Chapter 316 *spoilers*

[Denisa]

The chapter hasn't come out yet, but here's your spoiler pic.

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/9179/vip61896bn2.jpg

[abomination]

Asuma and Shikamaru playing shougi and in a melancholic state. That's it, something is going to happen to Asuma now. Although only 1 page with no translation, to me there's no doubt about it now.

[DarkDestiny]

Poor Asuma! Lots of attention all of a sudden = misfortune.
On a good note: at least we get to see some of the other characters (Yay Shika!).

[Charred Knight]

Poor Asuma! Lots of attention all of a sudden = misfortune.
On a good note: at least we get to see some of the other characters (Yay Shika!).

Either that or his simply developing Asuma so they can use him more often, we know almost nothing about ANY of the jounins.

[Hika]

RAW's out.

I have to read it and translation a few times before i get my head around it all I think. But anyone notice the connection between Naruto's 'leaves' and Yondy? If that's not Kishi dropping the world's biggest hint than I don't know what is - it's almost canon! :P (as if we didnt already know).

Another tactical chapter which is good for those studying their PhD in Narutology - now we'll get endless analysis of all the elements!

And it was great to see Shikamaru get some limelight! Yay! I love that guy.

[ffl]

What sort of connection between Naruto's leaves and Yondaime do you mean?:huh: I didn't see one besides just Konoha.

And yes, after the dialogue between Shikamaru and Asuma... he may not be able to see Naruto become Hokage. It makes me wonder though... if the Hokage isn't the most important thing that he wants to protect... then what is? Konohamaru? Kurenai? His team? Naruto? I guess we'll see when it's revealed.

Regarding Naruto and Yondaime though... there was mention of "Bloodline Limits" and that they were the combination and manipulation of two or more elemental types. Hm... what's this going to show about Naruto then? Combining Shadow and Wind?:)

[MightyDustLoop]

I'd imagine Naruto's ultimate state would be both his own chakra as well as Kyuubi's working in sync with each other instead of keeping each other in check (fire in one hand and wind in the other). And since that balancing act means keeping his own chakra at a similar level to his inner Kyuubi state, it'd reasonably be insanely powerful.

I hope the flaming tornado comment I made remains a joke though. That sounds so lame. It would be interesting to see Naruto in a state where he can freely manipulate the movement of fire though. Anyone in basic science knows air currents and oxygen levels are synonomous with fire. But then, it'd be pretty tough to put any sort of cap on Naruto's power if he can do that. I don't know, we shall see.

For something Kishi probably just now made up though, I kind of like his explanation on elements and bloodline limits. Sure, there are exceptions, but they don't fall too out of line. He can explain them as uses of chakra itself (healing jutsu as simply moving chakra from one body to another, shadow as merely a force or even wind chakra where chakra is transferred through the shadow to hold a person in place, etc.).

Elements as the main staples of the force, and combining them in unique hereditary ways for bloodline limits, is almost kind of clever. I certainly doubt he had it planned from the beginning (or he would have told us sooner), but it's not bad for an on the fly explanation. Makes the Sharingan massively overrated, though I suppose if the holder can handle all elements, the potential is still the almost infinite we keep hearing about. Guess we'll just have to accept that that's the case with Orochi.

[Hara!]

So he can create a giant vortex of chakra in his hand, but finds it difficult to cut a leaf with said chakra?

Anyway, how do you think Asuma will be taken out? maybe he's an Akatsuki spy...

[DarkNataku]

maybe tries to take on oro bc of what he did to his dad. or maybe defending Yūhi Kurenai

[Jinto117]

Asuma's has to protect the fuedal lord, that's my guess. It's probably a duty he was sworn to do since his ANBU days.

[Hika]

What sort of connection between Naruto's leaves and Yondaime do you mean?:huh: I didn't see one besides just Konoha.

Yondy is often associated with leaves. There are many shots of him with leaves, but there is one shot in particular (and do you think I can find it? Noooo) that looks very similar to the panel showing Naruto with the cut leaf in his hand. This chapter was full of symbolism and that was just one. It's just making it more obvious that Yondy is Naruto's father. Or at the very least, there is a Hokage connection between them - the hokage that was (Yondy) and the hokgake yet to be (Naruto).

[Jinto117]

Well it's very possible that Yondy had a nack for both fire and wind elements. I'm not saying Naruto will have the same attributes but it's still a possibility.

[Hika]

*waves to Jinto*

I wasn't making any elements connections even. Just the connection either between father/son or past Hokage/future Hokage. Hey, I haven't even BEGUN to get my head around the elements yet! That is like...I dunno a whole other realm of analysis! I need a few DAYS to think about those! :D

[MightyDustLoop]

I suppose Yondaime could be decent with fire. After all, didn't Yondy wear orange too? How many people in Naruto (hell, in real life too) dress up in full orange? He's basically broadcasting that if you piss him off, he'll light you up.

[abomination]

HaHaHa, I love Yamato's looks on page 2. Goes from a disgruntled look to wide eyed grin. Freakin hilarious.

Combing stock elemental chakra to create new elements and elemental jutsus. Not a bad idea actually. Simultaniously using and holding chakra of different elements in each hand and combining them along with a hand seal to make a new elemental jutsu that is an element made up of the two. So if Earth and Water make Wood( or something similar to plant like ) and Wind and Water make Ice, what other combination can be made ? What I don't get is how all of this relates to a bloodline limit ?

As I've said, Asuma isn't going to be in for good times. He may not die, but something is going to happen to him. I think maybe he's going to sacrifice himself to protect Naruto. He's the metaphorical sacrificial shougi piece and if the King is not the Hokage, then who is it ? Naruto perhaps ? I think he's eventually going to fight against Hiden or Kazuku or another Akatsuki member . I mean ,it's pretty much all falling into place for something like that.

[Jinto117]

*waves to Jinto*

I wasn't making any elements connections even. Just the connection either between father/son or past Hokage/future Hokage. Hey, I haven't even BEGUN to get my head around the elements yet! That is like...I dunno a whole other realm of analysis! I need a few DAYS to think about those! :D

Well I'll be sure and wait to here your analysis over at MH. ^_^

[max_powers]

you know, Kishi just HAD to use the WORST example for a bloodline limit. So two elements, water and wind, one in each hand, combine to make ice, a new element. Great explanation Kishi... except for one thing. Haku had friggin one-handed seals!!!!!!

well, now that the steam has been blown off... interesting chapter. My guess (and I KNOW this one's on the mark) would be that the "King" Asuma referred to is not any one person, but a belief. The belief that Konoha was built upon. The belief that a person's true strength shows only when they care for someone else, would fight for that someone, would die for that someone. Sandaime died because his someone was in fact the whole village, they are all family to him, and his sacrifice was made to protect them. This is what Asuma (prolly) means when he said "I thought it was the hokage..." Its not the individual that matters, its the idea behind it.

...And ideas are bulletproof! (hahahaha, sorry, just had to put it in. I might never get a chance like this again!)

[ffl]

Well, if Haku's was water and wind, then Gaara's must be earth and wind to create sand as opposed to just being earth. What this info does mess up though, are the shinobi from the Snow Country.:)

Oh, and the Third Kazekage must've been earth and lightning to create his iron sand attacks. Although, he probably gained an affinity with more element types too.

[DarkNataku]

ok so naruto is training to cut a leaf with his chakra. this might serve him to get past sasuke's Chidori Nagashi.

[Suki]

Asuma is so emo in this one.


Very informative chapter. I like it.

[Hika]

you know, Kishi just HAD to use the WORST example for a bloodline limit. So two elements, water and wind, one in each hand, combine to make ice, a new element. Great explanation Kishi... except for one thing. Haku had friggin one-handed seals!!!!!!



We're not allowed to link to other sites are we? So in that event, here is a copy /paste of what somebody else has to say to that:

Spoiler pic of Haku doing his jutsu thing (I couldn't upload the pic sorry!)

as everybody goes "wtf, one handed?!" thats haku with his combined wind and water. but since he is only needed water element he used one hand

spoiler pic Haku doing his jutsu thing


Yamato: I can only use both "Earth" and "Water" ones
In the first place, there really is no fundamental nature for "Wood"

Naruto: Then how?

Kakashi: You use them simultaneously
You use both the nature manipulation of "Earth" and "Water" at the same time
And it makes a newly formed "Wood" nature manipulation appear

"Earth" in your right hand
"Water" in your left hand

note: translation by Yoshitsune... he is god!

yamato speaks of one handed jutsu making like haku did...

sooo kishimoto thought of this ideal since the very first arc of naruto! and he planned this ahead!

all i have to say is that he is a genius and you should stop doubting his abilities!

What do you guys think? I think it's a pretty good explanation and it does show that Kishi hadn't just made this one up on the spot!

And a quote by Odlam: "So bloodlimit users who have elemental combination techniques can do one handed seals with either element that makes up the combination."

[Denisa]

Yeah, It looks like Asuma can out emo Sasuke now. I feel so bad for the guy. Every chapter is a countdown to his death. :crybaby:

But then I'm a Shikamaru fangirl so I was very happy with this chapter. So he's a Knight that jumps over people. It looks like he'll play a big role in this arc and his genius will shine again.

If the King is not the Hokage than it's either Naruto, Konoha or Kurenai. Kurenai because Asuma now realizes how he needs to protect her. That's why he told Shikamaru he'll understand when it's time. Maybe when he gets with Temari he'll understand.

Naruto will use more than one element. Never saw that coming. :-" But it still was good to get an explaination of the nature of jutsus from Kakashi and Yamato. I wanted more on Yin and Yang nature since it seemed to explain Shikamaru's shadow technique and even what Choji and Sakura does. I guess we will have to wait.

Next week, Hidan and Kakuzu kill more people.

[Punnchy]

Next week, Hidan and Kakuzu kill more people.

Yay! I seriously can't wait. Maybe we'll get to see more of the technique besides Hidan's Scythe and Kakuzu's Punch?

[DarkNataku]

just one question, if kakashi knew about the training with the kage bunshin. why didnt he tell him while he was climbing trees. could have made him a lot stronger sooner. but seeing as kishi is a db fan this is going to go as there is always someone stronger out there.

Spoiler the end of naruto he goes off with gamabunta....to a local bar. lol

[abomination]

About the whole Haku stuff, give the guy some slack. It wouldn't be the first time an author of a long running shounen manga series wrote something in a later chapter that flatout contradicted something that was shown,seen,or said in an earlier chapter.

As time goes by, you get more and better idea's, introduce more characters and techniques and sometimes you forget something you done in an earlier chapter that at that time was a major 'wtf' thing. But since he did include the mention of Haku and his Ice element, he obviously didn't forget what Haku could do. This might actually need a more in-depth explanation than what was given.

[Brill]

Wow, two informative chapters in a row. This is rather nice. Naruto with a sharp intelligent question-pretty scary! I wouldn't fixate on the Haku one hand thing too much-you didnt see what's going on with the other one, did you? ;)

So the Shika couldn't figure out who the queen, err king, is? Can we say-Temari? If this goes with Kishi's earlier storyline themes of protecting people you care for then this may be it. I wonder what her second skill is or Neji's for that matter.

So if Naruto figures this tehcnique out does this mean he bypasses chunnin and become an outright jounin?

[max_powers]

umm, i think its something along the lines of "most (if not all) jounin have at least 2 elements". Its more like a requirement (much like Bankai in Bleach, with regards to becoming a Captain).

[blackknight]

I really have nothing to add. For me this chapter was decent but not really thought-provoking.

I'm thinking that adding Naruto's wind to Kyuubi's fire will make some kind of flaming whirlwind, which he sends to hunt down his foes. My two cents.

[ffl]

umm, i think its something along the lines of "most (if not all) jounin have at least 2 elements". Its more like a requirement (much like Bankai in Bleach, with regards to becoming a Captain).

I don't think it would be a requirement to becoming a Jounin. It was only mentioned that by the time most shinobi become jounin, they can use more than one element. There's nothing to indicate that there would even be a requirement like that for being a jounin, since being a jounin depends more upon skill and prowess as a shinobi rather than a set power level.

[max_powers]

point taken, but somewhat accounted for. I neglected to mention that there is one captain in Bleach who doesn't have Bankai. But yea, its like you dont NEED it, but it'd be super-helpful if u did have it.

[ffl]

I don't think it's related to Bleach at all.:|

[MightyDustLoop]

About the whole Haku stuff, give the guy some slack. It wouldn't be the first time an author of a long running shounen manga series wrote something in a later chapter that flatout contradicted something that was shown,seen,or said in an earlier chapter.


Indeed. Even Toriyama wrote in another set of Dragonballs to change the rules. I dislike plotholes myself. People like to theorize, and when you place plotholes in a property, it only takes the fun out of it. But when you're talking a long running property, it's impossible to preplan entirely. You'd have to have multiple scenarios to plan in advance for something that can last anywhere from a year or so to decades. I think Kishi's doing it fairly well, but only the movement of the fans can truly dictate that.

[Quattro Ninja]

!!


...And ideas are bulletproof! (hahahaha, sorry, just had to put it in. I might never get a chance like this again!)


:P nice

Decent chapter. Kishi is already setting it up for Naruto to combine elements.

When will Itachi show up again?!

[Jinto117]

When will Itachi show up again?!

When he is done painting his nails. :P

[Denisa]

Itachi and Kisame were the ones assigned to Naruto. So it makes you wonder what Hidan and Kakuzu are doing if they are heading to Konoha? Maybe we'll see some Akatsuki infighting.

[DarkDestiny]

^ Seeing some Akatsuki anything would be great right now.

[blackknight]

What, more of Akatsuki destroying immensely powerful oponents without any explanation of how the hell they did it?

I do find the bloodline explanation rather false. If all it is is combining elements how does that explain Sharingan, Byakugan, and Kimmimaro's bones?

[Hara!]

What, more of Akatsuki destroying immensely powerful oponents without any explanation of how the hell they did it?


Hidan summoned jesus to distract the Nibi. Meanwhile, Kakuzu stole it's wallet.

[blackknight]

Hidan summoned jesus to distract the Nibi. Meanwhile, Kakuzu stole it's wallet.
Hah! Very good explanation.