Kyubi [Spoilers]

[DarkNataku]

ok even though it's already on the title i will add tags ok this is in the second part of naruto...:Meanwhile, in Naruto's mind, comes face to face with his demon fox Kyūbi, who implores him to use his Kyūbi power. When Naruto refuses, the demon scoffs, saying Naruto has always come to him in times of need and that Naruto is worthless without his power. Suddenly, Sasuke somehow also appears in front of the Kyūbi (stunning both Naruto and Kyūbi), and marvels at finally finding the source of Naruto's power and saying, "Who would have guessed that this monster was inside you?". Sasuke can clearly see the Kyūbi inside Naruto and appears to be able to seal its power from within Naruto.

Kyūbi then remembers his past history with the Uchiha clan. And states how the Uchiha may possess chakra even more evil than his own "just like that Uchiha Madara". (Rumor says that he was the 1st Mangekyō Sharingan user Itachi might have mentioned to Sasuke and that Sasuke will be the third user if he succeeds).

As Sasuke represses the Kyūbi's chakra, the fox leaves him with a strange message:

"Don't kill Naruto, you would regret it." - got it from wiki.

>from what i know is if the container dies than so does the biju inside. just like when gaara's was taken he died.

do any of you know what he meant by this.

[u_nick]

which part, just the last part there?

if so,

When the whoel Gaara incident went down, I dont remember any specific mention of his biju being dead at all... I could be simply forgetting, i suppose...

[DarkNataku]

no not that becausegaara's aunt/or whatever with the help of naruto's chakra brought gaara back to life at the cost of hers. what i was saying is what did kyubi mean by if you kill naruto then you will regret it. or was it just a bluff.

[Carmel]

Oh, well by that, I think he means you'll regret killing the person you care most about when it's all over and done with... that would be the most obvious answer to me, but it could have an underlying meaning.

[likenewbie]

means the fox cares about naruto now =-)

prolly not ;-)

[blackknight]

Or perhaps that Kyuubi's seal is weak enough now that if Naruto dies then Kyuubi would escape, meing Sasuke would suddenly have to deal with a huge demon that's pissed from being caged up for thirteen years.

[chaos link]

The Kyubi probably has a love for Naruto. Imagine being locked inside Naruto for what many yrs. Kyubi probably changed his mind over killing everyone realizing how undeliciouse humans are over many eps. >_<; blah..

[blackknight]

The Kyubi probably has a love for Naruto. Imagine being locked inside Naruto for what many yrs. Kyubi probably changed his mind over killing everyone realizing how undeliciouse humans are over many eps. >_<; blah..
And in other news, Zabuza's not dead. He's pining for the fjords.

[chaos link]

Randomness :P
Kyubi is really mysterious you know that...you know what ima post the on "Most random character".

[u_nick]

i took the 'threat' as Kyubi's was of saying dont even TRY to kill Naruto, because I will take over and i WILL kill you to stop you. and if you suceed in killing Naruto, absolutely nothing will be able to hold me back anymore from destruction, and you will be my first target.

at least, thats what i HOPE he meant :D

[Naster]

i have to wonder if this is somewhat similar to yu yu hakusho..
yusuke's powers didn't truely unlock until he had died. i wonder if when naruto dies the kyuubi will give the remainder of his chakra to bring him back to life/augment naruto's powers.

*edit* hmm ya, and if this happens i just realized technically sasuke could get his mangekyo sharigan after "killing" naruto. it's a win/win situation.

[dimithri]

Or perhaps that Kyuubi's seal is weak enough now that if Naruto dies then Kyuubi would escape, meing Sasuke would suddenly have to deal with a huge demon that's pissed from being caged up for thirteen years.

But why would you tell sasuke not to kill naruto if by killing naruto you can come out?
If Kyubi dies when naruto is killed then telling sasuke he'll regret it should be a joke, because no naruto means no Kyubi so who’s gonna make him regret?

[blackknight]

But why would you tell sasuke not to kill naruto if by killing naruto you can come out?
If Kyubi dies when naruto is killed then telling sasuke he'll regret it should be a joke, because no naruto means no Kyubi so who’s gonna make him regret?Sasuke would certainly regret it if he was faced with the full might of an enraged demon. Perhaps it was a threat.

I do see your point though. Kyuubi would probably be more subtle than that.

[chaos link]

i have to wonder if this is somewhat similar to yu yu hakusho..
yusuke's powers didn't truely unlock until he had died. i wonder if when naruto dies the kyuubi will give the remainder of his chakra to bring him back to life/augment naruto's powers.

*edit* hmm ya, and if this happens i just realized technically sasuke could get his mangekyo sharigan after "killing" naruto. it's a win/win situation.That would make Naruto invisible. Maybe the Kyubi were just trying to protect Naruto.

[Aaluaine]

or it could mean that if sasuke killed naruto ..... then kyuubi would come outta naruto after 15 years ... and take over the WORLD ! :D .... sorry ive been drinking too much coffee ..... but seriously i still dont get how could sasuke see kyuubi inside naruto ? maybe its a new technique he created over the years with Orochimaru >_>

[Jeenathee]

This is interesting, because as was mentioned, if Naruto is killed and the Kyuubi is freed, wouldn't the Kyuubi WANT that?

So this doesn't seem to be the effects of killing Naruto.

But then again, Naruto has been severely wounded other times, or under immense stress, and the Kyuubi took over, preserving Naruto's body and life. So it seems Kyuubi has some self-interest in preserving Naruto's body.

So what *would* happen if Naruto the human was somehow killed?

I don't know if the Kyuubi has any sort of interest in human relationships, and I find it kind of hard to believe Kyuubi would tell Sasuke not to kill Naruto only because of emotional regret Sasuke may suffer. It seems there must be some threat of violence involved, but I don't know how, or why Kyuubi would even bother warning Sasuke if he may end up putting his own life in danger by killing Naruto.

[DarkNataku]

seeing as most of you say that sasuke kills naruto and then kyubi kills/beats on sasuke i would have told sasuke to do it just so he can get what's coming. but so far naruto control is 3 tails after the forth he becomes berserk. and before the naruto/sasuke fight that lead to this naruto had fought oro and lost control and Yamato uses Hokage Shiki Jijun Jutsu: Kakuan Nitten Suishu (A seal appears on the user's hand, and after touching his palm to someone "possessed" by a bijū, they become connected by a stream of chakra, and an open structure of sorts forms around the target. This technique appears to forcibly reverse a bijū transformation). but many in the show have said that the seal was weakening, so would it be enough for him to break free. or would the yu yu theory also work here. but kyubi chakra also break down naruto's body as fast as it heal so if indeed he takes control wounldnt it do more harm then good. of course it would save them bought but naruto was already in a weak state.

[Cow]

That line can be interpreted in many ways and I feel that it was meant that way too.
Certainley Naruto has become more powerful if he can control 3-4 of kyuubi's tails. Whether the kyuubi gives him these tails or hes powerful enough to take control of them is still shady.

I would imagine over time that the Kyuubi has a bit more sympathy for Naruto, its the kyuubis chakra and based on sasuke vs. naruto in episode 133 the kyuubi gives naruto power.

But that can also be because
A) he cares
B) if naruto dies he dies
C) he hates uchiha's

or all of them?!?!?!?

[DarkNataku]

k and here is another one just a lil off topic but it has something to do with (maybe) kyubi. before naruto and the gang left in search of gaara, Jiraiya told naruto not to use a certain move. now i know we havent seen the all the fruits of narutos 2.5 yr training but could it be the 4 tail transformation or something else. so does this mean the naruto has been training in order to control the 4 tail transformation or maybe just transforming. i just found something maybe its this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kyuubi-Naruto4attack.png)

[Jeenathee]

k and here is another one just a lil off topic but it has something to do with (maybe) kyubi. before naruto and the gang left in search of gaara, Jiraiya told naruto not to use a certain move. now i know we havent seen the all the fruits of narutos 2.5 yr training but could it be the 4 tail transformation or something else. so does this mean the naruto has been training in order to control the 4 tail transformation or maybe just transforming. i just found something maybe its this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kyuubi-Naruto4attack.png)
That's Naruto's "Ultima" attack. It causes significant, non-elemental damage to the enemy, but uses 90% HP and MP.

[Jeenathee]

But that can also be because
A) he cares
B) if naruto dies he dies
C) he hates uchiha's

or all of them?!?!?!?
From what I've read lately, it seems B. is correct, that if Naruto dies, Kyuubi dies. Which still leaves the question of Naruto's eventually becoming old someday and dying. . . does Kyuubi worry about that? :x

[blackknight]

i just found something maybe its this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kyuubi-Naruto4attack.png)
Unlikely. It wouldn't make sense for Jiraiya to warn Naruto not to use "that jutsu" if Naruto could only use it in four-tailed form, seeing as how Naruto has no control of his actions in that form.

[DarkNataku]

well he might have told him about another jutsu that teleports you to any place that you have left your mark on. can't remember what its called let me look for it.

>k found it, it's called Hiraishin no Jutsu (Flying Thunder God Technique):The jutsu of the Yondaime Hokage and the reason behind his nickname "The Yellow Flash of Konoha".
This jutsu allows the user to move over large distances with ultra-high speed. Although it is often compared with the Shunshin no Jutsu, the speed of the Hiraishin is much faster than that of the Shunshin and the principle behind Hiraishin is similar to Kuchiyose no Jutsu.
To activate this jutsu, the user needs a special seal or "Jutsu-shiki" to mark the destination. After this is done, the user can almost instantaneously transport himself to the location of the Jutsu-shiki.
The Yondaime applied the Jutsu-shiki in advance to weapons such as kunai. It is also possible to leave a Jutsu-shiki in an area touched by the user.
It is one of the few only known non-Kekkei-Genkai techniques created that the Sharingan/Byakugan cannot follow. It is because of this technique that Konoha came out victorious in the Iwa-Konoha Ninja War.
Jiraya, before Naruto left to save Gaara, told him not to use a certain jutsu. Some fans believe that that jutsu is Hiraishin no jutsu.

[blackknight]

Left your mark on? Why is Naruto going around spraying trees?

Nevermind me, I just say weird things like that every so often.

[DarkNataku]

there i edited my post. let me ask some of you, do you buy into the whole thing that naruto is somehow related to the 4th hokage?

[blackknight]

Seems likely. They both had enormous power, there are physical similarities, both seem to be the type that refuse to give up. Add to that the probability that Yondaime would not sacrifce someone else's child to seal Kyuubi and it's pretty much set. Genetics, though, don't seem to be on Naruto's side much. He's immature, impetuous, unskilled, rather dense, and relatively slow.

[chaos link]

What episode or chapter in the manga was it? When Kyubi said this words and Naruto was...killed?

[DarkNataku]

this is in the second part of the manga after the time-skip. k a lil more exacted in the grass country arc

[chaos link]

Chapter please...would help >_<:P

[DarkNataku]

cant remember. lol. i'll edit once i do

[chaos link]

Thank you ^ ^

[Cow]

If your referring the mishima comment/ you'll regret it comment i believe its between
chapter 307-309

[chaos link]

Thank you i'm gonna go check it out right now. Thanks.

[LinaLoN]

I've been reading this thread and thinking about a few things all though I am still at the Junin Exams episodes. I wonder what it was that made the Kyuubi attack the Villages in the first place. Did it exist before the attacks and was a dorment spirit until something enraged it so or did it appear out of the blue? Do you think the Uchiha Clan was somehow responsible for it? If so then it could mean that if Sasuke killed Naruto, then the Kyuubi might go out of control again with wanting to kill off Sasuke and rid the world once-and-for-all of all Uchihas. It does seem like the complete extinction of the Uchiha clan is likely.

[DarkNataku]

i doubt that kyubi will let anything happen to naruto. bc it seems more clear that if naruto dies than he dies aswell. but i am sure that he existed long before he attacked konoha. i doubt that out of nowhere he just appeared and started attacking ppl. maybe the uchihas did somehow trigger the attack on konoha itself.

[chaos link]

I've been reading this thread and thinking about a few things all though I am still at the Junin Exams episodes. I wonder what it was that made the Kyuubi attack the Villages in the first place. Did it exist before the attacks and was a dorment spirit until something enraged it so or did it appear out of the blue? Do you think the Uchiha Clan was somehow responsible for it? If so then it could mean that if Sasuke killed Naruto, then the Kyuubi might go out of control again with wanting to kill off Sasuke and rid the world once-and-for-all of all Uchihas. It does seem like the complete extinction of the Uchiha clan is likely.Wow..good point. Come to think of it, it is kinda wierd that the Kyuubi just attack the village like that. There is got to be a reason. Never really think of it that way.

[Cow]

Chuunin exam episodes*

We still dont know what it takes for a Chuunin to become a Jounin, though I'd like too :(

[likenewbie]

advanced knowledge of techniques, and the chakra to use them properly. leadership abilities and tactical knowhow as well.

[Cow]

I'm talking more about the test.

[Jeenathee]

advanced knowledge of techniques, and the chakra to use them properly. leadership abilities and tactical knowhow as well.
It also depends on how many ninja they need. If there's a shortage due to war, they'll promote students at younger ages.

[blackknight]

Did it exist before the attacks and was a dorment spirit until something enraged it so or did it appear out of the blue?
If I understand Japanese legend correctly Kyuubi would have to be at least a thousand years old, so I assume he was around before the attack.

I also wonder about Naruto's relation to Yondaime now. If he was the Fourth's son why did the village scorn him? It would be one thing if he'd had Kyuubi implanted in him to make him a weapon, as the Kazekage had done to Gaara, but Naruto could be seen as joint savior of the village, since it's his body that is the demon's prison.

[DarkNataku]

well the fourth had a lot of enemies and if they named naruto after the fourth then there would have been attacks on naruto's life.

>on a side note what would happen once all tails are activated. will the fox take over completely or maybe the 2 will merge together. they both seem to be alike, what i mean is that naruto shares a lot of traits. well naruto isn't all that smart but he seems to have his moments. or a third possibility being that kyubi is able to be free without killing naruto and somehow he is nicer sorta like when inmates get out of jail of course certain ones seem to go back in for the same thing.

[blackknight]

But he also had many friends and allies who would have protected Naruto's life. Certain names come to mind, like Kakashi, the Third Hokage, Tsunade, Jiraiya, each of whom could probably protect the young Naruto almost single handed.

I'm probably exagerating there, but you get my point. The Fourth had plenty of powerful friends who could be counted on to protect the child.

[DarkNataku]

k maybe the hokage but that is it. jiraiya wanted nothing to do with the village when oro was going to attack. and tsunade had already left. well kakashi might have been in special ops and judging by his character he would only protect young naruto if he was order too.

[blackknight]

I thought the leaving of the three senin occured some time after Yondaime's death, thus Tsunade and Jiraiya should still have been around.

[DarkNataku]

but it would eventually happen and they still leave.

[blackknight]

Perhaps, but I think we could argue this point until the cows come home so I"ll stop now, especially considering I have a different point to make.

Wasn't it stated that when the sealing jutsu was used it trapped the two combatant's souls together in limbo for eternity, forever battling? Does that mean that Yondaime is also somewhere within Naruto, just unable to make his presence known as of yet?

[likenewbie]

Wasn't it stated that when the sealing jutsu was used it trapped the two combatant's souls together in limbo for eternity, forever battling? Does that mean that Yondaime is also somewhere within Naruto, just unable to make his presence known as of yet?

technically, yes, if the technique was able to perform completely successfully. much like with the 3rd hokage and oro, the 3rd didn't have enough chakra to complete the technique, so he would more then likely be alone in that limbo(or with oro's sacrificed sound ninja that his shadow clones used the technique successfully against.

so, back to the original point, the 4th didn't have the power either to put ole 9 tail into limbo. the best he could do was take his physical body away and transfer the 9 tails spirit into naruto's body with naruto's spirit, and die in the process. but he had hoped, in the very least, the 9 tails power could be of use to konoha. and, technically, it has been, but we'll have to wait and see what happens.

[DarkNataku]

k this is and old tread and i really dont have time to look throw it. but all the times that naruto has been knocked out count the kyubi take over and use naruto's body. i mean then gaara went to sleep shukaku would take over. wouldnt that apply here too, if kyubi is trying to save his own skin then if the going gets tuff then wouldnt he just force his way into taking control?