~Gundam SEED Destiny, what do you think?~

[TheDemonSlayer]

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I've found myself recently watching "Gundam SEED Destiny", the sequel to "Gundam SEED". And I must say that I'm in love with this show! I'm currently on episode #41, and I plan to finish the entire series. This is a really great Gundam series, and if you haven't already, take the time out to watch this title. And for those that have seen it, please leave your thoughts on what you've seen, is there anything that you would have changed, or liked to have happened differently? Let the posting BEGIN!
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[Suiko Eiji]

I started watching it when it was first airing in Japan in 2005 but I quickly grew to dislike the TV series within three weeks or so. Since the TV specials were aired during Golden Week a week or two ago, I've been meaning to go back and watch through those to see if I couldn't change that opinion.

[Mazinkaiser]

Liked the first 15 or so episodes, absolutely hated the rest of the episodes. I really hate Gundam Seed Destiny.

[Sushikins]

It started off really strong, but gradually lost steam as it went on. One of my least favorite Gundam series, I actually had a hard time finishing it.

[Magami No ER]

It was the first full Gundam series I watched, and I must say watching it was fun, I enjoyed it. It only became a chore during the last 10 epsiode because of its problems. Oh well.

[Hideki 13]

I'm really glad i stopped downloading this series. I only got to a couple episodes but decided to stop for another series (i think Bleach).

[Vaikyuko]

Like Sushi said, it started strong but lost steam as time went on. I had no trouble finishing it (even mindless boring reused mecha battles are worth watching, to me), but some of the problems in the series could have been fixed. I also don't think it deserves the "OMGSUCKYSERIES" reputation it gets, though it certainly is nowhere near the level of other Gundam productions. I still would rather watch DESTINY than Wing.

[TheDemonSlayer]

I suppose that not everyone can like the same thing, but at the moment I've just finished episode #45, and I'm still going strong. And it's also true that it's not like previous Gundam productions, but that's one of the things that makes it successful in my opinion. So eventhough there are those with doubt, once I start a series, I do my best to finish it..

[MagicianCamille]

Eh, it lost direction about halfway through.

[Magami No ER]

I suppose that not everyone can like the same thing, but at the moment I've just finished episode #45, and I'm still going strong. And it's also true that it's not like previous Gundam productions, but that's one of the things that makes it successful in my opinion. So eventhough there are those with doubt, once I start a series, I do my best to finish it..
Well, you're almost done, and if you still like it, then that's good.^^

[TheDemonSlayer]

Yeah and I'm now trying to decide which anime I'll start next? After SEED Destiny that is..

[Rahxephon91]

GSD is a great tv show. Its first half is almost as good as Zeta if you ask me. The action,plot devolpment, and charcters are all preatty good. I really enjoyed the show.

Then episode 39 happens. After that we get atleast 3 recap episodes, an episode with shopping, Cagalli getting pushed to the side, Shinn losing airtime to Kira, many plot threads(Mu's life, Rey's past, Shinn as a pawn, what Gilbert has to do with the Logos, Gilbert as a master of Logos and preatty much having the world on strings, the 3 extended children, Cagalli and Athrun's relationship) are just tossed to the side. Its just horrible how the last 10 episodes went. They just didnt have any focus. They wanted to cater UC fans and Seed fans. Fukada just couldent keep it all together.

All in all it is good show.

[MightyDustLoop]

Yeah, make a decision and stick with. To hell with who you piss off, at least it's not EVERYBODY that way.

I would not say the first half of this series is good. So much of it was spent developing certain points and even rivalries that never truly came to a head properly.

[TheDemonSlayer]

Yeah the recaps were a little overused in certain points, but not totally undbearable though. But I did have a problem with the 4th ost at first, it was too much of a change from the previous high pace ones...

[HitokiriShadow]

It was good in the beginning, but began to fall apart around half-way through. It hits rock bottom in the late 30s and the last 10 episodes vary between crap and almost decent.

[RyoTD]

As I said in the "last anime you watched" thread, I enjoyed it. It did have some major issues, sure, but watching it never became a chore to me. In fact, It only took three sittings spead over 48 hours to watch it all. In that sense, I enjoyed Destiny much more than SEED, which I almost stopped watching 16 episodes through, and took me a month to finish. Then again, I never had any high expectations for Destiny (since most people here seem to think of it as trash), so I wasn't really disappointed when it turned "meh" in the latter parts. And Shinn/Luna is cute.

But dammit, I hated the way they tossed Shinn aside. He was a much more intresting (read: better) character than Kira, if you'd ask me. If it wasn't for Final Plus (which is a great improvement), then Destiny would most likely have the worst ending of all anime I've ever seen.

[Jinto117]

The lack of Cagilli and Athrun's relationship developing more was also dissapointing.

[Westlo]

First 5 eps were great than it went from mediocre to bad with a good ep every now and then.

[Westlo]

But dammit, I hated the way they tossed Shinn aside. He was a much more intresting (read: better) character than Kira, if you'd ask me. If it wasn't for Final Plus (which is a great improvement), then Destiny would most likely have the worst ending of all anime I've ever seen.

They never really tossed Shinn aside just went from Athrun to Kira imo, Shinn was like a new wrestler who they had to make look good so he could give the champs a viable threat.

They only built him up so he could fall, from the start I read this was Athruns series, rewatch it alot of the first half is on him. While Shinn gets the 2 minute transforming scenes athruns was more a major player early on.

[HitokiriShadow]

The lack of Cagilli and Athrun's relationship developing more was also dissapointing.

Cagalli and Athrun's relationship was probably what I hated about GSD, namely how it turned out. It got some development and could have turned out okay and then Cagalli suddenly dumps Athrun. I wanted to kill someone for that.

[MightyDustLoop]

Cagalli and Athrun's relationship was probably what I hated about GSD, namely how it turned out. It got some development and could have turned out okay and then Cagalli suddenly dumps Athrun. I wanted to kill someone for that.

I'm okay with the end result, but I felt no finality. I still feel more like we don't know the exact status of the relationship than we do. Regardless of which way they decide to take the relationship, be it forward or finished, they really need to do a better job that that.

[Jinto117]

Didn't Tomino's wife say something along the lines of, "Oh, Cagalli never really loved Athrun." More like they decided to p*** us off.

[HitokiriShadow]

You mean Fukuda's wife. Tomino has nothing to do with SEED or GSD.

Yes, she said something like that in an interview, but I don't care.

[Jinto117]

You mean Fukuda's wife. Tomino has nothing to do with SEED or GSD.

Yes, she said something like that in an interview, but I don't care.

Oh, my bad! I'm sorry I even made the mistake of mentioning Tomino with Gundam Seed. :bow:

[Sharp-kun]

The lack of Cagilli and Athrun's relationship developing more was also dissapointing.
The Kira x Athrun fangirls would kill them if it went anywhere, I'm hardly surprised.

[Jinto117]

I see. Would you consider Gundam Seed Destiny even more yaoi invested then even Gundam Wing?

[Wraith Gundam]

I though the series wasn't that bad, it had some cool designs and some OK characters. It just lacked the originality of other series' storylines, it was fairly similar to seed.

That said, I do wish that they'd stop pissing around and coming up with brand new series', when they've got a perfectly good set of unreleased series like ZZ or Turn-A. Or they could turn some of the mangas into series like Skull Heart or Gundam Sentinel.

[TheDemonSlayer]

Yeah it would be nice to see something new too. Oh and by the way people, I'm about to finish SEED Destiny tonight! Any suggestions on another Gundam series to watch next?

[Suiko Eiji]

Yeah it would be nice to see something new too. Oh and by the way people, I'm about to finish SEED Destiny tonight! Any suggestions on another Gundam series to watch next?

UC Gundam; something along the lines of 08th MS Team or 0080: War in the Pocket are great stand-alone OAV stories.

[MagicianCamille]

Aren't ZZ and Turn A Gundam already released in Japan? Why would Bandai Japan stop making Gundam anime because some series aren't released in America yet?

[NGT]

I though the series wasn't that bad, it had some cool designs and some OK characters. It just lacked the originality of other series' storylines, it was fairly similar to seed.

That said, I do wish that they'd stop pissing around and coming up with brand new series', when they've got a perfectly good set of unreleased series like ZZ or Turn-A. Or they could turn some of the mangas into series like Skull Heart or Gundam Sentinel.

Yeah but ZZ and Turn-A wouldn't sell well to the younger crowd or people who don't like old animetion. Then again with Gundam ceasing to be broadcasted on CN they might not have to worry about that the younger crowd.

[CrossboneGundam]

Yeah but ZZ and Turn-A wouldn't sell well to the younger crowd or people who don't like old animetion. Then again with Gundam ceasing to be broadcasted on CN they might not have to worry about that the younger crowd.

Comparing Turn A's animation to ZZ's is pretty ludicrous. There's a gap of over 10 years between them. Look at Wing, that's still the most popular Gundam series in the US.
Turn A's visuals, audio, etc. are all vastly superior. Not to mention plot, characters, mecha and character designs...

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[Suiko Eiji]

Aren't ZZ and Turn A Gundam already released in Japan? Why would Bandai Japan stop making Gundam anime because some series aren't released in America yet?

I'm fairly sure there is a Turn A DVD set available in Japan, and I think ZZ was boxed in a 3-Series Blitz Sunrise did around 2002~3. But I'm with you, where the hell was Wraith_Gundam trying to draw a parallell with Japan making new series versus what was released Stateside?

If Bandai of Japan is to be trusted, there will be another UC storyline again; as reported by Gunota sometime earlier this year. They're not saying when; they're not saying what the source will be. Grain of salt, etc.

Comparing Turn A's animation to ZZ's is pretty ludicrous. There's a gap of over 10 years between them. Look at Wing, that's still the most popular Gundam series in the US.
Turn A's visuals, audio, etc. are all vastly superior. Not to mention plot, characters, mecha and character designs...

Saying it's "pretty ludacrous" is like calling Hitler "kinda racist". It's the DEFINITION of ludicrous.

I've been slow on the Turn A bandwagon but it is in no way relation to the animation. I hate Kanno Youko's music, but the music she did for Turn A wasn't all that bad. The mecha ... alright, I find it hard to get over Mobile Sumo and "Mario Gundam" but all joking aside, it's honestly not all that bad. I think if there was a decent release of Turn A very soon in the US, BEI would be pleasantly suprised at the turn out for it.

[CrossboneGundam]

I've been slow on the Turn A bandwagon but it is in no way relation to the animation. I hate Kanno Youko's music, but the music she did for Turn A wasn't all that bad. The mecha ... alright, I find it hard to get over Mobile Sumo and "Mario Gundam" but all joking aside, it's honestly not all that bad. I think if there was a decent release of Turn A very soon in the US, BEI would be pleasantly suprised at the turn out for it.

Turn A's soundtrack is far and away the best Gundam OST ever. Yoko Kanno's missteps are few and far between. And Sumos are kickass looking.

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[TheDemonSlayer]

Wow so many choices, so little time..:lol:

[Wraith Gundam]

I'm fairly sure there is a Turn A DVD set available in Japan, and I think ZZ was boxed in a 3-Series Blitz Sunrise did around 2002~3. But I'm with you, where the hell was Wraith_Gundam trying to draw a parallell with Japan making new series versus what was released Stateside?

If Bandai of Japan is to be trusted, there will be another UC storyline again; as reported by Gunota sometime earlier this year. They're not saying when; they're not saying what the source will be. Grain of salt, etc.



Saying it's "pretty ludacrous" is like calling Hitler "kinda racist". It's the DEFINITION of ludicrous.

I've been slow on the Turn A bandwagon but it is in no way relation to the animation. I hate Kanno Youko's music, but the music she did for Turn A wasn't all that bad. The mecha ... alright, I find it hard to get over Mobile Sumo and "Mario Gundam" but all joking aside, it's honestly not all that bad. I think if there was a decent release of Turn A very soon in the US, BEI would be pleasantly suprised at the turn out for it.

Okay, my last post came out a bit wrong, what I actually meant was that it wouldn't be that difficult to coincide the release of a new series in Japan with the release of a series in America.

[Suiko Eiji]

Okay, my last post came out a bit wrong, what I actually meant was that it wouldn't be that difficult to coincide the release of a new series in Japan with the release of a series in America.

Actually, I think it would. In fact, I think there have only been a very small handful of anime concurrent released in both the US and Japan and even then, one of the larger known titles, they still ended up being completely different. Considering that Gundam SEED and Gundam SEED DESTINY are being released only a year after their release in Japan, I think it's a pretty good track record. I would just prefer that they release some of the more story-quality, older series first - just to play catch up - and then they can focus on Sunrise's nice shiny Macromedia projects.

[TheDemonSlayer]

Yeah I can see your point, but in the end it all worked out I guess.

[Wraith Gundam]

Actually, I think it would. In fact, I think there have only been a very small handful of anime concurrent released in both the US and Japan and even then, one of the larger known titles, they still ended up being completely different. Considering that Gundam SEED and Gundam SEED DESTINY are being released only a year after their release in Japan, I think it's a pretty good track record. I would just prefer that they release some of the more story-quality, older series first - just to play catch up - and then they can focus on Sunrise's nice shiny Macromedia projects.

Again, came out wrong, that's what I meant. They could release a new series in Japan (ie. SEED Eternity) and at the same time release a newly dubbed series in America (ie. ZZ, Turn-A, Victory, etc...)

[Vaikyuko]

Again, came out wrong, that's what I meant. They could release a new series in Japan (ie. SEED Eternity) and at the same time release a newly dubbed series in America (ie. ZZ, Turn-A, Victory, etc...)

At one point, I believe they were (IIRC, DESTINY was airing while SEED or the SEED films were being released in America).

[Suiko Eiji]

At one point, I believe they were (IIRC, DESTINY was airing while SEED or the SEED films were being released in America).

I'm not sure that's what he meant either... I mean, DESTINY was in production when SEED was being released in the US and the SEED Specials were released as you said.

I think that he means that Japan can work on SEED: SPOOGE or whatever the new name is going to be and release an older, UC Title here in the US.

Bandai had a neat idea with two Gundams a year; in 2002 we were supposed to have Char's Counterattack and Zeta. Then Zeta got delayed for SEED in 2003. Then Zeta was finally released at the very end of 2004, with F-91 soon to follow in '05. I think that if they released a UC and AU series at seperate points during the year, we'd be playing a serious game of catch up and we wouldn't have to worry about ZZ or V or whatever being pushed back because of another SEED Story.

[MightyDustLoop]

I sure hope Eternity is a movie. There will be no deviation of plot progression again if we're dealing with a movie. Then we can figure out once and for all if Fukuda is being jerked around by upper management or never had a clue what he was doing and just kinda got lucky that SEED wasn't total garbage....minus about half a dozen nonsensical and impossible plot points.

[Mazinkaiser]

There are actually two SEED works being planned, a full length feature movie, along with the Stargazer Project.

[Vaikyuko]

I'm personally looking forward to both the SEED works in progress, but that's just me.

@Suiko: Oh. I getcha. I thought SEED DESTINY was still airing (or had aired the last few episodes and FINAL PLUS) while they released Zeta, as well? Maybe I'm wrong. I dunno.

[Suiko Eiji]

I'm personally looking forward to both the SEED works in progress, but that's just me.

@Suiko: Oh. I getcha. I thought SEED DESTINY was still airing (or had aired the last few episodes and FINAL PLUS) while they released Zeta, as well? Maybe I'm wrong. I dunno.

SEED Destiny had just begun airing in Japan when Zeta was released in the US. Zeta's license was announced way back in 2002 (or, second thought, maybe closer to 01), so we knew for a long time that we would be getting Zeta, as opposed to Destiny which was licensed very late 05 or early 06, right around Zeta's release.

[TheDemonSlayer]

Intersting indeed, but tell me, how does Zeta's characters and mecha compare to that of say, the original Gundam series with Amuro Ray?

[Suiko Eiji]

There aren't too many characters that are new between the original Mobile Suit Gundam and Zeta, since Zeta is a direct sequel to the first. Most of the characters who are recurring are merely older versions of themselves. I think the only character who changed the most between the two was Kai Shiden; in 0079 he was incredibly whiney and bordered on cowardice many a time; however, in 0085 he seemed more curageous, more able to 'go out on a limb' but he still stayed away from ever serving again in the military or in a paramilitary like AEUG. Camille and Fa remind me a lot of Amuro and Frau during the OYW but Camille reacts a lot differently to situations than Amuro would have, given similar progressions through their respective TV series, not to mention the different outcomes they have at the end of those series greatly effect the characters themselves.

The mecha ... hmm, Zeta completely gets rid of the "monster of the week" type of Mecha Amuro went up against during the OYW but I think that mostly differs because where as MSG was trying to find a fanbase, Zeta already had one. I think each mecha has their respective credits, the Zeta introduced truly transforming mecha where as the Zaku II has been a constant workhorse for numerous Gundam series. As Zeta and MSG feature none of my favorite mecha, it's hard for me to present these in anything other and this bland perspective. I'm sure there are others who can better present a case over which was better.

[TheDemonSlayer]

Ok I finished SEED Destiny last night, and I must say that it was good while it lasted. I really enjoyed it, and I definitely recommend it to all Gundam fans.

[NGT]

Comparing Turn A's animation to ZZ's is pretty ludicrous. There's a gap of over 10 years between them. Look at Wing, that's still the most popular Gundam series in the US.
Turn A's visuals, audio, etc. are all vastly superior. Not to mention plot, characters, mecha and character designs...

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2092/turnascreen5au.th.jpg (http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=turnascreen5au.jpg)

Oops my mistake I forgot that Turn-A was a newer series. Sorry I haven't seen it yet so I don't know much about it.

[TheDemonSlayer]

Hey your only human right?

[Traitor]

It started off really strong, but gradually lost steam as it went on. One of my least favorite Gundam series, I actually had a hard time finishing it.

No real offense to GSEED lovers, but I hated all of gundam SEED. SEED was a weak AU attempt at trying to bring back the original UC feel. I heard alot of good opionins on SEED and destiny, but watching that load of hogwash after seeing most of the UC series, I couldn't bother watching another bland and disgusting AU Gundam installation. But after seeing series after series butchering the Gundam legacy since Mobile Fighter and Wing, I'm afraid to see Studio Sunrise return to UC. Japanese animation altogether has gone down the crapper due to computer animating aid. Is there anyone who thought the '80s animation still looks great? *sighs* I'm going to miss those days.

[Quattro Ninja]

No real offense to GSEED lovers, but I hated all of gundam SEED. SEED was a weak AU attempt at trying to bring back the original UC feel. I heard alot of good opionins on SEED and destiny, but watching that load of hogwash after seeing most of the UC series, I couldn't bother watching another bland and disgusting AU Gundam installation. But after seeing series after series butchering the Gundam legacy since Mobile Fighter and Wing, I'm afraid to see Studio Sunrise return to UC. Japanese animation altogether has gone down the crapper due to computer animating aid. Is there anyone who thought the '80s animation still looks great? *sighs* I'm going to miss those days.

Nothing "butchered" the Gundam Universe as much as Wing did.

P.S. Most everyone here, including me, still love Zeta.

[Suiko Eiji]

No real offense to GSEED lovers, but I hated all of gundam SEED. SEED was a weak AU attempt at trying to bring back the original UC feel. I heard alot of good opionins on SEED and destiny, but watching that load of hogwash after seeing most of the UC series, I couldn't bother watching another bland and disgusting AU Gundam installation.

While over all I agree that SEED is nowhere near the level of quality of the original UC series is plays off of, I found it to be enjoyable once I came to the realization that there wasn't going to be any new ground broken. Story-wise, I wouldn't rank it very high (after all, if I wanted to see the story, I'll re-watch the movie trilogy of the OYW as I have in the past) but there were other elements that did at least make the experience enjoyable. I think SEED's strongpoint is the soundtrack, both BGM and OP/ED. For an OP/ED score that is exclusively J-POP, the songs chosen, I thought, were very weel done songs. They were catchy and they actually got me interested in some of the singers' other works (Nakashima Mika being the top of that bunch). The BGM score, while has a couple of faulty tracks in the begining of the series, I thought elevated to a very well worked soundtrack.

When I started watching SEED DESTINY, those pluses which had kept me on its predacessor did not carry over and according to some of the stuff I've heard about the series as it progressed, it maintained many of the faults from the first series as well.

While they aren't masterpieces, I wouldn't really call it simply garbage; there's a silver lining in every cloud is how the saying goes, I think. But one can find similar problems elsewhere in the UC stories: 08th MS Team is probably my favorite Gundam OAV but I didn't think the music to be very well done at all, yet I think 0083's only good thing is some of the mecha combat towards the end of the series. It's OP/EDs, like those of 0080, are medocre, at best. If we look at every Gundam series to come out since 1985, how many have reached the pinnacle of Zeta? Victory, and from what I gather, it's arguable that V is as good as Z. If we expect every Gundam series to be as good as Zeta, aren't we immediately setting ourselves up for failure.

[CrossboneGundam]

No real offense to GSEED lovers, but I hated all of gundam SEED. SEED was a weak AU attempt at trying to bring back the original UC feel. I heard alot of good opionins on SEED and destiny, but watching that load of hogwash after seeing most of the UC series, I couldn't bother watching another bland and disgusting AU Gundam installation. But after seeing series after series butchering the Gundam legacy since Mobile Fighter and Wing, I'm afraid to see Studio Sunrise return to UC. Japanese animation altogether has gone down the crapper due to computer animating aid. Is there anyone who thought the '80s animation still looks great? *sighs* I'm going to miss those days.

Yasuhiro Imagawa was Yoshiyuki Tomino's personal choice as to who should helm a non-Tomino, non-UC Gundam.

At any rate, G Gundam kicks ***. Anything you say to the contrary will be debunked and contradicted by more than one person here.

[Bernard_Monsha]

At any rate, G Gundam kicks ***. Anything you say to the contrary will be debunked and contradicted by more than one person here.


It has a freaking sombrero wearing gundam! That automatically qualifies it in *** kicking.

[Traitor]

While over all I agree that SEED is nowhere near the level of quality of the original UC series is plays off of, I found it to be enjoyable once I came to the realization that there wasn't going to be any new ground broken. Story-wise, I wouldn't rank it very high (after all, if I wanted to see the story, I'll re-watch the movie trilogy of the OYW as I have in the past) but there were other elements that did at least make the experience enjoyable. I think SEED's strongpoint is the soundtrack, both BGM and OP/ED. For an OP/ED score that is exclusively J-POP, the songs chosen, I thought, were very weel done songs. They were catchy and they actually got me interested in some of the singers' other works (Nakashima Mika being the top of that bunch). The BGM score, while has a couple of faulty tracks in the begining of the series, I thought elevated to a very well worked soundtrack.

When I started watching SEED DESTINY, those pluses which had kept me on its predacessor did not carry over and according to some of the stuff I've heard about the series as it progressed, it maintained many of the faults from the first series as well.

While they aren't masterpieces, I wouldn't really call it simply garbage; there's a silver lining in every cloud is how the saying goes, I think. But one can find similar problems elsewhere in the UC stories: 08th MS Team is probably my favorite Gundam OAV but I didn't think the music to be very well done at all, yet I think 0083's only good thing is some of the mecha combat towards the end of the series. It's OP/EDs, like those of 0080, are medocre, at best. If we look at every Gundam series to come out since 1985, how many have reached the pinnacle of Zeta? Victory, and from what I gather, it's arguable that V is as good as Z. If we expect every Gundam series to be as good as Zeta, aren't we immediately setting ourselves up for failure.

My personal thoughts of the music used for SEED.... mmm I won't go there. I could care less if they never had any music to begin with. I could care less if they played grindcore or punk rock. As for that guy who said Mobile Fighter was good, that's great. But when I come to think about it, the original UC series were far better due to a more militaristic feel. The only AU series I bothered with watching was Gundam X...merely because it was after Gundam Wing in the lineup. I heard it wasn't all that successful though but whatever I didn't mind it. Zeta represents the backbone of gundam's success because the AEUG looked more like the good guys rather than the EFSF. I personally enjoyed the storyline's inverted perspective, and that's why I'll never forget Zeta. 0083 had a poor storyline..well maybe it didn't - I mean goddamn the series was only 13 episodes! 0083's line of mecha were VERY interesting...especially with the GP03/Dendrobium. I liked that woman's red mecha, though...I was told it was the GP04 prototype. Oh well, I haven't watched Gundam in years. I'm thinking of watching Zeta over again just for the hell of it.

[Suiko Eiji]

My personal thoughts of the music used for SEED.... mmm I won't go there. I could care less if they never had any music to begin with. I could care less if they played grindcore or punk rock.

Given the case with most anime with J-Pop themes, typically the theme becomes a transparent means of selling albums. Gundam SEEDs singles could actually have fit with the series, which is a beautiful plus.

But when I come to think about it, the original UC series were far better due to a more militaristic feel.

Because the majority of the UC anime storylines (Zeta, Victory, possibly and I think F-91 aside) are combat between two organized militaries. Char's Counterattack and 0083, I can go back and forth whether the Zeon depicted there were a "real" military or not, simply debating myself. SEED lost that military conflict when there was the split between and the destruction of Orb.

Zeta represents the backbone of gundam's success because the AEUG looked more like the good guys rather than the EFSF.

I don't think the pinnacle should represent the backbone. That's just setting yourself up for failure and disappointment with every subsequent sequel. I think Zeta is what makes Great Gundam and something every series, as far as quality is concerned, should strive for, but should not be expected.

AEUG looks like the good guys because they are the good guys. While the majority of the ESFF is caught up in bloated bueracracy, the Titans were given the okay to do whatever, and the Titans were controlled by some seriously distrubed individuals. A lot of people will make comparisons of the OYW Zeon to Nazi Germany but I think the Titans were probably closer to something like the Schutzstaffel. Londo Bell, however, gave the viewer reason to cheer for the Feds again, even me, despite being a hardcore Zeon fan.

0083 had a poor storyline..well maybe it didn't - I mean goddamn the series was only 13 episodes!

I have some minor gripes with 0083's storyline. I think the beginning premise, on paper, is great. The way it turned to the end of the series, there are a number of things I would have done different. What is worst about the storyline, is while it makes some foreshadowing to characters in Zeta Gundam (most notably Basque/Bosk Ohm), some of the mecha designs tend to jerk around with story continuity, I believe.

Honestly, I don't care how long it was. 08th MS Team was 12 and managed to put out a decent quality story; 0080 was only 6 and it has an awesome story. F-91 was shortened down from a 50 episode TV series to 1 film and I felt it carried out a story better than 0083. Don't try and turn this around as it being under-developed. Whoever was writing that story fell asleep at thier desk; apperently their editors and whoever cleared the project to finish as it did fell asleep as well.

[chaos link]

Gundam Seed is probably the most Dramatic and Romantically insane anime I have ever watch. I don'nt know but this one gotta be the same thing as the first one.

[Effect]

Gundam Seed Destiny overall was a horrible series. I'm glad it's over.

Like said, it started very strong. The first few episodes were great but after that it's as if the creative staff all just stood up and left and were replaced by these hacks. After the Minerva left Orb the very first time the show went down hill and just continued week after week. Which resulted in one of the worst ending battles I've ever seen.

I'll stick with far better quality Gundams shows thank you. Shows like Turna A Gundam (best Gundam show and one of the best animes done I feel), Zeta Gundam, Gundam X(highly underrated and deserved better).

[TheDemonSlayer]

Wow that's kind of harsh don't you think? I mean I understand that there are those who either loved it or hated it, but that's just way to harsh in my opinion. But then again that is what it comes down to in the end isn't it? Once you finish a series, it's up to the viewer to judge the show. But getting off of that, I also loved Mobile Fighter G Gundam, you can probably tell from the G Gundam thread I started a while back. I also enjoyed the 08th MS Team, the original Mobile Suit Gundam, and Gundam Wing. I unfortunately haven't really seen but a hand full of episodes from other titles like Zeta Gundam, but I do intend to do so very soon.

[Traitor]

Gundam Seed Destiny overall was a horrible series. I'm glad it's over.

Like said, it started very strong. The first few episodes were great but after that it's as if the creative staff all just stood up and left and were replaced by these hacks. After the Minerva left Orb the very first time the show went down hill and just continued week after week. Which resulted in one of the worst ending battles I've ever seen.

I'll stick with far better quality Gundams shows thank you. Shows like Turna A Gundam (best Gundam show and one of the best animes done I feel), Zeta Gundam, Gundam X(highly underrated and deserved better).

For all those who hated on Destiny, prepare for a 3rd installment - Stargazers.

[Effect]

Actually those that hated Destiny might like Stargazers. Mainly because Fukuda and his wife aren't apart of it's production. All the problems with Destiny originate from these two. That right there increases it's chances of being better then SEED Destiny at least 200% I feel, if not more.

[HitokiriShadow]

While Stargazers is part of the SEED universe, it isn't really the 'third installment.' It's a spin-off OVA, similar to 0080, 0083 and 08th MS Team were to the U.C. timeline. It will take place shortly before the beginning of Destiny.

However, it has been confirmed that there will be an original movie as well, and that may be a direct sequal to Destiny.

[Suiko Eiji]

^Would it be safe to consider Stargazers to be like ASTRAY, or is ASTRAY just mecha variants?

[Vaikyuko]

Let's clarify for everyone who seems to be a little misled:

1) C.E.73 Stargazer is a three episode (each episode runs fifteen minutes long) ONA that will be broadcast on Bandai's site. It takes place during DESTINY's "Break The World" event, where rogue Coordinators using special GINNs attempt to drop Junius Seven onto Earth and thusly start a new war.

2) There is a DESTINY sequel announced by Sunrise as being a Fukuda directed film.

3) There is no official word on a third SEED series, although it has been rumored many times, especially the popular "Gundam SEED ETERNITY" rumor (which was completely unfounded, from what I can tell).

[TheDemonSlayer]

Hmmm, this all sounds very interesting indeed, and I've heard about the same thing as Treize X has just sayed, but I am a bit worried. Although I would watch a new SEED series, I have doubts. My doubts are founded on the fact that they may be over doing it, two is enough, but sometimes they get greedy and want more. Now this doesn't mean that it would turn out this way either, I would love to see my beloved Freedom in another duel to the finish, but seeing the past history of certain titles, this cannot be helped....

[TheDemonSlayer]

So who else has seen this series?

[teknoman]

Well, I did a lot of research on Gundam Seed Destiny including the number of episodes. As you guys already know that Gundam Seed Destiny is 50 episodes but do you guys know that there's another episode called Final Plus which is supposed to be an epilogue. check it out

http://mahq.net/animation/gundam/seed-destiny/fplus.htm

It seems to me that it did the same thing like Gundam Seed did. You see, in Gundam Seed after episode 50 there's a 5 minute epilogue. So it seems that Gundam Seed Destiny did the same thing also this time there's an epilogue too.

While Stargazers is part of the SEED universe, it isn't really the 'third installment.' It's a spin-off OVA, similar to 0080, 0083 and 08th MS Team were to the U.C. timeline. It will take place shortly before the beginning of Destiny.

However, it has been confirmed that there will be an original movie as well, and that may be a direct sequal to Destiny.


I totally agree with HitokiriShadow on that one the anime. As for the anime Mobile Suit Gundam SEED C.E. 73 STARGAZER it's going to be a 3 part OAV. check it out

http://mahq.net/animation/gundam/seed-stargazer/gssgmain.htm

[Rahxephon91]

The thing about Final Plus is, that it really shouldent exsist. Fukada(sp) should gave planned the show better so that the last episode wasent rushed so bad.

[Magami No ER]

^better then leaving it the way it was as to appear ignorant to...crappy endings when compared to the good point of the series.^^;

[TheDemonSlayer]

Very interesting indeed, so do you think the plus is worth seeing?

[Dij]

Im new to Gundam (but not to anime) and ive just recently started watching Mobile Suit Gundam Wing. I also have the full Seed Destiny series to watch and hope it will be as excellent as MSGW.

[teknoman]

The thing about Final Plus is, that it really shouldent exsist. Fukada(sp) should gave planned the show better so that the last episode wasent rushed so bad.

I totally agree, but how long is Final Plus?

[HitokiriShadow]

It's just the last episode with an additional 5 or 10 minutes. I think its closer to 5.

[TheDemonSlayer]

Ok I finally watched episode 51, and it was ok. I liked how they added a new opening title, and the ending was pretty cool as well.

[Suki]

I heard that there was something called Gundam Seed : BREAK!

I dunno. I read the article here somewhere.

[TheDemonSlayer]

I heard about "Stargazer", but not that, who knows.

[Suki]

I give it a 4/10.

Inconsistent storyline + uninteresting Gundams (with the exception of the title suit) + LOTS of reused scenes and flashbacks = Bad Gundam series.

What I liked about the series is the soundtrack and some mecha fight scenes

[TheDemonSlayer]

Wow that's depressing to hear, but I do see your point as well. But I liked all of the Gundam designs personally, and the story wasn't that bad, not the best, but not the worst. And although the storyline was a bit "inconsistent" at times, it didn't ruin the series for me, I mean the fact that I completed the series evidence enough that it wasn't all that bad. But like I've said earlier in this thread, everyone has different concepts and preferences when they watch anime titles, and this one just didn't do it for some, while others enjoyed it just because it was gundam...

[Wraith Gundam]

Wow that's depressing to hear, but I do see your point as well. But I liked all of the Gundam designs personally, and the story wasn't that bad, not the best, but not the worst. And although the storyline was a bit "inconsistent" at times, it didn't ruin the series for me, I mean the fact that I completed the series evidence enough that it wasn't all that bad. But like I've said earlier in this thread, everyone has different concepts and preferences when they watch anime titles, and this one just didn't do it for some, while others enjoyed it just because it was gundam...

I agree, not a bad series overall and a lot better than Wing, though I did feel that the last episode was somewhat rushed and was pleased after I saw the final plus, it wrapped most loose ends up nicely.

By the way, here's a link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpyQpjDBz4I&search=gundam%20stargazer) to a promo for Stargazer, looks quite good.

[MightyDustLoop]

I thought Destiny made Wing look like Shakespeare but to each his own

[TheDemonSlayer]

Yeah Stargazer looks to be quite interesting so far, I hope to get the chance to check it out soon...

[TheDemonSlayer]

Does anyone have any recent info on Stargazer?

[Suiko Eiji]

Does anyone have any recent info on Stargazer?

Check this thread (http://www.animenation.net/forums/showthread.php?t=194351&page=2&pp=15)

[greg]

What do I think of Gundam Seed Destiny? I caught a couple of episodes with my friend on our trip to Japan in April on Kids Station. While the beginning credits were rolling, I said, "This has a lot of female characters for a Gundam series." Then as we started watching it, I then realized and said, "Oh my, those aren't female characters afterall."

But with pretty much any other stupid Gundam show, at least the robots look cool.

[teknoman]

I found a video clip of the english subtitled version and the english dubbed version. check this video clip out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnDUn7XWV7Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCzS0kMDB_Y

The clip that you guys are watching is the english subtitled version comparing it to the english dubbed version. I know that some of you guys already know that the english dubbed version is completely messed up. So what do you guys think of the english dubbed version so far? & Why?

[germanturkey]

omg omg omg omg omg... they've killed Meylin... she sounds like your typical spoiled 12 year old ditzy blond girl...

well, at least they didn't kill Fields of Hope much... sounds like a 14 year old singing though.. jap pv is much better

[TheDemonSlayer]

Yeah I'm seeing more and more how they screw up the english dubs on alot of titles. I mean when I saw a few clips of the dub on YouTube, I was pretty mad.