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EmberAlchemist0
May 18th, 2006, 05:11 PM
Seeing that I just recently started to see the Fullmetal Alchemist anime series I do have a couple questions at the moment that I hope some people can help me with. What's the deal with Dante? What is Dante's place in the series exactly? I am only a little confused, but with the little that I've seen it still doesn't seem to make sense yet. I'd appreciate it if someone can help. Thanks a bunch.

Midoriko87
May 18th, 2006, 05:39 PM
Oh, I could sooo not use Spoiler Tags. These are MAJOR SPOILERS, and they'll more than likely ruin the series for you. Ooh, I'm so naughty. ^_^

Dante was originally Hohenheim's (Ed and Al's father) lover. She and he created a Philosopher's Stone a good 400 or so years ago, in order to obtain immortality. And, she's the creator/master of the majority of the Humonculi. In fact, Envy (or the infant he was created from) is Hohenheim's/Dante's son. And, she's basically running this scheme/controlling the Humonculi, in order to get a new body. She has to change bodies every so often, because her body (and her soul) gradually rot over Time. Thus, the need for the Philosopher's Stone. And, I don't think she has the Alchemic talent to create her own Stone, so she has the Humonculi manipulate the Elrics.

EmberAlchemist0
May 18th, 2006, 07:14 PM
I knew that Dante had alot to do with the Homunculi so I did. However I didn't know about her relation to Hoenheim(Did I spell that right?) Anyways what you said didn't really spoil much since it won't make alot of sense until I get all the DVDs for it. Thanks for the tips. ^_^

crow-kun
May 18th, 2006, 07:42 PM
What’s the deal with Dante? Easy, she is nothing more than a horribly written plot device simple as that.

Gray
May 18th, 2006, 07:46 PM
What’s the deal with Dante? Easy, she is nothing more than a horribly written plot device simple as that.

What id wrong with you? Did your parents drop you? The question was resolved, so why do you bother to post flames? Just stop yourself next time, or i will report it, because im am getting tired of seeing this stuff from you.

sailornyanko
May 24th, 2006, 11:05 AM
Simple:

*Spoilers!

Dante is evil and doesn't want to accept her mortality so she robs other humans bodies because they rot rather quickly until a new stone is created. Hohenheim seems to remark that she can't stay like this stealing other people's bodies because parts of her soul get left behind in her discarded bodies and she is unwantingly keeping parts of the essence of her "victims" with her instead.

I think Hohenheim told her that he knew her stone is almost gone because it breaks apart from overuse and thus she needs a new stone to keep on living. Apparently she's too incompetant to make the stone herself (or maybe she doesn't want to risk it herself because she knows the stone creator could die from creating the stone the way Hohenheim almost died when he created the original stone centuries ago. And since Dante wants to keep on living at all costs, she needs to find a suitable sucker to do the dirty work).

To obtain this she manipulates the homunculi for her own selfish purposes.

Curiously she didn't choose Irumi even though she saw the gate. (Not that someone honest like Irumi would have made the stone knowing she'd have to kill people to make it)

EmberAlchemist0
May 24th, 2006, 11:08 AM
Whoa wait! I just got so confused...Dante is also a homunculi?? Or did I read that all wrong??

crow-kun
May 24th, 2006, 01:52 PM
What id wrong with you? Did your parents drop you? The question was resolved, so why do you bother to post flames? Just stop yourself next time, or i will report it, because im am getting tired of seeing this stuff from you.
...sorry I forgot to reply to this. When you bring in someone out of nowhere and then try to make the whole series about them then that is a poorly written plot device. There wasn't even any foreshadowing you are watching the anime and then bam here comes Dante now lets just make them the master mind behind everything.

sailornyanko
May 24th, 2006, 03:10 PM
Whoa wait! I just got so confused...Dante is also a homunculi?? Or did I read that all wrong??

No, Dante isn't a homunculi. However with all of the body snatches it would be hard to call her a normal human.

Regarding the ill comments that Dante being a poorly introducted villain because she didn't show her face until very late in the series even though it's insinuated many times that the homunculi were being commanded by someone, I reccomend you to watch the second season of Corrector Yui. MOST RANDOM VILLAIN EVER!

crow-kun
May 24th, 2006, 05:10 PM
Just because it happens in another series doesn't make it any less true.

EmberAlchemist0
May 24th, 2006, 05:42 PM
I was about to say I didn't think Dante was an homunculi that's the impression I got from that one comment made here. Forgive my error.

LostCause
May 24th, 2006, 07:28 PM
So whats the deal with Honenhaim? Is he immortal or what? Since they created philosophers stone 400 years ago, he obviosly can't be normal human.

crow-kun
May 24th, 2006, 10:40 PM
So whats the deal with Honenhaim? Is he immortal or what? Since they created philosophers stone 400 years ago, he obviosly can't be normal human.
He's a monster...who was sacrificed to give the “bad plot device” a back-story. He was also turned into a deus ex machina.

Aquastorm
May 25th, 2006, 03:56 AM
So whats the deal with Honenhaim? Is he immortal or what? Since they created philosophers stone 400 years ago, he obviosly can't be normal human.

Pay no attention to crow-kun, the reason he's still around is becuase his soul is still around, being able to be trasfered to another person's body. He's not imortal, he will die if he doesn't change bodies since bodies will rot and decay, but he doesn't change bodies becuase he met Trisha Elric and wanted to die in the image of what Trisha remember him as.

LostCause
May 25th, 2006, 04:34 AM
I see, thanks. so he is the same thing as dante, is there any name for them?
I take it they are not homonculi(sp?). Were they humans originally, who tried to gain "immortality" by alchemy?
Thanks in advance.

Aquastorm
May 25th, 2006, 05:04 AM
Humans, just very old and tough humans that can put their souls into another body with the Philly-stone. (Which is used up, by the way.)

EmberAlchemist0
May 26th, 2006, 05:28 PM
Sooo....Dante and Hohenheim stayed alive so long cause of the Philosopher's stone????

Gray
May 26th, 2006, 05:55 PM
Sooo....Dante and Hohenheim stayed alive so long cause of the Philosopher's stone????

No, it was aliens. And they are really invaders from earth.

EmberAlchemist0
May 26th, 2006, 06:58 PM
Oh my! :lol:

rebelxangel
May 28th, 2006, 10:18 PM
i always found dante amusing. oh and question:


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EmberAlchemist0
May 28th, 2006, 10:27 PM
Spoilers...Oooh! :lol: Kidding I guess I'll find out about later on. ^_^

Aquastorm
May 29th, 2006, 09:24 AM
um...that remains unknown although it would see that she was devoured.

Stafal-chan
May 29th, 2006, 04:09 PM
i've just assumed gluttony ate her....heyy wait if both of their bodies decay how come Hoenhaim (how the heck do u spell that?!) doesn't decay as quickly as Dante does...oh and something that left me baffled was Lera....i mean Dante was a old woman right? then she switched to Lera?

EmberAlchemist0
May 30th, 2006, 09:30 AM
Well I think it was Episode 34 right when Dante was found dead?? Who killed her?? I never did get that. I've watched that Episode a few times on my DVD, but still it doesn't make sense. Did Lyra kill Dante?? I don't really care for spoilers, but this is making me a little confused. :lol:

Stafal-chan
May 30th, 2006, 03:29 PM
well...i'm not sure... :unsure: didn't she just switch to another body? i know Greed didn't...why would Lyra?

Midoriko87
May 30th, 2006, 03:46 PM
Yeah, I figured Dante simply switched bodies with Lyra and that was that. Stafal-chan, are you sure Hohenheim decays slower than Dante? I mean, maybe he changed bodies a good time after Dante made the shift.

Which brings up another issue. A good deal of people seem to believe that Envy revealed his original face to Edward (Episode 50, I believe), but I highly doubt that was really the true Envy. If I'm remembering correctly, Envy was born (and died) around the time Dante and Hohenheim created the Philosopher's Stone. So, I'm pretty sure Hohenheim would've had a different body...his original body, maybe. If the transmuted child that Envy was born from had reached adulthood, I highly doubt that he'd look anything like the Hohenheim we all know. It was simply a guise used to catch Edward off-guard.

Stafal-chan
May 30th, 2006, 03:50 PM
Pretty sure since Dante changed to Lyra and she started decaying pretty fast...she hadda change bodies....and Hohenhaim has had the same body since meeting Trysha right? which has been a couple years right?

Midoriko87
May 30th, 2006, 03:57 PM
Pretty sure since Dante changed to Lyra and she started decaying pretty fast...she hadda change bodies....and Hohenhaim has had the same body since meeting Trysha right? which has been a couple years right?

Never thought of that. Hmm, maybe she's switched bodies more often than Hohenheim. Constantly jumping from body to body probably weakened her soul's ability to maintain a body as long as Hohenheim.

Stafal-chan
May 30th, 2006, 04:01 PM
yah that's what i was thinking...^_^ oh heyy i could be wrong but in the episode where Dante and Hohenhaim net...didn't Hohenhaim say something along the lines of "i should have known it was you when i heard the name Lyra..."....i coudl have this wrong...only saw it once...but anyways that has me somewhat confuzzled ^_^

EmberAlchemist0
May 30th, 2006, 05:51 PM
Well in the episode where Greed came back to Dante's place her body was laying on the floor and to me looked as if it was cut down the middle and in half?!? Dante must have taken Lyra's body before this, but to me that is confusing. v.v;; I haven't seen the whole series yet so I don't know alot about Dante and Hoenheim.

Stafal-chan
May 31st, 2006, 12:03 PM
:unsure: well....the old Dante was definatly in pieces...^_^ i dunno she did say switch bodies sooooo...maybe it was really Lyra who died in Dante's old body....ah well i've seen all the episodes aired on adult swim ^_^ though i think FMA continues into movies and stuff.... :P

EmberAlchemist0
June 3rd, 2006, 07:59 PM
Well I kinda got the impression after viewing that Episode a few times that Dante took Lyra's body. When Lyra tried to kill Greed...Is that what she tried to do? Anyways if Dante had alreadt taken Lyra's body then it would have been Dante that tried to kill Greed.

Stafal-chan
June 4th, 2006, 08:29 AM
Lyra tried to kill Greed? :huh: ...i dunno i've only seen the episode once... ^_^

EmberAlchemist0
June 4th, 2006, 10:22 AM
On the DVD I have which is Volume 9 I guess Lyra did try to kill Greed. I'm still not certain if that's what she tried to do, but it looked that way. By then Dante had taken her body I think. So many questions unanswered yet.

Stafal-chan
June 4th, 2006, 11:17 AM
Overall FMA...kinda left alot of loose ends...which never really got tied up... :P

crow-kun
June 4th, 2006, 12:24 PM
Did anyone notice the huge mistake Bones made? In the scene where Hohenheim is making the PS in the past they are in the same bodies they have in the future. Yes, this anime is full of plot holes.

Stafal-chan
June 4th, 2006, 12:57 PM
Really?? haha yeah...but it was still good series.... ^_^

sailornyanko
June 4th, 2006, 01:48 PM
Did anyone notice the huge mistake Bones made? In the scene where Hohenheim is making the PS in the past they are in the same bodies they have in the future. Yes, this anime is full of plot holes.

Hohenheim's second body after his original body was seriously damaged creating the Stone physically looked a lot like his present body, but to me it seemed it was the body of a 40 year old man. Living in a country with a lot of blond people, it was probably just coincidence his soul got transferred to a body that physically looks like his present body. Maybe after that initial switch he decided to only switch with similar looking bodies. It's not like he would have been socially well seen if he used an Ishbalite body knowing Ishbalites hate their own people use perform alchemy. Moreso, it would probably be pretty damn hard convincing an Isbalite to switch bodies using alchemy since most Ishbalites shun alchemy completely and don't want to have anything to do with it.

Hohenheim already had decay when he was living with Trisha, but still he decided to use the same decaying body he's presently in. Who knows how long he's been using that body before meeting Trisha though.

One thing is certain, Dante's bodies don't last long. Hohenheim noticed Dante was only using Lyra's body for only a few days and the skin was already starting to rot. I believe Dante got close to Roze and ordered her to eat better so that she could switch to Roze's body. Knowing the kind of person she is, she probably at first switched bodies when they started to have wrinkles and such whereas I see Hohenheim using the same body until reasonably old age.

I have a hunch Dante probably tricked Lyra saying she will become a great alchemist with this secret procedure or something like that (wouldn't be surprised Dante used the gate when she switches bodies). Lyra wakes up in the old rotten body, says WTF, somehow she's learned a heck of a lot of alchemy by seeing the gate and now poses a threat to Dante so Dante kills her with an axe or something. Leaves the body in a noticeable place and makes Greed come by and make everyone think Greed killed the old Dante.

Notice I haven't seen all of the late episodes.

Mr. sickVisionz
June 4th, 2006, 02:17 PM
On the DVD I have which is Volume 9 I guess Lyra did try to kill Greed. I'm still not certain if that's what she tried to do, but it looked that way. By then Dante had taken her body I think. So many questions unanswered yet.

I don't think Lyra tried to kill Dante. She loved Dante. After meeting Ed, she says that her whole goal was to become a great alchemist. She is Dante's apprentice. I'm pretty sure Dante was kind to her, taught her alot and basically took her in like a daughter. One day Dante calls her in for a lesson on a powerful alchemy technique. Lyra enters the room (much like Greed did) and bam, is trapped in an array.

Dante is like Palpatine/Darth Sidious from Star Wars. Her forsight is damn near 20/20. She plans things for years and patiently waits for all the carefully manipulated chips to fall into play.

I think Lyra-Dante ripped up her old body on her own. When she transfers her soul, it obviously wouldn't be smart to publicize it to everyone. So, she leaves Old Lady Dante's body on the ground ripped up. She weakens Greed. Ed comes in, sees the old woman dead and naturally accuses the humongulus of doing it. Ed kills Greed, tells Izumi what happened and bam, theres no more questions about Dante. She was killed by Greed and thats it. Nobody suspects anything and Lyra-Dante can ideally go on living for another lifetime.

Midoriko87
June 4th, 2006, 03:46 PM
Hohenheim's second body after his original body was seriously damaged creating the Stone physically looked a lot like his present body, but to me it seemed it was the body of a 40 year old man. Living in a country with a lot of blond people, it was probably just coincidence his soul got transferred to a body that physically looks like his present body. Maybe after that initial switch he decided to only switch with similar looking bodies.

That sounds a tad bit farfetched. Yes, there are a good deal of blonds/blondes in that area; however, there's also an equal amount of brunets/brunettes. And, having blond/blonde doesn't make someone physically identical (or semi-identical) to someone with the same hair colour. According to crow-kun, the bodies were identical. I can believe that Hohenheim may have wanted to use similar-looking bodies, but if those bodies look, for the most part, identical to each other, then it probably was the same character design used so that fans wouldn't be confused, I guess. I highly doubt it's a mistake. Still, you may be right. Maybe it was an identical, yet slightly older, body. I've just never confused any of the blonds/blondes with each other, so it just doesn't seem that plausible, imo. Maybe the artists didn't have a knack for diversity.

It's not like he would have been socially well seen if he used an Ishbalite body knowing Ishbalites hate their own people use perform alchemy. Moreso, it would probably be pretty damn hard convincing an Isbalite to switch bodies using alchemy since most Ishbalites shun alchemy completely and don't want to have anything to do with it.

If I'm misinterpreting this, sorry. But, he didn't have to choose blond or Ishbalan. He could've chose from varying shades or brown, maybe the occassional red (maybe), or black. He could've chosen from eye colours such as blue, green, purple, brown, black (maybe). It almost sounds as if you're saying he only had the chose between a goden-eyed, blond-haired man or a red-eyed, brown-skinned Ishbalan. Hohenheim's people are quite diverse. Ishbalans aren't. There's also the occassional dark-skinned non-Ishbalan.

EmberAlchemist0
June 4th, 2006, 06:05 PM
I figured Lyra-Dante had tried to kill Greed with the array. After all Greed's bones were laying out. And isn't it a fact if a homunculi comes near items that are their own OR from the past when they were created they become weak?? So if Lyra-Dante had the bones laying out when Greed came I just figured she was wanting to kill him.

Midoriko87
June 5th, 2006, 07:17 AM
I figured Lyra-Dante had tried to kill Greed with the array. After all Greed's bones were laying out. And isn't it a fact if a homunculi comes near items that are their own OR from the past when they were created they become weak?? So if Lyra-Dante had the bones laying out when Greed came I just figured she was wanting to kill him.

I think Dante wanted Greed dead, but she needed Edward to kill Greed. She had to make sure no one could ever trace any of the Homunculi to her. If she had killed Greed, which she could have easily, the question of "Who killed Dante and why?" would pop-up.

EmberAlchemist0
June 5th, 2006, 09:48 AM
Dante created Greed right? Well I don't really get why she'd want to kill him. And you're right if she had killed him alot of questions would have came up like you had said, Midoriko87.

Mr. sickVisionz
June 5th, 2006, 12:59 PM
^

I don't think Dante made Greed in the same sense that Ed/Al made Sloth, but I think she finds these humongulus and nurses them to full health... or at least gets Envy to find them much like Envy found Wrath.


Well I don't really get why she'd want to kill him

I think she had to get rid of Greed. He was constantly mixing up her plans. She spent alot of time trying to manipulate Ed to doing her will and Greed was about to ruin alot of that for her. Dante survives on the fact that all of these humongulus are slaaves to her because of one reason or the next. Greed was a slave to his own selfish wants and desires and often these were at total odds. She could have killed him, but remember that Dante is a genius. Why just kill Greed when she can get Ed to do it and simultaneously manipulate Ed into going back on the track of creating a philosopher stone.

Stafal-chan
June 5th, 2006, 01:48 PM
i dunno i think she did make Greed. She made Pride...she said so herself. Because how else would Dante have had his remains?

EmberAlchemist0
June 5th, 2006, 06:41 PM
i dunno i think she did make Greed. She made Pride...she said so herself. Because how else would Dante have had his remains?


Well yeah they showed that Dante had Greed's remains (His bones). Dante made Pride also? Wow that I didn't know.

What about Wrath? Ed and Al made Wrath right?

Stafal-chan
June 5th, 2006, 06:49 PM
^_^ yes she made Pride in the one episode she said that he was one of her finest works ^_^

No Ed and Al's teacher Izumi (i think that's her name) created Wrath....Ed just completed it when he lost his arm and leg ^_^

EmberAlchemist0
June 5th, 2006, 06:56 PM
Ok ok ok! So Dante created Pride. After seeing the episode where Marta is killed by The Fuhrer I got the impression he was a homunculi also. Is The Fuhrer....Pride?? That man who says "I have the ultimate eye." That's him right??

Oh yeah it was Izumi that made Wrath, but Ed finished Wrath? Ok!

Stafal-chan
June 5th, 2006, 06:59 PM
YUP ^_^ he's a homunculus alright ^_^ he's pretty neat...but he doesn't get a big role...^_^

EmberAlchemist0
June 5th, 2006, 07:02 PM
Lol Stafal-chan. I don't really care if he has a big part or not. I still think The Fuhrer is an awesome character. So... He was created by Dante?

Stafal-chan
June 5th, 2006, 07:05 PM
^_^ i beleive so^_^ but i must be going bye bye ^_^

EmberAlchemist0
June 5th, 2006, 07:08 PM
Alright bye, Stafal-chan. Night. ^_^

Thanks for the info!

LostCause
June 22nd, 2006, 05:01 PM
Now that i'm further into the series i have another question about Dante.
Why would she take Izumi as a student? Why teach her to perform alchemy without circle? And why let her go? Thats extremely out of character for Dante and ultimately worked against her. Is there a reason behind it?

Stafal-chan
June 22nd, 2006, 05:47 PM
^i think she did end up taking Izumi on as a student didn't she?...or she at least helped her with her alchemy....and for the rest of it ^_^ i'm not sure..it kinda is never explained though ^_^

soulreaper
June 22nd, 2006, 06:43 PM
Now that i'm further into the series i have another question about Dante.
Why would she take Izumi as a student? Why teach her to perform alchemy without circle? And why let her go? Thats extremely out of character for Dante and ultimately worked against her. Is there a reason behind it?

She probably wanted Izumi to make the philosopher's stone for her. Think of it along the same lines of her having the homunculi guide Ed for half the series. Once she realized Izumi wasn't capable, she let her go. Of course, Izumi didn't know any of this. That's my guess.

LostCause
June 22nd, 2006, 06:51 PM
^ yeah, thats probably it.
thanks

EmberAlchemist0
June 24th, 2006, 07:12 PM
Yes Dante taught Izumi. This is all I could find on that which is about the tattoo:
"The insignia is passed on from teacher to student as Dante, Izumi's alchemy teacher, also displayed it. The symbol, the Caduceus, a winged snake fixed on a cross, is the opposite of the Ouroboros worn by the Homunculi."

EmberAlchemist0
June 28th, 2006, 11:02 AM
I just wanted to make a note here saying. I finally got Dante figured out. Since I'm near the end of the series I understand pretty much all it now. :)

Stafal-chan
June 28th, 2006, 06:59 PM
@ember...i've been finished the series for a while now^_^...and i'm still confuzzled ^_^every now and then when these Dante questions pop up :P

crow-kun
June 28th, 2006, 10:30 PM
It's really not all that complicated.

EmberAlchemist0
June 28th, 2006, 10:43 PM
It's really not all that complicated.

Well now that I'm near the end I've realized that the answers were in front of me. Dang it took me until near the end to figure it out. Oh well problem solved. ^_^

LostCause
June 29th, 2006, 07:50 PM
Well now that I'm near the end I've realized that the answers were in front of me. Dang it took me until near the end to figure it out. Oh well problem solved. ^_^

ok,great! so help me out, i don't feel like starting a new thread for a single question. Who's baby was it again?? The one that Rose had?

EmberAlchemist0
June 29th, 2006, 07:58 PM
Rose became targeted as Dante's next vessel with the new Philosopher's Stone. Rose was kept in some sort of sedation, and her baby was used by Dante to open the Gate.

I hope this helps some. ^_^

LostCause
June 29th, 2006, 10:45 PM
Thanks, but what about baby's identity? Is it really Rose's child? What is known about it?

Bernard_Monsha
June 29th, 2006, 10:48 PM
Thanks, but what about baby's identity? Is it really Rose's child? What is known about it?


Yes, it is implied she was gang raped by the soldiers in Lior earlier in the series.

LostCause
June 30th, 2006, 12:19 AM
Yes, it is implied she was gang raped by the soldiers in Lior earlier in the series.
OMG, thanks, although, i'm half wishing i hadn't asked. Its too sad.

EmberAlchemist0
June 30th, 2006, 09:11 AM
Thanks, but what about baby's identity? Is it really Rose's child? What is known about it?


According to the information I located there isn't much info on the baby's identity. Even though I have learned alot of info about FMA I'm still a little confused in some areas, but here is what I found.

Rosé was imprisoned by the military. Though not said directly, it is assumed by many that Rosé was raped repeatedly and that the trauma of her ordeal left her mute. When she is next shown, she is free and has a child. (Other theories pretaining to the muteness include depression, and other theories pretaining to the baby's origin include the baby being Cain's and the baby being an orphan that Rosé adopted, though unlikely as she is seen breastfeeding the child.)

sailornyanko
July 3rd, 2006, 03:51 AM
I'm personally going with the rape theory. In the latin-american spanish dub they pretty clearly say that she was attacked by soldiers and the experience left her mute. Obviously they are saying she was raped by multiple men and the baby was a product of that.
It's impossible that Cain was the father because he died about 4 years before the baby was born. I don't recall hearing the pregnancies of the people in this world take longer.
Dante seemed to take advantage of the baby because it makes it reasonably easy to open the gate. Dante doesn't really have to do much. Plus having the baby made it easier to manipulate Rose.

EmberAlchemist0
July 13th, 2006, 09:06 PM
Which did Dante create first Greed or Pride?!? I always assumed Pride since he looks a little older, but I wasn't certain. This may be a moronic question, but it's been on my mind lately so I thought I'd ask.

crow-kun
July 13th, 2006, 10:14 PM
Which did Dante create first Greed or Pride?!? I always assumed Pride since he looks a little older, but I wasn't certain. This may be a moronic question, but it's been on my mind lately so I thought I'd ask.
Greed was first Pride was later. Pride only looks older, for reasons that were never explained in the anime.

Stafal-chan
July 14th, 2006, 05:49 AM
Pride looks older because he can age like human....^_^ it was in one of the episodes...Dante is quite proud of her work on Pride...for that reason...^_^

crow-kun
July 14th, 2006, 10:37 AM
Pride looks older because he can age like human....^_^ it was in one of the episodes...Dante is quite proud of her work on Pride...for that reason...^_^
That still doesn't explain why.

Aya Nakamura
July 18th, 2006, 12:46 PM
I think that pride is the homonculus of hohenheims second body because in dantes flashback the guy she put his soul into looks exactly like pride

EmberAlchemist0
July 18th, 2006, 07:12 PM
I figured Pride would even be older than Envy, but I guess that isn't the case. Well I guess since Pride can age like a human that makes so much sense that he looks older than Greed. That still puzzles me though.

Killswithpaper
July 18th, 2006, 07:28 PM
I figured Pride would even be older than Envy, but I guess that isn't the case. Well I guess since Pride can age like a human that makes so much sense that he looks older than Greed. That still puzzles me though.

Pride only ages because he has to deal with humans , but i could have swore that Envy was the oldest because he was created before the philosopher's stone i think. I'm going on the T.V. the anime might be different ^_^

Stafal-chan
July 19th, 2006, 06:21 AM
i think Envy is the oldest as well....but wasn't the question between Pride and Greed?...to know which one is older....

Greed might be older...i mean how long had he been around before Dante locked him up ya kno? ^_^

EmberAlchemist0
July 19th, 2006, 08:35 AM
I'm not sure how long Greed was around before Dante had him "locked" up. I believe he was in the lock up for 140 yrs(?) Before that not sure.

Bezerker
July 19th, 2006, 08:39 AM
Here is the order according to Wiki, this is obviously not containing the previous sins that im guessing were killed.

Envy - Hohenheim of Light - (To resurrect his and Dante's dead son)
Greed - Dante - (unknown, suggested as result of curiosity or in attempt to resurect a former lover.)
Gluttony - Dante (unknown, implied by Hohenheim to be a living forge for Philosopher's Stone)
Pride - Dante - (To have someone run the government and work as a spy for her)
Lust - Scar's elder brother - (To resurrect his lost lover)
Wrath - Izumi Curtis - (To resurrect her dead child)
Sloth - Edward and Alphonse Elric - (To resurrect their dead mother)


The reason they give for Pride seems a bit off, but i guess its half right.

EmberAlchemist0
July 19th, 2006, 08:44 AM
Pride looks similar to the man that Dante put Hohenheim's soul into to save him. What puzzles me is did Dante have a lover before Hohenheim that looked like Greed?!? I suppose she may have. >_< I don't like to think to much about it though.

Stafal-chan
July 19th, 2006, 09:32 AM
Here is the order according to Wiki, this is obviously not containing the previous sins that im guessing were killed.

Envy - Hohenheim of Light - (To resurrect his and Dante's dead son)
Greed - Dante - (unknown, suggested as result of curiosity or in attempt to resurect a former lover.)
Gluttony - Dante (unknown, implied by Hohenheim to be a living forge for Philosopher's Stone)
Pride - Dante - (To have someone run the government and work as a spy for her)
Lust - Scar's elder brother - (To resurrect his lost lover)
Wrath - Izumi Curtis - (To resurrect her dead child)
Sloth - Edward and Alphonse Elric - (To resurrect their dead mother)


The reason they give for Pride seems a bit off, but i guess its half right.

then in that case Greed would be older wouldn't he....if she was tryin to ressurect an old lover...he must have been around for a while....since Pride was only to control the military....

crow-kun
July 19th, 2006, 03:47 PM
Now that I think about it Bradley wouldn't even be a homunculus in the anime if it weren’t in the manga. So don't hurt your brain trying to figure it out it was really nothing more than a last minute decision. That's why there isn't much said about his existence.

Killswithpaper
July 19th, 2006, 10:37 PM
What did happen to Dante?
I know in the last episode she was escaping on an elevator when Gluttony showed up, but the question remains who died and who lived? or did they both die? it might be answered in the Manga but the anime still has be thinking about it. oh and this is off topic but is it just me or do girls named Rose always get used for misdeed?

Bezerker
July 19th, 2006, 11:10 PM
What did happen to Dante?
I know in the last episode she was escaping on an elevator when Gluttony showed up, but the question remains who died and who lived? or did they both die? it might be answered in the Manga but the anime still has be thinking about it. oh and this is off topic but is it just me or do girls named Rose always get used for misdeed?


Someone hasnt seen the movie...

Gluttony ate Dante

Laharu
July 19th, 2006, 11:18 PM
that was a good movie o.o

Killswithpaper
July 20th, 2006, 09:13 AM
Someone hasnt seen the movie...

Gluttony ate Dante

oh what thats it? And no i haven't it hasn't come out here yet i guess.

Bezerker
July 20th, 2006, 11:33 AM
oh what thats it? And no i haven't it hasn't come out here yet i guess.

No, theres more, but i didnt wanna spoil the movie for ya.

Killswithpaper
July 20th, 2006, 09:21 PM
No, theres more, but i didnt wanna spoil the movie for ya.

lol how kind of you, i guess i can shell out some more money for anime and go over my budget......again

EmberAlchemist0
July 20th, 2006, 09:34 PM
I haven't seen the movie yet either and I'm up to Episode 49 of the series. O.o
But I do know alot of what happens in this later part of the series thanks to friends with spoilers and so on. >_<

crow-kun
July 20th, 2006, 10:34 PM
You aren't missing anything, the movie doesn't really add much.

Stafal-chan
July 21st, 2006, 09:49 AM
...i'm finished the series....i have to find the movie now....:P

EmberAlchemist0
July 21st, 2006, 08:17 PM
...i'm finished the series....i have to find the movie now....:P

Lucky you! :P You finished the series! On the tv adult swim I'm almost done, but with DVDs no. :(