The Hating on Yaoi Fangirls

[Lockheart]

Ah~ That is a great way to describe it.... The yaoi fangirl vs fan of yaoi part. *thumbs up*

Though I'm a yaoi fan, I agree that crazy yaoi fangirls can be very annoying. I don't like people who push their ideas and opinions onto others. The difficult part is that negatives seem to always stereotype things, so if someone says they're a yaoi fan, many equate that as being a yaoi fangirl. Sad, but true.

I just want to throw a shoe at my screen whenever I come across some of these girls. I mean, I understand that shipping is a wonderful thing and it's great if you meet people who share similar interests, but really, there is no need to portray yourself as brain-dead in expressing that love. Meanings can get through the same way without the excessive use of !!!!! or HE'S SO HOT or the ever common ^___^_^__^.

And indeed, I've noticed in many forums I'm in that the Yaoi Fangirl label is slapped on whoever shows a remote interest in Yaoi, and therefore, also comes with many stereotypes. It's frustrating, but that's just the way it is. (I've also noticed a particular stereotype in that yaoi fangirls are fat and ugly, which is just plain hilarious! :lol: )

[typhonblue]

I just want to throw a shoe at my screen whenever I come across some of these girls. I mean, I understand that shipping is a wonderful thing and it's great if you meet people who share similar interests, but really, there is no need to portray yourself as brain-dead in expressing that love.p

I'm not sure why guys get so het up over shipping. It's not like they never ship hot women with guys said hot women would never find attractive. And even bring these fantasies into real life. It's just men shipping hot women with men those women, one assumes, find unattractive is a multi-billion dollar industry.

Let the girls have their strange slash pairings. The boys get hot chicks boinking the bog monster(or eachother). All in full color and surround sound.

And indeed, I've noticed in many forums I'm in that the Yaoi Fangirl label is slapped on whoever shows a remote interest in Yaoi, and therefore, also comes with many stereotypes. It's frustrating, but that's just the way it is. (I've also noticed a particular stereotype in that yaoi fangirls are fat and ugly, which is just plain hilarious! :lol: )

I'm thinking, at least from what I've seen of anime/comic conventions, that Otaku shouldn't be harshin' on the fat and ugly girls. After all fat and ugly girls are the reason why 80% (I'm leaving room for the relatively fewer hot as hell Otaku boys) of Otakus will ever have a chance at getting laid(or married.)

BTW, conventions tend to attract a particular type of person, the type that feels the need to belong via shared interests. These people tend not to be, well, less attractive (and less cognizant of personal hygiene for some reason.)

I, personally, am not ugly. You could make the case for fat, as I'm a size 14, but I ain't ugly. :)

[GokuMew2]

I just want to throw a shoe at my screen whenever I come across some of these girls. I mean, I understand that shipping is a wonderful thing and it's great if you meet people who share similar interests, but really, there is no need to portray yourself as brain-dead in expressing that love. Meanings can get through the same way without the excessive use of !!!!! or HE'S SO HOT or the ever common ^___^_^__^.

And indeed, I've noticed in many forums I'm in that the Yaoi Fangirl label is slapped on whoever shows a remote interest in Yaoi, and therefore, also comes with many stereotypes. It's frustrating, but that's just the way it is. (I've also noticed a particular stereotype in that yaoi fangirls are fat and ugly, which is just plain hilarious! :lol: )
There is this particular girl whom I see at pretty much every convention I go to (I don't go to many) and she's always trying to get me to read this certain pairing when I have no interest in it at all. I mean, I don't tell her flat out that I don't care because I don't want to be mean, but man... She should get the point. It's unfortunate that I kinda cosplay one of the characters in her OTP. That's actually how I "met" her.

I often say so and so character is hot. =x Lately it's been Ren from NANA, haha. (Mmm.... Ren......) But it's done in my personal journal where I can be as dorky as I want.

....I'm not fangirl, I promise! *cough* I just have my.... moments. :P

I'm actually quite picky when it comes to slashing. I really don't like people who are like, "THEY TOUCHED!!! *slashes*" Those are the annoying fangirls. I'll admit there is one crack pairing I don't mind though... Greed x Scar from FMA, even though they've never met, LoL. Why? Because they're the coolest characters in the series. *cough* No, well, partially, but mainly because of their seiyuu... Suwabe Junichi and Okiayu Ryoutarou, who happen to voice my Tenipuri OTP, Atobe and Tezuka, respectively. Haha. So I'd say let people have fun with their pairings. Fans just need to know how to control themselves, that's all. Once they start talking out loud in public places and going into detail things that shouldn't be said aloud, that's when they've definitely crossed the line between fan and fangirl.

And for the record, I weigh less than 100 lbs. .o_O;

[Leader Desslock]

I'm not sure why guys get so het up over shipping. It's not like they never ship hot women with guys said hot women would never find attractive.
Which was why I made two points earlier:

1) OOC character pairings are annoying no matter what type of relationship we're talking about, and

2) If guys viewing porn were as loud, giggly and squealy as the the subset of Yaoi afficionadoes we're calling "fangirls", then they'd be just as annoying.

I mean, I don't tell her flat out that I don't care because I don't want to be mean, but man... She should get the point.
I think I would probably grab such an individual on both sides of her head, put my face 5 inches from hers, then bellow a Vaderesque "NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!" for as long as I had air to maintain full volume. Problem solved.

[typhonblue]

2) If guys viewing porn were as loud, giggly and squealy as the the subset of Yaoi afficionadoes we're calling "fangirls", then they'd be just as annoying.


Oh, believe me, horny guys can be just as annoying.

I remember once, there was a couple of guys who started whistling at me. I ignored them as I'm not in the habit of answering to whistles, not being of the canine pursuasion. They started hollering. I still didn't respond. Eventually they called me a ***** and gave up.

Other guys have followed me and pestered me, and pestered me, and pestered me. They have signed up for the same classes I'm in, they have followed me in the halls, they have professed their undying love day after day after day. And I have tried to get them to stop. And then they get mean.

And then there are the guys who take it upon themselves to insult you just cause you aren't their type. "Hey lookit the butterfly on that one!"

I have yet to see these yaoi fangirls of which everyone speaks (at least not in person and in large numbers) but I highly doubt they can ever reach the levels of sheer, mindless annoyance as a pack of teenage boys on the prowl. (Plus it sounds like they're a very localized phenomenon.)

[GokuMew2]

2) If guys viewing porn were as loud, giggly and squealy as the the subset of Yaoi afficionadoes we're calling "fangirls", then they'd be just as annoying.

I think I would probably grab such an individual on both sides of her head, put my face 5 inches from hers, then bellow a Vaderesque "NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!" for as long as I had air to maintain full volume. Problem solved.
I've experienced guys acting as you have described before. They holler and whistle while watching and have those exaggerated laughs. Not to say that they all act like this, but I've seen some who do. (The hentai room was next to the yaoi one.)

Haha, I think it would be lovely if you could come and do that on my behalf. .^^

[Leader Desslock]

Okay, so if it makes everyone happy you can change it to "When guys viewing porn are as loud, giggly and squealy as the the subset of Yaoi afficionadoes we're calling "fangirls", then they are be just as annoying."

And since we're going that far, let's just say that any aggressive and extended public display of immaturity on the part of anyone old enough to know better is annoying. Doesn't have to be about sex of any kind. There's nothing wrong with being immature; it's the act of constantly broadcasting it that sets peoples' nerves on edge.

As various authors are often attributed as saying, "If you must be ignorant, then at least have the good sense to be silent."

There. Now that shouldn't offend anyone. Anybody capable of carrying their fandom with a shred of decorum knows that I'm not talking about them. Everyone else has been warned that if they don't grow up and act at least half their age, they may someday find a blue guy screaming in their face as a reminder of the importance of socially considerate behaviour.

[typhonblue]

Just a sec... cause I have to say that guys/girls in a room giggling and squealing at porn doesn't really offend me or make me think they're immature (after all if they keep it in confined quarters among the like minded they are showing off some restraint).

It's when these people spill out onto the world and harrass innocent bystanders with their stupidity that the problems arise.

[GokuMew2]

Just a sec... cause I have to say that guys/girls in a room giggling and squealing at porn doesn't really offend me or make me think they're immature (after all if they keep it in confined quarters among the like minded they are showing off some restraint).

It's when these people spill out onto the world and harrass innocent bystanders with their stupidity that the problems arise.
Agreed.

I don't care if guys act like fanboys in the hentai room, but I was just saying that some guys out there do act like fangirls and are annoying just the same.

I feel sorry for non-convention hotel guests at Yaoi-Con. People will talk out loud about yaoi in front of people who would rather not hear of such things.

[Lockheart]

Let the girls have their strange slash pairings. The boys get hot chicks boinking the bog monster(or eachother). All in full color and surround sound.

'Strange' slash pairings do exist no matter where you venture in fandoms. ;) It's another issue when said slash pairings get shoved down your throat no matter how far you try and stay away from them, which is a scenario that occurred far too frequently for my liking. I'd love a long talk with someone who shares my love with say, Koizumi-->Kyon or SeishirouxSubaru, but I have little to zero interest in Sanji x Luffy, Ansem x Sora or other ridiculous pairings. It's fine if people ship them, just... don't spread it around like a propaganda. (I see that this has somewhat turned into a rant, and I apologize - this happened just a while ago and this is a good place to let it loose. :'( )

I'm actually quite picky when it comes to slashing. I really don't like people who are like, "THEY TOUCHED!!! *slashes*" Those are the annoying fangirls. I'll admit there is one crack pairing I don't mind though... Greed x Scar from FMA, even though they've never met, LoL. Why? Because they're the coolest characters in the series. *cough* No, well, partially, but mainly because of their seiyuu... Suwabe Junichi and Okiayu Ryoutarou, who happen to voice my Tenipuri OTP, Atobe and Tezuka, respectively. Haha. So I'd say let people have fun with their pairings. Fans just need to know how to control themselves, that's all. Once they start talking out loud in public places and going into detail things that shouldn't be said aloud, that's when they've definitely crossed the line between fan and fangirl.

Being a longtime yaoi fan at heart, there are indeed many potential pairings that made me crack a smile a bit, but few that I really get into. Seishirou/Subaru, once more, because of the amazing level of history and depth that leads to this, twisted, fascinating thing between them, how such a fall could reduce a pure-hearted man to someone like this... (sorry :P ) and many other pairings. And you're right, I do find it annoying when people slash men randomly, though it's none of my business anyway and I'm all right as long as they leave me out of it. ;)

And that's quite the experience you have with cons there. XD (I've never been to one.)

And for the record, I weigh less than 100 lbs. .o_O;

Seconded. *pats hips* :P

[GokuMew2]

Being a longtime yaoi fan at heart, there are indeed many potential pairings that made me crack a smile a bit, but few that I really get into. Seishirou/Subaru, once more, because of the amazing level of history and depth that leads to this, twisted, fascinating thing between them, how such a fall could reduce a pure-hearted man to someone like this... (sorry :P ) and many other pairings. And you're right, I do find it annoying when people slash men randomly, though it's none of my business anyway and I'm all right as long as they leave me out of it. ;)
Exactly! The problem is that many will be all loud and overly giddy about it, which of course annoys everyone. Have second helpings of crack if you want, but please be mature about it. .>_>;

Fuuma x Kamui OTP! *cough*

And that's quite the experience you have with cons there. XD (I've never been to one.)
Hehe, you should go; they're fun. Just steer clear of the fangirls.

[Animematt55]

I am going to a con this march....I am scared...of the yaoi girl stories.

[Ariel Tsuki]

However, if you're thinking about the whole latest Kurogane x Fai fiasco, and how the anti-yaoi fandom was babbling about how it's all friendship and everything between them, and how it's impossible to have them turn 'YAOI' for many reasons...

Dude, do those people remember it's CLAMP of all people. Reading up to Volume 15, it did seems to have a lot of strong subtext between the two...
Direct me to this place, man!

And I'm shocked this thread is alive...

[dubs kill anime]

Yaoi fangirls are just as annoying as any other person that watches an obscene amount of porn. The DIFFERANCE is that most guys who watch that much porn are *** holes while Yaoi fangirls can still be decent people so (I personally) end up making friends with more Yaoi fangirls. So more has happened to me that would make me lean more towards hateing Yaoi fangirls than just random idiotic porn watching guys....that and the fact that some fangirls may really be in love with their bishies....it can get annoying........ especially when your best friend completely forgets about your existance if a picture of Kurama is anywhere nearby :( opinionated? I'm not feeling opinionated! How dare you!

[ShanceChance]

1) It's become socially acceptable to enjoy yaoi, but a sin to enjoy any other type of anime porn. A girl who likes yaoi is seen as normal. A guy who likes whatever he likes is seen as an evil pervert.

2) It's more socially acceptable at cons for yaoi fangirls to act like porn-obsessed 12-year-olds than it is for a guy to. A guy who acts like a pervert is called such and seen as offensive. Because a yaoi fangirl is more likely to scream, *****, whine, and make accusations of "homophobia!", she is less likely to have her inappropriate behavior dealt with accordingly.

3) I've seen fangirls outright stalk gay/bi men at cons, as well as men they perceive as gay/bi, or men cosplaying characters that they think are "omfg hottttt!!111" together. Not every man wants this. Most men don't want this. Most people don't want this. As a woman, I don't want to be begged for a photograph for someone's perverted fantasy of me. I'd be sure to contact convention staff for it. I've seen girls continue to follow these men around, after they've answered "no", going as far as to offer money for it.

4) There is nothing left to convince me at this point that liking yaoi somehow makes someone more "tolerant". At a con I went to, some brat with a yaoi paddle went and spanked a newly-married lesbian couple with a yaoi paddle and told them "lesbians are gross. Go straight!". I went to the board for the particular convention's yaoi room, and what was I told? "That's two more points for our side, yay!" and "Lesbians are gross. That girl was right!". If this isn't homophobia and crossing the line between fantasy and reality, I do not know what is!

[DazzleKitty]

I've heard that story about the fangirl calling the lesbians gross. I think it's horrible that someone could do that to anyone. I would have taken that girl's paddle and knocked the sh*t out of her.

[fujyoshi]

I've heard that story about the fangirl calling the lesbians gross. I think it's horrible that someone could do that to anyone. I would have taken that girl's paddle and knocked the sh*t out of her.

True that is kinda mean too. I wouldn't say that I'd do something like that but I know one thing yuri is VERY scary to me 0_0

[ShanceChance]

True that is kinda mean too. I wouldn't say that I'd do something like that but I know one thing yuri is VERY scary to me 0_0

These were real actual lesbians though... not "yuri", which is anime/manga lesbians. This person was not only rude, but also homophobic (as well as sexist and misogynist) and unable to distinguish what is real with what is fantasy.

[Animematt55]

I've heard that story about the fangirl calling the lesbians gross. I think it's horrible that someone could do that to anyone. I would have taken that girl's paddle and knocked the sh*t out of her.
i have heard many of these stories too. I would of beat the **** out of that girl. And yes, i do believe all the stories, they are just too believeable.

EDIT: anyone know what con, and year this was at?

[same_animefan]

Man, that's scary >_>. Kinda making me second guess even trying cons. I hate people like that, talk about hypocritical. Really! I'd take the paddle and beat the little b*tch with it. That's just horrible...and the stalking...creepy 0-0;;

[paputsza]

The pure yaoi fangirls have no clue as to what this stereotype is. They have their own online communities. There are more yaoi fangirls than you think there are in America but they only show their true selves at anime conventions. It's stupid when people try to be yaoi fangirls to be cool. No, they should do it only because they think it's hot or because you'll get more hits, reviews, w/e.

And the reason it's not the same as PORN is because it isn't usually PORN. It's emotional porn that makes us go "kawaii!". The 18+ yaoi manga usually has a whole volume with only one page of gay sex, and with nothing really shown. Manga like Gravitation and Boy Princess, don't have nudity at all, just kissing at most and implied sex somewhere off in doujinshi land. Heck, I've been a yaoi fangirl for several years now, and still don't like gay porn. We actually don't want any guys to take off their underwear. We don't even seriously want them to take off anything at all. We like to tease and convince them to read Gravitation since "It's about a band" (this works. They read/ watch it and usually actually finish the series, it's one of the funniest mangas ever, if you dispute me pm me). For this is why a yaoi fangirl is different from a guy that likes porn. We also refuse to take part under any circumstance but holding the camera and practically refuse to be seen on the same role of film.

For that paddle scandal, those girls were b*tchs and probably thirteen. The young yaoi fangirls don't know the fangirl rules of conduct. Namely the underlying goal of defeating sexism by having a relative interest with gay romance that many guys have with lesbian porn. That's the reason why so many lesbians like yaoi too, spite.

Eventually they will learn certain rules such as: "don't be an a-hole", "be secretive", "what an ear of corn stands for", etc.

They may even find out the mystery of what that glowly tube down below in every yaoi anime is.

[paputsza]

One more time, yaoi is not porn. It's shoujo with men. Yaoi is grown men, shounen-ai is teenaged men. The pornographic content of yaoi ranges from the almost identical one page of gay sex that they have in a volume of the really hard core yaoi to an implied but not relationship between men.

I almost get that same feeling from pictures of fuzzy baby animals.

[typhonblue]

Hey. The stuff I like is very much porn. That's why I like it.

Let's stop whitewashing this issue and pretending to be 'holier-then-thou' then the hentai fanboys.

We should stand in solidarity against a harsh world that would sneer at us for our love of teh cartoon smexxings.

[VidelCoolGirl]

One more time, yaoi is not porn. It's shoujo with men. Yaoi is grown men, shounen-ai is teenaged men. The pornographic content of yaoi ranges from the almost identical one page of gay sex that they have in a volume of the really hard core yaoi to an implied but not relationship between men.

So then is Yuri not porn? Since its the same thing but with the opposite gender?

[ShanceChance]

I have seen plenty of yaoi which is far more than one page of "cute" sex with the guys' faces, backs, and butts.

You can say "it's not porn because it has plot!" or "it's not porn because it is romantic!", but there are many hentai anime, manga, and games with these elements. There are plenty of live-action porn films with plot and artistic merit. Having a plot or artistic merit does not make something "not porn". There are also yaoi which do not have a plot ("no plot and no purpose" was what the idea of yaoi originally was, in fact) and there are yaoi which are about rape, degradation, and mindless sex, so if "yaoi" has to have plot and romance, would those titles be under a different genre?

I'm female and can fully admit that the tiny bit of yaoi I like is hardcore porn, and that I look at it for the porn.

There's nothing wrong with being female and liking porn and watching/looking at it to get turned on. Females have sex drives just like males, and it's not something to be ashamed of.

The problem is the BL/yaoi fangirls who take their sexual interests and shove it in people's faces or scream about it. I don't know why they get such kicks from shoving a hardcore yaoi doujinshi in some straight guy's face (and I mean the average straight guy, for whom seeing male/male sex does nothing and is often repulsive). I met some guy who gave a screaming yaoi fangirl a taste of her own medicine up by shoving a straight guro and incest manga in her face.

[adadqgg]

Girls like yaoi???

I like Yuri.

We are even.

Unless there are guys who hates Yuri...which would not make much sense.

[VidelCoolGirl]

Unless there are guys who hates Yuri...which would not make much sense.
Its that sort of mentality that makes people ignorant. Putting gender under a media created label is annoying. There are guys who just aren't into porn and are more of a 'man' than most porn fans out there. Just saying.

[Suiko Eiji]

Why was a three year old thread necroed for the sake of "not all yaoi is porn" and "blame the younger members of our community because we can't control them"?

The problem is the BL/yaoi fangirls who take their sexual interests and shove it in people's faces or scream about it. I don't know why they get such kicks from shoving a hardcore yaoi doujinshi in some straight guy's face (and I mean the average straight guy, for whom seeing male/male sex does nothing and is often repulsive). I met some guy who gave a screaming yaoi fangirl a taste of her own medicine up by shoving a straight guro and incest manga in her face.

If this were Slashdot, I'd give you so many mod-points your head would spin.

[fujyoshi]

/heh I'm an air head just for having a 2D complex. Actually no well they said show these things at anime cons but I can't even do then when all I go wit is my mom. Then again you guys try coming from a close minded environment and see if you wouldn't have to hide things, but meh I am only a psycho online, but thats probably about it.

[Old Ape Face]

Its that sort of mentality that makes people ignorant. Putting gender under a media created label is annoying. There are guys who just aren't into porn and are more of a 'man' than most porn fans out there. Just saying.

I think it is more outspoken to the majority of the public media, I would understand if girls prefer Yaoi over Yuri, it's Male on male, opposite sex on opposite sex, makes sence to me.

Same fundamental reason why I prefer Yuri over Yaoi, I'm a guy, I'm attracted to girls, it's a natural attraction.

I would feel awkward if I met a guy who enjoyed Yaoi, simply becuase I'm not interested in the male gender, and that is invading my personal space a little bit, but I don't out right disagree with their personal choice.

The stereotypically popularity vote in the modern media is male on male sexual interaction is morally uncanny and diverts attention. Simply becuase a male is usually represented as the tough anti lovable type who feels shameful for expressing attraction to their male peers. The Male mind seems to be more dominant then the female and confronting another guy is unheard of.

But the irony is female on female is perfectly acceptable to most of the public pop culture media. Stereotypically becuase the female is softer and more caring and cute all emotion bringing out romance with one another.

In all honesty I don't understand Homosexuality as a natural personal interest to begin with. Hormonally it's attractive, but it doesn't promote any sort of maternity results, It's like having sex while keeping your fear of having a baby so you go for the your own gender instead for sexual enjoyment.

[DiaxoYomi]

Isn't this just an interestingly, long thread ^^? I've met a few yaoi fan girls when I went to a few cons. I find it funny doing simple gay things to have them scream. I do admit it is VERY creepy when these fanatics want your number.

I don't believe all yaoi girls are like that though. Stereotypes are something I myself really hate. Being gay, I dislike the whole queeny stereotype that makes it seem like I should be a girl. Admittedly, I'm not masculine, but I don't think of myself as being femmy either.

In other words, I can totally see how a yaoi girl feels like she is being hated on cuz of the stereotype that sadly befalls them. The extreme groups always get applied it would seem.

[goddessofanime]

Paddles with 13 year olds?!


I haven't experienced yaoi fangirls yet from what I've seen on the net. Just stupid fanboys who want to be Japanese.

[ThePhillyFlash]

Girls like yaoi???

I like Yuri.

We are even.

Unless there are guys who hates Yuri...which would not make much sense.

I agree, that wouldn't make any sense. I'm a guy and I enjoy yuri. Heck, I don't hate anyone, to each their own!

[amadeo]

Well, I don't mind straight characters being turned gay in fanfiction, as long as, as many of you also said, the writing is good. I laughed my @ss off reading a Glorfindel/Legolas fic, it was...precious, heh.
As far as fangirls go, I believe in any fandom vapid ones can be found - I see no distinction between a bird-brained yaoi fangirl and a bird-brained groupie, for example.

[Old Ape Face]

I agree, that wouldn't make any sense. I'm a guy and I enjoy yuri. Heck, I don't hate anyone, to each their own!

those guys who don't like Girl on Girl must really like Guy on Guy.

And if they hate both then they must live in a zoo.

[Shakuras]

I think its only a matter of time before someone or some people start beating the crap out yaoi fan*****es at conventions. Non yaoi fans have been more than patient with them to do something about those problematic fans. I personally believe its way overdue.

[goddessofanime]

I honestly don't like yaoi but whatever.....

just don't act like an arse

[old hat]

I have been seeing people talk about yaoi fangirls on internet forums for years but I have never actually encountered one in person. I talked to a woman who was browsing through yaoi manga at Borders but she didn't seem particuarly loud. She seemed like a reasonable, pleasant young woman. We talked a bit about shojo manga.

I have encountered a loud and really crude Inuyasha fan and the usual manga cows sitting in the aisles reading but never one of the yaoi fangirls I see argued about on the internet.

[YuriFanboy]

I've never met a yaoi fangirl as described on the internet either. I'm not really into yaoi, but it sucks that the whole fandom gets painted with that stereotype.

[goddessofanime]

I tend to stay away from sites that have fangirls who squee.

[Shakuras]

I've never met a yaoi fangirl as described on the internet either. I'm not really into yaoi, but it sucks that the whole fandom gets painted with that stereotype.

They've brought it on themselves. They know what's going in their own fandom and are doing nothing about it. Except, try to downplay it and pretend it isn't a big deal to be hitting complete strangers with paddles, running behind gay men yelling buttsex,over and over, etc. This has been going on for years and years. Again, someone's goonna snap on their *** one of these days. I'm surprise no one's done so already.

Now if an ero/yuri fanboy behaved this way, we would hear no end to this.

[goddessofanime]

Paddles...?????????


Aren't most of these girls below legal age?

[adadqgg]

Paddles...?????????


Aren't most of these girls below legal age?

Lol.

Paddles...

I do not see the connection between Paddles and Yaoi...

[ShanceChance]

They've brought it on themselves. They know what's going in their own fandom and are doing nothing about it. Except, try to downplay it and pretend it isn't a big deal to be hitting complete strangers with paddles, running behind gay men yelling buttsex,over and over, etc. This has been going on for years and years. Again, someone's goonna snap on their *** one of these days. I'm surprise no one's done so already.

Now if an ero/yuri fanboy behaved this way, we would hear no end to this.

Well, just try to teach one of these idiot fangirls a lesson. You'll either get accused of being homo'phobic, anti-feminist, or both.

[Shakuras]

Well, just try to teach one of these idiot fangirls a lesson. You'll either get accused of being homo'phobic, anti-feminist, or both.

You know it. Though, at this point, I couldn't care less what labels the *****es will throw at me. :)

[kittynboi]

Well, they need an actual gay guy to tell them off. Let's see the homophobia accusation fly then.

[ShanceChance]

Even though the say we're homo'phobic and anti-feminist for going against their outrageous behavior, many of them hate lesbians and aren't all that fond of other ladies.

Another thing... the particular fangirls who are as insane as we are talking about here tend to view gay men as sex objects who exist for no other reason than to fulfill their "real life yaoi/slash" fantasies instead of actual human beings with feelings and thoughts, so a gay man telling them off isn't likely to be taken seriously by them.

[kittynboi]

I've seen those sorts on the internet. I've never met them in real life, though. I suppose I should be glad for that.

I know some of them view gay men as nothing but sex objects. Back when I was way more in to manga and yaoi and stuff, it was easier for me to handle this incongruity, because the rabid yaoi fangirls weren't as common then, not the type described here anyway.

I've heard of the ones who hate lesbians, and even a few who outright hate gay men and dislike real life homosexuality.

[old hat]

Now if an ero/yuri fanboy behaved this way, we would hear no end to this.

He would probably be arrested since hitting someone with a paddle is battery at least. Depending on the jurisdiction, the charges could get a lot more serious than that. He would probably be ejected at the very least and threatened with arrest if he returned.

[magicalgirlj]

I am starting to find yaoi fangirls annoying, but I am freinds with some.

[fujyoshi]

I am starting to find yaoi fangirls annoying, but I am freinds with some.

/heh you find your friends annoying.

[Argent-Ookami]

Well, welcome to the world of stereotyping I guess. :( It is sad that many people take it all way too seriously. But I guess I can't talk since I like both Yuri AND Yaoi... If people weren't so against homosexuality (and/or more accepting) there would likely be more in your everyday anime and manga... and less "annoying fangirl/boying".
Still, I believe in the "If you don't like it, don't read/look at it." approach... that's the trouble though, isn't it? The troublesome fangirls/boys really do try and spread it around. I find the best way to deal with it is accept the fact they like something you don't and realise that you probably like something they don't, even if you don't act the same about it.

[Shaka Beach]

I dont really like Yaoi, but fangirls can get annoying. Especially the naruxsasu ones.

[Argent-Ookami]

Who have probably been kicked into hyperdrive by the rumor (unless it's been actually confirmed) that Kishimoto said they were going to end up together...

[fujyoshi]

well I consider myself pretty modest when it comes to that kinda thing. As surprising as that is and me being the frikking fujyoshi for crying outloud I'm actually modest mostly because my family would probably disown me if they knew I pheeled to gay anime -_=

edits they'd disown me even more if I said how much it turned me on and threw in the happy music on the side -_=

[Shakuras]

Well, welcome to the world of stereotyping I guess. :( It is sad that many people take it all way too seriously. But I guess I can't talk since I like both Yuri AND Yaoi... If people weren't so against homosexuality (and/or more accepting) there would likely be more in your everyday anime and manga... and less "annoying fangirl/boying".
Still, I believe in the "If you don't like it, don't read/look at it." approach... that's the trouble though, isn't it? The troublesome fangirls/boys really do try and spread it around. I find the best way to deal with it is accept the fact they like something you don't and realise that you probably like something they don't, even if you don't act the same about it.

Did you even bother to READ the posts in the last few pages or even from the beginning?
This isn't about liking or not liking yaoi. Try again.

[Nakey]

He would probably be arrested since hitting someone with a paddle is battery at least. Depending on the jurisdiction, the charges could get a lot more serious than that. He would probably be ejected at the very least and threatened with arrest if he returned.

from memory, one convention in the US has banned those Yaoi paddles.

I'm pretty sure My local convention (www.manifest.org.au) will be having them cloakroomed as there's a huge chance it voilates Victoria Police's Dangerous Weapons policy....

EDIT: Checked with Cosplay Co-ordinator/Yaoi Panel Presenter. Yep, Yaoi paddles are cloakroomed (http://forums.manifest.org.au/index.php?showtopic=4418&st=80#). that beign said, i'm sure cloakroom can allow their release for the yaoi panel...

Actually.. i hope not.. i'm in that panel.. as a "subject"... >__>;

[Mosinmatt]

Those Yaoi paddles are dangerous =P They aren't even paddles, they are all out boat oars. Spanking paddles are more square, and to be used in one hand, usually with some holes in it.
The "hate' that yaoi fangirls get is from the stereotypical way they act. It isnt even gender based. If a hentai fanboy acts outlandish, people are annoyed by that too. Look at the "narutards", same thing there.
Bottom line is, sharing your obsession with porn tends not to go over too well with other people.

[ShanceChance]

Hatred of the fangirls has nothing to do with liking vs. not liking yaoi/BL/slash. There are people in yaoi/slash/BL fandom who also can't stand the particular fangirls we're talking about. It has to do with the fact that these particular fangirls are rude, as dumb as bricks, obnoxious, hypocritical, delusional, and/or insane. To kind of repeat what someone else said, loudly letting everyone and their mom know about what you masturbate to is not something that most people appreciate.

[fujyoshi]

To kind of repeat what someone else said, loudly letting everyone and their mom know about what you masturbate to is not something that most people appreciate.

man you gotta be crazy to let your mom know what series you pheel yourself to o_o Then again not everyone's mom is like mine but still thats a little out there and I'm REALLY honest when it comes to those things too.

[Dr. Ezra]

I like it when people have a good sense of humor about Yaoi. This person: http://go-devil-dante.deviantart.com/ has made me laugh for years with their humerous slash art. I guess I just don't like it when people take Yaoi too seriously. Some girls get so freaky and emotional about it. Just enjoy it and have fun! That's what it's for, right?

[fujyoshi]

yaoi pretty much exists mostly in my fantasies.....



















._. because I'd get into alot 'a trouble if I had tangible forms of it

[Mosinmatt]

I just remembered how old this is. Wow...
Took us this long to determine that it comes from general stereotyping, that happens in all of the anime areas?

[Shakuras]

Hatred of the fangirls has nothing to do with liking vs. not liking yaoi/BL/slash. There are people in yaoi/slash/BL fandom who also can't stand the particular fangirls we're talking about. It has to do with the fact that these particular fangirls are rude, as dumb as bricks, obnoxious, hypocritical, delusional, and/or insane. To kind of repeat what someone else said, loudly letting everyone and their mom know about what you masturbate to is not something that most people appreciate.

I love how yaoi fan*****es are IGNORING this. I say we should just form a lynch mob/posse, get some metallic bats and go to town. These fan*****es are CLEARLY not getting the message any other way. No one else seems to be doing anything about this epidemic. So just take matters into our own hands..

[Bookworm51485]

Personally, I think it's like fanfiction. People latch on to the negative and use that to make a generalization about the whole. Unfortunately the negative seems to be either what they encounter first, encounter most often, or what makes the strongest impression.

It does annoy me a bit. I like yaoi, but I'm not an idiot.

[fujyoshi]

man I'm probably the only person on here that out loudly says what I pheel to although I'm thinking I'm on the mellow side still when it comes to fangirling /heh

[SuperSailorMoon]

"BISHIIIIIEESSSS!!!11!!"
Your right a lot of the are just squeal like you said.I have know problem with the squealing. I have know problem with non canon , canon ect. I am 25 yr old woman. Likes slash, BL, yaoi. I just don't like the fan brats that make... the non fan brats look bad. And make people hate us. And other stuff maybe too. I don't know to. But other then that... I have know problem. Because where just doing stuff that guys to. So I think something needs, to be done about the fan brats.

[Wolfgang]

I used to know girls like this. They'd bring in FAKE, vol. 7 or Gravitation to the classroom and giggle loudly about it through class. It always made me really uncomfortable: I'm a girl and I love yaoi, but I wouldn't ever, ever, EVER broadcast that sort of thing. It would be the equivalent of a guy running around, announcing to the world what porn he watches.

[Shakuras]

So I think something needs to be done about the fan brats.

What have I been saying for the past few pages? Jeez. Was I talking to myself?

[SuperSailorMoon]

I used to know girls like this. They'd bring in FAKE, vol. 7 or Gravitation to the classroom and giggle loudly about it through class. It always made me really uncomfortable: I'm a girl and I love yaoi, but I wouldn't ever, ever, EVER broadcast that sort of thing. It would be the equivalent of a guy running around, announcing to the world what porn he watches.

Yes I agger. I don't go broadcasting to the whole world that I like Bl/yaoi. I too would feel uncomfortable too. And in some cases it would be like me screening I love porn. I love porn. I think not something I want to do.

[SuperSailorMoon]

What have I been saying for the past few pages? Jeez. Was I talking to myself?

Yes I think that you are right. I think that we need to beet a little shame into... the fan brats. That you like BL, and or yaoi Bl/Yaoi ect. And that does not mean that you need to, should spreed your pride... and tell the whole world. Because one day the word may ask what are you reading... And what will you tell the world? And what will that world think of you? And will you like it, and or what will you do? I mean you can read Bl/yaoi out in the real world... As long you do it in a way as, the real world does not find out... About you any your stuff. Because the real world finds out will be sorry. And it may be to late to have... The shame beaten in to you. If it had not been, or need more of it after the happening.

There is a show that is called the Secret Lives of woman. I don't remember what channel it runs on. I have seen it. I like it. Because it talks about woman's Secret lives.And it puts the seal of approve on the fact... That no matter what type of female you are... Some things need to and should... Be keep a Secret. And if you want to know about... some of the lives watch this show, and other like it. That tell about woman and what they do. I think that we can get along better if fangirls made bl/yaoi more of there Secret lives... Like I think hentai fans do.

There may be other things yaoi fans brats do. But I think that this is a big one. Also they need to stop making ever one in to them. Not every one is them or will be them. If it was the world would be a very boring place.

[fujyoshi]

Most are like "BISHIIIIIEESSSS!!!11!!"

its probably not really surprising but thats how I used ta be before I got into yaoi /heh I even made up a word from "bishi" and then bishierestliciousness was born. I haven't uttered that term in ages and I made it up at 16.

[Annabel Lee]

Hmm, yaoi fangirls...

They take non-yaoi characters and place them in yaoi situtations. And, usually, it's the completely incompatible characters that they seem to mix...Changing two straight (or one straight) heterosexual guy(s) into this yaoi entity will require the talents of a superb writer. Not even an average or good writer could really pull-it-off. And, imo, I just haven't seen a yaoi fangirl/boy on that level.

Maybe, I'm a little too crticial of those persons that enjoy bad storytelling and softcore gay porn.

I enjoy yaoi, but I agree that it's not at all easy to 'force' a straight character into being gay while still keeping them in character. I have found very few writers that are able to do this. I also don't understand why people insist on pairing two (sometimes three) completely incompatible characters with each other. Things usually turn out better when there are strong hints that something could happen between characters in the anime/manga, provided the writer is competent.

As for the second bit, to each his own. Some people are just looking for smut. I don't mind sex as long as it's well-written & applies to the plot. I hate it when two characters go from wanting to kill each other to shagging in two seconds.

[fujyoshi]

actually I don't read fanfics or write them I just keep it all in my fantasies /heh My fantasies are so dangerous that putting them on paper would cause a nuclear meltdown :'D

[ShanceChance]

I enjoy yaoi, but I agree that it's not at all easy to 'force' a straight character into being gay while still keeping them in character. I have found very few writers that are able to do this. I also don't understand why people insist on pairing two (sometimes three) completely incompatible characters with each other. Things usually turn out better when there are strong hints that something could happen between characters in the anime/manga, provided the writer is competent.

As for the second bit, to each his own. Some people are just looking for smut. I don't mind sex as long as it's well-written & applies to the plot. I hate it when two characters go from wanting to kill each other to shagging in two seconds.

Fanfiction is not "yaoi". Fanfiction is "slash". "Yaoi" is the name of a specific Japanese genre with specific requirements.

[Suiko Eiji]

"Yaoi" is the name of a specific Japanese genre with specific requirements.

... that isn't used anymore.

Fanfiction is not "yaoi". Fanfiction is "slash".

If it involves man-trains and pains in the anus*, then the terms are synonymous and interchangeable. Just as the term yaoi has been supplanted with BL, the content is still the same, ranging from simple romance between men to the more intimate sharing of feelings. "slash" fiction is much the same - it's another term used to express the couplings of men that you would find on the Internet or in the ladies' doujinshi sections of places like Toranoana. Then again, maybe I'm just picking nits.

*going off the oh-so-hilarious acronym of yamete oshiri ga ittai, or "stop it, my *** hurts".

[Khyron]

As for 'fangirls', to me, they're utterly obsessive to the point where they'd TyP3 LiEk ThIz!!!!!!11! when they lay eyes on two hot males. As long as the story is non-existent or crude, it doesn't matter if the two males r Hawt togetha. If there are females apparently in the way of hot boy sex, they'll curse and *****slap her till kingdom comes. It doesn't matter if it's not her fault their man likes her, it's still her fault because she exists. Such is the case of Kairi of Kingdom Hearts and Sakura of Naruto. If fangirls ship boy love in shounen series, they'd scream through hell and back that it's "canon", even when they're repeatedly slapped with contradictory facts. If there're two of them together, you can bet posts would go something like "Omg He's Sooo Hawt!!1" "Liek, really!? I no3, I wAnt hiz BAB1es" "No, Me" "M3" "STFU AND HANDS OFF" There's nothing new about fangirlspeak, really. :\ And they seem to be fourteen. Not that you're dumb when you're fourteen, but they sure represent themselves well.

In short, yes, I was amused with the yaoi fangirls; they're unlike my pet hamster who's whiny and *****y too, but it's getting old. So yes, I do dislike the yaoi fangirls now. And what does this do to the topic? Nothing, so carry on...

Reminds me of the fangirls into the anime style Teen Titans cartoon: some of them love to pair up people like Robin & Raven together, despite the fact that Raven is actually hot for Beast Boy. One of them even bit my head off for saying that Raven only loves Beast Boy and not Robin (a comment I made about a picture on Deviant Art.) My head was eaten off by this fangirl who drew a Robin/Raven picture when I told her that Robin loves Starfire instead. I backed off and apologized to her rather than correct her about that fact further. :rolleyes:

[fujyoshi]

*going off the oh-so-hilarious acronym of yamete oshiri ga ittai, or "stop it, my *** hurts".

I just pictured that phrase coming out 'a the mouth of an uke and it turned me on o_o

[Bay_chan]

hey, Im a yuri fangirl and i pair up girls from animes whenever I want. My friend is a yaoi fangirl, a little more than I am a yuri fangirl. She's a bit of an air head but she isn't too bad. She just likes yaoi and expresses it.

[fujyoshi]

well actually I'm like that too in a way, I slash from any series that has more then 1 or 2 hawt anime guys in it. Which explains most 'a the titles I watch (: its how I get down XD

[Chopper]

I would say not all Yaoi fangirls are like that but a large majority are.
I have seen it at conventions, on forums, on youtube etc, and there are just so many of them so of course you're gonna get those idiots who shove it in your face 24/7, and there are large amounts who do it. However i do know a few Yaoi fangirls who are no way near as crazy as the average Yaoi fangirl and are achually really lovely people who i call friends. One of my good friends is a Yaoi fangirl and she doesn't like Yuri, she doesn't hate it and is she's not homophobic but she just can't get round to reading or watching a Yuri, even though i have got her to read a couple of Yuri Manga's and she said she'd read a Yuri Manga which was originally a Yaoi Mangaka, so i'm getting there with the converting :) She doesn't mind me loving Yuri either and knows i love it for the right reason. ^^
But yeah, even though there are so many rabid Yaoi fangirls out there, there is also a great deal of those lovely fangirls if you look hard enough.
When i went to Ayacon, there was a Yaoi Panel and Yuri panel running (not at the same time), but i think the Yaoi panel only got 50 people who turned up while the Yuri panel had 150 people who turned up. But with those 50 people, there were at least half of them squeeling over the Yaoi but there were still some people who were trying to watch the panel but found it hard to do it.
The Yuri Panel (first one in 4 years) = A success.
The Yaoi Panel (Happens every year) = A failure.
There were even some Yaoi fangirls who came to the Yuri panel after they went to the Yaoi panel (the Yuri panel was on the day after the Yaoi panel) and said they liked the Yuri panel alot better as it was alot more well organised and everyone had fun.
So yeah there are some Yaoi fangirls who you don't wanna go near but some can be awesome.

[DazzleKitty]

The post above reminds me of a peeve of mind that is actually newfound. I used to be one of those annoying yaoi fangirls that liked to convert people into their liking. On the net, I've met quite a few yaoi AND yuri fans who do this. I think this is a problem that many anime fans outside the yaoi/yuri community have with us. I used to just try to get everyone I knew into it (and not just with yaoi/yuri, but with anime in general). If a person isn't interested, they just aren't. Pushing and pushing your interests on them will only make them detest your fandom and make you seem like an immature twit.

[Chopper]

The post above reminds me of a peeve of mind that is actually newfound. I used to be one of those annoying yaoi fangirls that liked to convert people into their liking. On the net, I've met quite a few yaoi AND yuri fans who do this. I think this is a problem that many anime fans outside the yaoi/yuri community have with us. I used to just try to get everyone I knew into it (and not just with yaoi/yuri, but with anime in general). If a person isn't interested, they just aren't. Pushing and pushing your interests on them will only make them detest your fandom and make you seem like an immature twit.
I do admit that there are alot of idiots in every fanbase and not just the Yaoi fanbase, in Yuri we are well known for Yuri fanboys who perve over the fanservice 24/7 and you also get some people who will not stop with the converting people who are not interested in Yuri and i admit i have been known to do it a couple of times, but then again i've achually succeeded most of the time so i always think there is a chance, and plus my converting is not like 'in your face' converting, it's more like 'just watch a couple of Yuri's i like and if you don't like it after you watched all of it, then i'll stop' lol
So yeah, it's not just the Yaoi fanbase and they are just stereotyped because so many of them do it.

[Suiko Eiji]

The post above reminds me of a peeve of mind that is actually newfound. I used to be one of those annoying yaoi fangirls that liked to convert people into their liking. On the net, I've met quite a few yaoi AND yuri fans who do this. I think this is a problem that many anime fans outside the yaoi/yuri community have with us. I used to just try to get everyone I knew into it (and not just with yaoi/yuri, but with anime in general). If a person isn't interested, they just aren't. Pushing and pushing your interests on them will only make them detest your fandom and make you seem like an immature twit.

As you hinted at, this is actually something that has kind of been a problem within the anime fan community for nearly as long as there has been an anime fandom - evangelism. At first, with the hobby being as small as it was, I suppose it was almost a necessary evil spawned from a need to rationalize why one would watch cartoons in a language that you couldn't understand. You were on the cutting edge and anyone who didn't understand your hobby or fandom were merely philistines. But, if you got the word out and got other people into fandom, then you wouldn't be alone, etc. etc.

As anime fandom grew, this sort of evangelism expanded from Japanese animation entirely to different subcultures within the general fandom, only because it is ust how things were done. As anime has grown closer to the mainstream, I think this sort of evangelism is less and less necessary.

Also - not to incite that anime evangelism indicates horrible people - I think a lot of people who've been in the fandom for a long time have gone through it at some time or another. I went through it mostly in high school when I was running an anime club and planned the programming schedule. While trying to include anime of all types, it distinctly came down to what I (or my other officers) thought was good. A lot of times it worked, but not every time. Sure, some anime evangelists are horrible dicks but probably not solely because they're anime evangelists.

[mewmew88]

I myself have noticed the attack on Yaoi fangirls and have infact been told I'm a freak by supposedly "normal" members of groups when I've said I happen to like it.

[Spoonsnuggle]

I always thought that girls who like yaoi were normal. I'm a guy, and I don't like yaoi but I don't mind shounen-ai, but I've always thought that yaoi was mostly made for the gays and girls.

[fujyoshi]

I always thought that girls who like yaoi were normal. I'm a guy, and I don't like yaoi but I don't mind shounen-ai, but I've always thought that yaoi was mostly made for the gays and girls.

well I think nowadays alot 'a girls like either yaoi or some kinda shounen ai if they're into anime. Maybe not when they start out but it'll happen eventually. I didn't think it'd happen to me and look at me now /heh but hey thats netiher here nor there. ANYWAY like I said alot 'a girls nowadays do like that kinda stuff but only a handfull I'd assume out 'a the level headed people are actually the equivalent of what you guys refer to as fantwits /heh

[Neato]

Yaoi is made for girls, not gays. The characters are heteronormative, with the uke simply acting as a stand in for a woman so that girls can read erotica/porn without associating themselves with sex. This of course springs from the sexual repression of women, causing them to feel the need to distance themselves from sex.

The uke rarely engages in sex and the roles never change, which is inane.

It makes sex look like the most painful thing in the world for bottoms, and makes tops look like rapists in how they continue to thrust through repeated "stops".

SOME yaoi is made for men, and it is great, albeit rare.

[Aviatorlisa]

Yaoi is made for girls, not gays. The characters are heteronormative, with the uke simply acting as a stand in for a woman so that girls can read erotica/porn without associating themselves with sex. This of course springs from the sexual repression of women, causing them to feel the need to distance themselves from sex.

The uke rarely engages in sex and the roles never change, which is inane.

It makes sex look like the most painful thing in the world for bottoms, and makes tops look like rapists in how they continue to thrust through repeated "stops".

SOME yaoi is made for men, and it is great, albeit rare.

Well most of it's right, but I can't really say if I agree on the rape-esque characteristics being for that description. The rape fetish is very prevalent in hentai,yaoi and bara (gay manga) . The BL-ish stuff usually does rape for dramatic effect, but in most cases the female mangaka are doing it exactly for the same reason's male mangaka do it. I've never truly seen rape perceived as a negative value (or not exploited) in yaoi, hentai or bara.
Which is why some Western fans are taken aback by how it seems to be meaningless that the main character was brutally raped. I couldn't think of your description being the same reason for so much rape in hentai.

In yaoi it's almost like a standard to get raped but I don't feel it's a reflection of female sexual repression rather females are merely using the same hypersexual outlets as males. Which westerners might not understand. Bara can be just as bad or even more extreme than yaoi, you don't really feel sympathy for the characters because they're all usually grown, buff men so much of the violence is increased!

[fujyoshi]

/heh so basicly in a nutshell girls get just as hot as guys do when it comes to that kinda thing. If not I'm an example of which then noone will be.

[Aviatorlisa]

/heh so basicly in a nutshell girls get just as hot as guys do when it comes to that kinda thing. If not I'm an example of which then noone will be.

I second that notion. I hate it when there needs to be a formulated explanation for female's perverted side. Maybe she's just perverted!

[fujyoshi]

I second that notion. I hate it when there needs to be a formulated explanation for female's perverted side. Maybe she's just perverted!

well when you think about it in some ways girls and guys aren't that different. Sure theres major differences that tip off for some stuff but meh. Anyway if a girl(like me) gets hot alot that shouldn't be looked at as unusual like if a guy were to get hot to something or whatever.

[Aviatorlisa]

Yeah, it seems like in western culture, although we're relatively open about sexuality, they assume that women have a certain way like, romance and stuff. And that guys don't even think of things like romance or stuff like that. We have a tendency to stereotype a lot.

[Arnold]

It makes sense to me that girls like yaoi. I mean, I like lesbians, so what's good for the goose and all...

[Sora N]

/heh so basicly in a nutshell girls get just as hot as guys do when it comes to that kinda thing. If not I'm an example of which then noone will be.

Of course women get just as sexually aroused as men! (In history and even in some countries of today made/make women suppress their sexual desires/sexual pleasures...) As a female and a feminist, I think that all women should read and educated themselves better.

[fujyoshi]

Of course women get just as sexually aroused as men! (In history and even in some countries of today made/make women suppress their sexual desires/sexual pleasures...) As a female and a feminist, I think that all women should read and educated themselves better.

my point exactly, and to actually think I've been told that I'm like a guy in that sense.

[Aviatorlisa]

my point exactly, and to actually think I've been told that I'm like a guy in that sense.

Yeah! People say that to me too. Although it's mostly other girls. FOR SHAME. But then again guys are looked down upon for being lovey-dovey too. Some how it makes them female...:rolleyes:

[fujyoshi]

Yeah! People say that to me too. Although it's mostly other girls. FOR SHAME. But then again guys are looked down upon for being lovey-dovey too. Some how it makes them female...:rolleyes:

so are whiny and clingy guys /heh

[Aviatorlisa]

Poor guys. ^_^

[Suiko Eiji]

Yaoi is made for girls, not gays. The characters are heteronormative, with the uke simply acting as a stand in for a woman so that girls can read erotica/porn without associating themselves with sex. This of course springs from the sexual repression of women, causing them to feel the need to distance themselves from sex.

Uh, I'm not sure you quite understand the seme/uke pitcher/catcher dynamic as it's presented in these sorts of comics. While there is repression involved, it's not of a purely sexual nature but as a general critique on society as a whole. By having two men, they are somehow equal, even though there is a designate "woman" of the couple.

I also don't see yaoi as some sort of expression which permits women from escaping a need to "distance themselves from sex" because there is plenty of sexualized discussion and depictions of sex in a lot of jousei manga. Arguably, any sort of social commentary you might be able to pull out of yaoi/BL/jousei doujinshi/ladycomi or whatever the term for the next five minutes is, may all be a wash due to another cultural implication that in order to "make it" or make a profit, since other people are selling it, we have to sell it, too which seems prevalent in East Asian cultures.

[Neato]

Uh, I'm not sure you quite understand the seme/uke pitcher/catcher dynamic as it's presented in these sorts of comics. While there is repression involved, it's not of a purely sexual nature but as a general critique on society as a whole. By having two men, they are somehow equal, even though there is a designate "woman" of the couple.

I also don't see yaoi as some sort of expression which permits women from escaping a need to "distance themselves from sex" because there is plenty of sexualized discussion and depictions of sex in a lot of jousei manga. Arguably, any sort of social commentary you might be able to pull out of yaoi/BL/jousei doujinshi/ladycomi or whatever the term for the next five minutes is, may all be a wash due to another cultural implication that in order to "make it" or make a profit, since other people are selling it, we have to sell it, too which seems prevalent in East Asian cultures.

The thing about distancing themselves from sex always seemed obvious to me. The uke is a stand in for a woman. Maybe I'm reading into it too much, this could just come from a general ignorance that you see in almost all anime/manga that deals with homosexuality.

Also: Women generally get less aroused from gay sex as men do from lesbian, there is no biological imperative for a woman to have sex with multiple men, they can only be impregnated once every 9 months barring miscarriage, whereas men can impregnate as many women as they can get their dick into.

Also: The whole, I dont like guys except for this one thing is played out and offensive. Mens sexuality is not as fluid as womens, we don't start or stop being gay/straight/whatever.

[Aviatorlisa]

The thing about distancing themselves from sex always seemed obvious to me. The uke is a stand in for a woman. Maybe I'm reading into it too much, this could just come from a general ignorance that you see in almost all anime/manga that deals with homosexuality.

Also: Women generally get less aroused from gay sex as men do from lesbian, there is no biological imperative for a woman to have sex with multiple men, they can only be impregnated once every 9 months barring miscarriage, whereas men can impregnate as many women as they can get their dick into.

Also: The whole, I dont like guys except for this one thing is played out and offensive. Mens sexuality is not as fluid as womens, we don't start or stop being gay/straight/whatever.


They way you talk about females, makes me assume you are male. The relationships are made from a females' perspective of what they would find arousing in male/male relationship. Not so much female/male, although it has the same qualities as hetero relations. A lot of times the uke is the focus and may not be as sexually prepared or eager as the seme. But it is not so much how they would like their own personal relationships in het situation to be. For me I actually see myself more as the seme than the uke. For some reason, and usually this is from a man's definition of what yaoi is, the uke is the female's position. But for me, the seme has always been, and even in some yaoi I read, I don't relate to any of the characters, I just like the sex. Like bara, I usually don't see myself as either characters but I thoroughly enjoy looking at it sometimes. I don't disagree that many of the yaoi characters are mushy like in shoujo romances, but there's more to yaoi then the generic BL manga.

Also: Women generally get less aroused from gay sex as men do from lesbian, there is no biological imperative for a woman to have sex with multiple men, they can only be impregnated once every 9 months barring miscarriage, whereas men can impregnate as many women as they can get their dick into.

This has been a debate for a long time as to whether women are more or less aroused then men. Men have more testosterone than women but that only urges them to be more sexual but the arousal is entirely the same. I don't know how many times I've had to hear sex therapists have to tell people that there is no evidence that either one has a better arousal than the other. The only thing different is the areas of the body where the body will react to them. Pregnancy doesn't even have anything to do with the measure of arousal!!

[fujyoshi]

This has been a debate for a long time as to whether women are more or less aroused then men. Men have more testosterone than women but that only urges them to be more sexual but the arousal is entirely the same. I don't know how many times I've had to hear sex therapists have to tell people that there is no evidence that either one has a better arousal than the other. The only thing different is the areas of the body where the body will react to them. Pregnancy doesn't even have anything to do with the measure of arousal!!

when you find out the answer tell me because I've had people tell me that the way I am aroused is like a guy -_=

[Aviatorlisa]

when you find out the answer tell me because I've had people tell me that the way I am aroused is like a guy -_=

That is the answer there is absolutely no evidence that either sexes gets more aroused then the other because the reactions are on different parts of the body. The measure of intensity is the same. The only thing that can pleasure the human body more is chocolate. LOL!

[fujyoshi]

That is the answer there is absolutely no evidence that either sexes gets more aroused then the other because the reactions are on different parts of the body. The measure of intensity is the same. The only thing that can pleasure the human body more is chocolate. LOL!

uea? what if you don't eat sweets o_O

[Aviatorlisa]

Lol no ^^

I'm just saying the only thing more intense than human arousal is the sensation of eating chocolate. Surprisingly.

[Neato]

That is the answer there is absolutely no evidence that either sexes gets more aroused then the other because the reactions are on different parts of the body. The measure of intensity is the same. The only thing that can pleasure the human body more is chocolate. LOL!

I never said that. I said men are more aroused by two women than than a woman is by two men. What we find attractive are all biological imperitives that have to do with success of impregnation or pregnancy. Men can impregnate multiple women at once, while women can only be impregnated once every 9 months. Its all about pregnancy. I said nothing about arousal in general.

[TalaRain]

I never said that. I said men are more aroused by two women than than a woman is by two men. What we find attractive are all biological imperitives that have to do with success of impregnation or pregnancy. Men can impregnate multiple women at once, while women can only be impregnated once every 9 months. Its all about pregnancy. I said nothing about arousal in general.

So what you are saying, essentially is that the only reason a man gets aroused is because he feels the biological need to impregnate a woman he is having sex with, and that the woman’s reaction to him is because she feels the need to be impregnated by him. Right?

So what exactly do you consider Lesbians?? What about Gay male couples?? Hmm?!?

I am a lesbian and very attracted to my Female partner. She certainly cannot get me pregnant. So how dose your theory of ‘biological imperatives’ work in this kind of relationship??

And what dose this all have to do about Yaoi Fan Girls anyway?

[Aviatorlisa]

I never said that. I said men are more aroused by two women than than a woman is by two men. What we find attractive are all biological imperitives that have to do with success of impregnation or pregnancy. Men can impregnate multiple women at once, while women can only be impregnated once every 9 months. Its all about pregnancy. I said nothing about arousal in general.

Wow that definition is even worse then the one I assumed! If men are more aroused by two women together, then women are towards two men. Why have women created yaoi? Yaoi is not some deep investigation for women to find themselves and their hatred of sex. Women like sex just as much as men, but men think logically about the situation, it's a primitive survival method the male wants to make sure a majority of females will carry his offspring so that his genetics will live on, whereas females don't have to worry about it. Thus the purpose of testosterone it's the drive but not the level of arousal. Also there is this tribe on television I saw where the female lives in one house and she had several husbands, and many children by all of them and they all lived together! So it's not impossible.

It just seems ridiculous for you to say that women don't find it as arousing two men together as men find two women. They did not create BL out of a form of revolt against men's liking of women or somehow to combat sex at all. They were founding their sexual independence, back in the 1950's, which I myself didn't even know it started that early, women began making depictions of male characters in homoerotic relations. There would be no reason other then sexual satisfaction for these women to make manga because it was a secret circulation for quite sometime. It was never meant to promote repressing sexual desires, they were trying to do the complete opposite and express these feelings that men had always been making in media openly.

[old hat]

It's unsubstantiated speculation and

nothing whatsoever

[Aviatorlisa]

yeah I know that's why i'm wondering why he would say something like that.

[old hat]

It seemed superficially plausible and looking at the actual evidence and evaluating it before making definite statements is sooooooo tedious

[Aviatorlisa]

I'm not hating on him though, I think he just misunderstands a little. I'm sure he means so harm.

[old hat]

I just think he's far too sure of himself with far too little cause. It's pretty common. I fall into that trap myself sometimes.

[Neato]

Seeing people misrepresent my statements is annoying.

What we find attractive isn't programmed in us (beyond gender or whatever), we get a lot of it through socialization. Much of what society tells us is attractive comes from basic biological imperatives. I'm gay, I understand that what we want to **** isn't purely from wanting to have children.

Also: About the distancing from sex thing, I didn't mean it was a means of repression, I said that it was a result of oppression. Again, probably reading too much into it, but it just seems that the ukes in yaoi become a substitute for a woman, rather than an actual man.

I'll fish through my bookmarks and try to find the study I read this in.

[Aviatorlisa]

Seeing people misrepresent my statements is annoying.

What we find attractive isn't programmed in us (beyond gender or whatever), we get a lot of it through socialization. Much of what society tells us is attractive comes from basic biological imperatives. I'm gay, I understand that what we want to **** isn't purely from wanting to have children.

Also: About the distancing from sex thing, I didn't mean it was a means of repression, I said that it was a result of oppression. Again, probably reading too much into it, but it just seems that the ukes in yaoi become a substitute for a woman, rather than an actual man.

I'll fish through my bookmarks and try to find the study I read this in.


Society tells us what is attractive only to a certain degree and you always have the choice to take it or leave. Many women look at me funny because I perfer effeminate straight men, but that's not all women because there are some who like the same as I. Many men portrayed in films and television are not the men I'm attracted to but society states that's what I like, but that isn't the case my attraction to a person is not deterred by what society wants from me. And since you're gay I thought you might know better. So basically you're saying you're attracted to men because society tells you?

Also you specifically said REPRESSION, meaning that it is a feeling within themselves something they're trying to get rid of or hide, not society. So it's not so much we read it wrong, you wrote it wrong. But that definitely doesn't abolish all the other things you said which were thoroughly incorrect about the purpose of yaoi or the reasoning behind it.

I think you mean well! ^_^ why don't you actually talk to a female mangaka who has made yaoi. Or even just a fan. I think you're really trying to make yaoi into a very political or social response, it has it's movement-type qualities but do not forget that women can have sexually pleasing media without having the means for sexual revolution. We like SMUT too

[TalaRain]

Very well put Aviatorlisa!!

[Aviatorlisa]

Thanks TalaRain!

[DazzleKitty]

Seeing people misrepresent my statements is annoying.

What we find attractive isn't programmed in us (beyond gender or whatever), we get a lot of it through socialization. Much of what society tells us is attractive comes from basic biological imperatives. I'm gay, I understand that what we want to **** isn't purely from wanting to have children.


Now hopefully I'm not misinterpreting you, but....

I disagree that what we find attractive is mainly gathered throught socialization. If that were the case, I'd have a lot more in common with other straight girls in terms of preference of men. I tend to like guys whom others don't find outstandingly attractive. I also tend to like some effiminate men and I like longer hair on my men. I don't find a lot of females here that like that. I believe that ultimately, it's your own choice. Your preference isn't gathered from socialization, IMO, but just from seeing and exploring.

Also, since you're gay, I think this rather contradicts the statement. Unless you've been hanging out with other homosexuals all your life I guess I can see where you came up with that statement. However, most people don't exactly attempt to influence others to be gay. So really, I can't believe socialization has done that to you.

This is just my opinion and sorry if I mistunderstood you.

[Neato]

Society tells us what is attractive only to a certain degree and you always have the choice to take it or leave. Many women look at me funny because I perfer effeminate straight men, but that's not all women because there are some who like the same as I. Many men portrayed in films and television are not the men I'm attracted to but society states that's what I like, but that isn't the case my attraction to a person is not deterred by what society wants from me. And since you're gay I thought you might know better. So basically you're saying you're attracted to men because society tells you?

Also you specifically said REPRESSION, meaning that it is a feeling within themselves something they're trying to get rid of or hide, not society. So it's not so much we read it wrong, you wrote it wrong. But that definitely doesn't abolish all the other things you said which were thoroughly incorrect about the purpose of yaoi or the reasoning behind it.

I think you mean well! ^_^ why don't you actually talk to a female mangaka who has made yaoi. Or even just a fan. I think you're really trying to make yaoi into a very political or social response, it has it's movement-type qualities but do not forget that women can have sexually pleasing media without having the means for sexual revolution. We like SMUT too


What we find attractive (as I said, BEYOND GENDER) is affected by what we are exposed to. This is not a choice, it happens around age three or so. Its why people are into the fetishes they're into. Its an association thing, we begin to associate things with sexuality (subconsciously). I don't mean to say that society totally chooses it, simply that it does affect it. Otherwise so many men wouldn't be into big tits.

@Dazzle seeing and exploring is part of socialization, isn't it? I may be misusing the term, but I think that theres just a miscommunication.

and the repression/opression thing, I misspoke

[Aviatorlisa]

What we find attractive (as I said, BEYOND GENDER) is affected by what we are exposed to. This is not a choice, it happens around age three or so. Its why people are into the fetishes they're into. Its an association thing, we begin to associate things with sexuality (subconsciously). I don't mean to say that society totally chooses it, simply that it does affect it. Otherwise so many men wouldn't be into big tits.


If you say it's what we're exposed to fetish-wise, then it's not society at all. I constantly saw men on television who were manly, and supposed to be romantic and adore their women undyingly in a cheesy way, even when I was a child, and I cannot possibly see myself with men like that or even fantasize about something like it. Fetishes are called fetishes for a reason. Because society does not openly accept these inclinations. I know that this is a weird example but take GURO for instance (the liking of violence and grotesque images, in most cases for sexual gratification) a majority of people would be disgusted by this fetish and would not be able to understand how people could get off on it. Fetish is a really bad example because it's an obsessive liking of something society wouldn't necessarily consider normal, or natural to obsess over. Even big breasts can be, there is a natural reason for it yes, but the fetish can take it to unnatural means, like in Eiken:P lol.

I think I'm beginning to see what your trying to get at, but the way you explain it makes it seem as though women do not enjoy yaoi, as though it serves a purpose greater then pleasure, as if females could not possibly enjoy sexual media the way men do. But it isn't that society so much discourages it, its that a lot of women in the western world don't really know about it, it's something relatively new! In Japan it's been going on since the '50s as public media, also in Korea and other parts of Asia celebrates the male/male innuendos.

I think you're being insightful, and I don't find what you say to be ignorant or offensive at all. I just feel your taking yaoi and it's purpose for females into a view that it wasn't entirely meant to go. ^_^

[Neato]

I think I'm beginning to see what your trying to get at, but the way you explain it makes it seem as though women do not enjoy yaoi, as though it serves a purpose greater then pleasure, as if females could not possibly enjoy sexual media the way men do. But it isn't that society so much discourages it, its that a lot of women in the western world don't really know about it, it's something relatively new! In Japan it's been going on since the '50s as public media, also in Korea and other parts of Asia celebrates the male/male innuendos.

I think you're being insightful, and I don't find what you say to be ignorant or offensive at all. I just feel your taking yaoi and it's purpose for females into a view that it wasn't entirely meant to go. ^_^

I don't see how you're inferring that. I'm saying that women have a different biological response to seeing two men than men do to seeing two women (not to say that women aren't aroused by two men ****ing). And the whole man replacing a women thing is just a a byproduct of that, or even something that it propagated unwittingly. I don't mean to imply that its intentional, just that it does seem to product that effect.

[Aviatorlisa]

I don't see how you're inferring that. I'm saying that women have a different biological response to seeing two men than men do to seeing two women (not to say that women aren't aroused by two men ****ing). And the whole man replacing a women thing is just a a byproduct of that, or even something that it propagated unwittingly. I don't mean to imply that its intentional, just that it does seem to product that effect.

Exactly, and I'm telling you that it would have to be wrong. Because you said that women are not as aroused seeing two men together as men are when it comes to seeing two women together. But that's the point of yaoi. It disproves that notion. Lesbianism, in the western culture as fantasy for men, is more popular because they've always been relatively open about liking it. Women in the western world, lean more toward it's about me and the man. Rather then the aspect of seeing two men. I don't want to say its a self-centered view but a majority of times girls in this culture prefer for men to adore them. But I know that a lot of girls are like me, and really don't feel a man should have to pamper her, or that girls should be the main focus in a relationship. Slash supposedly has been in America since the late 70's, I really don't know anything about slash, but this is what I heard from a person who was into slash. Anne Rice has also had male/male relations in her works. And since I was young I've liked male/male relations and this was before I got into yaoi, which is also why I got into yaoi.

In the natural world this can also be disproved. Males have sex with multiple females to ensure their genetics live on, yes. However there are animals, such as the cat for example, the female will have sex with as many partners as she can which is why male cats have small spikes on their (male parts) because that is the only way they can ensure their genetics will live on.
Please take into account that not all men like yuri, or types of lesbianism for that reason. Some are very into femdom or things and find powerful women to be sexually appealing, and like yaoi as you say can be a reflection of how they would want a woman to treat them as well.

[Neato]

Exactly, and I'm telling you that it would have to be wrong. Because you said that women are not as aroused seeing two men together as men are when it comes to seeing two women together. But that's the point of yaoi. It disproves that notion. Lesbianism, in the western culture as fantasy for men, is more popular because they've always been relatively open about liking it. Women in the western world, lean more toward it's about me and the man. Rather then the aspect of seeing two men. I don't want to say its a self-centered view but a majority of times girls in this culture prefer for men to adore them. But I know that a lot of girls are like me, and really don't feel a man should have to pamper her, or that girls should be the main focus in a relationship. Slash supposedly has been in America since the late 70's, I really don't know anything about slash, but this is what I heard from a person who was into slash. Anne Rice has also had male/male relations in her works. And since I was young I've liked male/male relations and this was before I got into yaoi, which is also why I got into yaoi.

In the natural world this can also be disproved. Males have sex with multiple females to ensure their genetics live on, yes. However there are animals, such as the cat for example, the female will have sex with as many partners as she can which is why male cats have small spikes on their (male parts) because that is the only way they can ensure their genetics will live on.
Please take into account that not all men like yuri, or types of lesbianism for that reason. Some are very into femdom or things and find powerful women to be sexually appealing, and like yaoi as you say can be a reflection of how they would want a woman to treat them as well.

I'm speaking in relative terms. You're misconstruing them as definite.

Also: Fair point about the cats, I think chimps do it too. Its so that none of her mates know who the father is, so none of them kill it because it could be theirs. Its like firing squads, no one knows who shot the killing bullet so everyone assumes it wasn't them, alleviating any guilt that might weigh on them.

[Aviatorlisa]

I'm speaking in relative terms. You're misconstruing them as definite.

Also: Fair point about the cats, I think chimps do it too. Its so that none of her mates know who the father is, so none of them kill it because it could be theirs. Its like firing squads, no one knows who shot the killing bullet so everyone assumes it wasn't them, alleviating any guilt that might weigh on them.


If you're speaking in relative terms, then you've misconstrued yourself. If you say men are more aroused by lesbianism because of their natural urge, then you've termed it as definite because that is not the only reason why men are attracted to the qualities of lesbianism. And you've stated the reason for multiple mates very wrong, due to the fact that the one who shares the genetics of the offspring and knows would still kill the child. Most males, if the animals are not monogamous (they remain partners), will kill the child even though they knew it was their's.

[mad.cat.ears]

I think that taking straight characters and using them for yaoi fanfiction is only natural thing for a yaoi fan to do.
I mean, as a yaoi fangirl, you notice the guys in the anime and you develop a favourite pairing. Its like with straight pairings. So if its okay to like the straight pairing why isnt it okay to like the yaoi pairing .___.

[fujyoshi]

I think that taking straight characters and using them for yaoi fanfiction is only natural thing for a yaoi fan to do.
I mean, as a yaoi fangirl, you notice the guys in the anime and you develop a favourite pairing. Its like with straight pairings. So if its okay to like the straight pairing why isnt it okay to like the yaoi pairing .___.

yea thats pretty natural. I mean look at me most 'a what I watch contains atleast one or more hawt men in it ;p Even if theres only 2 thats still good pheeling for me ;'D

[Sweet Dee]

For me, I won't pair any character with another just because they're 'hot'. I might have imagined what it would be like, but I'm sure that's the same with straight dudes or anyone who is more keen on women/lesbians. Who hasn't? When I write or read fan fiction/doujinshi/manga, it has to make sense to me. There has to be some sort of reasoning behind why said characters could make sense together otherwise it just doesn't work; whether that be a love/hate, love/love, hate/hate relationship.

[fujyoshi]

and I guess thats why we have a bad name because of people like me I guess -_- but like I said I may come off obnoxious on here but at home wit my family I can't get down like that. Then if I'm going out I really don't get a ton of alone time so yea /heh

[DazzleKitty]

There has to be some sort of reasoning behind why said characters could make sense together otherwise it just doesn't work; whether that be a love/hate, love/love, hate/hate relationship.

I agree on you with this. Throwing two characters together simply out of hotness doesn't work with me. There some fanfics I have read where the parings made no sense at all and the story didn't even make it creative. It's a cheap way to throw two characters together that make no sense at all.

[fujyoshi]

I agree on you with this. Throwing two characters together simply out of hotness doesn't work with me. There some fanfics I have read where the parings made no sense at all and the story didn't even make it creative. It's a cheap way to throw two characters together that make no sense at all.

thats what I do minus the fanfics /heh I'm a bad writer D: but hey good ol eye candy never hurt anyone.

[lilredphoenix]

This was a lively discussion I need to jump in on.

I like yaoi even though I don't own much of it in the way of mangas and have a handful of animes I watch yaoi for entertainment and its fun to look at the hot beshonen boys/men but that's it. Key work here is *fun*.

I have read thru what most of the posters have said and the general concensus I am seeing as I have seen in other forum topics here is that you are going to always have 2 sides of the same coin. We all love anime, mangas, games, dramas, music, J-pop culture, etc. There are always going to be people defending what they believe and others who will prosecute them for what they post but thats why debates can be interesting,informational education, controversial, fun and entertaining. It brings like minded people who enjoy anime seeing both sides of an issue.

I agree with some of the posters mentioning the overly excessive behavior of fans I think we can all use this as the standard paradox for any anime series where the fans misbehave in such a way that it is shameful. We are seeing younger and younger anime fans who have not developed yet that level of maturity to handle themselves in a respectful manner and some of you mentioned you attended conventions in your area which this behavior was clearly being shown, brings home the point.

It is valid to say that this extreme fangirl/boy behavior is what sterotypically gets remembered and not the good fans out there who can control their human base needs.

Not all fan girls act this way I sure don't go around pushing my interests on anyone if you like it good if you don't I won't think less of you if you didn't.:P

[DazzleKitty]

I have noticed with many anime forums that are active, it seems like most members have a stigma against yaoi fans.

For instance, there were a couple of threads on Anime News Network lately that have completely bashed yaoi fans.

I WILL happily admit some of the fans are crazy. Mainly the younger crowd. I will say that some of the teenage gals into this are especially too immature and vocal about it. Some of the ones I have met at a convention years ago kinda made me embarrassed to even be a fan.

Some have even said that most yaoi fans are either immature fangirls or women who are social crippled and don't leave the house.

I find it a bit disheartening how these younger fans have caused the good fans to be lumped into a very negative pidgeonhole.

Most yaoi fans have left this forum because of trolls (you two KNOW who you are). It seems many of them have just stuck to yaoi-specific forums to discuss their interests. And I have seen far more trolls in these yaoi specific forums than I have seen at other places. It seems it's usually yuri fans trying to prove their fandom is superior. I do NOT mean to insult yuri cans since I myself really love yuri anime.

My point is that I find it annoying and sad how the decent yaoi fans have to be afraid to bring it up at forums without a dispute happening.

[Shakuras]

When yaoi fan*****es begin to address the issues brought up by myself, ShanceChance and others, I'm sure hate for your fandom will evaporate. The longer you cling to this notion that you're hated because you like yaoi, then hate for your fandom will continue.
DO SOMETHING ABOUT SAID FAN*****ES instead of dragging this out.

And by the way, the yaoi fan***** fanbase left because like most of the female gender, you choose to run and hide when confronted your flaw or anything you don't want to deal with. But you'll have to one way or another whether you like it or not.

[Sora N]

Neither one (yuri or yaoi) is better. It’s just down to personal preference on which one you like. Yes, there are some bat**** crazy fans on both sides; however, that does not mean that everyone in the fandom is like them. I’m a fan of both yuri and yaoi (my preference is of course yuri :naughty: ) however, I got into yaoi long before there was any yuri over here is the US. As far as the fans goes just flipping ignore the bat**** crazy ones and go on with your life. Just enjoy reading/watching yaoi/yuri and forget about them. That’s what I do.

[earsofdoom]

When yaoi fan*****es begin to address the issues brought up by myself, ShanceChance and others, I'm sure hate for your fandom will evaporate. The longer you cling to this notion that you're hated because you like yaoi, then hate for your fandom will continue.
DO SOMETHING ABOUT SAID FAN*****ES instead of dragging this out.

And by the way, the yaoi fan***** fanbase left because like most of the female gender, you choose to run and hide when confronted your flaw or anything you don't want to deal with. But you'll have to one way or another whether you like it or not.

THIS, most of those fan's were rabid beyond belief and would go foaming at the mouth across the other boards. (Both typhonblue, Ariel, and thelostyears and her sock puppet had multiple bans and infraction's for good reason, not the least of which was hating on woman and ironically lesbians.) I assume they are still posting on some other forum that is less moderated somewhere about how woman suck and how every other fandom is way worse.

As far as the fans goes just flipping ignore the bat**** crazy ones and go on with your life. Just enjoy reading/watching yaoi/yuri and forget about them. That’s what I do.

Thats the old "elephant in the room" method, if someone's being a hypocrite and acting like a smug basket case then you expose them pure and simple, letting this kinda behaviour continue is the very reason for the wrath your fandom has summoned.

[Shakuras]

Neither one (yuri or yaoi) is better. It’s just down to personal preference on which one you like. Yes, there are some bat**** crazy fans on both sides; however, that does not mean that everyone in the fandom is like them. I’m a fan of both yuri and yaoi (my preference is of course yuri :naughty: ) however, I got into yaoi long before there was any yuri over here is the US. As far as the fans goes just flipping ignore the bat**** crazy ones and go on with your life. Just enjoy reading/watching yaoi/yuri and forget about them. That’s what I do.

What are you doing about said fans? When you allow idiots in your fandom to run amok, doing whatever they please, it reflects poorly on ALL of you.

Anyway, I'm sure I'm wasting my time. You yaoi fan*****es are nothing but vermin that needs to be exterminated. You clearly have no intention(though this has ALWAYS been clear) of doing anything about this, but jump on anyone who critizes your fandom. I'm sure you all will just drag this out 'till JUDGMENT DAY.

[DazzleKitty]

What are you doing about said fans? When you allow idiots in your fandom to run amok, doing whatever they please, it reflects poorly on ALL of you.

Anyway, I'm sure I'm wasting my time. You yaoi fan*****es are nothing but vermin that needs to be exterminated. You clearly have no intention(though this has ALWAYS been clear) of doing anything about this, but jump on anyone who critizes your fandom. I'm sure you all will just drag this out 'till JUDGMENT DAY.

Umm....what are we supposed to do? Take a gun and kill 'em all? Hunt them down with a tranquilizer gun? Poison their food? Sew their mouths shut? Sterilize them? Circumcise them? Saw their heads off? Feed them to my hamster collection? Let my dog poop on them? Pour boulders on their house? Feed their guts to a mouse?
Give them a nasty talking today?
Show them a good flay?
Hit them with my heavy coffee mugs?
Or slap them with my nonexistant jugs?
Or throw them in room with horny thugs?
Make them eat my brother's bitter cherry pie?
Or give them a nasty bruised black eye?
Hit them with my blunt garden hoe?
Or fry them up 'til they blow?
Suffocate them with a baseball mit?
Or shove their face where I sh*t?
Give the a painful bikini wax?
Or let them sniff my daddy's smelly sacs?
Pour them down the drain like juice?
Or hang them with a noosy noose?
Slap them till they cry?
Or shake my head with a sigh?

TELL me! What shall we do?

[Sora N]

^:lol: I am so glad you are back Dazzle! You can always make me laugh! :lol:

Oh and Shakuras I'm not a yaoi fan*****, I'm a yuri fan***** thankyousoverymuch! :P (Like I said my preference is yuri for obvious reasons. :naughty: )

[old hat]

I didn't see a single person that was particularly recognizable as a yaoi fangirl at Fanimecon. I didn't see a single person shoving yaoi in other people's faces. I didn't see any paddles. I didn't see any of this. There were something like 30,000 people there on Saturday. Where were these in your face yaoi fangirls? They were conspiciously absent.

[YuriFanboy]

I have to say that was really funny :lol:

[DazzleKitty]

Thanks guys. I had much fun composing it. Maybe I should take up writing. I'll write a really steamy yaoi for Shakuras, since I know he would enjoy it so much.

[Sora N]

Thanks guys. I had much fun composing it. Maybe I should take up writing. I'll write a really steamy yaoi for Shakuras, since I know he would enjoy it so much.

Do it! DO IT! I bet he will love it! :naughty: !

[goddessofanime]

What are you doing about said fans? When you allow idiots in your fandom to run amok, doing whatever they please, it reflects poorly on ALL of you.

Anyway, I'm sure I'm wasting my time. You yaoi fan*****es are nothing but vermin that needs to be exterminated. You clearly have no intention(though this has ALWAYS been clear) of doing anything about this, but jump on anyone who critizes your fandom. I'm sure you all will just drag this out 'till JUDGMENT DAY.

Ignorant much?

[Leader Desslock]

When you allow idiots in your fandom to run amok, doing whatever they please, it reflects poorly on ALL of you.
Why do you think I speak as the Voice Of Reason on an anime board at all?

By the way, I don't care about yaoi/yuri. I'm simply talking about anime fans in general. The tiny minority of complete idiots makes me ashamed to associate with the fandom entire.

I don't see you doing much to curb the ridiculous excesses of the anime fanbase as a group, so I wonder why you're so obsessed with the tiny fraction of it that goes nuts over yaoi/yuri?

The day I see you speaking as a Global Voice Of Anime Fanbase Reason is the day I believe your position will have some credibility. Until then, your rant strikes me as biased subforum hate. And as easily dismissed, I might add. :naughty:

Anyway, I'm sure I'm wasting my time.
As long as you continue to rant about "you yaoi fan*****es" without also ranting about "you Evangelion apologists", "you sick lolicon ********", "you sub purists" and all the other distressing parts of the anime fanbase, then yes, you are wasting your time and ours. Thanks.