Zeta Gundam: newbie questions

[Dr. Nick]

Hi everybody, another UC newbie here. I just finished marathoning Zeta, and I've got a few questions:

1. What caused Bright to join the AEUG? We see him getting beat up by Bask's thugs, and when he reappears several episodes later he's already a full-blown rebel.

2. What happened to those other Gundam Mark II prototypes?

3. Where did Zeta's biosensor come from? Was it there from the beginning or was it an upgrade of some sort? I don't think its function was ever explained in the series...

4. What was the deal with Rosamia's past and these photographs? (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/random%20anime/snapshot20060716184343.jpg) She had a brother that just happened to look somewhat like Kamille? If she was from Axis, how does she have memories of "sky falling down" (= a colony drop, I presume)?

5. Why did The O's controls stop working when Zeta was kamikaze-zooming towards it? Was that a some kind of force grip -esque Newtype trick?

6. About the new compilation movies: I've heard Tomino has re-written the ending so that Double Zeta has been kicked out of the "new" UC timeline. How does this affect the ending body count? Are Yazan and Haman gonna get snuffed as well in the final movie?

I haven't seen ZZ yet, so my apologies if some of these questions are answered there.

[Grizzbob]

Well, I don't have all the answers, but I have an opinion or two...
For 1. I believe that Bright was not very happy with the Titans in the first place, & while he didn't exactly care much for the AEUG either, he felt they were the lesser of two evils, so after some of the atrocities the Titans commited, that made up his mind to switch sides.

2. I'm pretty sure the other Mark 2 prototypes were canibalized to make spare parts for the one they used.
As for the rest, I dunno, I should probably watch it again, maybe it'll help clear those up a bit(but I can't guarantee an answer can be found there).... :cool:

[Tiran]

I assumed Rosamia's memories were all manufactured, she was meant to believe she was Camilles sister so she could get close to him.

[Vaikyuko]

3) The biosensor is somewhat of a deus ex machina - it pretty much served its purpose, without much else to do. Wasn't mentioned in the show prior to its appearance in the last eps, but it was mentioned in Zeta kits during the TV run. I think.

6) The changed endings of the movies (where Kamille no longer is brainfried, for example) completely retcon not only ZZ, but also CCA, according to some random Gunota article I read a while ago. Not sure if it affects F91 or Victory in any way, but if it helps, the canon ending is still the TV series, technically.

[Soluzar]

2. What happened to those other Gundam Mark II prototypes?I think that they got wrecked as time went by, and were just used for parts, and R & D. If I'm not mistaken, the Zeta was partially based on studies of the Mark II.

3. Where did Zeta's biosensor come from? Was it there from the beginning or was it an upgrade of some sort? I don't think its function was ever explained in the series...
It's not really well explained, but I think that the function is somewhat similar to the psycoframe. I believe this is implied rather than stated.

[Techrobo]

I think that they got wrecked as time went by, and were just used for parts, and R & D. If I'm not mistaken, the Zeta was partially based on studies of the Mark II.

Yes, they were broken down and shipped off to Anaheim for R&D purposes. The Zeta, and multiple other mobile suits from later in the series combine the technology of the Gundam Mk II with that of the Rick Dias.

[Soluzar]

Yes, they were broken down and shipped off to Anaheim for R&D purposes. The Zeta, and multiple other mobile suits from later in the series combine the technology of the Gundam Mk II with that of the Rick Dias.

Thought so. Gundam Mk II was extremely agile, but the armor was nothing compared to designs such as the Rick Dias, and the characters did comment on this. Bring the two together, and you get something rather special.

[Levon]

4. What was the deal with Rosamia's past and these photographs? (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/random%20anime/snapshot20060716184343.jpg) She had a brother that just happened to look somewhat like Kamille? If she was from Axis, how does she have memories of "sky falling down" (= a colony drop, I presume)?


www.shin-getter.net released a "one shot manga about Rosamia from Zeta Gundam, called Sayonara".

I'm downloading it now.


But anyway, her memories are all fake. Shes a cyber Newtype, just like Four.


1. What caused Bright to join the AEUG? We see him getting beat up by Bask's thugs, and when he reappears several episodes later he's already a full-blown rebel.

A lot of Feds & even a few Zeon's join the AEUG to fight the tyrant Titans. Bright clearly disagreed with them.

[Techrobo]

A lot of Feds & even a few Zeon's join the AEUG to fight the tyrant Titans. Bright clearly disagreed with them.
I always got the impression that the AEUG rank and file was mostly composed of former Zeon personnel. I came to this conclusion for several reasons, including close links with Anaheim and AEUG's predominantly spacenoid roster. Of course, they could be feddy spacenoids, but I always assumed they were mostly Zeon or nuetral (mostly Lunar, possibly Side 6) backgrounds. The fact that the first AEUG member you see in the show are former Zeon may also have influenced this view. In any case, I always simply assumed fewer feds would join, considering their past loyalties (whereas Zeon loyalties had not been a signifcant factor in the Earth Sphere since the close of UC 0083, and would not be until Axis' arrival). In any case, I have no knowledge as to the actual canonical take on this...

[ShmooZeroOmega]

I always got the impression that the AEUG rank and file was mostly composed of former Zeon personnel. I came to this conclusion for several reasons, including close links with Anaheim and AEUG's predominantly spacenoid roster. Of course, they could be feddy spacenoids, but I always assumed they were mostly Zeon or nuetral (mostly Lunar, possibly Side 6) backgrounds. The fact that the first AEUG member you see in the show are former Zeon may also have influenced this view. In any case, I always simply assumed fewer feds would join, considering their past loyalties (whereas Zeon loyalties had not been a signifcant factor in the Earth Sphere since the close of UC 0083, and would not be until Axis' arrival). In any case, I have no knowledge as to the actual canonical take on this...

Actually, there are more Earth Federation personnel in the AEUG's army. Technically, the only ones that were positively identified as former Zeons are Char and his buddies Roberto and Apolly. The fact that most of the AEUG's hardware is stolen GM II's and Salamises (Salami?) only further suggests this. The reason why the MS have a more Zeon look (like in the case of the Rick Dias) is because the AUEG's technical division, Anaheim Electronics, had a large number of Zeon technicians on board. Of course, that's not to say that there were several non-Zabi-ist Zeon aces tossed in with the Feddie pilots, but they're probobly not as numerous as you think.

[Levon]

The reason I assumed there would be less Zeon is because the Zeon at Axis, they wouldn't leave the Zeon. I mean the Zeon is against the Titans anyway, the Feds arn't so it makes more sense that more former Feds would join a new group like AEUG. They wouldn't join the Zeon:lol: I think Char, Roberto and Apolly had their reasons. I'm hoping it will be explained in detail in Char's Deleted Affair.


About Rosamia, shes from Australia. Which is where the colony dropped. So that memory is real, same with having a brother. The Titans however twisted those real memories.
That picture, it could be real & her brother looked like Camille.

[Dr. Nick]

About Rosamia, shes from Australia. Which is where the colony dropped. So that memory is real, same with having a brother. The Titans however twisted those real memories.
That picture, it could be real & her brother looked like Camille.

Australia makes sense, but how come Fa found those photos in a house in the residential sector of Axis?

[Levon]

Rosamia must have been living there. I can't really remember that scene though.

[BrendantheJedi]

In response to question number 2, I was under the impression that they were Disected so they could get as much info the movable frame technology as possible. That was the reason an arm missing on the one Camille killed his father in.

[Techrobo]

In response to question number 2, I was under the impression that they were Disected so they could get as much info the movable frame technology as possible. That was the reason an arm missing on the one Camille killed his father in.
Exactly, they were taken apart for R&D purposes. The movable frame would be one of many advances gained from it, but certainly not the only one.

[Dr. Nick]

Rosamia must have been living there. I can't really remember that scene though.

I don't see how she could have been living in Axis... After she lost her parents, wasn't she put into an orphanage from which the Titans later picked her as a test subject? Besides, somebody had just left the house with the photos in a great hurry; even the spilt coffee was still dripping! There's something very fishy going on here.

My theory: one of Rosamia's family members, most likely her brother, actually survived the colony drop, but never learnt that she was alive as well. Think about the implications: if Rosamia had arrived to Axis a bit earlier, she could have actually met her real brother!

Do you think this is plausible at all, or am I out of my mind?

[Prons]

To learn more aobut Rosamia, you should read the "Sayonara!" one shot manga, scanlated by the one, the only, Shin-Getter Scanlation!

[Magami No ER]

If she definatly knew her youngest brother died, then perhaps she remembers escaping with her older younger brother...but how do you discern what's real in her mind and what was tampered with?
I wish more was given on how much meddling went on to make her a cyber newtype, Tomino explained what was tampered with in Four's mind for the most part, but how cannon that is to the anime series, I'm not sure.
Perhaps the Zeta novels shed more light of her backstory, I've heard that dispite being much darker in nature, they stick with the plot more then the first Gundam novel(s)
Only person english I've seen online who's read them was some dude on the Madman forums...they'll probabaly never be translated into english. -.-

[Amuro]

I think this is merely one of the scenes that Wing-bashers ought to recall when they go to say, "Wing makes no sense, Zeta is perfect."

Is there some explanation for the scene? Probably. And the same is true of most scenes is any other series that have no readily apparent explanation.

[Dr. Nick]

Perhaps the Zeta novels shed more light of her backstory, I've heard that dispite being much darker in nature, they stick with the plot more then the first Gundam novel(s)

How is it possible for Zeta to be "darker"? :lol: Do they kill off some more characters, perhaps? Or something even more disgusting and vile... (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/random%20anime/snapshot20968651004120.jpg)

I think this is merely one of the scenes that Wing-bashers ought to recall when they go to say, "Wing makes no sense, Zeta is perfect."
Well, I admit Zeta's story was not told in the most coherent manner possible, but I don't believe these details are totally random airtime filler either. Animating every single frame costs money, after all.

Haven't seen Wing yet... But it's on my list. :ph34r:

Another question: Who the hell are Shinta and Qum, and why did Char bring them to Argama?

[Soluzar]

Is there some explanation for the scene? Probably. And the same is true of most scenes is any other series that have no readily apparent explanation.

The difference that you refuse to see is right there in your own words.

[Levon]

I think this is merely one of the scenes that Wing-bashers ought to recall when they go to say, "Wing makes no sense, Zeta is perfect."


Who ever said Zeta was perfect? No anime is perfect, none.

Wing is FULL of flaws, & not a few tiny seen in all anime(like Zeta).

[MagicianCamille]

Who ever said Zeta was perfect?

Uhmm, I did... :uhh:


No anime is perfect, none.

B-b-b-but...Zeta... :(

[Solid-Snake]

Another question: Who the hell are Shinta and Qum, and why did Char bring them to Argama?
The orphans I do believe.

I'm probably mistakin'.

As to why he took them there? It's somewhat in my memory. But it's been too long since I've seen Zeta.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Weren't they related to taken care of by Blex before the Titans got him?

[Vaikyuko]

Weren't they related to taken care of by Blex before the Titans got him?

You know, this was mentioned on Mecha Talk, but apparently there was something that disproved this or something. I dunno. If I find the topic when I lurk around there, I'll link it for some cross-referencing.