Rahxephon vs. Eureka 7?

[Malchiel]

Which's better, explain. :P

Here's my take:

Rahxephon
1) Strong Charas
2) A bit melodramatic/angsty at certain parts
3) An array of strong, well fleshed out supporting characters
4) Puzzling stories.
5) Multiple Foreshadowings

Eureka 7
1) Strong Charas
2) Better and more believable characterization
3) An array of strong, well fleshed out supporting characters
4) Less- puzzling stories.
5) Multiple Foreshadowings
6) Longer, possibly better paced too.

Rahxephon - sad, more melachonlic or nostalgic.

Eureka 7 - less melachonlic.

I think give or take they're about equal. Your opinion?

[Gasaraki]

I agree with that entirely. I put E7 higher because I really ended up like Renton and Eureka as main character more than any other, and cause I prefer a story to not be so overly heavy. Even then it still had it's serious moment but it was in a little more moderation I suppose, and that's better IMO.

[AsukaxSohryux]

Rahxephon - A great story, with a strong cast. With some humor put in, this series strikes me hard. Perfect blend of drama,comedy,action and psychology.

Eureka 7 - An awesome series none the less. You can truly connect with each character. Even though the first Vol was a wee bit slow, this show has some great potential. The shows atmosphere is superior which sets it apart from other shows.

RahXephon - 9.5/10
Eureka 7 - 9/10

Anything said in this statement is truly opinionated.

[soulreaper]

In my opinion, RahXephon is a masterpiece, since it fleshes out its characters so well, has such a freaking complex storyline that I only understood after looking up multiple Aztec sites for all the symbolism, and because it contains the episode that has brought me the closest to crying in any anime, 19.

I have only seen as much Eureka seveN as has been shown on Adult Swim. I am enjoying it quite a lot so far, and I hear it gets a lot darker and more serious later on, which is a plus. The music, especially the OPs and EDs, is fantastic as well.

[drgenestarwind]

I really loved RahXephon, it was such a great character anime, words hardly describe it.

the little bit of Eureka 7 ive seen has been good, its been funny, but i really dont know where its going. so right now ive got to stick with Rah

[Malchiel]

I think if you like Rahxephon, it's hard not to like Eureka 7 too. They each have the same quality of what make the two shows interesting. Strong characterization, good pacing and lots of foreshadowing.

As a production I think admittably E7 seems more refined, better planned than Rahxephon.

[Gasaraki]

Yeah, I agree, I was really surprised to learn that a friend of mine LOATHES RahX but completely loves E7. I couldn't figure out why when they're kinda similar O_o

Oh yeah, I love the liscenced tracks they have in E7, but the the overall music score in RahX is better I think, I can actually listen to it by itself. In E7's case, it's great for the atmosphere of the show, but most of it isnt' so great to just sit down and listen too

[Mordecai]

I like RahXephon better, but that's not saying it's the better show.
Both have a great cast of characters (I liked E7's a bit more) and really good stories.
The pacing was definitely better in Eureka Seven and is much more fun than Rah but
Rah was a bit more emotional (to me at least) and impacted me more.
RahXephon's story is what makes it a better show for me than Eureka Seven, though E7 has a good story to.

Both are great shows and anyone who disagrees is wrong :P .

The only negative I can really think of that they share is neither one really had a great OST.. oh well. :)

[Gasaraki]

Wow, you don't like RahX's jazzy/orchestral style OST? I think the whole thing is awesome, all 3 OST's have great tracks

[Mordecai]

Wow, you don't like RahX's jazzy/orchestral style OST? I think the whole thing is awesome, all 3 OST's have great tracks
Don't get me wrong, I like RahXephon's OST's, but I just don't feel they're great. (a few great tracks)
As for Eureka Seven... I don't like most of the music, but it's not so bad that it takes away from the show.

[Malchiel]

Don't get me wrong, I like RahXephon's OST's, but I just don't feel they're great. (a few great tracks)
As for Eureka Seven... I don't like most of the music, but it's not so bad that it takes away from the show.

There're a few good ones in Rahxephon and they're more unique, jazzy, blues as gasaraki has pointed out. It works very well with Rahxephons melachonlic, mystical mood imo.

Katon No Sadame
Lalala Maladie
Huge Suites
Guten Morgen
The Second Sorrow
Brave
Before You Know
Bad News
Reverse Point
Invisible Motion

Of course OP, ED, Hemisphere and Yume no Tamago

Hmm... Shounen heart is very good in E7 too, followed by storywritter. Overall though, Rahxephon probably has more of better music than E7.

[Gasaraki]

Yeah like I said, E7 has GREAT liscenced music, "Ninety Three" by Takkyu Ishino is HOTNESS.

My favs aside from "Ninety Three" are probably:
All the OP's but especially "Sakura"(the 4th). I love that OP and the animation that goes along with it is immensely satisfying.
Izawa Asami - "Fly Away" and the remixed version
KAGAMI - "Tiger Track"
Quadra - "GET IT BY YOUR HANDS"
Denki Groove - "Niji" plays during the last episode and is just awesome :D
Taichi Master - "L.F.O."

All great stuff :thumbsup:

[Mordecai]

All the OP's but especially "Sakura"(the 4th). I love that OP and the animation that goes along with it is immensely satisfying.
That one is great. :)

[soulreaper]

My favorites have to be To the Sun's Center (OP3) and Secret Base (ED1). Even though I don't watch past what I've seen on AS since I like the dub so much, I've watched all the OPs and EDs on YouTube.

[Krueger]

I like Eureka Seven a lot.

I love RahXephon.

[ghostworld]

I haven't really got into Eureka 7 yet but I loooove Rahxephon.

[Roland]

Oh, Come ON! Where is the "Rahxephon VS Wedding Peach" topic?

[Mordecai]

Oh, Come ON! Where is the "Rahxephon VS Wedding Peach" topic?
Oh it's coming... just you wait. :P

[TheDemonSlayer]

I personally like both, and that's saying alot for Eureka 7, since I've only seen what's been aired on [AdultSwim] so far. And I've completed Rahxephon, and have seen the movie. So for me, I couldn't really choose between the two, partly because eventhough they both have mecha, both are very different in many respects. Raxephon like stated before is a masterpiece, not to say that Eureka 7 isn't good, but Rahxephon definitely has that factor that will never be duplicated again. The art work, the character development, story, battles, all were just perfect. But even with all of this, Eureka 7 also looks to be bringing something new to the table as well, so we can only wait and see.

[King Otaku]

I like both alot but Rahxephone is a whole lot more serious. E7 has some bad english voices and really hurt my ears. I would say Rahxephone is better.

[K' Dash]

Yeah like I said, E7 has GREAT liscenced music, "Ninety Three" by Takkyu Ishino is HOTNESS.

My favs aside from "Ninety Three" are probably:
All the OP's but especially "Sakura"(the 4th). I love that OP and the animation that goes along with it is immensely satisfying.
Izawa Asami - "Fly Away" and the remixed version
KAGAMI - "Tiger Track"
Quadra - "GET IT BY YOUR HANDS"
Denki Groove - "Niji" plays during the last episode and is just awesome :D
Taichi Master - "L.F.O."

All great stuff :thumbsup:

hey, my fav is Days by Flow. i dunno why but when i started downloading eps. like 2 months ago that song just stuck. i say E7 is better. Better music. hot characters. and it feels a lil more free flowing in my opinion

[Malchiel]

I personally like both, and that's saying alot for Eureka 7, since I've only seen what's been aired on [AdultSwim] so far. And I've completed Rahxephon, and have seen the movie. So for me, I couldn't really choose between the two, partly because eventhough they both have mecha, both are very different in many respects. Raxephon like stated before is a masterpiece, not to say that Eureka 7 isn't good, but Rahxephon definitely has that factor that will never be duplicated again. The art work, the character development, story, battles, all were just perfect. But even with all of this, Eureka 7 also looks to be bringing something new to the table as well, so we can only wait and see.

Yeah Rahxephon is very unique isn't it? More so than E7.

[Uchiha-Itachi]

Yeah Rahxephon is very unique isn't it? More so than E7.

how is a copy of evangelion unique? <_<

[Soluzar]

how is a copy of evangelion unique? <_<
You just bought yourself the biggest flaming ever, friend. Malchiel's going to rip you a new arse, and I'm going to watch. He hates Evangelion more than anyone on the planet hates anything.

[Uchiha-Itachi]

im not asking him to like it, but dont say that a show like RahXephon is Unique. its a good show, but not better tha E7 and its not unique. im just dissagreeing. he can say whatever he whants but he cant make me believe its not an imitation of EVA

[Bernard_Monsha]

how is a copy of evangelion unique? <_<

How is a copy of Space Runaway Ideon (evangelion) unique?


Anyway I do not like Eureka 7. It is slowly paced this has to do with the fact they tried to strech it out to much maybe a 15 20 episode series would have made it better,

[MagicianCamille]

How is a copy of Space Runaway Ideon (evangelion) unique?

Bernard wins.

I couldn't really get into Eureka 7, personally. Or Rahxephon for that matter...what am I doing here? Oh yeah, stalking Bernard.

[Ark]

How is a copy of Space Runaway Ideon (evangelion) unique?


Despite the lack of space and running away in eva?

[Uchiha-Itachi]

Despite the lack of space and running away in eva?

thank you. someone who actually makes sense.
1st off, i never stated in any post that evangelion is unique, eva copied other anime, but to an extent.
There are arguments that RahXephon is a scene for scene, character for character, copy of EVA
http://evaxephon.com/gallery1.html
heres some proof ^

Have fun realizing the truth

[Ark]

thank you. someone who actually makes sense.
1st off, i never stated in any post that evangelion is unique, eva copied other anime, but to an extent.
There are arguments that RahXephon is a scene for scene, character for character, copy of EVA
http://evaxephon.com/gallery1.html
heres some proof ^

Have fun realizing the truth

Well see now you're going in the opposite extreme.

Some of the alleged similarities on that website are ridiculous like pointing out that both Reika (mmmm) and Asuka have a yellow dress.There are plenty of real "borrowings" however.

I wouldn't say Rahxephon is a copy of evangelion but it is far FAR closer to being one than eva is to being a copy of ideon.

As I've said before it's a completely ridiculous comparison.

[Uchiha-Itachi]

Well see now you're going in the opposite extreme.

Some of the alleged similarities on that website are ridiculous like pointing out that both Reika (mmmm) and Asuka have a yellow dress.There are plenty of real "borrowings" however.

I wouldn't say Rahxephon is a copy of evangelion but it is far FAR closer to being one than eva is to being a copy of ideon.

As I've said before it's a completely ridiculous comparison.

well reika (...sigh...) and Asuka do have a yellow dress. Both Reika (...sigh..) and Rei (notice the name similarities) are depicted with wings in at least one scene of each anime. i can go on and on about the similarities but the site does it much more justice. They especially explain how the first 3 episodes are almost exactly alike. hmmmm .... wonder why.

[Ark]

well reika (...sigh...) and Asuka do have a yellow dress.

The older sister from Totoro has a yellow dress as well. Also the colour of her dress doesn't really add anything to the story in terms of quality or quantity.Although Reika does look adorable in it and I can't stress that enough.


i can go on and on about the similarities but the site does it much more justice.

Trust me that site is full of garbage. If you want to be good at argueing a case you shouldn't rely on sloppy sources just because they back you up.


They especially explain how the first 3 episodes are almost exactly alike. hmmmm .... wonder why.

Where was the giant floating penus in Rahxephon and when does Ayato get beaten up at school?

[Uchiha-Itachi]

i did say "almost" didnt i?

[Uchiha-Itachi]

also the site is kinda sloppy. but alot of its content is true

[Ark]

also the site is kinda sloppy. but alot of its content is true

But the point is most of it is rubbish.

You can't use the fact that both series have a pet in as proof of copying.

[Uchiha-Itachi]

heh... its typical of humans to win an argument by blocking out what may damage their side no matter how true it is, in order to pick out the negatives of the other sides point. . . . you are right, but look at the real proof on the site, for example, both start in the year 2015. Both main characters runaway at some point early in the series, and Both vow never to pilot again, only to end up piloting anyway.

[Lord Timaeus]

Not again... people, can we please stay on topic here? There's already a thread to discuss the neverending Evangelion/RahXephon issue, so use it.

Anyway, I haven't seen Eureka Seven yet, but with each passing day I think I want to see it more, partly thanks to this thread.

[Uchiha-Itachi]

Not again... people, can we please stay on topic here? There's already a thread to discuss the neverending Evangelion/RahXephon issue, so use it.

Anyway, I haven't seen Eureka Seven yet, but with each passing day I think I want to see it more, partly thanks to this thread.

ah yes, you have a point there.

Well ill say Eureka Seven is better. Original Storyline, great characters, great music, cool mechs, awesome show

[Ark]

ah yes, you have a point there.

Well ill say Eureka Seven is better. Original Storyline, great characters, great music, cool mechs, awesome show

Yeah but I'm guessing no Reika?

[Uchiha-Itachi]

no.. talho and eureka is enough for me....

[Westlo]

lol that site is garbage only a moron would try to use it as evidence.

"Female Character is shocked at messy room!"

I love how garbage like that is solid yet it's okay for Anno to basicly reuse character archtyes from Gunbuster in Eva.

[Quiddity]

Both main characters runaway at some point early in the series, and Both vow never to pilot again, only to end up piloting anyway.

You know, I just recently saw this anime that was very similar.

You know how in Eva, Shinji essentially commits treason against Nerv (threatens to destroy the place), and he's replaced with a female pilot (Rei), who just isn't as effective and he eventually comes back?

And remember that part of the series where he was way too overconfident and it almost screwed him over?

Well I saw this other anime series that was very similar. Our hero, a teenager who is also piloting his dad's giant robot also commits treason against his organization (stealing the mecha). He is also locked in a cell and is replaced with a female pilot. He soon comes back to piloting the mecha, just like Shinji. He too has times like Shinji were he declares he'll never pilot it again. And he too is way too overconfident for part of the series like Shinji.

Man, I'm telling ya, thats such a huge ripoff of Eva.

Oops, its Mobile Suit Gundam. Most famous mecha anime of all time, which just happened to come out 16 years before Eva.

The point? Learn your mecha history. The stuff you talk about was cliche more than a decade before Anno ever had his first thought about Eva.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Despite the lack of space and running away in eva?


You mean despite the fact that Anno himself says Eva pays homage to Ideon and the idea for Instramentality was born from ideon. Your absolutely right no similarities or copying.

RahXephon owes much more to Raideen the Brave (http://maxtoons.com/Raideen.htm) than anything in Evangelion. Down to the beard of the covering of the face when inactive.

[MagicianCamille]

Once again original does not = good. But in this case it's true...Ideon and Raideen beat the pants off of Eva and Rahx.

-Nya

[Westlo]

RahXephon's TERRA > Raideen's High School Soccer Team.

Mazinger Z > Raideen

Anyway Izubuchi like Anno had worked on both Macross and Gundam

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=141

They both weren't exactly newjacks who just came onto the scene, also homages are very common in anime.

Here's something I quoted from some forum... thought it would be pretty relevant to this thread....

One must keep in mind too, is that in Japanese society, imitation is often a great praise for one's work. Fan-based work of popular manga and anime titles in the forms of doujinshi, hentai, fan fiction, and activities such as cosplaying are seen as acts of love and respect for the title and it's creators. The Japanese companies look at these creations and acts, and enjoy the fact that their work as touched many people and made their fans happy.
Both Rah Xephon and Evangelion imitate and borrow from past ideas. Rah Xephon borrows from the popular Evangelion and Megazone 23 series. Evangelion borrows elements from the classic 1970's giant robot shows such as Getta Robo and UFO Robo Grendizer, and the original Mobile Suit Gundam (ex. boy in his father's robot). GAINEX and Bones Studios look at this as just a homage and tribute to the great work of past efforts.

If Eva fans still want to lay the ripoff game...

Studio Bones is made up of ex Studio Sunrise members.

Studio Sunrise made numerous series that inspired Evangelion.

Really nothing more needs to be said.

Anyway check this short thread (http://www.animeboards.com/showthread.php?t=50688) for some quick info on the Raideen/RahXephon connection. Pity the op and mdwigs no longer post :(

Wow at the RahXephon thread still being alive.

http://p206.ezboard.com/futmanimefrm2.showMessageRange?start=1&stop=20&topicID=117.topic

Greatest rahxephon thread ever (along with that AoD thread) Menoumaru was one smart mofo or was just reading japanese forums lol

Haha classic quote

I just realized that Ayato enters Rahxephon the same way how Raideen's pilot enters Raideen..... except Ayato and Rahxephon looks cool. And Raideen looks gay.... and stupid.

Also why do people not mention Megazone 23 when talking about RahXephon.... if you haven't seen Megazone 23 it's well worth watching!

[Uchiha-Itachi]

lol that site is garbage only a moron would try to use it as evidence.

"Female Character is shocked at messy room!"

I love how garbage like that is solid yet it's okay for Anno to basicly reuse character archtyes from Gunbuster in Eva.

dont you know gainax has been recycling characters for years, even recently with DieBuster. Its nothing new.
but try to explain to me why Rah copies EVA scene for scene for the first Two episodes. Explain it, i dare you. why are they so similar.
face it if your so sure your right, and they didnt copy, there wouldnt be a whole website supporting the argument. uh oh wait a minute,.. theres ANOTHER site. here it is:
http://www.therossman.com/rrr/anime/rahxephon.html
look dont get me wrong, its a good show, it just copied off of a Great show. period.

[Levon]

Isn't this topic about "Rahxephon vs. Eureka 7"?

Hmmm....maybe I misread but don't we already have an Rah vs EVA thread?


I havn't seen much Eureka 7 but so far I prefer Rahxephon. Thats not saying much of course since I'm basing that on so little. I really don't think I'd like it more than Rahxephon though.



face it if your so sure your right, and they didnt copy, there wouldnt be a whole website supporting the argument.

Wow, that must mean what they say is true because they created a web site/page about it. Amazing:rolleyes:

Heres something:

http://web.archive.org/web/20041014232329/http://www.escaflowneonline.com/eva/ideon.html

[Uchiha-Itachi]

ya, why dont you go there?

[Westlo]

Scence for scene? Are you a retard?

How is an earth organization called TERRA inserting a secret agent to retrive somebody even similar to an angel attacking the headquarters of an organization while a new pilot arrives?

When did Shinji escape to a world that was many years in the future? When did Shinji leave his friend and family behind to fight against their world? Does Gendo bleed and is it blue blood?

Quit being such a ****ing retard. Aliends invade a city and the main character gets mixed up in the fighting in SDF Macross. Have you watched any gundams? The city/base get attacked and a teenage pilots a mecha to fight them off has been done to death just from the gundam series alone.

What else are you basing your absolutely retarded claim for the first 2 eps being copied? I've been dealing with morons like you since this thread from March 2002 so try and suprise me and come up with something worth actually arguing.

http://www.animeboards.com/showthread.php?t=36719

I'm Westlo and Quiddity is Sheex for anyone who takes a look at that thread.

[Uchiha-Itachi]

thank you for putting up the link: and this guys statement backs me up once again.

look:
"well, the thing is that there're allready dozens of Mecha anime series and untill now only EVA seemed to be different from those other giant robo series. and it would be great if Rah X would be different too, but i don't count on it. but hey, you won't hear me complain! i love giant-robo anime, the more the better!"

Case and point.

[Westlo]

This might help you

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/seemed

Thanks for explaining about the first two eps, was a real eye opener!

[Tiran]

Van, watch your language please.

[Uchiha-Itachi]

it does help... thanks.
you seem to be a smart guy.

look ill pull my punches if you save the sarcasm got it. im not trying too piss you off just cool it. everytime i bring up evidence quit being so extremely negative. learn too express yourself dude

[Gasaraki]

Why don't you just stop? This thread has nothing to do with Eva in the slightest.

[Ryebreadisme]

I tend to stray fairly far away from any of the newer series out there, so I'm going to have to say that I far prefer RaXephon to E7. Just the fact that I like Raxephon way more and it is one of my favorite series is enough for me.

[Uchiha-Itachi]

sigh... i had hopes that someone who's actually watched Eureka Seven could give their input, but all i see are RahXephon fanatics who wouldnt dare watch another series that would rival their beloved RahXephon.

I say after seeing both, that you really cant compare the two (which is a rare sight these days) i like E7 because it abandons alot of the cliche events, and moments that are reoccuring in many Mecha series, E7 is the 1st of its kind, and its an exeptional anime in its own right

[Levon]

but all i see are RahXephon fanatics who wouldnt dare watch another series that would rival their beloved RahXephon.

Stop the nonsense. Thats untrue, there not so narrow minded to not watch anything but RahXephon. You treat RahXephon fans like dirt.


i like E7 because it abandons alot of the cliche events, and moments that are reoccuring in many Mecha series, E7 is the 1st of its kind, and its an exeptional anime in its own right

Can you give some examples?

[Roland]

Now, about that "RahXephon VS Wedding Peach" topic...

[Ark]

Now, about that "RahXephon VS Wedding Peach" topic...

sounds like a more appropriate comparison.

[Krueger]

sigh... i had hopes that someone who's actually watched Eureka Seven could give their input, but all i see are RahXephon fanatics who wouldnt dare watch another series that would rival their beloved RahXephon.
Haha... I'd probably say the same thing for every Evangelion fan that comes into this board.

[Roland]

sounds like a more appropriate comparison.

It does, doesn't it? Both have female characters after all... or... something...

[Uchiha-Itachi]

Stop the nonsense. Thats untrue, there not so narrow minded to not watch anything but RahXephon. You treat RahXephon fans like dirt.
im not saying their narrow minded but if they havent watched both series how can they make a sound descision? they're entitled to their opinions but how can they reply to the thread if they only have knowledge of one show?

Can you give some examples?
i think the only cliche part of E7 is the, scared, inexperienced pilot who winds up with an extremely powerful mecha, thats where it stops, and seperates itself from the rest of the mecha anime. Their mecha designs are mostly original with few exeptions, they arent fighting aliens after being invaded. The main character isnt some lonely, problem child who just happens to be caught up in a war and FORCED to pilot a mecha. those are just a few examples i can bring out, there are more.

[Levon]

i think the only cliche part of E7 is the, scared, inexperienced pilot who winds up with an extremely powerful mecha, thats where it stops, and seperates itself from the rest of the mecha anime. Their mecha designs are mostly original with few exeptions, they arent fighting aliens after being invaded. The main character isnt some lonely, problem child who just happens to be caught up in a war and FORCED to pilot a mecha. those are just a few examples i can bring out, there are more.

Its good that its not cliche but I don't see why you'd say "E7 is the 1st of its kind". Those example you gave have been done before. The teen pilot is very cliche, but when you think about it most anime star teens because thats the main target of the show.

Eureka 7 reminds me of Overman King Gainer. Might only because the character designer is the same.

[Westlo]

World in ruin, secret organizations, bio mechas, pilot who refuses to kill, crazy female enemy pilot, organized group to fight the ruler party yep sounds 100% original ;)

[Uchiha-Itachi]

oh god, who was talking to this idiot.
anyway...
i said it was the 1st of its kind because of the concept of the show. unable to live on earth, they find a new planet and inhabit it, eventually discovering this strange force reffered to as trappar. creating a popular sport like Liffing. (yes it is Liff) iand i thought it was cool how the mecha themselves liff. even the battleships use trappar waves to fly. Its also has intresting subplots and character backgrounds. Renton is the son of the man that saved the world. Eureka was trained at a young age in the art of combat and war Holland washer commanding officer who saw the grim reality of their purpose and fled the army with eureka Eureka has a strong mental connection with the Type 0 "Nirvage", and renton claims to connect with machines as well. Renton joins the Gekko state to live out his dreams, and not to fight against the ruling Gov't. half the time the gekko state is just trying to make money to eat (Kinda reminds me of a non mecha anime or 2)

[Westlo]

i said it was the 1st of its kind because of the concept of the show. unable to live on earth, they find a new planet and inhabit it

Are you talking about Vandread? Eureka = Heero Yui? Renton has to live in the shadow of his father's name.... what a brand new concept!

I'm sorry Eureka Seven is not original and unique in terms of concept, it doesn't change the fact it's a fantastic show.

Transforming Mecha like Macross (Both designed by Kawamori)
Pilot pulls a Himura Kenshin/Vash/Kira Yamato and doesn't want to kill
Mechas are biological like Dubine & Evangelion
Gekko state = Bebop?

It's funny how RahXephon is a complete copy yet a show you like is highly original and unique. Why do you care if it's original and unique? Being them doesn't mean a show is good.

[Levon]

i said it was the 1st of its kind because of the concept of the show. unable to live on earth, they find a new planet and inhabit it, eventually discovering this strange force reffered to as trappar.

Zoids: Chaotic Century is somewhat like that, although its never said if Earth was inhabitable or not. Humans goto a new planet they call Planet Zi & find these bio machine life forms called Zoids, as well as Organoids. The mystery of the planet are Ancient Zoidian, Organoids & most of all the Zoids Eve.



Why do you care if it's original and unique? Being them doesn't mean a show is good.


Very true, just look at Zeta Gundam. Not very original at all but still great & my favorite anime because its a well written story with great characters, drama, action, etc.

[Westlo]

Isn't Earth uninhabitable in Kiddy Grade as well?

Very true, just look at Zeta Gundam. Not very original at all but still great & my favorite anime because its a well written story with great characters, drama, action, etc.

If you just judged on orignality than First Gundam would be far superior to Zeta, but Zeta is a much more polished show and improves on First Gundam vastly.

Orignality is overated, most things people think is original has been done before anyway.

[Uchiha-Itachi]

Are you talking about Vandread? Eureka = Heero Yui? Renton has to live in the shadow of his father's name.... what a brand new concept!

I'm sorry Eureka Seven is not original and unique in terms of concept, it doesn't change the fact it's a fantastic show.

Transforming Mecha like Macross (Both designed by Kawamori)
Pilot pulls a Himura Kenshin/Vash/Kira Yamato and doesn't want to kill
Mechas are biological like Dubine & Evangelion
Gekko state = Bebop?

It's funny how RahXephon is a complete copy yet a show you like is highly original and unique. Why do you care if it's original and unique? Being them doesn't mean a show is good.
how can you have a valid point if the only mecha it reminds you of is robotech. And no, i dont think the mecha are organic like eva, sorry. I said it is unlike any ote mecha and you say its like cowboy bebop. way to prove my point.
by the way, the gekko state arent bounty hunters, they are a rebellious organization fighting the ruling govt and its shady characters. And all the pilots kill people on a regular basis in battle regardless of what they say.

[Westlo]

Nice too see you dropped your planet thing which you spent most of you last post on. ^^

how can you have a valid point if the only mecha it reminds you of is robotech

And Escaflowne (again same designer), not to mention it's eyes are like Asuka's Eva unit at times.

And no, i dont think the mecha are organic like eva

So the Nirvash moving on it's own and growing into a new shape is what then?

I said it is unlike any ote mecha and you say its like cowboy bebop. way to prove my point.

The Bebop/Gekko has mecha (both designed by Kawamori) and crew hungry for food who do odd jobs.

by the way, the gekko state arent bounty hunters, they are a rebellious organization fighting the ruling govt and its shady characters

And this proves it's unique... how exactly?

And all the pilots kill people on a regular basis in battle regardless of what they say.

Pilots? I never said the plural word for pilot.

[Levon]

by the way, the gekko state arent bounty hunters, they are a rebellious organization fighting the ruling govt and its shady characters. And all the pilots kill people on a regular basis in battle regardless of what they say.

The AEUG(Anti-Earth Union Group) from Zeta Gundam is like that. They are a rebellious resistance organization of former Feds & Zeon fighting the ruling goverment of the Titans and its shady characters like Sirocco, as well as the Neo-Zeon.

[Westlo]

Originality is overated, most things people think is original has been done before anyway.

Quoting For Truth

This last page proves it.

[Roland]

Well, considering the fact that we are currently writing inna forum dedicated to an anime, considered by many to be the most rip-offed thing in the jenre, how could anyone argue that one needs not be original to do something great? Btw, I can't see what's so unique about Eureka either.

[Uchiha-Itachi]

Nice too see you dropped your planet thing which you spent most of you last post on. ^^.
i never stopped i just forgot about it. The "promised land" in Eureka seven isnt reminisent of many planets in other mecha anime is it? it isnt a colony or a base of operations, its humanity's "current" home


And Escaflowne (again same designer), not to mention it's eyes are like Asuka's Eva unit at times..

wow and eva and Nirvage and Type the END have eyes like the dannar in GoDannar... so..


So the Nirvash moving on it's own and growing into a new shape is what then?
umm.. name an ep that explains that Type 0 is organic and then i might believe your argument here. I think i'd no more about this show than most people here viewing this forum.. so make me a beliver that its organic.
the EVA unit 00 regenerated its arm in combat, how can nirvage be organic? it doesnt even have a voice or a heartbeat. EVA does, not to mention EVA has a "true face" nirvage has 1 face.


The Bebop/Gekko has mecha (both designed by Kawamori) and crew hungry for food who do odd jobs.
uhh why are you being so foolish at the moment? they have the same designer im fully aware of that, so of course they'll have at least 1 similarity. unfortunately, this eye bit from before and this crew thing now doesnt prove anything or make a good argument.

uhh... The outlaw star has a crew of bounty hunters who do oddjobs
umm.. the Big O has a man that has a mecha that does weird jobs for people
..Vash the stampede and the two insurance women travel around and do oddjobs.. so none of them are original anime right... u sound ignorant saying these things man give it a rest




Pilots? I never said the plural word for pilot.
u never specified a pilot so im covering the lot of them.

[K' Dash]

itachi-Sama do not get carried away, you may be right but relax

[Westlo]

u never specified a pilot so im covering the lot of them.

If it's not obvious it's Renton than how much of the show have you actually watched? Considering he stops wanting to kill people around the 20 episode mark.

wow and eva and Nirvage and Type the END have eyes like the dannar in GoDannar... so..

I'm stumped at how this proves Eureka Seven's originality.

i never stopped i just forgot about it. The "promised land" in Eureka seven isnt reminisent of many planets in other mecha anime is it? it isnt a colony or a base of operations, its humanity's "current" home

So Eureka Seven was the first mecha series out of hundreads.... AND HUNDREADS to have humanity on another planet?

uhh why are you being so foolish at the moment?

*snip*

u sound ignorant saying these things man give it a rest

It's funny when the shoe is on the other foot isn't it? Rah fans have had to put up with this crap from Eva fans for the last 5 years. Though I must say it's fun doing by best Eva fanatic impersonation ^^

[Gasaraki]

So Eureka Seven was the first mecha series out of hundreads.... AND HUNDREADS to have humanity on another planet?

Just so you know, in E7, humanity isn't on another planet per se.

But...(First off let me say these are going to be very major end-of-the-show spoilers, DO NOT read if you care even the slightest about the story.) what happened was there was an invading force, though not originally malevolent, it eventually took over the earth. Humans leave and come across Earth again, but after it's been reshaped by the invaders and it is not known to be the earth, they resettle there making new discovers about the plant thinking it's an entirely different one, scroll ahead years and years and you get the beginning of E7. The final episodes cover the discovery of this fact. So it's a little like Planet of hte apes, except it's not that the face of the planet was changed, just that it was covered in a "shell"

ANYWAY, Itachi, I don't see how you can say the show is SO exceptionally original. It isn't to that extent. What's truly great about the series is the character development and especially the love story between the main characters, Renton and Eureka. Which is, I think, better than any show I've seen, and way better than anything non-romance genre based. As well as the story being quite good =)

[K' Dash]

soorry abt my brother, sometimes he gets a lil out of hand, i think i wouldve made a better agument on his behalf seeing how ive finished the series and he hasn't

[K' Dash]

i think what my brothers agument was, that scince it's so hard for mecha anime to BE original in even some respects, as Van helped prove, that this is the best try we've seen, in quite a long time, what i think makes it original is the story, the progression of the story throughout the series, and the characters and their development. fact is you cant name an anime unoriginal because it shares such simple similarities, and so Little similarities at that, to other anime. its not like Eureka was said to copy this anime and that anime, furthermore, you cant even comare the entire series to another whole mecha series, they'd be too different. NOTHING can be completely original anymore because theres been so many before it, but to be even this original and still be a great anime is extraodinary

[some_random_guy]

i love rahxephon but eureka seven is my favorite show ever it was the one that got me into anime in fact the first 4 dvds i got were eureka seven vol 1-4

[Westlo]

Ayato > Renton. Close thread.