Devil May Cry 3 SE Vs. God Of War?

[chaos link]

I know this is pointless but my friend and I got into an argument after saying that God of War is far better than DMC3. So wich do you think is preferable?

[Rahxephon91]

DMC3. Dont know why but I found DMC3 to be more enjoyable. Its just damn cool doing Dante's moves. I just found the game's amotosphere to be kicka$$. I atcually felt badass while playing it. I'm turly glad I bought it. As for GOW, it's a good game. I feel its a little overated though. Its not the best action game ever.

[chaos link]

Hum. I see, I guess it's the matter of one's own opinion.

[Professor Funk]

God Of War is so much better then DMC3 it is not even funny. God Of War has a much better story and much cooler combos and weapons. The Boss battles are also not INSANLY DIFFICULT. Plus I like the whole Greek Mythology thing. All in all KRATOS PWNS DANTE...

[Rahxephon91]

So because a game is difficult its bad?

Also Dante is a much better character then Kratos.

GOW story is simple. Good,the equvliant to a summer movie. What all games should try to emulate

DMC3's story isnt that great.

GOW has what, 4 boss battles.

[Professor Funk]

So because a game is difficult its bad?

Also Dante is a much better character then Kratos.




Whatever... I think Kratos is like what every Male wishes he could be. Plus Kratos would rip Dante to shreads... But lets not get into that. Kratos is so awsome I don't see how anyone could say that Dante is a better character.

[Rahxephon91]

I dont know. Dante does hang with some preatty girls.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c4/DMC_Trish.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DMC_Lady.jpg

[Professor Funk]

I dont know. Dante does hang with some preatty girls.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c4/DMC_Trish.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DMC_Lady.jpg

Still Dante did not have a mini game where he could bang chicks...

[Neo0tak0n]

Both are great, GoW is better.

[_jwb388_]

Anything Rah says about DMC3 I agree. I like Dmc3's story, the challenge is the greatest part of the game. I played that game for over 40+ hours. GoW is way to repetitive to me. Good game but DMC is better. Dante1 is way cooler than Kratos/Dante3.

[chaos link]

Anything Rah says about DMC3 I agree. I like Dmc3's story, the challenge is the greatest part of the game. I played that game for over 40+ hours. GoW is way to repetitive to me. Good game but DMC is better. Dante1 is way cooler than Kratos/Dante3.If your talking about Vergil's story it's probably the most pointless thing yet. Nothing much said or I'm just too hard core to see why it is even in there. The only thing that is good about the DMC3 now is the difficulty and Vergil. The Bloody Palace isn't challenging enough unlike the GOD's watchamacallitthingamagigchallenge it's worth playing (even though I get pissed retrying over and over for 5 hours). Also fighting a 50 story high monster in GOD is hard core.

[_jwb388_]

i don't have the SE version.

[germanturkey]

yeah.. two words: god mode... <= hardest gameplay in recent years..

and yeah, challange of the gods is a ***** to do... you have to do everything percisely or else you lose

[Ikari Warrior]

So because a game is difficult its bad?
Exactly. I get bored with too-easy games, as do a lot of people, I'm sure. DMC3 has an undeniably steep learning curve. Even on the easier SE, I got extremely frustrated on NORMAL. Once I got the hang of it though, it's a blast.

Also Dante is a much better character then Kratos.
That's debatable. Both characters have their ups and downs. Kratos is interesting because he slaughtered his family, and sold his soul to Ares. Dante is interesting because he's a half-demon who seems to care more about humanity than demon-kind. Dante's twin brother also adds some spice to his story.

Kratos is seemingly your run-of-the-mill meathead with that "don't give a damn bad ***" attitude. Dante's personality is the same, but he's more of a "cool" bad ***, while Kratos is more of an "angry" bad ***.

GOW story is simple. Good,the equvliant to a summer movie. What all games should try to emulate

DMC3's story isnt that great.

I disagree here. God of war's story was simple, and it was the equivalent of a summer movie, but that didn't make it "good" in my eyes. Really, I could take-or-leave the whole Athena Burning Down aspect, but GOW's story is definitely not what all games should try to emulate.

DMC3's story, OTOH, was better than God of War's, and better than the other two DMC games. You had intrigue, you had magic, you had deception, all with an overwhelming theme of dysfunctional families (that actually works pretty well). Two brothers, destined to fight forever, and a daughter seeking revenge against her father for her mother's death...that's pretty deep.

Kratos' story by comparison was more of a sob story and a "do what the gods tell you" sort of thing.

GOW has what, 4 boss battles.

Three, actually. The Hydra, the minotaur, and Ares (unless you consider each individual fight with Ares a boss battle, then it might be upped to 5 or 6).

I dont know. Dante does hang with some preatty girls.

Trish really ain't that pretty...and if there was a sex minigame in DMC, I probably wouldn't hit that.

God Of War has a much better story and much cooler combos and weapons. The Boss battles are also not INSANLY DIFFICULT.

I already covered the story, so I'll go on about the combos & weapons. Kratos has two weapons (not including magic). Dante has 5 (not including guns). The Chaos blades are definitely awesome. The combos you can do with them are very impressive. However, those are the only really good weapons in the game. The Artemis Blade isn't very impressive at all. I suspect that weapon was half-assed, because it's not very fun to use at all.

God of War's gameplay is much simpler than DMC3's. GOW has the chaos blades, and the context-sensitive attacks (i.e. ripping the head off a medusa with an "X" over its head). GOW is also much glitchier, causing Kratos to do the standard "grab" maneuver when you're trying to execute a context-sensitive attack.

Devil May Cry 3, on the other hand, has the more rewarding gameplay. There are four unique styles to master, plus two more to unlock (they don't really require "mastering" though). Yeah, it's harder; you have to be a bit "twitchier", but most enemy attacks can be dodged with a simple jump. You have five weapons to choose from, two to equip at a time, and you can switch on the fly.

God of War has magic, Most of which is extremely powerful, is upgradable, and will clear the screen of baddies, or at least lend you a hand to that effect. In fact, my only real complaint with that game was Zeus' lightening bolts; 90% of the time, those were just useless. There is virtually no need at all to snipe in GOW, and that's basically all the lightening bolts were good for.

Devil May Cry 3 has guns, which range in power, are upgradable, and have infinite ammunition. Each gun has its idiosyncracies, and once again, the rifle doesn't really serve much purpose (though I'm sure SOMEONE has found a use for it).

In terms of raw enjoyment, GOW can definitely be more cathartic. It's easier, it's simpler, and you can run up to bad guys and rip them in freakin' half.

However, DMC3 has kept me hooked, and I'll put it in and play a mission or two when I'm bored. The Special Edition is even more incentive, because Vergil freakin' rocks. Being able to play as Nelo Angelo, 4/5 years after DMC1 makes the SE totally worth it.

Also, you can do the math:
DMC3:SE
2 playable characters +
Dante's 5 melee weapons +
Vergil's 3 melee weapons +
Dante's 5 guns +
Vergil's 1 spiral swords +
Dante's 6 fighting styles +
Vergil's 1 fighting style =

23

GOW:
1 playable character +
2 melee weapons +
4 spells =

7

No matter how you slice it, DMC3:SE is the better game, but GOW ain't too shabby.

[germanturkey]

more fighting styles does not make a better game. reviewers everywhere agree that as a game, God of War is better than DMC3. the mechanics are better, the controls are tighter, and for me, the concept is better.

[Ikari Warrior]

more fighting styles does not make a better game.
true, but that's made all the difference for me.
reviewers everywhere agree that as a game, God of War is better than DMC3.
I'm not sure how they arrived at that conclusion. I played both games, and find DMC3 to be the better game. I should note that I've only played the Special Edition; I don't know if the reviewers compared the SE to GOW.
the mechanics are better,
GOW is glitchy
the controls are tighter,
not by much, but I agree
and for me, the concept is better.
for me, the concept is the same :blink:

[u_nick]

i am a GoW fan

i startedplaying the first DMC once (rented) but never went back to it

i hope to try the whole series one day in the future.

[Ikari Warrior]

i startedplaying the first DMC once (rented) but never went back to it

i hope to try the whole series one day in the future.

do yourself a favor and skip DMC2

[Solid_Snake]

God Of War is so much better then DMC3 it is not even funny. God Of War has a much better story and much cooler combos and weapons. The Boss battles are also not INSANLY DIFFICULT. Plus I like the whole Greek Mythology thing. All in all KRATOS PWNS DANTE...
You have not played DMC3 I am asuming?

DMC:3 PWNs the living daylights out of GOW.

[chaos link]

In terms of raw enjoyment, GOW can definitely be more cathartic. It's easier, it's simpler, and you can run up to bad guys and rip them in freakin' half(Made me choke on my Pepsi) Anyways, I guess it really matters on whats your opinion about the game.
It's like...
If you like Blood and Gore: GOD
If you want hard core button mashing: DMC3 SE

[Solid_Snake]

DMC3's story isnt that great.
I call BS. It has an amazing story.

[Ikari Warrior]

(Made me choke on my Pepsi) Anyways, I guess it really matters on whats your opinion about the game.
It's like...
If you like Blood and Gore: GOD
If you want hard core button mashing: DMC3 SE

GOW has its fair share of button mashing, too. some things may require timing, but overall, it's no different than DMC. It takes more than blood & gore to sell a game, that's how it is for me, anyway.

I suppose I should add in that while Vergil's quest doesn't have any story (except at the beginning), it's still a ton of fun playing dante's missions with vergil.

[Rahxephon91]

Trish really ain't that pretty...and if there was a sex minigame in DMC, I probably wouldn't hit that.
ok ok. Persoanly I think Lady looks better but I couldent find a good picture.
more fighting styles does not make a better game. reviewers everywhere agree that as a game, God of War is better than DMC3. the mechanics are better, the controls are tighter, and for me, the concept is better.So I'm guessing more combos make a game then? Reviwers also say FFX-2 is a good game.
f you want hard core button mashing: DMC3 SE
Theres is far more button mashing in GOW.

I call BS. It has an amazing story.
Ok the story is ok. I dont know about deep though.

Also, DMC has better music.

[kenshinbebop]

DMC3 all the way. Playing as Vergil kicked serious ***. The story is cliche, yet absolutely fabulous. I found it not hard, but entertaining. GoW was good, but DMC3 is better. And yes, Dante IS cooler than Kratos.



Also, DMC has better music.

Truth.



PS:Nothing can beat DMC3 cut scenes(except of course FFX cutscenes). But I mean action wise...where else have you seen a character surf around on an enemy corpse, go up a pool table jump, then shoot the pool balls so they hit every enemy. OH YEAH!!!


And HEY! Don't be dissin' FFX2.

[Loopy]

Rah, please ditch the zealous fangirl act. It's annoying seeing you start a pseudo mini-debate over the most trivial of things in every goddamn topic.

Oh and DMC3 w00t, w00t, w00t.

[Rahxephon91]

Rah, please ditch the zealous fangirl act. It's annoying seeing you start a pseudo mini-debate over the most trivial of things in every goddamn topic.

Oh and DMC3 w00t, w00t, w00t.
Why do you think my title says what it does?

Besides if anyone is taking this serious, they have some problems.

[Jae Hoon]

God of War was better, simply because it was more fun to play.

[MightyDustLoop]

Different strokes for different folks. Personally, I prefer God of War. But then steep learning curves are not for me. I kind of feel like I shouldn't have to force that much dedication to have fun and that's just not why I play games. DMC makes my hand numb every time I pick that thing up. But I'd imagine there's a far superior playing crowd out there who likes a challenge and prefers DMC. Good for them, but it's just tough on me.

Doesn't hurt that I've taken a few mythology classes. God of War may take all sorts of liberties, but it's nice seeing some takes on characters I've studied. I also like it's very epic feel, complemented by orchestrated tracks and very high production values. One of the closer experiences to being the hero in a kick arse action flick.

[CrossboneGundam]

Devil May Cry 3 comes out ahead for me, simply because God of War is so tasteless. "Hey, let's put half naked women everywhere in the game!" "Why?" "Because that makes it totally mature, duh! Didn't you ever play Conker on N64?!" "Oh, I get you now! If we make a game with boobies, we can be grownups!"

[Professor Funk]

Devil May Cry 3 still had bad camera angles at times though. Even though they fixed it ALOT from DMC1 and 2. From what everyone is saying though I guess it's just a matter of sheer fun to a learning curve style of play.

Most reviews do come out with GOW on top though as someone else said...

If DMC4 is launching for the PS3 will GOW2 be coming out around that time????? I forget...

[Ikari Warrior]

GOW2 is supposedly coming soon, versus DMC4 which has no official release date, but will probably not be a launch title for the PS3.

[Ikari Warrior]

Besides if anyone is taking this serious, they have some problems.

Yeah, seriously. I'm really rather enjoying this discussion. There was a similar one last year when both games were new, but I hadn't played either of them. Now I get to participate! YAY!!!!! ^_^

God of War was better, simply because it was more fun to play.

I'm surprised to see this. Last year when everyone was going on and on about how great a game GOW was, you were pointing out its flaws. I didn't really notice them until you said something :lol:

That's my primary gripe with GOW. The context-sensitive attacks don't work sometimes, and they won't work when you REALLY need them to (i.e., in a group of enemies). That few seconds of invincibility makes all the difference. Also I've experienced the strangest glitches, like a weight on a rope not going all the way down, and thus not pressing a switch, or trying to run through some doors that are closing, and I could squeeze through, but the game doesn't let me, so I have to do that puzzle over again. Also, by the end, I got really tired of fighting the same bad guys over and over again. Annubises and cerberuses were my least favorite bad guys, and they kept throwin' 'em at me.

Of course, DMC3 has its flaws; mainly trying to do a combo-move, and not being able to pull it off, but that's such a minute control issue that it's never really bothered me.

[Sendo Takeshi]

It's like...
If you like Blood and Gore: GOD
If you want hard core button mashing: DMC3 SE



I hardly doubt that DMC3 has button mashing in it. You'd be surprised at all the combo videos I've seen for this game. Those are some of the most sickest combos that each style has. So, it's hardly button mashing. But then again, I play a lot of fighting games so my fingers are programmed to not mash anything.

Also, I see GOW as what PoP2 should have been and more.

P.S. To GermanTurkey: Fuk reviewers. They don't know crap about games half the time and I doubt all of them agree with GOW being the best thing since sliced bread.

DMC3 has the better combat system overall. It's deeper and has more variety. It's like the Street Fighter Zero 3 of the series.

[germanturkey]

FFX-2 was a great game. the story was a little bleh, but the mechanics (core) of the game rocked

[guyverfanboy]

FFX-2 was a great game. the story was a little bleh, but the mechanics (core) of the game rocked

What does that have to do with God of War or Devil May Cry? :huh:

[kenshinbebop]

What does that have to do with God of War or Devil May Cry? :huh:

Because an above poster said something about it being bad...or something along that effect.

In fact, FFX-2 was a great game IMO. Yes the story was meh, but the music, gamepaly, and fighting system were all great. As was Spherebreak. ALL HAIL SPHEREBREAK!

[germanturkey]

^^ exactly. if the mechanics are good, then the game is good. and God of War's mechanics are better than DMC3

[Jae Hoon]

Oh no GOW has its flaws, it isnt a great game it is a good game. It is just alittle bit better then DMC3.

[earsofdoom]

DMC, back in my earilier day's of video game's i probabely would have said GOW becouse of all the blood and gore but ive since taken more of a likeing to style and challangeing gameplay.... and honestly the threesome minigame i found almost offensive as a way to get peaple to play it. i loved Devil may cry's devil hunter ranking it always rewarded me for kicking ***, eventually the game's difficulty mould's you into an action gameing god (i played GOW right after it and just walked through it like it was nothing) i find these day's games are lacking challange and DMC gave me challange... something i haven't had in a LONG time

[germanturkey]

^^ like i said.. god mode = harder than nightmare mode

[NGT]

Devil May Cry is MUCH better than God of War. There is no comparison.

[Roxxas]

I like the style of Devil May Cry more then GOW. So its DMC for me. I do like mythology though.

[germanturkey]

Devil May Cry is MUCH better than God of War. There is no comparison.
and your reasoning is?

thats not what most reviewers seem to say about it

[MightyDustLoop]

Well, it's been "popular" on the online community to choose DMC over GOW for a while now. It apparently makes you hardcore.

The funny thing about the online community is people get the impression that hating on that which is "mainstream" makes them "hardcore". But then everyone online attempts to do it so as not to look like a "noob", and who in the hell knows what's really mainstream or hardcore anymore. It's sheer stupidity sometimes.

I think the lesson to learn is just play what you like, and if you ever talk about it online, bring a pooper scooper because you're going to be covered in BS no matter what side of the fence you're on.

[Roxxas]

Good post loop.

but are you saying anyone who likes DMC is just chosing it over GOW so they can be considered hardcore?

Sounds like a good idea for a thread- What is hardcore?

[kenshinbebop]

I am deffinately not. I played through all the modes of both games and DMC is deff better. It's moreof a challenge, cool moves, different weapons, play as another character with even MORE weapons and moves, and an all around smooth gameplay.

And for the record, 90% of the time I disagree with reviewers. So I don't even go by reviews anymore.

[NGT]

and your reasoning is?

thats not what most reviewers seem to say about it

Well then I have to disagree with the reviews. But they were both very close so it really a matter of opinoin and also Gamespot lowered DMC3's score because it was too hard.( Then with SE they lowered the score even more because now it was too easy <_< friggin Kalvskin make up your mind.)

The reason I like DMC3 more is because there is much more strategy and thinking involved than in God of War. For most of the enemies you can button mash. I also like the style of DMC much more.

[kenshinbebop]

and also Gamespot lowered DMC3's score because it was too hard.


That really makes me mad. If you want a trivially easy game, go play The Incredibles or something. The more challenging the game the better. I mean, you don't want it so you can't even get psat the first level, but you want something that when you complete it, you're proud to have conquered such a thing. And DMC3 was like that. Everytime I hear someone whine about the difficulty of it, I cringe.

[MightyDustLoop]

That really makes me mad. If you want a trivially easy game, go play The Incredibles or something. The more challenging the game the better. I mean, you don't want it so you can't even get psat the first level, but you want something that when you complete it, you're proud to have conquered such a thing. And DMC3 was like that. Everytime I hear someone whine about the difficulty of it, I cringe.

I disagree with that big time. Difficulty is hard work. I play games to have fun, not to spend hours "learning" how to play the game. I like the necessity for growth and skill, but to a point. My greedy persona wants something easy to play, and easy to beat, but hard to master.

[kenshinbebop]

I disagree with that big time. Difficulty is hard work. I play games to have fun, not to spend hours "learning" how to play the game. I like the necessity for growth and skill, but to a point. My greedy persona wants something easy to play, and easy to beat, but hard to master.


Okay I see where your coming from, but don't you want an ounce of challenge? To me, breezing through a game takes away from the fun factor. Even God mode on GoW wasn't incredibly hard. Heaven or Hell mode in DMC3 was 5x harder. But anyway, to each his own.

[MightyDustLoop]

Good post loop.

but are you saying anyone who likes DMC is just chosing it over GOW so they can be considered hardcore?

Sounds like a good idea for a thread- What is hardcore?

Not at all. It's perfectly fine to prefer DMC, but I have to believe a lot of it is not genuine.

As for "hardcore", I think people innately associate the term with "veteran" or "connoisseur". Someone who tends to believe he has taste so sophisticated the masses cannot simply understand it, and he innately develops a distaste for that which is well received, high budget, and/or popular, especially if it's by younger crowds or often others of his own age. The preconceived notion of sophisticated taste is "older" taste after all.

I think the problem arises in that the emotions begin to develop before the game has yet been played, causing the recipient to innately dismiss it even before he plays it. Then he tries it, but fails to realize he's not doing so with an open mind, and in doing so he's actually following MORE preconceived notions and less of his actual taste than a mainstream gamer. He's totally shut it out before touching it. Ah, the gaming elite!

Hopefully, most of us can remain on middle ground, where common sense and an open mind are the doctrines of the day. But hell, being an "elite" or a "mainstreamer" certainly makes it easier to keep up with the games you wish to play.

BTW, I actually prefer Gaiden to both these games, and that's hard as holy hell. Never beat that one either. I get frustrated pretty damn easy.

[Professor Funk]

Not at all. It's perfectly fine to prefer DMC, but I have to believe a lot of it is not genuine.

As for "hardcore", I think people innately associate the term with "veteran" or "connoisseur". Someone who tends to believe he has taste so sophisticated the masses cannot simply understand it, and he innately develops a distaste for that which is well received, high budget, and/or popular, especially if it's by younger crowds or often others of his own age. The preconceived notion of sophisticated taste is "older" taste after all.

I think the problem arises in that the emotions begin to develop before the game has yet been played, causing the recipient to innately dismiss it even before he plays it. Then he tries it, but fails to realize he's not doing so with an open mind, and in doing so he's actually following MORE preconceived notions and less of his actual taste than a mainstream gamer. He's totally shut it out before touching it. Ah, the gaming elite!

Hopefully, most of us can remain on middle ground, where common sense and an open mind are the doctrines of the day. But hell, being an "elite" or a "mainstreamer" certainly makes it easier to keep up with the games you wish to play.

BTW, I actually prefer Gaiden to both these games, and that's hard as holy hell. Never beat that one either. I get frustrated pretty damn easy.

I would still say DMC3 is just a bit harder then Ninja Gaiden, Although Ninja Gaiden is a better game.

Here is my order: God Of War, Ninja Gaiden, Devil May Cry 3...

[gameoffreak8]

Go with God of War.

[Rahxephon91]

Yes, I frogot about Ninjia Gaiden. I love Team Ninja's games. That game is really hard. I only got pass the airship level. Hmm now that I think about it this choice is really tuff. I'll have to go buy Ninja Gaiden black now, so I can actually finish it this time. Anyway all 3 are good games.

[soulreaper]

Look, I think DMC3 is better, and I don't care what reviewers have to say about it. My favorite thing about it is the style. That just hit the nail on the head for me.

Reviewers are people with opinions, just like us. It's not like they have any special talent, gift, or diploma from the "School of Opinion Giving." My saying DMC3 is better than GoW is just as valid a statement as their saying GoW is better than DMC3.

[Ikari Warrior]

Not at all. It's perfectly fine to prefer DMC, but I have to believe a lot of it is not genuine.

That's why I tend to give long, essay-ish posts regarding why, specifically, I like each game, and why I prefer one over the other.

As for "hardcore", I think people innately associate the term with "veteran" or "connoisseur". Someone who tends to believe he has taste so sophisticated the masses cannot simply understand it, and he innately develops a distaste for that which is well received, high budget, and/or popular, especially if it's by younger crowds or often others of his own age. The preconceived notion of sophisticated taste is "older" taste after all.

Yeah, some gamers seem to have this almost bourgoise opinion on the mainstream. Some people love GOW because it isn't DMC, and that's the only real reason they like GOW. It's the opposite for others, that they like DMC because it's capcom, or some people simply dislike sony's (few) first-party titles.

I think the problem arises in that the emotions begin to develop before the game has yet been played, causing the recipient to innately dismiss it even before he plays it.

TRUTH. This is why I'm so vocal in this particular discussion. About this time last year, this same discussion was taking place, and I had only played GOW, so I couldn't really participate then because I hadn't played the other game. Having played and beaten them both, I enjoy DMC a lot more, but GOW is still a great game to have in your collection.

Then he tries it, but fails to realize he's not doing so with an open mind, and in doing so he's actually following MORE preconceived notions and less of his actual taste than a mainstream gamer. He's totally shut it out before touching it. Ah, the gaming elite!

Yeah, that bugs me. When I played DMC3 back when a friend brought it over a while ago, I wasn't too thrilled with it, mainly because GOW was so fresh in my mind. Having put GOW down for long enough, I see that they're both great games in their own right.

Hopefully, most of us can remain on middle ground, where common sense and an open mind are the doctrines of the day. But hell, being an "elite" or a "mainstreamer" certainly makes it easier to keep up with the games you wish to play.

Middle ground is idea. Being "elite" or "mainstream" might help you determine what you want, but it causes you to miss out on some really great titles.

BTW, I actually prefer Gaiden to both these games, and that's hard as holy hell. Never beat that one either. I get frustrated pretty damn easy.

Never played Gaiden because XBOX SUCKS!!!!111!11

j/k. I simply don't own an Xbox, so I cannot make a critical review of Ninja Gaiden one way or another; that's a discussion for another thread.

[Solid_Snake]

and your reasoning is?

thats not what most reviewers seem to say about it
Your point? Reviewers opinions are just as good as the next Man's.

Well, it's been "popular" on the online community to choose DMC over GOW for a while now. It apparently makes you hardcore.
Or I just plain liked DMC3 more. Ever thought of that one? :)

[germanturkey]

reviewers probably play more video games than you ever will in your lifetime. they've played everything from a to z, i think they'll know a game is better than the next

[Rahxephon91]

But they are still people. There reviews are just opinions, maybe not as bias as your Final Fantasy fanboy but there still just people.

[soulreaper]

reviewers probably play more video games than you ever will in your lifetime. they've played everything from a to z, i think they'll know a game is better than the next

So what? You think that playing a lot of games (if they even have played more games than me) eliminates a person's bias? Think again. Once a fanboy, always a fanboy. Not to mention, these "gods of opinions" are also subject to pressure by whatever happens to be popular or "in" at the moment.

[Westlo]

GoW though DMC3 was pretty damn good as well.

[getter77]

Tension appears to be running high. Luckily, I have the solution:

http://speeddemosarchive.com/news.html

Watch the runs for GoW and the ones done SO FAR for vanilla DMC3 (more DMC vids are in progress)

Everybody wins.

[Shanks]

Speed Runs are fun to watch lol. Anyway, I havent played God of War (seen it) but it looks pretty fun and I've only played the first Devil May Cry but it was really good. If it comes to characters, Dante looks cooler just cause Kratos is bald lol (bald people dont usually look cool to me). Either way, if anyone is looking for a good hack and slash (my favorite actually) then go for Chaos Legion. Kinda underrated and everything but I like the summons and I had fun playing it, even though i lost some sleep haha.

[Professor Funk]

Speed Runs are fun to watch lol. Anyway, I havent played God of War (seen it) but it looks pretty fun and I've only played the first Devil May Cry but it was really good. If it comes to characters, Dante looks cooler just cause Kratos is bald lol (bald people dont usually look cool to me). Either way, if anyone is looking for a good hack and slash (my favorite actually) then go for Chaos Legion. Kinda underrated and everything but I like the summons and I had fun playing it, even though i lost some sleep haha.

If you want hack and slash go DW... lol

I understand that you think Dante is cooler then Kratos, but damn give GOW a chance before you assume that anybody is cooler then my main man Kratos...

[gameoffreak8]

I would still say DMC3 is just a bit harder then Ninja Gaiden, Although Ninja Gaiden is a better game.

Here is my order: God Of War, Ninja Gaiden, Devil May Cry 3...
Oh yeah, I am forget about Ninja Gaiden. But it is for Xbox only..

[Ikari Warrior]

Either way, if anyone is looking for a good hack and slash (my favorite actually) then go for Chaos Legion. Kinda underrated and everything but I like the summons and I had fun playing it, even though i lost some sleep haha.

I bought chaos legion a long while back. It's more of a Drakengard-type game than a DMC game. Chaos Legion is a more demonic take on the Dynasty Warriors Genre, versus DMC and GOW, which are the action-platform genre. I don't classify either of them as hack 'n slash games, because there's a lot of jumping, dodging, and other such things.

It's ironic, really. Chaos Legion generally has more monsters on screen at a given time, yet DMC and GOW feel like there's more going on...either way Chaos Legion isn't a bad game, but it needed some refinement, too.

[MightyDustLoop]

If you want hack and slash go DW... lol

I understand that you think Dante is cooler then Kratos, but damn give GOW a chance before you assume that anybody is cooler then my main man Kratos...

This is true. I thought baldy didn't even look intimidating with his dumb goatee and mighty mouse tattoos. Badass? I thought my image of one must have been different from the accepted "norm".

But then I played the game....

Dude's a monster. Bone's crunch with every blow and he rips whimpering creatures in half with his bare hands. The guy is pretty damn disturbing.

[earsofdoom]

What was up with GOW's boss battles? even though they were pretty easy it was like they got easier as you went, the very end battle was like a joke (apperantly in the GOW universe the Title "God" doesn't carry much weight), DMC 3 IMO had the superior end boss battle, it was challangeing and it was owesome.

[Ikari Warrior]

It's interesting that you say that, considering GOW ended with Kratos basically getting the powers of a god, and fighting a god, while DMC has twin brothers with virtually identical powers battling it out.

And I HATED fighting Ares at the end. Maybe I just suck at the game, but I had a real hard time beating the "tug of war" portion, where you & ares basically shared a life bar. It was so gratifying finishing that a-hole off.

[Professor Funk]

What was up with GOW's boss battles? even though they were pretty easy it was like they got easier as you went, the very end battle was like a joke (apperantly in the GOW universe the Title "God" doesn't carry much weight), DMC 3 IMO had the superior end boss battle, it was challangeing and it was owesome.

Maybe the game is so easy because Kratos is so kick-***, ever thought of that... lol

[Solid_Snake]

reviewers probably play more video games than you ever will in your lifetime. they've played everything from a to z, i think they'll know a game is better than the next
Are you freaking kidding? I have played thousands of Games, even alot nobody has ever heard of. And I do it on leasure, and am not forced.(I can tell some reviewers give Games bad reviews without even completing them, or simply giving them bad reviews in spite of them having to play it.) I actually know some reviewers, they don't play as much games as you think they do.

Saying that, you must agree that Adam Sessler and Morgan Webb have a better opinion? Please, most reviews I have read seemed more biased then helpful. Most reviewers just plain don't know how to review Games.

So GTFO with that stuff, reviewers opinions are just as good as mine. End of story.

EDIT: And that whole "They play more Games then you will in your life" is just plain retarded. They must lend me thier Hyperbolic time chamber, as I probably game more a day then they do, on my own leasure, with a job, and have been doing so since I was a kid.

Good day.

[Haruhi]

GoW. There's something vastly fun about swinging your maxed out chaos swords,which leave a dazzling, glowing blur.

That and the puzzles were pretty clever.

[germanturkey]

well, think about it like this. they play games for their jobs. they play pre-release builds, see how a game evolves, see how much it improves over time. i play a hell of a lot of games too, so will people take my advice over those of professional reviewers? probably not. their words are opinions too, but they carry more weight than normal peoples.

and this thread is like comparing Virtual Fighter to Soul Calibur. each is good in their own right, both have better features than the other, but when the day is through, more people will say Virtual Figher is better than Soul Cailbur

[Professor Funk]

Are you freaking kidding? I have played thousands of Games, even alot nobody has ever heard of. And I do it on leasure, and am not forced.(I can tell some reviewers give Games bad reviews without even completing them, or simply giving them bad reviews in spite of them having to play it.) I actually know some reviewers, they don't play as much games as you think they do.

Saying that, you must agree that Adam Sessler and Morgan Webb have a better opinion? Please, most reviews I have read seemed more biased then helpful. Most reviewers just plain don't know how to review Games.

So GTFO with that stuff, reviewers opinions are just as good as mine. End of story.

EDIT: And that whole "They play more Games then you will in your life" is just plain retarded. They must lend me thier Hyperbolic time chamber, as I probably game more a day then they do, on my own leasure, with a job, and have been doing so since I was a kid.

Good day.

Obviously you don't know what a good game is if Max Payne is your 3rd favorite game... lol J/K but c'mon Max Payne sucks... I think with your vast knowledge you can think of a game better then Max Payne...

And of course Virtua Fighter is better then Soul Caliber... SC is not even close to VF...

[Solid_Snake]

Obviously you don't know what a good game is if Max Payne is your 3rd favorite game... lol J/K but c'mon Max Payne sucks... I think with your vast knowledge you can think of a game better then Max Payne...

Max Payne rocked. Seriuosly, you want my thierd favourite to be Halo? :P

But really. I had a real awsome time with it. Sure reviewers my have hated it, but that's where opinions differ.

[Solid_Snake]

well, think about it like this. they play games for their jobs. they play pre-release builds, see how a game evolves, see how much it improves over time. i play a hell of a lot of games too, so will people take my advice over those of professional reviewers? probably not. their words are opinions too, but they carry more weight than normal peoples.

and this thread is like comparing Virtual Fighter to Soul Calibur. each is good in their own right, both have better features than the other, but when the day is through, more people will say Virtual Figher is better than Soul Cailbur
I can agree with that.

But this reminded me of a friend of mine, who was arguing and saying that Silent Hill sucked, simply because the Penny Arcade crew said so on thier Pod Cast... I just don't believe that other people have a "higher" opinion then the rest, but the way you just described it makes more sense. I have been known to be wrong... A lot.

No offense by that last post, I blew up for no good reason. My apolagies.

[Professor Funk]

Max Payne rocked. Seriuosly, you want my thierd favourite to be Halo? :P

But really. I had a real awsome time with it. Sure reviewers my have hated it, but that's where opinions differ.


Halo is only a good online game, So actually Halo 2 ranks probably around a 6 or 7 on my online list.... The Max Payne commercials were about the only good thing about the damn game...

[Rahxephon91]

Max Payne is actually really great. I personaly like the 2nd one alot more(I know Solid dosent) The style of the game is awsome and both sport about the best gun play for a 3rd person action game this generation.

[Solid_Snake]

The Max Payne commercials were about the only good thing about the damn game...
Explain. I don't get what you mean. :)


Max Payne is actually really great. I personaly like the 2nd one alot more(I know Solid dosent) The style of the game is awsome and both sport about the best gun play for a 3rd person action game this generation.
I inoyed MP2... It just sorta disapointed me.

I loved the story from the first one, but the second seemed forced in that department.(The whole Vlad thing, kinda turned me off.)

[Bluemizu]

Ah, yes, DMC3 or GoW, the ever eternal debate. I had rented GoW a while back without a ton of expections because I had heard varied opinions about the game and really had to try it out for myself so I could tell if I'd like it. Now I can say that I do prefer DMC3 over it. GoW had good controls but much of the time I felt like I was button-mashing. I didn't feel as much satisfaction pulling off combos in GoW compared to DMC3. There are a bunch of random small things in GoW that didn't click with me, but for the most part the game was pretty good.

[Professor Funk]

Explain. I don't get what you mean. :)



I inoyed MP2... It just sorta disapointed me.

I loved the story from the first one, but the second seemed forced in that department.(The whole Vlad thing, kinda turned me off.)

On the commercials I really liked when he went in slow motion, but then when I went into the game I thought the slow motion sucked... Max Payne was really just an average game that I disliked... I don't think it is worthy of any gamers 3rd spot on there favorite games list...

[Solid_Snake]

On the commercials I really liked when he went in slow motion, but then when I went into the game I thought the slow motion sucked... Max Payne was really just an average game that I disliked... I don't think it is worthy of any gamers 3rd spot on there favorite games list...
And I could say the same about any other Game series....

[germanturkey]

hmmmm.. having bought DMC3SE, i must say, it is quite the game...

[Loopy]

DMC3 by far. God of War is terribly overrated.

[brolylssj95]

both are excellent but god of war still has a better story and character

[_jwb388_]

both are excellent but god of war still has a better story and character

One character doesn't make a game.

[Danju]

DMC3 by far. God of War is terribly overrated.
DMC3 sucked, too, but I couldn't agree more. God of War is TERRIBLY overrated. I really didn't have fun with that game at all.

[brolylssj95]

when it comes to a story like that yes kratos made the story flow a lot better

[NGT]

One character doesn't make a game.

If your talking about gameplay I guess it doesn't matter much, but for story it matters alot especailly if it is the main character.

[Ikari Warrior]

DMC3 sucked, too, but I couldn't agree more. God of War is TERRIBLY overrated. I really didn't have fun with that game at all.
Perhaps you don't like the genre these two games are a part of? GOW and DMC3 both represent the best in the genre. If you think that DMC3 sucked, and GOW was no fun at all, then perhaps you simply dislike the genre as a whole. I would be interested in hearing why you think these games "sucked" and were so unenjoyable.

[Danju]

Perhaps you don't like the genre these two games are a part of? GOW and DMC3 both represent the best in the genre. If you think that DMC3 sucked, and GOW was no fun at all, then perhaps you simply dislike the genre as a whole. I would be interested in hearing why you think these games "sucked" and were so unenjoyable.
I don't particularly hate the genre...I enjoyed the first Devil May Cry. The thing about DMC3/GoW is that they seem to focus completely on the battle system (which is endless button mashing) while seriously lacking in all other departments. I may be alone in thinking this, but I though DMC2-3 and GoW all had horrible music and plots - which are both necessities for me to enjoy a game. Especially DMC with its loud rock stuff...I forgave the first one for it since I thought the story and battle system were interesting enough, but I can only take so much. I'm just the kind of player who likes to be put into a world that interests me. Slicing the limbs off of hordes of enemies by mashing a single button can only take me so far.

[Ikari Warrior]

I don't particularly hate the genre...I enjoyed the first Devil May Cry.

Hm, okay.

The thing about DMC3/GoW is that they seem to focus completely on the battle system (which is endless button mashing) while seriously lacking in all other departments.

DMC3 required timing, I felt. Also, DMC3 is much more fleshed out in battle system, story, and music than the original (which I agree is an awesome game).

I may be alone in thinking this, but I though DMC2-3 and GoW all had horrible music and plots - which are both necessities for me to enjoy a game.

DMC2 doesn't exist. Period. That game is largely forgettable with good cause. GOW had at least good music, I either loved it or tuned it out. The music for GOW was certainly not horrible, nor was DMC3's.

Especially DMC with its loud rock stuff...I forgave the first one for it since I thought the story and battle system were interesting enough, but I can only take so much.

DMC1's story was pretty weak. And the dialogue was gawdawful. "You had a mother and brother who were killed by evil 'x' many years ago". Oh puh-leeze. Dante's trashtalk in DMC3 is SO much better than in the original. For someone who appreciates story, I'm surprised you think DMC3 sucked. You learn so much history between Dante, and Virgil, and the seemingly weak-*** force edge from the first game. Plus the VA and lipsynch were superb, the cutscenes were fantastic. The fact that you love DMC and think DMC3 sucks is beyond me.

I'm just the kind of player who likes to be put into a world that interests me. Slicing the limbs off of hordes of enemies by mashing a single button can only take me so far.

Can you really tell me that you can beat more than three levels of DMC3 by mashing one button? GOW I can see that happening, but for the most part, both games do their best to vary the gameplay.

I suppose we're going to have to agree to disagree here, because from my end, I can't find any reason why you'd hate DMC3. GOW I can kinda understand -_-;

[NGT]

I agree with shadowcast Dmc 3 was more than button mashing and it had a better story than the first.

[Danju]

DMC1's story was pretty weak. And the dialogue was gawdawful. "You had a mother and brother who were killed by evil 'x' many years ago".
I'll agree with the crummy dialogue, but I enjoyed the story. It was nothing super special but it kept the game going. A lot better than GoW did...I had a hard time trying to distinguish what the story actually was in that one.
Can you really tell me that you can beat more than three levels of DMC3 by mashing one button? GOW I can see that happening, but for the most part, both games do their best to vary the gameplay.
Well, I'll be fair here and not really judge DMC3 too much. After buying DMC2 I couldn't bring myself to buy DMC3, so I never actually got to beating it. In fact I played it only once at my local mall. From what I played I was able to defeat anything in my path with a single button, but I played maybe half of one level so I didn't get a really good hands-on experience with the game. That one level I did play was awful though, so it only helped to push me further away from it. My understanding of its story comes from the many clips/trailers of the game that I watched and what I was able to put together from the little I played. It'd be nice if you could try and talk me into buying DMC3...I could really use a decent game right now. My last three purchases have been total crap.

As for God of War, well...yeah, I don't feel I really need to defend my opinion on it. You just went from stage to stage mindlessly killing things with an extreme level of gore. I've nothing against gore, but the gore seemed to be the game's selling point - which I don't agree with at all. What might have been able to become a story was drowned in a river of blood and internal organs.

[NGT]

I didn't enjoy God of War either.

[Ikari Warrior]

Well, I'll be fair here and not really judge DMC3 too much. After buying DMC2 I couldn't bring myself to buy DMC3, so I never actually got to beating it. In fact I played it only once at my local mall.

Ahh, then my friend you have been misled. As I said before, DMC2 does not exist. That game took a great thing, and made it oh-so crummy. I cannot recommend DMC3 highly enough. There is the rock music that you say you don't like, but I happened to enjoy it, and most of the time you can tune it out. DMC3 features six unique playstyles (four of which come unlocked standard). And you have to master different styles of play between sword wielding, gunslinging, enemy dodging, or sheer defending. The game mechanics have been thoroughly tweaked, and they adjusted the camera to allow a little more flexibility.

You also get the benefit of learning the story behind Dante, Vergil, and what ultimately caused them to wind up the way they were in DMC1. The Force Edge, Dante's pendant, and Vergil (all felt thoroughly downplayed to me in DMC1) are prominent elements of this title.

Further, the game is only $20 now, and the Greatest Hits release is actually the "Special Edition" release, which features somewhat easier gameplay, and also allows you to play as Vergil after playing through the game once as Dante. The only drawback to playing as Vergil is that he is just playing all of Dante's missions, sans cutscenes, but he plays as a completely different character.

If you like DMC1, you'll love DMC3. Drive DMC2 out of your brain, and burn the discs. As for my opinion of GOW, the game was perhaps overly gory, but in some circumstances, I found it to be fairly cathartic. Further I expect gratuitous violence and nudity from the folks who brought us Twisted Metal.

[crow-kun]

@ shadowcast

The lipsynch in Devil May Cry is good because the all voice work is in English even in Japan.

[Sendo Takeshi]

For those that think DMC3 is a masher fest, go to Youtube.com and search for combo videos. Yes. Combo videos. Thats how complex the damn system is.

And I for one enjoyed DMC3 vastly. I think I beat it in one week or so. Very good game and I highly recommend it.

[Ikari Warrior]

The lipsynch in Devil May Cry is good because the all voice work is in English even in Japan.

I was not aware of that, but I think it's cool all the same. The production quality of the cutscenes (even though the graphics are "in-game") make the story so much more immersive, that there's no reason to dislike DMC3 because of a lack of story. Actually, it's probably the second-most story driven game I've ever played (aside from the soul reaver series).

[earsofdoom]

well after listening to some GOW fanboy's on the weekand talking about how GOW revolutionized the action game genre (please... kill them now) I've decided to list all the thing's in both game's

Boss battle's
DMC3: Allot of boss battle's.... i think around 14 and they are challangeing, when a boss get's weaker he change's his attack pattern's and will become increasly difficult as the battle goes on.
GOW: you got like freaking 3 boss fight's... and they get easier as you go, not that are very hard to begin with all you gotta do to win is wait for the enemy to use his ultimate move and then butten mash then do some more mashing via some stupid mini-game

Combat
DMC3: Very indepth, you have 5 melee and 5 ranged which can be quick switched (GOW 2 is stealing this feature btw) add unto that different style's that will give you new combat ability and you have one helluva range of combo's. also just spamming one move will get you crap for red orb's (game's currency... GOW ripped them so you should be familiar) the game use's a style system which not only is gratifying when you get an "Awesome" after performing a combo but while also net you more orb's.
GOW: You have.... 2 weapons and one is not even worth useing, all you basically do is smack a guy a few time's then click a button to kill him... and that's about it pick-up your batch of red orb's and move on.

Difficulty
DMC: very challangeing, you have to pay attention to the way an enemy move's and what sound's they make to determine how they are going to attack you. allot of peaple complain about this i don't know why they just don't set the game to easy.
GOW: a Cake-walk, just sit there and block until there is an opening to attack. do this for about 7 hour's and your done the game.

In short it was DMC that revelutionized action gameing.... GOW like many other game's just stole all the game mechanic's that made it good the only difference is becouse of all the Gore and nudity and really EASY difficulty peaple liked it more.

[germanturkey]

^^ your argument was good until your last paragraph, which effed you in the ***...

saying that GOW stole from DMC is true, but DMC stole from other series as well. and also remember that in DMC, you're essentially mashing one button for melee and one for ranged. granted, a little timing is needed, and also the directing you're moving the stick, but basically its just pressing between two buttons. in GOW, there are actually button combinations that perform different moves, and also the block button which doubles the amount of stuff you can do.

and clearly you haven't tried playing GOW on god mode, because its quite hard... almost as hard as DMD. try blocking your way through that. One feature i don't particularly like about DMC is the inability to block. granted, royal guard gives you that option, but i like to be able to block once and a while, while playing with a different style. also, try playing GOW without evade, its near impossible.

which leads to parrying. If you don't parry in GOW on its harder difficulties, you won't get far. parrying allows for a counter, which either gives you a little space, stuns the enemy, or deals a load of damage.

boss battles i'll give to you. i was disappointed that there were only 3 battles in GOW. but patterns do change as they get weaker, and button mashing will not work against them.

almost every part of your argument was based on "could." i could play through DMC3 using only one combo over and over again, but that would limit the fun i have with the game. likewise, i could play through GOW using the same combo over and over, but wheres the fun in that?

[earsofdoom]

and clearly you haven't tried playing GOW on god mode, because its quite hard... almost as hard as DMD. try blocking your way through that. One feature i don't particularly like about DMC is the inability to block. granted, royal guard gives you that option, but i like to be able to block once and a while, while playing with a different style. also, try playing GOW without evade, its near impossible.


I usually play a game through on all difficulty's but i just had no real motivation to for GOW, maybe if they gave me more weapon's to play around with and stuff.... or an interesting character (i swear... i must be the only person on earth who didn't like Krato's... weird) i usually rate difficulty based on the "normal" setting though


almost every part of your argument was based on "could." i could play through DMC3 using only one combo over and over again, but that would limit the fun i have with the game. likewise, i could play through GOW using the same combo over and over, but wheres the fun in that


Im not sure about that.... if you go through DMC3 using only one combo over and over again your style meter while be low and you won't get barely any red orb's which are used to buy life and stuff, you would be to weak to kill any boss's.

i might be alone on this one but i think not haveing a block button made DMC more enjoyable... i've always been annoyed just sitting there in a game watching my character block thinking to myself "geez... why doesn't he just aim lower and then he would hit me" becouse of lack of blocking DMC teach's you the Art of evasion which can be used for some deadly counter attack's (plus it just look's cooler seeing dante roll to the side and hit from behind with a helm breaker then just sitting there guarding)

[Ikari Warrior]

I got used to the inability to block in DMC, and it was something I rarely used in GOW. I won't say I never blocked, but it was rare enough that I tended to forget which button it was. I do like that dodge-rolling is a matter of flicking the left analog stick a certain way, rather than having to press "lock on" and left and jump.

As far as being "copy cats" is concerned, I have to admit that DMC is the first game of its kind I'd played. That being said, I think GOW makes an honest enough attempt to innovate that type of game. Aside from DMC, I've only seen GOW, and Legacy of Kain Defiance as games that are in that kind of genre. And being able to switch weapons on the fly is not something that GOW2 stole from DMC. Remember that you could change from chaos blades to the Artemis blade by pressing a button in the original GOW. My only gripe is that Kratos only had two weapons to work with. The chaos blades are awesome enough on their own, but I would've liked to see more (the artemis blade is disappointing by comparison). Personally, being able to switch weapons on the fly is nothing to cry foul about. The more games that do this, and do it well, the better. Also, I'm 90% certain there was at least one game that lets you switch weapons on the fly before DMC. Mega Man X is the first that comes to mind off the top of my head(pressing "L" or "R" on the controller).

[crow-kun]

But Rockman is also made by capcom so maybe it was capcom that started it.

[Ikari Warrior]

It doesn't really matter to me who started that one tiny little feature. I'm astounded it's being harped upon so much.