Chapter 315 *spoilers* [Archive]

Hika

July 13th, 2006, 08:15 AM

Interesting and informative chapter. Naruto's element is wind. He'll be using his kage bunchins to 'cheat' his way through training (good ol' Naruto!) and learn something in a week that would ordinarily take 20 years.

Not much to say about this chapter other than we learned something new.

I do wonder though why they didn't bother to find out his element before now. That might have been handy.

ffl

July 13th, 2006, 09:12 AM

Well... it seemed pretty obvious to me why they didn't figure this out before... Kishimoto just decided to use that idea just now.:P Same goes for the Kage Bunshin explanation.

Kage Bunshin was a given though. I just can't imagine Naruto doing anything without the use of Kage Bunshin. It's like a fifth limb for him, or a tail, it's just become second nature. Although, I didn't think that Kishimoto would make Kage Bunshin turn out like that...

Hehe, I'm sure that Togashi probably influenced Kishimoto's decision to use that method of testing for elements.^_^

And the new jutsu...? I think it'll be flight. Rasengan-powered flight, maybe.

Hm, something strange though... you would think that Naruto would have more chakra if he had Kyuubi's chakra to aid him... but it's turning out to be the opposite. Maybe it's because the majority of Naruto's chakra goes to suppressing and controlling the Kyuubi's infinite and corrosive chakra.

Anyway, it was a nice and entertaining chapter.^_^

gameoffreak8

July 13th, 2006, 10:28 AM

So, Naruto's element is wind, eh. Interesting chapter.

Hara!

July 13th, 2006, 10:57 AM

I wonder how he feels wasting 3 years of his life like that...

DarkDestiny

July 13th, 2006, 11:04 AM

Yay! A coherent chapter! Although it's great and all that he is training, I hope the other characters are doing something to help out as well...

abomination

July 13th, 2006, 01:59 PM

Decent informative chapter. Not much but atleast something new was learnt.
Naruto having a wind element chakra makes sense seeing as how he learnt the Rasengan relatively fast and the Rasengan is pretty much wind based.
But isn't the Kyuubi fire based himself? In the mythology of the 9 legendary beasts, each bijuu is associated with an element, and the Kyuubi is associated with fire.

Shukaku is associated with wind and earth ( well sand to get technical ). Nekotama- darkness,evil,death, etc. Isonade ( a shark )- water. Souko- poison . Houko ( a god of illusion ) can do all 5 elements, one for each tail. Raijuu- lighting ( duh ) and fire. Kaku- earth. Yamato no Orochi- same as Nekotama, and the Kyuubi - fire . And since the Kyuubi's chakra is molding with Naruto's own chakra, shouldn't he be wind and fire ? Atleast that's my thinking anyways.

Jinto117

July 13th, 2006, 02:44 PM

A very good chapter in my opinion. Very informative and that's how I like it. For a moment there I thought Naruto would have some other element besides just wind. Perhaps he'll have another major element besides the wind in the future.

venom112

July 13th, 2006, 02:47 PM

Finally they actually explained stuff. They didn't quite get at the technique Kakashi was talking about, but no "hey suspense!" moments, thankfully.

Turns out Naruto's kage bushins operate in a similar fashion to Maddox's powers, only the clones actually have to reconnect to Maddox's body. That and you can tell that Kishimoto pretty much just made that up on the spot, which would explain some of the absurdity behind decreasing training time.

Also, I know Naruto is really slow and has a hard time with explanations, but its true purpose wasn't covered up very well, and thus was slow and painful in itself. Its true purpose being to explain to the audience in deep and intricate detail how the kage bushins work. Likely the younger audience too, not that that is bad, it just further explains the overexplanation. Oh how Hitchcock would hate this style of writing.

I wonder how he feels wasting 3 years of his life like that...
Naruto: Interesting you should ask. I don't care really, because think about it. If I didn't take so long to train, we'd have a huge amount of time to gather ol' Sasuke back, and he wouldn't be nearly as much of a challenge! That and... Kakashi is a bastard.

The greatest thing about this though? He can theoritically outperform Orochimaru in jutsu variety if he just gets the right information and is willing to do enough.

Miroku

July 13th, 2006, 03:43 PM

I was starting to get worried about "THAT TRAINING," thank goodness it's nothing like;

Kakashi- Ok Naruto, this training involves you turning your head and coughing.

Naruto- Are you sure this wasn't a training method you used for Sasuke?

Kakashi- How'd you guess?

SonRyu

July 13th, 2006, 04:40 PM

Even though I also feel that Kishimoto just made up this 5 element and learning from clones thing (as well as last chapters 12 guardian thing), I really like getting this kind of info. Good chapter.

Denisa

July 13th, 2006, 04:46 PM

I am pretty sure Naruto will use more elements beside wind. This was just the start. Gaara used both wind and earth. Sasuke used both fire and lightning. It seems natural that Naruto will use more. Fire seems more likely.

How will he use wind? Even though it was only in the anime, Tenten was able to spin around like a tornado and hang in mid air while she attacked with her weapons. Based on what she does, I would say Tenten also uses the wind element. Now someone with Naruto's chakra could probably fly and move at great speeds like that. Like the Tazmanian Devil. And people say Tenten isn't important.

Since this chapter only concentrated on the training, I feel next week's will only show what Hidan and the money guy are up too. Probably some more Asuma, with a dash of Sai and Sakura, and maybe where Shikamaru went to. I still think it has something to do with Temari. :naughty:

Cow

July 13th, 2006, 04:50 PM

Great chapter very imformative.

Even though I also feel that Kishimoto just made up this 5 element and learning from clones thing (as well as last chapters 12 guardian thing), I really like getting this kind of info. Good chapter.
The 12 guardians I can see, that kinda poped out of no where but it certainley add's to the Asuma and his story.

I also agree that the elements came out of no where.

ffl

July 13th, 2006, 05:35 PM

For those who've watched or read Hunter x Hunter, you can easily see the connection.^_^

He did do a butt-pulling for that Kage Bunshin explanation, but it is appreciated to have SOME sort of more thorough explanation for it now... even if we probably aren't supposed to relate it to Naruto's previous uses of Kage Bunshin.:P Oh well. It does help to explain Naruto's rapid growth after acquiring Kage Bunshin.

Jinto117

July 13th, 2006, 06:42 PM

Well since Naruto's element seems to be wind at this point one can only assume that the Yondaime's element was lightning just like Kakashi. "Konoha's Yellow Flash" indeed.

max_powers

July 13th, 2006, 06:52 PM

damn, two previous theories shot down. And i thought the paper would do wonky things, like be half, charred, wet, crumply, AND disintegrrated. If...thats even physically possible... Well, whatev. And I agree that he'll DEFINITELY use other elements. Like Kakashi', whom we've seen use water, earth, fire, and lightning (aided by sharingan, of course.)

Punnchy

July 13th, 2006, 09:57 PM

I wonder how he feels wasting 3 years of his life like that...
Maybe its one of those flukes in relevence to his abilty to use his chakra and the keeping of it in control. He didn't have the 3 tails form before the time jump, which is something he gained while with Jiriyama.

Hika

July 14th, 2006, 12:05 AM

Well... it seemed pretty obvious to me why they didn't figure this out before... Kishimoto just decided to use that idea just now.:P Same goes for the Kage Bunshin explanation.

^_^

Yeah, that was my point! Kishi's just exposed a pretty big writing snag there and although I liked the chapter, to me, that just took away a little from the credibility of both chapter and writing. It was like, oh, so he really does make this stuff up on the spot, with little regard to what has gone on before. Well, just confirming what we already knew, I 'spose! :P

u_nick

July 14th, 2006, 05:21 AM

I like to think of it something along the lines of blaming Kakashi's explanation that he wasn't able to do it because his chakra wouldn't be able to handle it. So they just never thought of doing it with Naruto. Maybe Kakashi and Yamato sat down and had a little meeting together about Kyuubi, how much chakra Kyuubi has, and controlling it. So maybe the two of them came up with this little plan, so that they both could be there, and open up the seal on Kyuubi VERY carefully, and bringing out lots of Chakra to be able to do it.

ffl

July 14th, 2006, 08:35 AM

I think you're making it too complicated.

From both Naruto and Kakashi saying, "I guess I never thought about it until now...," to me, that told me that Kishimoto was making that up on the spot. It's an interesting take, but quite evident that you really shouldn't put too much more thought into it. You can try to connect past events with this and all of that, but that would just be you filling in the holes. There still wouldn't be anything canon showing examples from previous Naruto events.:)

Hika

July 14th, 2006, 10:47 AM

*chuckles at ffl's comment* Now ffl, Naruto fans making Naruto complicated? Noooo...I don't believe it! Could never happen. :D

ffl

July 14th, 2006, 01:43 PM

Hey... you aren't implying that Naruto fans aren't smart enough to think of cool stuff for Naruto, now are you?:P

Hika

July 14th, 2006, 02:14 PM

No! I was being sarcastic about Naruto fans making stuff complicated - because they are *always* making stuff complicated! Naruto fans simply cannot take what is given to them and accept it. Nup. The have to go and theorise and analyse and hypothesise every little syllable!! Hah! Kinda makes it fun and annoying at the same time.

Jinto117

July 14th, 2006, 03:05 PM

Naruto fans are nowhere near as zany as the Eva fan's. Those guys go so far as to make pie charts!

SUPE12MAN23

July 15th, 2006, 12:27 AM

Maybe narutos new jutsu is like the kameha-kameha wave in a way since his element is wind, maybe use wind to throw the rasengan really really fast at other people lol

Hika

July 15th, 2006, 01:32 AM

Naruto fans are nowhere near as zany as the Eva fan's. Those guys go so far as to make pie charts!

No way! That's insane! haha!! I am sure that someone, somewhere has made a pie chart for Naruto!

Punnchy

July 15th, 2006, 07:42 AM

Maybe narutos new jutsu is like the kameha-kameha wave in a way since his element is wind, maybe use wind to throw the rasengan really really fast at other people lol
Naruto playing baseball? What is this FLCL?

crow-kun

July 15th, 2006, 09:15 AM

Did anyone else think that the Element thing was like a watered down version of the explaination on Nen for HXH?

Also did anyone find the irony in the fact that Sasuke = Raijin and Naruto = Fujin?

blackknight

July 15th, 2006, 03:14 PM

Strange chapter. Kishi's clearly making sh*t up as he goes now.

With the whole "Kage Bunshin's give you everything they learn" thing, one could theorize that it could eventually become a substitute Sharingan. Think about it, if you see the same technique a few hundred times eventually you're going to figure it out, even if you're as thick as Naruto.

damn, two previous theories shot down. And i thought the paper would do wonky things, like be half, charred, wet, crumply, AND disintegrrated. If...thats even physically possible...

I was waiting for that, too. Confuse the hell out of everyone, that's the ticket.

With the translation that I read, I had this brief moment of annoyance because the translator put a page that basically said, "I just lost my job so I have no money," before the end of the chapter, making me think the chapter ended on another damned cliff-hanger. THE BASTARD!

ffl

July 15th, 2006, 03:44 PM

Read good translations.

Hara!

July 15th, 2006, 03:50 PM

Itachi = Kyuubi
Kisame = Isonade

Naruto needs a wind biju.

blackknight

July 15th, 2006, 03:58 PM

Read good translations.
I would, if I could find any.

This was also a low quality translation, and the site usually gets a better one after a few days. Hopefully they will this time, too.

Denisa

July 15th, 2006, 04:54 PM

Itachi = Kyuubi
Kisame = Isonade

Naruto needs a wind biju.

The wind biju was Gaara's Shukaku. Kyuubi has a fire element. That's why at worst, Naruto will be albe to combine wind and fire. I still think he will get all the elements.

Mikadzuki Tatsu

July 15th, 2006, 06:05 PM

(And once again, I fall behind everyone else...) Even if Kishimoto suddenly made up everything about the five different chakra with which one can have an affinity, rather than having this sort of explanation in mind for a period of time, it's still a good explanation, and provides an interesting aspect of the abilities of the ninja.

I expected Naruto would have an affinity with all the elements, so I was a bit taken aback that his paper only split in half--proving that he has an affinity with the wind element--rather than spantaneously combusting or something that would've left everyone wide-eyed and dumbfounded. But maybe he does have an affinity with all the elements--or at least more than one element--and wind is the one that's the most dominant?

But what's with this whole thing of one receiving the knowledge and abilities learned by one's kage bunshin? Naruto may not be the smartest kid around, but I think he would've noticed before if his kage bunshin started sharing knowledge with him--that is, if he's used his kage bunshin in a situation where they would've learned something when he wasn't present. (Was there ever such a situation?) I think it's safe to say Kishimoto pulled that one out of his hat, but I think I'll let him get away with it this time.

Dan

July 15th, 2006, 08:25 PM

ffl

July 15th, 2006, 11:26 PM

Yeah, Rasengan is not an elemental type. It's just chakra being spun wildly and condensed into a small area.

Dan

July 16th, 2006, 12:07 AM

Im glad a lot of people are also a little... well not angry, but... critical of the "making up on the spot"-edness of this chapter. I liked it a lot, and it was certainly more interesting than the recent "Hey these two guys are going to kill some more people, but we wont tell you how!".

I also kind of liked the not earth shattering wind element revelation. Although I though it was going to do nothing or grow or something amazing, but still simple can be best.

ffl

July 16th, 2006, 10:07 AM

Yeah, it would've been too cliche if Naruto just SUDDENLY surprised Kakashi and Yamato with some amazing new paper reaction.:O Just having him end up with one of the five elements is good, and actually unexpected.:) Most would probably consider him to be fire, when taking the Kyuubi into consideration.

Jinto117

July 16th, 2006, 11:49 AM

I guess Naruto and Gaara can team up and use their elements to blow sand in peoples eyes. Take that Akatsuki! :lol:

ffl

July 16th, 2006, 07:15 PM

Gaara's element doesn't seem to be Wind.

Jinto117

July 17th, 2006, 01:38 PM

Gaara's element doesn't seem to be Wind.

Always there to put me down aren't ya pal? :crybaby:

max_powers

July 17th, 2006, 07:43 PM

Most would probably consider him to be fire, when taking the Kyuubi into consideration.
U know what, I overlooked one of the most obvious signals given with regards to this paper thing. Although it IS pretty damn obvious, and it MAY have already struck u guys, I'm gonna mention it anyways since no one else has.

The paper reacts to chakra. Naruto used his OWN chakra. Paper split. Simple.
BUT, what will we get when Naruto unleashes his Kyuubi Chakra?! That's what Kishi is holding out on, and that's what's gonna be the big shocker. The simplest answer is that it would show traits of fire (combust) but this paper stuff hasn't been done on KYUUBI chakra before, now has it?

I'll leave you to your thoughts, and here's to hoping third-prediction's a charm.

(Unless Kishi checks this forum... <_<)

Quattro Ninja

July 17th, 2006, 11:44 PM

U know what, I overlooked one of the most obvious signals given with regards to this paper thing. Although it IS pretty damn obvious, and it MAY have already struck u guys, I'm gonna mention it anyways since no one else has.

The paper reacts to chakra. Naruto used his OWN chakra. Paper split. Simple.
BUT, what will we get when Naruto unleashes his Kyuubi Chakra?! That's what Kishi is holding out on, and that's what's gonna be the big shocker. The simplest answer is that it would show traits of fire (combust) but this paper stuff hasn't been done on KYUUBI chakra before, now has it?

I'll leave you to your thoughts, and here's to hoping third-prediction's a charm.

(Unless Kishi checks this forum... <_<)

'cept Naruto is done using the kyuubi chakra.

MightyDustLoop

July 18th, 2006, 12:46 AM

Water would have at least made sense. Then it would have been an affinity gained by keeping the fire chakra of Kyuubi in check. Guess Kishi plans to combine them. Flaming tornado. This elemental crap is so stupid.

ffl

July 18th, 2006, 08:37 AM

They've always used that "elemental crap"...:|

We've seen too many suiton users in Naruto. Having Naruto become a fuuton user will be nice since it's that and Raiton which are the least used elemental types in Naruto.

abomination

July 18th, 2006, 12:25 PM

I was doing some reading and it seems Kishimoto isn't just making stuff up with
the element stuff, or he's going with a theme of sorts it seems.

Uzumaki Naruto. Uzumaki refers to 'whirlpool', or another three dimensional vortex. It's also a sorts of pun to a spiral. A more accurate translation of spiral would be 'rasen'.
Naruto can mean 'maelstrom' ( if you don't know what that is, it's more so referenced along the lines of a circular current of water caused by the wind or conflicting tides ( a whirlpool ) and can be sometimes referenced to a giant storm with a lot a wind and giant waves at sea. ), and is also the name of a thing you put in soup and ramen that has a spiral or swirl on it (which most probably already know that).
Rasengan roughly means 'Spiraling Sphere'.

The Uchiha name comes from another way of pronouncing Uchiwa which means 'fan', a fan that can be used to fan a flame to make them bigger and hotter. (didn't Sasuke's father tell him something about the reason why a fan is the Uchiha clan crest. something about fanning a fire of the village or something like that).That also goes along with them being a clan of Katon users. Uchiwa also can mean family circle. The second kanji in 'family circle' means wheel, and is also the second kanji in Sharingan.

Naruto being a wind element may still be in combination with his wind and/or spiraling theme( most probably have already noticed naruto and his afiliation to spirals and swirls ). The Rasengan , even though not a Futon element jutsu, it's similarity to one is sortof uncanny. Rasengan is a technique that alters the shape of chakra, not it's nature ( unlike the Uchiha's who take chakra into their stomachs or whatever, alter it's nature and breath it out as fire ). It's shape is similar to a vortex, or whirlpool, or as it's name sugests, a spiraling sphere.

The Uchiha's with the fan crest and Katon jutsu's is pretty well obvious.

So it's seems, in relation to their names and chakra elements, Kishimoto is just following a theme it seems (to me atleast) with Sasuke and Naruto.

Jinto117

July 18th, 2006, 01:54 PM

^ Very true. But the Kage Bunshin thing still seems made up.

Mikadzuki Tatsu

July 18th, 2006, 03:16 PM

The paper reacts to chakra. Naruto used his OWN chakra. Paper split. Simple.
BUT, what will we get when Naruto unleashes his Kyuubi Chakra?! That's what Kishi is holding out on, and that's what's gonna be the big shocker. The simplest answer is that it would show traits of fire (combust) but this paper stuff hasn't been done on KYUUBI chakra before, now has it?
You know, you made a very good point. Naruto tested his own chakra, not the kyuubi's chakra. If his name has anything to do with his powers (uzumaki does mean "whirlpool; eddy"), then it might not be all that surprising that he would be affiliated with the wind or water elements. After all, uchiwa does mean "fan," and 'Uchiha' could be another way of pronouncing 'Uchiwa.' The Uchiha clan's emblem is a fan. They're mainly affiliated with the fire element. It all makes sense, doesn't it?

Normally, when Naruto unleashes an incredible jutsu, he is borrowing some of the kyuubi's chakra. Now, we don't know with what element the kyuubi's chakra is affiliated. It could be fire...or it could be a combination of any of the elements...or a combination of all five. We don't know.

^ Very true. But the Kage Bunshin thing still seems made up.
It might be, but I think Kishimoto can be excused for coming up with something on a sudden whim like that, at least in this case. At least he came up with some explanation as to how Naruto is going to develop a jutsu that'll outpower Sasuke, within six months, when, as Kakashi pointed out, it normally takes a ninja years to learn an uber-powerful jutsu.

abomination

July 18th, 2006, 03:25 PM

^ Very true. But the Kage Bunshin thing still seems made up.
Yeah, that one seems like it was made up on the spot and slightly elaborated upon very quickly so Naruto, and only Naruto, could get super-ultra-magnamimously powerful in a relatively short time frame (ala the hyperbolic time chamber in DBZ ), but that kind of stuff is pretty much common in all shonen stuff so it really shouldn't come at that much of a surprise that Kishi would do something like that. I would be more surprised if he didn't eventually do it.

Punnchy

July 18th, 2006, 04:48 PM

^ Very true. But the Kage Bunshin thing still seems made up.
Not necissarily, look at the team work displayed by naruto's clones when battleing different enemys.

Jinto117

July 18th, 2006, 07:05 PM

Not necissarily, look at the team work displayed by naruto's clones when battleing different enemys.

I see that they display team work but what does that have to do with the newly announced ability to learn what your clones have done?

Naster

July 18th, 2006, 07:44 PM

i honestly don't think the kage bunshin thing was made up on a whim. i mean the whole purpose of the technique, as noted extremely early in the manga, was to observe opponents and exploit their weakness. what would be the point in having an observing technique like this if none of the information of the enemy is relayed back to the user? have we once seen the clones be absorbed back into naruto? no, they always go with a "poof" . who is to say that whenever he dispells the technique no information is brought back to him, or.. in other cases, if the technique is dispelled for him that info never went back to him? the bunshin ARE his chakra, so wouldn't it return to naruto after being exhausted?

anywho i doubt the training will only consist of naruto learning a new jutsu. he is extremely outclassed in speed by sasuke. i would also like to point out that naruto has 2x kakashi's chakra pool without kyuubi. kakashi is considered to be one of the upper tier ninja in konoha... does anyone see the title of hokage being thrown at naruto sometime in the near future?

DarkNataku

July 18th, 2006, 08:24 PM

what about naruto using weights like lee. that would help him in speed. and about the info shared by the clones. well in episode 4 or 5 when he was doing the bell test and he use the technique on kakashi and ended up beating himself he only had a couple of scratches and bumps but when he dispelled it he had more.

Punnchy

July 19th, 2006, 02:23 AM

I see that they display team work but what does that have to do with the newly announced ability to learn what your clones have done?
When clones 1-38 are getting thier ***** handed to them, clones 39-300 are chaning thier tactics so as to possibly land a blow on the opponent. I would think that not all clones could see the opponent at once and thusly whould have to have some special trick to know what was going on before meeting thier fate.

abomination

July 19th, 2006, 01:57 PM

I was thinking, is Yamato's wood clone similar to a shadow clone ? If a water clone is similar to how a shadow clones works, wouldn't Yamato's wood bunshin be the same ? Remember how yamato and his wood clone were pretty much insync with each other. Yamato knew whatever his wood clone was doing or seeing. That could be the reason Yamato is helping with this training, not only to help with the surpression and control of the Kyuubi's chakra, but to also aid in the clone training senario seeing as how he's probably more knowledgeable in their workings. So this bunshin training thing might not have come up from out of the blue, or I could be entirely wrong on all of it.

DarkNataku

July 19th, 2006, 03:09 PM

well seeing as kishi is a db fan. it might be like when piccolo trains by making a clone and training that way. but naruto can do more. and piccolo also knew what his clone was going to do.

ffl

July 20th, 2006, 08:46 AM

Yamato and his clone were communicating with a two-way communicator. His clone seemed to act on its own.

max_powers

July 20th, 2006, 04:13 PM

and the shadow clone isn't the same as water or wood clones. Its the only one that yanks the chakra out of the user and evenly distributes it among the clones. Also, the other clones can't perform ninjutsu like shadow clones can. Its special.

ffl

July 20th, 2006, 06:33 PM

No. Yamato's mokubunshin performed jutsu on its own, as did Kisame's mizubunshin. Kage Bunshin seems to take more from the user though, but it contains more power than the other bunshin, as far as we know.

max_powers

July 20th, 2006, 06:58 PM

did they? I seriously don't remember. Any particular moment you'd like to point out? Maybe I can remember then.

abomination

July 21st, 2006, 11:16 AM

Yamato and his clone were communicating with a two-way communicator. His clone seemed to act on its own.
Yeah, you're right. I went back and re-read those chapters in a different translation and he does outright say that . Funny how that the translation I read at the time said nothing aout a 2-way com. My mistake, so dismiss all what was written about that.

Kage Bunshins divide the chakra evenly throughout the clones. They even have the flowing chakra circuit running through them. That's why Kage Bunshins can perform ninjutsu. Yamato's Moku Bunshin must be similar since it too can use ninjutsu ( the only time it does is to create a concaved shield to shield itself against a shockwave created by Kyuubi induced Naruto ). Mizu bunshins strength are only like 1/10 of it's creator so in that it's weaker than a Kage Bunshin. I can't remember off hand when a Mizu Bunshin does anything other than just attack with a weapon. If I remember right, Zabuza's just use his sword to attack,Kakashi's does the same, Itachi's just attack Kakashi and explode, and Kisame's I can't really recal. I would have to reread his fights to see.