Final Fantasy XII - North American Date, Collector's Edition announced

[Rahxephon91]

http://www.gaming-age.com/news/2006/6/28-53

Looks like I wont be trick or treating.

[_jwb388_]

Collectors edition will make people crazy just to spend $30 for just the dvd on e-bay just like the advent children bonus disc.

[germanturkey]

meh... SE for me.. :P

[gameoffreak8]

I will buy that. I am Final Fantasy fan at all.

[HitokiriShadow]

I'll be getting the Special Edition. I'm such an FF fanboy...

...crap. It's only at EB and Gamestop. I reserved mine at GameCrazy.

[Solid_Snake]

Do you think they carry the DVDs yet?

I'm so hitting this.

[HitokiriShadow]

This is a special edition, not a pre-order bonus. The SE is $10 more. The DVD will be packaged with the game.

[Loopy]

The only thing that interests me is the art gallery and that can easily be found on teh intarweb, unless its a book or something. That will easily seal the deal for me.

[gameoffreak8]

I'll be getting the Special Edition. I'm such an FF fanboy...

...crap. It's only at EB and Gamestop. I reserved mine at GameCrazy.
Can you cancel that?

I am always reserve at Gamestop.

[SonRyu]

Blech... I had preordered FFXII over a year ago at my local EB, but now I have to go and exchange that preorder for the LE version before it's too late, otherwise I'll be stuck with the regular version...

[Mercenary]

The special version has nothing to offer. Just a bunch of junk I couldn't care less about, like basically what you get with dvd movies when you buy em.

Normal version for me for sure.

[HitokiriShadow]

Can you cancel that?

I am always reserve at Gamestop.

Yes, and I will probably do that.

[Rahxephon91]

I buy 360 titles at full price so if I have the money, I'll buy the SE. If not I'll just settle for the regular

Truth be told if the tin clashes with my shelf, I'll be a little angry. I'm anal about that stuff.

[NGT]

It's only 10 bucks more why not?

[Mercenary]

If it offered something interesting, whether it was a poster, art book, figure, whatever then maybe, although those don't interest me much either. I think the only SE item that'd make me get it is if it altered the game, like added a special battle or something.

[Sendo Takeshi]

The added extras sound OK. But not better than the 3S package that was released in Japan about two years ago. The extra DVD had some tournament footage from Super Battle Opera. One of the best SE's ever. Then there was the Hyper Street Fighter 2 SE which contained a History of Street Fighter DVD.

I'll probably get that FF12 SE.

[Tidusauron12]

The added extras sound OK. But not better than the 3S package that was released in Japan about two years ago. The extra DVD had some tournament footage from Super Battle Opera. One of the best SE's ever. Then there was the Hyper Street Fighter 2 SE which contained a History of Street Fighter DVD.

I'll probably get that FF12 SE.


Me too.

I though the Hyper Street Fighter 2 SE was the sweetest.

[_jwb388_]

Pre-ordered se yesterday. I'm a sucker for extras.

[Rahxephon91]

FFXII website goes live with new trailer.
http://www.finalfantasyxii.com/
It's almost here!

[Zeta26]

I might also think of getting the FFXII: SE. Because since we didn't get those extras when FFX released in the U.S

[soulreaper]

Just pre-ordered my FFXII: SE. I don't really care if the extras aren't too great; $10 isn't a whole lot of money.

[MightyDustLoop]

The item will probably be massively produced and practically worthless in any additional value. I'm thinking it will be akin to the Halo 2 LE.

But to be perfectly honest, I love my little Halo 2 tin, so at an extra $10, why not? A decent chance the packaging will be prettier and there'll be something in there that might actually occupy me for a couple minutes, not to mention some chance no doubt exists that it may be a collector's item one day (even if I am thinking slim to none). I got $10 to blow, so it can't hurt.

[Rahxephon91]

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b244/Grivenger/ffxii_casedetail.jpg
Now thats a nice cover!

[Loopy]

I just had a nerdgasm.

[_jwb388_]

I don't like the art where the discs are. The guy should be standing directly behind her, but I'm glad I pre-ordered.

[Rahxephon91]

I don't like the art where the discs are. The guy should be standing directly behind her, but I'm glad I pre-ordered.
Actually the person sitting down is a guy. Larsa is the first male in any anime or game that has confused me. And why should Vayne be behind him? He looks menacing which is fitting since he's the bad guy.

[kenshinbebop]

SE for me as well. Just because. :lol:

Can't wait....is XII a two-disc game?(Sorry if this is painfully known by everyone, haven't really read up on XII)

[Rahxephon91]

SE for me as well. Just because. :lol:

Can't wait....is XII a two-disc game?(Sorry if this is painfully known by everyone, haven't really read up on XII)
No the other disc has special features.

[HitokiriShadow]

Initially I was going to just get the regular edition since I had already pre-ordered it somewhere that wasn't getting the SE, but I caved about a week ago and pre-ordered the SE at Gamestop.

[Zeta26]

SE for me as well. Just because. :lol:

Can't wait....is XII a two-disc game?(Sorry if this is painfully known by everyone, haven't really read up on XII)

No, it will be like when fans got the Collector's Edition of Halo 2. Which they got the normal game and the special features DVD.

[Rahxephon91]

This is funny. Anything to do with FFXII must be cursed to be delayed. The official website was supposed to be launched 2 days ago.

[_jwb388_]

What about the guide?

[Rahxephon91]

What about the guide?
Well there are 2 versions.

http://www.ebgames.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=831904
http://www.ebgames.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=831903

They come out 10/24/06

[_jwb388_]

I meant they didn't get pushed back...yet.

[Rahxephon91]

I meant they didn't get pushed back...yet.
Oh!

It would be funny if they come out 2 weeks after the game.

[_jwb388_]

I think that's what happened with the Radiat Stories Guide.

[HitokiriShadow]

I'll probably end up getting the LE guide. I'm such a sucker for those things.

[_jwb388_]

I'll probably end up getting the LE guide. I'm such a sucker for those things.

Same for me, I just hope it doesn't dissapoint like the KH2 one. I know I will get one of the guides because I have a guide for all my FF games.

[Rahxephon91]

http://www.finalfantasyxii.com/

Its up and carries the english trailer.

[_jwb388_]

This game better be worth the wait.

[seba_boi]

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b244/Grivenger/ffxii_casedetail.jpg
Now thats a nice cover!
Damn, is that for real?... That's an awesome packaging!...

[gameoffreak8]

I'll might getting LE guide.

[_jwb388_]

I'll might getting LE guide.
You drunk?

I just replayed the demo today and I hope they have animations for opening treasure chests.

[gameoffreak8]

You drunk?

I just replayed the demo today and I hope they have animations for opening treasure chests.

I mean I'll might getting it. If FF XII have tons of mini-games, of course.

[Rahxephon91]

Normal US box art
http://www.gamestop.com/common/images/lbox/281437b.jpg

I really wanted this..
http://i1.tinypic.com/nd0577.jpg

[_jwb388_]

The normal one looks awseome.

[HitokiriShadow]

Normal US box art
http://www.gamestop.com/common/images/lbox/281437b.jpg

I really wanted this..
http://i1.tinypic.com/nd0577.jpg

The first one looks nice, but its missing the traditional "mark" that each game has (which for this one would probably be the judge taking up the entire Japanese cover).

[_jwb388_]

I think the le guide is in this banner http://www.ebgames.com/productmerch.asp?groupid=509

[seba_boi]

The logo for the normal box cover kinda sucks... :(

[Kstyle]

Normal US box art
http://www.gamestop.com/common/images/lbox/281437b.jpg

I really wanted this..
http://i1.tinypic.com/nd0577.jpg

Only Europe and Japan are getting that cover.

[Sendo Takeshi]

For some reason I never understood that with American covers. All the FF Japanese games always had the simplistic covers while we had to get the cinematic covers. I guess its the marketing. They probably figure that no one will pick up the game because no one will know what they're getting. Or maybe its because America likes complicated crap on their covers.

So far the three best covers for any PS2 release in the U.S. have been GT4 and both Katamari games.

[Mercenary]

For some reason I never understood that with American covers. All the FF Japanese games always had the simplistic covers while we had to get the cinematic covers. I guess its the marketing. They probably figure that no one will pick up the game because no one will know what they're getting. Or maybe its because America likes complicated crap on their covers.

So far the three best covers for any PS2 release in the U.S. have been GT4 and both Katamari games.

Marketing. People see box "ooh purdy graphics, I buy"
People see simple box "meh this looks boring"

Even though its the same game. Considering how image obsessed the US is, it makes sense. Japan doesnt tend to care as much.

[Rahxephon91]

FFXII gets a 14 page review from PSM. It gets a 9.5
http://uk.gamespot.com/pages/unions/read_article.php?topic_id=24906204&union_id=4039

[germanturkey]

collectors edition box kicks ***... i really want it now

hmm.. that review is interesting... don't have the energy to post any more thoughts right now

[germanturkey]

btw, if you haven't heard Kiss me Good-bye, the ending song, you can listen to it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ss-oeDGOUA

[Rahxephon91]

I'm so excited for this game that I can recite the english trailer. Man I'm a nerd.

Oh and the U.S. version has wide-screen support.

[Zeta26]

I think you mean this L.E DVD cover

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/2408/281613bjw5.jpg

[Rahxephon91]

I think you mean this L.E DVD cover

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/2408/281613bjw5.jpg
Huh? I already posted that. It's been confirmed by PSM that the US version of the game has wide-screen.

[Zeta26]

Lol. I know that. But some of the posters posted the wrong cover on this page.

[Rahxephon91]

Lol. I know that. But some of the posters posted the wrong cover on this page.
What? Where? We posted the Japanese version and the regular American one.

[Rahxephon91]

Better picture.
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/bigboxshots/1/459841_26658_front.jpg

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/rpg/finalfantasy12/media.html?sid=6156996&autoplay=6156996&tag=recent_updates;title;1
English gameplay vids.

[SuperHiko]

gawd that guy looks so horrible. They better poke fun about his appearance in the game or I will die.

[Rahxephon91]

gawd that guy looks so horrible. They better poke fun about his appearance in the game or I will die.
Who? Van?

Well it is very hot in Dalmasca.

[hatchi chobits]

i can't wait.

[germanturkey]

that cover doesn't say FF to me..

whereas the LE does

[Holy Knight]

I'm pre-ordering!

I'll make this my first game on my new Ps2, to celebrate it.

[CrossboneGundam]

I'm pre-ordering!

I'll make this my first game on my new Ps2, to celebrate it.

Have you played the demo?

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/09/08

[Rahxephon91]

The demo is based on how the game was in 2004. It is not a good repersentation of the game.

[Holy Knight]

Have you played the demo?

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/09/08

No, I haven't played the demo, though I have seen gameplay videos showing it. It doesn't bother me since whatever the game comes out as, it's still Final Fantasy and will be undenyable in its quality. I rarely hate any game I play, so I don't see this one as being a "down the drain" purchase. I've read a few reviews of the game as well and I don't think I'll have anything to hold against it.

One another note, this is the first time in, oh, 4 or 5 years I've been excited like a kid at getting something. I thought I'd gone down the road of "it'll come out eventually, so no reason to go hyper over it", so I find this refreshing in a sense.

[CrossboneGundam]

it's still Final Fantasy and will be undenyable in its quality.

I'd suggest that sounds fanboyish, but that would be an understatement.

(Insert commentary about Mystic Quest, your opinion is not objective fact, etc. here)

[_jwb388_]

FF puts has a lot of effort the games. That's why they are delayed so much, so you can preatty much expect a good or great game when you play it.

[Holy Knight]

I'd suggest that sounds fanboyish, but that would be an understatement.

(Insert commentary about Mystic Quest, your opinion is not objective fact, etc. here)

Well, I am a fan of the Final Fantasy series but not in the sense you probably think. I'm a casual gamer, so I only bought one or two games at most every year, up till three years ago. Now it's maybe one every year and a half. So I tend to gravitate to the tried, true and popular games. that is not to say I don't appreciate less known games, but rather that I do not have the time or available ressources to play them. So I play Final Fantasy because I like it and it has high production quality in the sense that a lot of effort goes into it, like jwb said.

[Rahxephon91]

Spoiler!!!

Someone posted the english intro on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRX3IXDjgQs

Dub sounds good.

[seba_boi]

^
- The entire thing's not really spoiler-rific until the end... All those FMV screencaps I've been seeing have all come from this...

- Looks like Star Wars meets Lord Of The Rings: The Two Towers... Which is pretty meh story so far...

- I still love Akihiko Yoshida's designs... Every single time I see his character designs(except for the main hero of each game), from whatever game they're from, I just fall in love with the characters...

[Bezerker]

Spoiler!!!

Someone posted the english intro on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRX3IXDjgQs

Dub sounds good.

Yep, the game has already leaked online. The beta version but its supposedly near perfect except for some text/dub parts.

[Seraphim]

gawd that guy looks so horrible. They better poke fun about his appearance in the game or I will die.

You think so? I think Tidus was much worse. Though he did grow on me in the end.

[Restless]

When will it be released in Europe???

[predecessor]

I'd suggest that sounds fanboyish, but that would be an understatement.

(Insert commentary about Mystic Quest, your opinion is not objective fact, etc. here)
hey. mystic quest wasn't the best game*understatement* but it gave me a good hour of amusement before i put it down

[Westlo]

FFXII USA version leaked.

[Bezerker]

Game is good so far. My only complaint is the no random battles thing. Its really annoying to have to run accross a whole map after you link 2-3 monsters (just like in Final Fantasy XI)

[HitokiriShadow]

How are you playing it already? Does this "leak" mean its available to download somewhere? I thought that meant some cut scene footage was leaked or something.

[_jwb388_]

Maybe demo or jap version.

[germanturkey]

i'm guessing leaked as in someone either put it on shelves too early or someone ripped the ISO and distributed it...

anyways, 27 days and counting..

[Bezerker]

Some sites say its the developer version, Some say its the full. Im only a few hours into it (and dont have an actual pressing) so i cant really tell. Will hold me off til i pick up my LE version at Gamestop.

[MightyDustLoop]

It's gotta be the version handed out to reviewers at this point in time. Since it affects the ratings, if it's not full, I'd suspect it's pretty damn close.

[Westlo]

I'm playing the leaked version that was handed to reviewers, it's a very polished game and was 4 gig unzipped. From what i've seen, the english dub is very high quality for a video game. Even if you're a complete dub hater you must have serious issues if you can't recognize the leap in quality from X/X-2 to XII.

I don't mind the battle system... but it's (and any other FF to be truthful) really lacking after playing 6 hours of Valkyrie Profile Silmeria. The opening really sets the scene and the music is much better when playing with the game than listening to just the OST.

Licensing looks really interesting, graphics are among the best for the ps2. Berserker were you tempted to hit the "big" one at the start of the desert? lmao.

I do think this will end up like 9 in terms of boxes sold (which is a damn shame to be honest), square missed their chance of a ps2 "8" when they made a MMO.

[Bezerker]

Licensing looks really interesting, graphics are among the best for the ps2. Berserker were you tempted to hit the "big" one at the start of the desert? lmao.

Lmao, yea i did that. I remembered a dinosaur was the boss of the demo so i thought this one was fightable. Thing killed me with one hit.

[crow-kun]

I'm playing the leaked version that was handed to reviewers, it's a very polished game and was 4 gig unzipped. From what i've seen, the english dub is very high quality for a video game. Even if you're a complete dub hater you must have serious issues if you can't recognize the leap in quality from X/X-2 to XII.I could have been just me but I didn't like that fact that it sounded like a lot of people had british accents.

Also if Final Fantasy XII is connected with FFT is it in the past?

[Chicito]

I preordered the collecters edition yesterday, I can't wait!

[Bezerker]

I can see why this is getting so many Star Wars comparisons...

So far ive rescued a princess from a cell in a giant spaceship, and now im in a desert fighting a bunch of small gibberish speaking, cloak wearing jawa wannabees.

[Westlo]

Heck the intro movie alone reminded me of star wars... as for the game I haven't realy put much time into it, been plugging away at vp2...

Answering Plot questions from my fav ps1 rpg > new FF.

[DanoruX]

Preordered the CE a long time ago. :)

[germanturkey]

i won't bother preordering, just cause the gamestop i go to is tucked away in an obscure plaza somewhere, and i doubt they'll sell out in the first day..

this will be the 3rd ff i've bought on release day, i did it with x and x-2 before it

[MightyDustLoop]

So I've been playing FFXII for, oh, several days now. Yeah, I've got the CE fully paid on preorder, and I'm fully aware the methods still aren't proper, but it would just kill me to give early priority to people who have no intention of ever purchasing it at release day prices. So to hell with it, I got in on it.

I'm kind of surprised by how many preconceived notions of FF this installment breaks. I won't discuss any plot details, as that would unnerve me if I were reading, but...

There's quite a bit of gameplay in this one. Cutscenes are far from anything Xenosaga, and you can easily get preoccupied for many hours before even getting another one. Moreover, the graphics...well, due to having rotatable backgrounds that can be viewed at every angle as opposed to fixed single image backgrounds, they're not as pretty. Hell, not even as pretty as Xenosaga III. But its obvious more work went into them. Astounds me to see FF choose a gameplay/exploration approach over a pretty one.

And while the game is not hard, it sure as hell doesn't hold your hand. If you get a little frisky with intimidating monsters, they will kill you with no chance to escape.

While no World of Warcraft and far from any of the complicated RPGs, this is simply not a "pick up and play" game. Mainstream? The elements of the game aren't geared to the mainstream at all. No, rather, the players must learn and gear themself to the game. Definitely refreshing. A lot of game is in here, and anybody with desire to get knee deep in it will probably be pretty occupied.

[Westlo]

Yeah from the short time I've played it, it looks like being a massive game with all the Hunts and your treasure room etc. I'll be lucky to complete it at all by the time it's released in PAL territories.. which is like March 07 or some ******** :\

[MightyDustLoop]

Oh come now, you can get it done by THEN. But goodness, with this among others in my backcatalog, I actually might be able to suppress hype and hold out until someone starts to get a lead next gen. Not saying there's not some good looking stuff hitting the new systems, but it may be a while until games this involving start getting released. Or at least more than a couple on any given platform.

Right now I'm just having fun hunting bounties. I pretty much have 3 favorite RPGs this gen, DQVIII for smart gameplay, KH for stupid fun and atmosphere when I just want some less "involved" and taxing gameplay, and Xenosaga III for its mix (high tier IMO on the atmosphere, story, AND gameplay). If someone had told me DQVIII of all things would be the one on my list FFXII might wind up replacing, I would have laughed. But sure enough, there is a lot of gameplay in this game. And rather than beating you with details in the story, they often give you a lot of info quick and leave you to process it.

I think this one has the potential to be my favorite FF since VI. It seems like a fairly involving experience.

[HitokiriShadow]

Yeah from the short time I've played it, it looks like being a massive game with all the Hunts and your treasure room etc. I'll be lucky to complete it at all by the time it's released in PAL territories.. which is like March 07 or some ******** :\

I was under the impression that the Hunts were about the only sidequests the game had. I haven't heard of this treasure room.

But I think 5 months should be plenty of time to finish everything. While its different from previous FF incarnations, its still produced by Squaresoft, not Nippon Ichi.

[Fukki]

In my 180 hours of playing FFXII (importer here) I have never heard of a treasure room. Are you talking about the Pirate's Hideout? That's the closest thing I can think of related to a "room".

Anyways, there's also sidequests for hunting down rare monsters, fishing mini-game (which you basically need to complete if you want one of the best swords in the game), optional espers and bosses, hunting down "chickens" across the world, etc. There's quite a lot of sidequests in this game :naughty:

[Westlo]

Oh come now, you can get it done by THEN.

My backlog is massive, currently playing VP2 and I want to replay vp1 and than 2 again, got a 15 hour disgaea save to continue off (was playing it before vp2), okami, disgaea 2, dq8 and about another 10 rpgs and if WoW's expansion comes out in Nov gfg.... I've probably only played 10 hours of warcraft in the last 4 weeks but the expansion will just take back my soul :(

And Yeah I meant pirate room.

[HitokiriShadow]

In my 180 hours of playing FFXII (importer here) I have never heard of a treasure room. Are you talking about the Pirate's Hideout? That's the closest thing I can think of related to a "room".

Anyways, there's also sidequests for hunting down rare monsters, fishing mini-game (which you basically need to complete if you want one of the best swords in the game), optional espers and bosses, hunting down "chickens" across the world, etc. There's quite a lot of sidequests in this game :naughty:

Glad to hear it. A review I read said that the Hunts were about the only side quests there were and I was disappointed to hear that. Lack of sidequests is a bad thing in my book. The more optional quests and bosses the better. Are there any Uber-bosses like the FF7 weapons?

[Fukki]

Yea optional bosses like Omega Mk XII and Yazmat. Average time to beat each is around the 3-5 hour range :naughty:

[_jwb388_]

God, after watching the ultimate boss fights a few months ago, I know this game will last me a good 90+hour adventure.

[germanturkey]

if you leave it on with just gambits, will it kill the boss by itself?

[Fukki]

In the beginning, probably. You'll start to realize that gambits are really limited as you approach late game. I found that I needed to interfere with my characters actions a lot since the gambit's just not good enough to keep me alive. And I doubt it's even possible to kill the optional bosses with gambits alone.

[F Stop]

Damnit. Now I do have to go out and get a new PS2 (laser burnt out on the last one). Any advice on a good cheap place to get a used one (aside from eBay)?

[Lacan]

Since I spent all my money on the 360 and stuff I have to wait till November 1st to get FFXII, I guess I luck out of the CE version. Oh well, I hope online stores will still have the regular editon in stock.

[germanturkey]

hmm.. one day late... i doubt you'll miss out on much :P

chances are that most stores will have a CE versions in stock too

[gameoffreak8]

I am wondering which Ashe or Penelo that Vaan love. ^_^

21 days left. *sighs lightly*

[Fukki]

This may disappoint you, but.. there's practically no love story in this game.

[gameoffreak8]

This may disappoint you, but.. there's practically no love story in this game.
No love story? Bummer...

[_jwb388_]

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=459841&topic=30972930

[seba_boi]

This may disappoint you, but.. there's practically no love story in this game.
That doesn't disappoint me, but it's somewhat shocking... So is main hero gay?..

[germanturkey]

meh... i always enjoyed the love stories in ff games

[crow-kun]

That doesn't disappoint me, but it's somewhat shocking... So is main hero gay?..I think Penelo is his girlfriend. Why does he have to be gay?

[MightyDustLoop]

Square has a habit of dressing their leads awfully fruity. A lot of the ladies like it, guys....not so much. It leaves them pretty open to forum abuse. But hey, if a guy can get away with wearing green tights, then what the hell.

Good thing about Vann is he's a little less annoying when he opens his mouth than a certain FFX character. Hell, I don't think it's even the script, but his voice actor pulls it off well. Tidus's English voice actor only provided more ammo for the haters. Vann's? More subtle of a pitch (aka, less whiny).

[Lacan]

Well I manage to order the CE Edition today with the help of my grandmother. I made a deal with her that I'll pay her back on the 1st of November. I ordered from Gamestop.com.

Don't worry I thanked her very much.

[Westlo]

Yeah I don't mind Vaan's VA (the entire cast is really good actually), some of the lines Tidus did..... "Come out Ultimate Weapon let's fight *ground shakes* arrrrrrrrgh"

[seba_boi]

Why does he have to be gay?Well, he looks gay... So Ashe and Vaan are not gonna end up together eh?... Interesting, yet gets Vaan minus points in guy fans... If Penelo is his gf, then there must be a love plot involved then?!....

[Westlo]

Well not if they're already hooked up...

[seba_boi]

Well not if they're already hooked up...
But the greatest stories are love stories, or involve love stories!...

[HitokiriShadow]

Based on the reviews I've read. the focus of FF12 is on the plot and politics and the characters and their development take a backseat. It doesn't look like there will be much of a "love story" in FF12. I think we will see little "love story" beyond a little bit of flirting, if that.

[Fukki]

flirting hmm ^^; I don't recall any haha
the love relationship of the main characters are already set in the beginning of the game, and it stays that way throughout the game. There's practically no development on it. You'll just know "oh, blahblah is blahblah's wife/gf" and the story moves on lol

[HitokiriShadow]

That's pretty much what I expected.

[germanturkey]

But the greatest stories are love stories, or involve love stories!...
QFT

FFVI without the opera scene
X without the spring scene...

they wouldn't have been the experience they were

[Holy Knight]

By the way, is this game the same as FFX in that you can acquire everything you missed at the end of the game? Or can you miss some sidequests, items, etc. like in other FF's?

Yea optional bosses like Omega Mk XII and Yazmat. Average time to beat each is around the 3-5 hour range :naughty:

:blink:

You're kidding me.

[_jwb388_]

Nope they have hp in the millions.

[Fukki]

By the way, is this game the same as FFX in that you can acquire everything you missed at the end of the game? Or can you miss some sidequests, items, etc. like in other FF's?


There are a couple of things that can be missed but only like 2-3. I recall one sidequest that is missable, one ultimate weapon that if you don't do it the easy way (which requires you to not do certain things in the game) it'll be 1/10 chance for it to appear in a treasure chest and 1/10 chance for the chest to appear, and also a set of Genji equips that if you don't steal from a certain enemy, you'll miss it forever.

So really the only things that are missable: that one sidequest (although the reward is nothing good) and the set of Genji equips. Otherwise everything else is obtainable at the end of the game.

[crow-kun]

This may just be me, but is anyone else annoyed with the British accents?

[MightyDustLoop]

This may just be me, but is anyone else annoyed with the British accents?

For a society with royalty (and essentially a sky sailor)? Makes a lot more sense. And they feel like very authentic accents and not overbearing, forced ones, so I'm okay with it. In fact, I feel the dub is simply phenomenal. Makes me wish they'd redo FFX's. That's probably why it was a bigger hit with the Japanese than with the North American fans. Our voice acting sucked.

[MightyDustLoop]

QFT

FFVI without the opera scene
X without the spring scene...

they wouldn't have been the experience they were

I didn't care for either of those scenes. And here I thought the lovey dovey fans were all into 8, hence the reason I could never get into it.

[germanturkey]

^^ you're heartless then... :P

i always enjoyed it

[Cow]

The SE release reminds me of the RE4-Limited Edition release, which came with numbered cards of ada wong. They both have the tin can etc.

I cant decide which to get :( 10 bucks isnt that big of a deal so probably the Se for me.

[MightyDustLoop]

I'm sure it will be A LOT less limited. But, I figure, if you're gonna buy something at MSRP, might as well spring for the one with the extra crap. Besides, it's a 20% difference in price. As long as it looks a little nicer (and cover indications are positive), money well spent.

I'm 35 hours into this mofo, and I don't even know if I'm halfway through the game yet, so if it clicks with you, you'll no doubt be getting your money's worth. This game is a massive timekiller.

[Fukki]

Yea it really is a time killer if you're planning on doing a perfect game :P I was close to the 200 hour mark when I completely finished the game (getting all ultimate equips and finishing all sidequests, everyone at lvl 99, etc)

although if you're not planning to get all ultimate equips, you can slash away around 50 hours off that time

[Levon]

This may just be me, but is anyone else annoyed with the British accents?

They are very light accents, most of the time you won't notice them. Its not like Dragon Quest VIII which had very heavy British accents(although I loved the accents & it wouldn't fit without them). The only main character that really has a strong accent is Balthier who sounds just like Obi-Wan from the Star Wars prequels:P He sounds great though. It helps that the VA is British. Everyone else ethier doesn't have an accent or its very light where they just sound like they have a lot of honor & talk like it was a Shakespeare play, which fits because the dialog is spoken in a very classical way like in a play.

Its about fitting the characters and the accents work great. FFXII is set is medieval-like world & when you think medieval times with knights & such you don't think of American accents do you?:lol:

The dub is very well done.

[seba_boi]

Man, is this game gonna be some Star Wars rip-off/wannabe?... 'Cuz that would totally suck...

[crow-kun]

Man, is this game gonna be some Star Wars rip-off/wannabe?... 'Cuz that would totally suck...Comparisons like this piss me off. Just because their are massive airships battles it's a complete rip-off of Star Wars? That’s bs. It's no different then saying Basilisk is a rip-off of Romeo and Juliet just because it has two rival clans who hate each other and two members from each clan who love each other besides the stories being completely different. Where were the people crying foul when Biggs and Wedge were names showing up as character in FF games?

[Westlo]

FFXII team said they were inspired by Star Wars and it definately shows, doesn't mean it's not stupid to say it's a ripoff though....

[crow-kun]

FFXII team said they were inspired by Star Wars and it definately shows, doesn't mean it's not stupid to say it's a ripoff though....Saying something’s a rip-off means it lacks any originality what so ever.

[Levon]

There are some very clear Star Wars homages durring some some scenes, but to call it a rip-off of Star Wars makes no sense at all because its nothing like Star Wars overall.

[seba_boi]

Comparisons like this piss me off. Just because their are massive airships battles it's a complete rip-off of Star Wars? That’s bs. It's no different then saying Basilisk is a rip-off of Romeo and Juliet just because it has two rival clans who hate each other and two members from each clan who love each other besides the stories being completely different. Where were the people crying foul when Biggs and Wedge were names showing up as character in FF games?
Pardon the use of "rip-off" because that's the best I can put it... It's not just the massive airships, the overall atmosphere, the lightings, the conglomerate of different races (of animals and such) just screams Star Wars prequel...

[MightyDustLoop]

Homage is a much kinder word. Some of the scenarios feel the same and all, but I never feel like I'm playing Star Wars or get Ashe confused with Leia or anything.

[seba_boi]

Homage is a much kinder word. Some of the scenarios feel the same and all, but I never feel like I'm playing Star Wars or get Ashe confused with Leia or anything.
Hmm... Doesn't feel like a homage to me... But does Ashe act like Padme?... :p

[MightyDustLoop]

Hmm... Doesn't feel like a homage to me... But does Ashe act like Padme?... :p

Truth be told, she kinda does. Pretty generic, "I have to do what is best for my people though I have feelings" female leader.

[Bezerker]

The only person Ashe reminds me of is Yuna, looks near the same.

If anything, she'd be Leia, since you have to rescue her from a jail cell in a giant spaceship.

[seba_boi]

Hehe... So Ashe is a combination of Leia and Padme, while Vaan is Luke, Balfear is Han, and Fran is Chewbacca...

[MightyDustLoop]

Hehe... So Ashe is a combination of Leia and Padme, while Vaan is Luke, Balfear is Han, and Fran is Chewbacca...


You're really pushing a little hard with this one. Fran is awesome, closer to a "Deedlit", and surprisingly enough, I find her the hottest character in the game. And here I was never into beast girls.

I think the game is associated most with SW in the style aspect, with a few key events being throwbacks to some things that went down in Star Wars. Its a very political story in nature, but so are many things, and it doesn't quite take so much from SW in that aspect. SW being of course a culmination of a number of planets and kingdoms, while this takes place in a smaller kingdom in a world pretty much governed by two large powers. And associating the Judges with Star Wars is a bit difficult, as they are, at closest relation to anything in Star Wars, an "evil Jedi".

I think the political events and feel of the game mesh quite a bit better than SW1-3, but if you like the style of the peoples and locations of Star Wars, I won't lie. There's a lot of that same feel here. Truly though, its a good thing, as I feel that even if its an ode to Star Wars, its a far better final product than 1-3. Of course, that is purely my opinion, as comparing a game and movie trilogy isn't something that can be considered fair.

[seba_boi]

You're really pushing a little hard with this one. Fran is awesome, closer to a "Deedlit", and surprisingly enough, I find her the hottest character in the game. And here I was never into beast girls.
Oh, I was more or less kidding with the whole SW thing... :P I don't mind the Star Wars nod that much; and I still can't wait to play this game... But the lack of playable characters are kinda disappointing... How many are there, six?... I sorta has this thought that they didn't like repeating the same amount of playable characters:

FFV = 5
FFVI = 12 or something
FFVII = 9
FFVIII = 6
FFIX = 8
FFX = 7

Still, I'm very ecstatic at Yoshida's designs... How's the character customization?... Pretty original and fun?...

[ryushe]

Oh, I was more or less kidding with the whole SW thing... :P I don't mind the Star Wars nod that much; and I still can't wait to play this game... But the lack of playable characters are kinda disappointing... How many are there, six?... I sorta has this thought that they didn't like repeating the same amount of playable characters:

FFV = 5
FFVI = 12 or something
FFVII = 9
FFVIII = 6
FFIX = 8
FFX = 7

Still, I'm very ecstatic at Yoshida's designs... How's the character customization?... Pretty original and fun?...
Actually, the lower the number the better IMO. That's why I think Dragon Quest VIII pwned so hard. At first I was like wtf, 4 characters for the whole game but it worked out really well.

Well I just pre-orded FFXII CE the other day, but I was kinda surprised that they actually had more copies left to pre-order. It's either thay have many copies or people just don't like FF anymore (Well, in my area, not much people like Final Fantasy anyway <_< < . I know NBA 2k7's gonna be sold out though, go figure).

[MightyDustLoop]

Character customization is solid. I love the map grid. Generally if you pick off mastering heavy weapons, you end up on a trail of nothing but heavy weapons. I put off learning quickenings for a while. DON'T DO THAT! Definitely buy those squares on the grid when you figure out which 3 everyone will get. Besides being akin to your limit break attacks (everyone loves those, right), a person who's gotten 2 or 3 quickenings gets double or triple the magic (SP). You'll be able to roam the map longer.

My biggest beef though is that the customization is entirely the same, except for summons and quickenings. Sure, the base stats means it would make more sense to proceed somewhere else on the map grid, and you probably want to round out your group with different weapon/magic focus, but ultimately, you have access to all the same stuff.

I'm perfectly fine with 6 characters, but then I preferred the old days of FF4 (2US), where they gave you your group, and that was it. No switching needed. Too many characters was the main reason I disliked VI and VII so much. Either way, since you're looking at three party members at any given time, I think six is fine. It's hard enough not skewing the levels with six as is.

My biggest complain about this game is its "too damn long". A lot of gamers complain of brevity, so for many, I suppose its a compliment. But I like my 30-50 hour RPGs. No complaints there. Then I have a better shot of playing all the good games out. As it is now, no chance. Maybe the people who complain of game length are really broke? I don't know.

Current progress: 60 hours in, lots of mob quests left, don't know if I'm near the end, but there's little indication that things are coming to a head.

[ryushe]

My biggest complain about this game is its "too damn long". A lot of gamers complain of brevity, so for many, I suppose its a compliment. But I like my 30-50 hour RPGs. No complaints there. Then I have a better shot of playing all the good games out. As it is now, no chance. Maybe the people who complain of game length are really broke? I don't know.

Current progress: 60 hours in, lots of mob quests left, don't know if I'm near the end, but there's little indication that things are coming to a head.
That's all I wanted to hear, I'm actually glad it's long. But is it a "good, I don't ever want this to be over" RPG or is it the "bad When the f**k is this thing gonna end" RPG?

[MightyDustLoop]

That's all I wanted to hear, I'm actually glad it's long. But is it a "good, I don't ever want this to be over" RPG or is it the "bad When the f**k is this thing gonna end" RPG?

I'm very sure that's certainly dependent on the person. But I've never personally put 100+ hours into a single RPG quest if that's any indication (and I actually started with FF1). A few I played through several times to hit that mark, but mostly in my early days when there wasn't much else going on, but I mean literally a few (1-3), and I try to play through most major rpgs.

So I would say that it's pretty indicative that it's long "in a good way". The story is strong, but also often quick spurts and sparse in details, so the gameplay is really the draw to begin with. The mob hunts are the big time killer. There's quite a few, and they can take as long as an hour or so. They're not exactly hard to find sidequests though, so its very easy to get caught up in them. Most of the hunts are for huge boss like characters, so its, well, kinda like lots of little boss battles. That's a huge draw IMHO.

Even without a FAQ trying to pull some 100%ish quest, its is not hard at all to find 100+ hours of activity in this game. In fact, you'd pretty much have to ignore a lot of those you know full well about to get it done in a decent double digit time. I've never quite seen that level of length in a game. I've actually heard trying to get everything may net you closer to 200 hours. That's INSANE!

So, uhh, long, and I'd like to try out some other games. But I gotta admit I'm enjoying it. I've little desire to ignore mob quests and purely grind through the story. I admit to liking the battle system though so that I'm easily drawn in, but I hope it yields the same results for you.

[Rahxephon91]

One question is it all possible to make one character stick to a certain class?

[MightyDustLoop]

One question is it all possible to make one character stick to a certain class?

That depends on what you consider a "class". If class is definied by the skills and equipment a character is equipped with, yes. You can easily have Balthier stick to nothing but guns and daggers and lightweight armor and techniques and call him your resident "thief". But me personally, I've got plenty of SP to do all that and more, so I strengthened him in magic and basic stat increases and at least gave him the basic healing spells. In fact, I've done that with every character, as you'll have more than enough lp to do so sooner or later, and you're more likely to survive if anyone is capable of status curing and healing in a fight.

[seba_boi]

Sounds cool already!...

[Fukki]

Even without a FAQ trying to pull some 100%ish quest, its is not hard at all to find 100+ hours of activity in this game. In fact, you'd pretty much have to ignore a lot of those you know full well about to get it done in a decent double digit time. I've never quite seen that level of length in a game. I've actually heard trying to get everything may net you closer to 200 hours. That's INSANE!

Haha, yea it takes a lot of time to get everything in the game. It took me close to 200 hours to finish the main game + all sidequests + get every single best equip in the game. If you just want to finish the main story though, it'll most likely only take like 70ish hours or less.

[gameoffreak8]

Zomg, 200 hours!? Alright!
Ten days left. :)

[MightyDustLoop]

Haha, yea it takes a lot of time to get everything in the game. It took me close to 200 hours to finish the main game + all sidequests + get every single best equip in the game. If you just want to finish the main story though, it'll most likely only take like 70ish hours or less.

Indeed, I'd imagine I can shave some time off my game if I didn't and don't bother with the mob hunts. But for me, its one thing to ignore side quests I have to read through a faq to even find out about. I do that all the time. But its another thing entirely to skip side quests like mob hunts that are laid forth for me. Just walk into a bar, check the posts, and kick the living crap out of something bigger than me. I'll at least try and do the side stuff that's laid forth for me.

And because of it, I'll spend 100+ hours on this one. Still good though. I'm pretty good about taking that philosophy with all the RPGs I play (unless I abhor playing them), and I've yet to hit that mark. 200 hours though? Damn. I might not bother with all the best equips. Let's be honest, at the level you had to be at to complete the side quests to attain all those, you can usually whup the final boss's ***......

.....unequipped.

[Levon]

Oh, I was more or less kidding with the whole SW thing... :P I don't mind the Star Wars nod that much; and I still can't wait to play this game... But the lack of playable characters are kinda disappointing... How many are there, six?... I sorta has this thought that they didn't like repeating the same amount of playable characters:

FFV = 5
FFVI = 12 or something
FFVII = 9
FFVIII = 6
FFIX = 8
FFX = 7

Still, I'm very ecstatic at Yoshida's designs... How's the character customization?... Pretty original and fun?...

You can only have 3 in a party at a time, like other FF games. However there are guests where you have no control over them, so sometimes your party contains 4 characters.

If all 3 of your characters die you can switch to the remaining characters you have. Kinda feels like cheating...

[gameoffreak8]

Call me crazy but Final Fantasy Collector's Edition have six different of DVD cover? :unsure:

[_jwb388_]

Call me crazy but Final Fantasy Collector's Edition have six different of DVD cover? :unsure:
For some reason I don't understand what your talking about.

[gameoffreak8]

For some reason I don't understand what your talking about.
Ah. Let me clarify, I went to Gamestop one week ago and I noticed about six Final Fantasy XII LE on the shelf, it's for pre-order only by the way, so I am wondering why. They should put one on that shelf at least. I hope it does not confuse you.

EDIT: Never mind. The worker from GameStop explained to me. Sorry about that.