstor running after Dess. It would be pretty hilarous. I would laugh for a while, then go and help. lol

[Reidar]

I never said that a bodybuilder physique is advantageous to running. I said that it doesn't disable him from running in any way and that it's unfounded to make an assumption of your capabilities vs. his based on his aesthetics. You're saying that the proposition to be proved is assumed implicitly or explicitly in one of the premises (that the bodybuilders you've seen run weren't good runners).

[Leader Desslock]

Is it just me, or does anybody else get the image of a young Dess running away from bullies at school as a regular occurrence?
Happened quite regularly, until I figured out that running only encouraged the pack. After that, I just got beat up a lot, but I generally made sure I deserved it.

I did run from the big dumb ones whenever they were cruising to pick on me one-on-one, though. They might be able to run fast once they get up to speed, but it generally takes 'em a while to get there, and they can't corner well once they do. :lol:

You're saying that the proposition to be proved is assumed implicitly or explicitly in one of the premises (that the bodybuilders you've seen run weren't good runners).
No, I'm saying that if I had to make a wager on that guy's running ability based solely on his picture, my ten bucks would be on him getting his sculpted buttocks handed to him by even a moderate-level competition runner. He might well be one of the fastest beings on the planet. Sure. Could be. But my money sure as heck wouldn't be on him to win or even place in any sort of running competition. If you'd choose to bet on him over a runner, that's your own affair.

[Pickie]

For a second there I thought you were gonna post a picture of Ronnie Coleman

LIGHTWEIGHT!
MASTERPIECE!

[Fobb]

For a second there I thought you were gonna post a picture of Ronnie Coleman

LIGHTWEIGHT!
MASTERPIECE!
That dude looks like he has nothing but muscle. No bone, no fat, NOTHING.

[predecessor]

That dude looks like he has nothing but muscle. No bone, no fat, NOTHING.
he used to have an awesome phisique. but now he just looks like a roid monkey

[Reidar]

No, I'm saying that if I had to make a wager on that guy's running ability based solely on his picture, my ten bucks would be on him getting his sculpted buttocks handed to him by even a moderate-level competition runner. He might well be one of the fastest beings on the planet. Sure. Could be. But my money sure as heck wouldn't be on him to win or even place in any sort of running competition. If you'd choose to bet on him over a runner, that's your own affair.

You're just repeating what I said. You're making that basis on one premise. So I'm asking: why?

[Jinto117]

Funny how such a jolly thread turned into such an anal debate.

[Fobb]

You're just repeating what I said. You're making that basis on one premise. So I'm asking: why?
First impressions.

[Leader Desslock]

What part of "he doesn't look like a runner" do you not understand?

I've been handed a picture of a guy who doesn't look like a runner. I'm asked, "would you bet this guy could beat a competition runner?" What else should my answer be? No, I don't think he could. Do I need a greater reason than "he doesn't look like a runner?"

[VidelCoolGirl]

Well, this will be closed soon enough. But yeah, I don't think the guy could run. Maybe kick the otehr guys *** yes, but as far as beat him in a race, no.

[Holy Knight]

You know this how?

I don't. As Desslock said, it's all in how I view the muscles and the way he holds himself. Besides, I can run a sub six minute mile as well as a half-marathon, so he'd have a fair competitor. As for flexibility, such big muscles must strain those tendons enough to cause loss of overall flexibility and agility. And all that muscle mass is bound to drag him down as well.

[Reidar]

What part of "he doesn't look like a runner" do you not understand?

I've been handed a picture of a guy who doesn't look like a runner. I'm asked, "would you bet this guy could beat a competition runner?" What else should my answer be? No, I don't think he could. Do I need a greater reason than "he doesn't look like a runner?"

You're a competition runner? Because otherwise, that wasn't your initial premise:

"No, but based on the few bodybuilders I've seen run, I think I could probably outrun him myself."

As for flexibility, such big muscles must strain those tendons enough to cause loss of overall flexibility and agility. And all that muscle mass is bound to drag him down as well.

Muscle isn't just dead weight. Think about it: what does muscle do?

[Leader Desslock]

You're a competition runner?
Not for a while, but I used to be on the track team in HS. Years of outrunning bullies made me pretty fast and maneuverable. Then I got hit by a car, which messed up my knee, and now I'm a cyclist (lower impact). My strength is now, and has always been in my legs.

When I'm in fighting trim, I can still run pretty fast.

[Reidar]

"Competition runner" implies more than just being on the track team in high school, just like "bodybuilder" implies more than just someone who lifts weights as a hobby. Consequently, when you say that "he doesn't look like he can run fast compared to me", you're indicating an unfounded stereotype. Why's that? Because you wouldn't say that with an athlete of some other sport. If this thread was about an extraordinary bowler, you wouldn't remark, "He doesn't look like a runner. I could outrun him." The reason people do with the bodybuilder is because of the notion that big = slow.

[Magami No ER]

Wow, they look like enlarged chicken legs.
Too inflated of a muscle for me, be them natural or artifically enhanced.

[Leader Desslock]

So why do I need more than an assumption? I just said "I'd bet on me over him". I know how fast I can run, I know how fast I've seen bodybuilders run. Based on that, I make an assumption about my chances.

Why are our assumptions less valid than yours, by the way? Just curious. You'd probably bet on him. That's your choice, but it's still an assumption. None of us are basing this on a knowledge of this guy's actual running ability.

And yes, the condition of my knee prohibits me from training as a runner. But I know that I can bike dozens of miles uphill to the divide. I might not be a competition runner, but I have reason to trust my cardio shape and the endurance of my legs nonetheless.

[Reidar]

I wouldn't bet on him. I'd bet on the guy who has the training for running. That's my entire point: big muscles don't inhibit anything. I don't know his or your capabilities in that area, so I would look into that first. If it was just a spur of the moment type of thing, I'd just pick somebody at random.

[Leader Desslock]

Good. So you'd make the same assumptions as the rest of us regarding his abilities in comparison with a runner. That's good to know. Glad we took so many pages to work that out.

[Reidar]

Nope. His running abilities with a runner, not the preconcieved abilities that his physique has people assuming.

[Holy Knight]

Muscle isn't just dead weight. Think about it: what does muscle do?

From personal experience, whenever I tend to gain muscle mass during intensive workouts that span over a few weeks or months, my cardio has to work harder to keep up with the additional mass. It may be extra power as a muscle, but not all of it is in the legs.

Nope. His running abilities with a runner, not the preconcieved abilities that his physique has people assuming.

Then the better runner wins, that's it. Besides, we're only going into running because:

1) I brought up that point.

2) We only see his legs in the video.

Otherwise, this thread wouldn't exist in its current form.

[Reidar]

From personal experience, whenever I tend to gain muscle mass during intensive workouts that span over a few weeks or months, my cardio has to work harder to keep up with the additional mass. It may be extra power as a muscle, but not all of it is in the legs.

Your system has to get used to extra weight at first. I have shin problems if I gain a lot of weight too quickly, but it's not permanent.

About flexibility: it is true that the fibers instinctively shorten as a reaction to the stress, making you stiff, but this is remedied by stretching to elongate them. Simple.

Then the better runner wins, that's it. Besides, we're only going into running because:

1) I brought up that point.

2) We only see his legs in the video.

Otherwise, this thread wouldn't exist in its current form.

That's my point. The better runner wins, period. It wouldn't be because one of them has a bodybuilder physique.

[sailornyanko]

Bah, I can't see the video with the pc at my house, how bout someone posting a few snapshots?

I like people who look athletic and fit, but bulging muscles. I guess it's still kinda okay for a guy to be realllllllly chunky, but super muscular women turns me off.

[SabakuKuniGaara]

Just a little off-topic comment:

Thanks for this thread guys, cause at the SAT courses I'm taking I wrote a perfect essay, in which I talked about Valentino's case, about which I wouldn't have known anything if it wasn't for this thread. :P

[Fobb]

Just a little off-topic comment:

Thanks for this thread guys, cause at the SAT courses I'm taking I wrote a perfect essay, in which I talked about Valentino's case, about which I wouldn't have known anything if it wasn't for this thread. :P
:lol: looks like something useful came of this