More "you never see this stuff just once" [Archive]

Reichu

April 10th, 2006, 08:04 AM

Yeah, they come up fine now. ;)

Heh heh heh. I noticed the "Rei with splitting headache" thing a while back. "Ooo! More prognostication!"

And... curse you, Scott, why must you create this thread now?!? I've got a laundry list of items to post about a mile long and I won't be able to start until, like, tonight! Oh well... I guess I'll just recycle the stuff from that "Are you pondering...?" (http://animenation.net/forums/showthread.php?t=188072&page=2) thread.

The Mock Umbilical Cord:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/Reichu/Shitochi/23_C082.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/Reichu/Rei/m26_C090_a.jpg

Reichu

April 10th, 2006, 08:05 AM

"The Splitting of the Breast":

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/Reichu/Rei/24_C229_a.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/Reichu/Rei/24_C229_b.jpg

&

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/Reichu/Rei/m26_C010_a.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/Reichu/Rei/m26_C010_d.jpg

Reichu

April 10th, 2006, 08:09 AM

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-24/24_C015_npc_mid.jpg

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-24/24_C019_mid.jpg

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-m25/m25_C161_fuku.jpg

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-m25/m25_C161_med.jpg

---

And just some others that I posted recently: Maya-Misato (http://animenation.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5621369#post5621369), Misato/Kaworu-Shinji (http://animenation.net/forums/showpost.php?p=5598667&postcount=2), Kaworu-Shinji/Kyoko-Asuka (http://animenation.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5598670#post5598670), and Kaji/Kaworu (http://animenation.net/forums/showpost.php?p=5601228&postcount=33).

You can tell that Shin-seiki addicted me to this, right?

But, uh, sorry. :P Please proceed, sempai!

:waits to see what Dr. Scott is gonna post next http://www.evacommentary.org/forums/images/smiles/harpy_tongue.gif:

LuigiHann

April 10th, 2006, 08:22 AM

"The Splitting of the Breast":
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/Reichu/Rei/m26_C010_a.jpg

Ehem.
Does it still count when it's the other one (http://img2.imagepile.net/images/44720134.jpg)? -_-;

Reichu

April 10th, 2006, 08:25 AM

Ehem.
Does it still count when it's the other one (http://img2.imagepile.net/images/44720134.jpg)? -_-;

That's more "The Fondling of the Breast", isn't it? ;) Son and Father -- they make sure that neither is left untouched!

Another one of those "things you never see just once", like I needed to tell anyone that. :P

Seele08

April 10th, 2006, 08:25 AM

THis thread is a sign that you've seen Eva too many times.

Shin-seiki

April 10th, 2006, 08:27 AM

:waits to see what Dr. Scott is gonna post next:
Oh, just some obvious stuff:

http://homepage.mac.com/csf2860/Sites/Head-arm/014.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/csf2860/Sites/Head-arm/015.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/csf2860/Sites/Head-arm/012a.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/csf2860/Sites/Head-arm/016.jpg

Shin-seiki

April 10th, 2006, 08:29 AM

And these..
(damn image posting limits...) <_<
http://homepage.mac.com/csf2860/Sites/Head-arm/013.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/csf2860/Sites/Head-arm/017.jpg

LuigiHann

April 10th, 2006, 08:32 AM

"Once upon a time, I was falling in love, now I'm only falling apart..."

the-manics-MSP

April 11th, 2006, 09:53 AM

totally unrelated but I remember reading somewhere about how lilith was placed on a cross to remove her from the 'wheel of life'. i have no idea what that means or the source but it may interest some people here to persue it...

Kokuei

April 11th, 2006, 07:47 PM

THis thread is a sign that you've seen Eva too many times.

hey! you can never see eva too many times! its just that freakin awesome! just watch and watch and watch and don't stop. EoE forevar! XD

you can never see eva too many times

Reichu

April 12th, 2006, 12:23 AM

This wasn't what I was planning on posting first, but I was taking screenies from #22, something leaped out at me, and I felt like making some gratuitous animated GIFs. :P

The Agony:

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-22/22_C182B_anim.gif

The Agony & The Ecstacy:

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-23/23_C116_anim.gif

The Ecstacy:

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-m26/m26_C167_anim_1.gif

Magami No ER

April 12th, 2006, 09:24 AM

Neat. :P
I should rewatch and see what I may find....most likely nothing unfortunatly. =/

Reichu

April 12th, 2006, 12:34 PM

Man! Every time I go to get screen caps that aren't on the HD already, this happens to me!

A little more of the "just consciously registered" stuff:

"FOR THE LOVE OF LILITH! MY HEAD!!"

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-05/05_C034_bc_mid.jpg

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-22/22_C178B_b_mid.jpg

Reichu

April 12th, 2006, 12:45 PM

Ravaging of Mind and Body

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-22/22_C178B_anim_squeeze.gif

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-m25/m25_C555_b_mid.jpg (http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-m25/m25_C555_col-disc.jpg)

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-m25/m25_C555_fg_mid.jpg

(Just two frames where you can actually see Kyoko-sama fairly clearly. Don't feel like doing an impractically HY00J animated GIF or whatever right now, but she's leaning back and flailing her arms -- or it looks like it, anyway -- throughout.)

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-22/22_C180B_anim_wobble.gif

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-m25/m25_C560_anim_wobble.gif

***

I'd already figured that what's happening when Arael bids EVA-02 & Asuka warm welcomes was setting the stage, in many ways, for episode #25' -- but, even so, the visual parallelism connecting Kyoko's respective Ravagings struck me as being sort of creepy.

stolenji

April 12th, 2006, 04:49 PM

Those pics make my heart break for Kyoko&Asuka :crybaby:

Z Metalla

April 12th, 2006, 06:07 PM

Is it so very very wrong for me to love that last gif? *liplick*

And, damn, there's a lot of reused/recombobulated shots in Eva. Though I know that already. :P

The Opinionator

April 12th, 2006, 06:49 PM

Well...just how many different ways do you expect an Eva to freak out when it's being seriously messed up? There are only so many ways to writhe, after all.

LuigiHann

April 12th, 2006, 07:52 PM

Yeah, some of these connections are a lot vaguer than some of the previous ones. Still, it is interesting that the Evas react to mental pain the same ways they react to physical pain.

Reichu

April 12th, 2006, 08:04 PM

I should rewatch and see what I may find....most likely nothing unfortunatly. =/

There are TONS of recurrences -- visual and otherwise -- in there, many of which I've never seen mentioned in discussions. Somehow or another, I just keep on finding more... (My brain just does it automatically.) No shortage of material to be noticed and "officially recognized" by the geek community, at any rate.

Is it so very very wrong for me to love that last gif? *liplick*

Sweet Akira-san in the Antarctic Dead Sea -- why? http://www.evacommentary.org/forums/images/smiles/scared.gif

And, damn, there's a lot of reused/recombobulated shots in Eva.

Yeah, but it's done in a really cool way! :D (Aside from gratuitous cheapskate recycling.) Makes the show a lot of fun, IMO, and it's rewarding when one finds new link-ups.

Well...just how many different ways do you expect an Eva to freak out when it's being seriously messed up? There are only so many ways to writhe, after all.

The situational/visual parallelism seems pretty blatant to me.

Yeah, some of these connections are a lot vaguer than some of the previous ones.

How are they vague?

Still, it is interesting that the Evas react to mental pain the same ways they react to physical pain.

I'm not quite sure what that's supposed to mean.

LuigiHann

April 12th, 2006, 08:39 PM

How are they vague?

I just meant that they're "vaguely similar," especially when contrasted with some of the extremely pronounced parallelism used from time to time in Eva.

I'm not quite sure what that's supposed to mean.
I was just commenting on the fact that the pictures you posted, one situation is Asuka/Kyoko's mind being violated, and the other is their body being eaten, and she reacts similarly in both situations. This is interesting, because it draws a connection between physical pain and mental anguish, yes?

Reichu

April 12th, 2006, 08:59 PM

I just meant that they're "vaguely similar," especially when contrasted with some of the extremely pronounced parallelism used from time to time in Eva.

Eh, I think it's just a bit subtler... One thing to keep in mind is that visual recurrence is just part of the picture -- situational recurrence and thematic repetition, etc., should also be kept in mind. So even though I've been suggesting connections by juxtaposing various screenshots and animated GIFs, they aren't meant to be considered in some kind of vacuum apart from the full context.

I was just commenting on the fact that the pictures you posted, one situation is Asuka/Kyoko's mind being violated, and the other is their body being eaten,

Their body? </picky>

and she reacts similarly in both situations. This is interesting, because it draws a connection between physical pain and mental anguish, yes?

I'm not sure how many of the visual similarities in #25' I would describe as her actually reacting to the pain, in the way that she is in #22. (But the arm-flailing during the Ravaging looks like her doing, even though she's not supposed to be powered at that time.)

But on a related note to the idea you brought up: Episode #22 establishes the extent of the psychic connection existing between Eva and pilot: Much like physical pain, the Eva's psychic pain is passed along via feedback.

EDIT: Oh dear, those last two paragraphs are rather poorly articulated... I'm tired, forgive me.

Z Metalla

April 13th, 2006, 07:35 AM

Sweet Akira-san in the Antarctic Dead Sea -- why? http://www.evacommentary.org/forums/images/smiles/scared.gif

Because I love Eva when it gets brutal and/or psychological. http://home.graffiti.net/zmsimages:graffiti.net/vilegrin.gif

It's fascinating, the brutaility Evas wreak on their own will, really. Which is really funny, considering I'm not that brutal of a guy, otherwise. If I saw real-life brutality like that, I'd get squeeeamish.

Yeah, but it's done in a really cool way! :D (Aside from gratuitous cheapskate recycling.) Makes the show a lot of fun, IMO, and it's rewarding when one finds new link-ups.

Quite so. ^_^ And I'm willing to bet there's more out there that are waiting to be uncovered. XD

Shin-seiki

April 13th, 2006, 07:39 AM

I've done thes before, but I figure they belong in this thread:
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4548/0015rj.jpg http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8344/0040ck.jpg

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/6374/0029mm.jpg http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3294/0051qp.jpg

Shin-seiki

April 13th, 2006, 07:39 AM

And...
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2680/0037qh.jpg http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/6370/0067dg.jpg

Ark

April 13th, 2006, 08:33 AM

Reichu

April 13th, 2006, 10:13 AM

You missed out the monkey toy's guts exploding. You've mentioned it before in this context I think.

I can only post so many things at once. :P "Toy/doll" motif is for another day. (But here's some monkey guts (http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-m25/m25_C326d_anim.gif) if you want them now.)

And now, for one of my old favorites: Raggedy Handy.

Katsuragi-hakase in #12:

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-12/12_C007_c_mid.jpg

Kyoko-sama in #25':

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-m25/m25_C568_f_mid.jpg

More compliments in action: lefty, palm-side; righty, knuckle-side. Both hands mutilated, both staggering shakily from one side of the screen to the other, reaching for something.

Although it's impractical for me to replicate the shakiness (adds a lot of extra frames = bigger file size), here are the GIFs:

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-12/12_C007_anim_small.gif (http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-12/12_C007_anim.gif)

(Click for the full-sizer, ~700K.)

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-m25/m25_C568_anim_crop.gif

(Cropping the sides off cut the size down by, like, half. If you want the full thing, let me know.)

An interesting detail to note is that Kyoko clutches her hand, as if around some imaginary object.

They seem to be establishing a rather intimate thematic connection between these two parents, moments before their respective deaths...

(BTW: Shin-seiki, you do realize that my current fling with animated GIFs is mostly your fault? ;) "Using animated GIFs in, like, regular posts? Instead of plain screenshots? Hey... now there's an idea...")

Seele08

April 13th, 2006, 10:34 AM

hehe NGE's has some rather amusing hand shots....

Reichu

April 15th, 2006, 08:23 AM

Boy, I woulda thought that the stuff here would inspire more comments than it's gotten. Huh.

A bit of pedantic fun -- or is that Pointless Religious Symbolism? I forget what the exact relationship between the two is sometimes -- I don't recall ever seeing publicly noted.

Kaji-kun buys it in #21...

C-275
http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-21/21_C275_npc_comp_mid.jpg
(^ Gonna do more work on that before I release the full-sized one. Damn fan blades.)

C-277
http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-21/21_C277_npc_e_mid.jpg

"You're, like, late, and stuff."

>BANG< (Or >SLAP<, if you're watching DEATH.)

In the first cut (275), note how the grate of the fan forms a cross behind him. Hard to make out in a still image; watch the scene again if you don't believe me. :wink:

We get another cross in 277 (276 = missing number) behind his head. I'll gratuitously throw in the Collector's Disc version, just because it's so pretty.

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-21/21_C277_col-disc_mid.jpg (http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-21/21_C277_col-disc.jpg)

This detail isn't there in the OA version, BTW:

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-21/21_C277_oa_d_mid.jpg

(Another bit of trivia: This, and many other OA versions of various cuts, are not in Renewal. E.g., in the Renewal version of OA #21, they use the NPC versions of C-275 and 277.)

(CONTINUING...)

Reichu

April 15th, 2006, 08:25 AM

And, as we know, Kaji is shot down by some random grunt. But, as Shin-seiki rather interestingly forwarded here (http://animenation.net/forums/showpost.php?p=5660808&postcount=41), Kaji's otherwise somewhat inexplicable line ("Yo~. You're late, aren't you?") seems to carry the connotations: "You can kill me, but it won't do you any good. I have a really hawt and kick-a$$ girlfriend who knows ever-y-thing. So you'll have to kill her, too!" Well, more or less. ;)

Alright. So, fast forward a bit to #25'. "Katsuragi" is attempting to put what Kaji-kun's given her to good use, by passing it onto Shinji (however briefly and cryptically), and trying to get him to EVA-01 before Seele does. Too bad the kid's not in much of a psychological state to appreciate her efforts.

And then...

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-m25/m25_C600_tile2.jpg

zOMG! She's heading for the Cross!!! Well, at least, another cross that just so happens to be formed by the local architecture when the time comes...

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-m25/m25_C603_c_mid.jpg

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-m25/m25_C604_b_mid.jpg

...for her to get shot...

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-m25/m25_C606_a_mid.jpg

...by some random grunts.

Magami No ER

April 15th, 2006, 08:50 AM

(Another bit of trivia: This, and many other OA versions of various cuts, are not in Renewal. E.g., in the Renewal version of OA #21, they use the NPC versions of C-275 and 277.)

What others?(you needn't do screenshots).
I don't have the last two Platinum discs, and won't for a long while.

LuigiHann

April 15th, 2006, 10:27 AM

Hmm, anybody else we know get killed in front of a big cross? :P

zuggy

April 15th, 2006, 10:49 AM

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-m25/m25_C568_anim_crop.gif

Sidenote: I remember EVA-00 doing this in the DC (episode 23) as well (when she totally splodes).

Seele08

April 15th, 2006, 10:49 AM

ZOMG Sachiel exploded in a cross-shaped explosion!!!!1111 and oh yeah Lilith...but that wasn't very important.... :P

Reichu

April 15th, 2006, 05:54 PM

What others?(you needn't do screenshots).

Well, posting screenshots would be potentially cooler than describing each one, but... yeah, okay. You told me not to, so I won't. ;) Let's see... :looks through her archives:

Episode #21

C-034: Yui closeup ("That is, if I find the right person...")
C-258: Command Tower, Pan-Up (before outline of Naoko's body)
C-263: Kaji standing in doorway (silhouetted)
C-264A: Kaji undoing Fuyutsuki's restraints
C-267: Misato in isolation ward (lights come on and she sits up)
C-269: Misato looks at the intelligence agent questioningly
C-271: Misato stands up and puts her gun into her jacket
C-275: Kaji standing in front of the giant fan
C-277: "Yo~. You're late, aren't you?"

Episode #22

C-001B: Asuka at Kyoko's funeral, looking rather sullied
C-005A: Asuka scowling at Kyoko through the glass
C-006: Asuka from the side, looking slightly sullen
C-276: Arael becomes a mere speck of light above Earth
C-282: The Spear moving into lunar space

Probably others, but I haven't screencapped #22 to death the same way I have #21. ;)

Renewal #23 reverse-engineers the NPC in a couple of places (WHY DID YOU DESTROY THE REIQUARIUM? WHY?!?). Off-hand, I can't recall anything that falls under the "NPC shots in OA version" phenomenon in #23 and #24, though.

I don't have the last two Platinum discs, and won't for a long while.

Why's that?

Hmm, anybody else we know get killed in front of a big cross? :P

Is there?

Sidenote: I remember EVA-00 doing this in the DC (episode 23) as well (when she totally splodes).

Yeah, that's the other link-up. (Both of Shogouki's comrades reaching up into a mysterious bright light before they die.) This game is fun, isn't it? :D

Surprised no one wants to take a gander at the Akira-Kyoko connection, though. You peeps are no fun!

ZOMG Sachiel exploded in a cross-shaped explosion!!!!1111

That doesn't really have anything to do with Kaji and Misato, though...

and oh yeah Lilith...but that wasn't very important.... :P

What about Lilith?

LuigiHann

April 16th, 2006, 12:31 AM

Is there?
I was thinking of Kaworu. He's right in front of Lilith when Shinji grabs him, and although most of that set of shots focuses on Kaworu in front of Lilith's Mask, Lilith is of course on a giant cross.

edit:
Surprised no one wants to take a gander at the Akira-Kyoko connection, though. You peeps are no fun!
In the shot you posted of Dr. Katsuragi, he was in the process of saving his daughter's life. Perhaps Kyoko was trying to do the same?

Reichu

April 16th, 2006, 08:24 AM

I was thinking of Kaworu. He's right in front of Lilith when Shinji grabs him, and although most of that set of shots focuses on Kaworu in front of Lilith's Mask, Lilith is of course on a giant cross.

Hey, you're right... Those sneaky bastards! That's another one for the KKKK! :D

In the shot you posted of Dr. Katsuragi, he was in the process of saving his daughter's life. Perhaps Kyoko was trying to do the same?

Yes, I think so. ("You must live!") Well, that's part of it. Here's what I think is going on...

What do we KNOW these two parents have in common? They were scientists who worked for "the Organization". Each had a single child who was neglected as a result of overdedication to vis work. (Among other things.) Both Asuka and Misato tell themselves that they hate said parent -- but we know that Asuka greatly desired Kyoko's love regardless, and Misato was torn apart between love and hatred of Akira*.

What happens in the end? Kyoko dies in an attempt to protect Asuka and let her child live -- struggling against a body that has been all but destroyed, in defiance of the assailants who mock her from afar before dealing the coup de grace. She fails. OTOH, Akira satisfies his own goal, but it's still the same basic thing. He sacrifices himself to protect Misato (I imagine he served as a human shield at some point) and struggles against death -- courtesy of a mutilated body -- so that he can deliver Misato to safety (or the best possible chance for it), after which he expires immediately. (The timing is no accident, I imagine...)

* I really wish that Anno bastard had provided, like, a given name for the guy. "Dr. Katsuragi" takes way too much effort to type again and again. :P

LuigiHann

April 16th, 2006, 08:57 AM

We could always shorten it to "Dr. Katz" :P

Reichu

April 16th, 2006, 09:30 AM

We could always shorten it to "Dr. Katz" :P

Oh sweet Yui-sama, the irony would be too much for my fragile little heart to bear! No... I will simply need to continue committing my sin, and justify it by providing the "Mass Production Model Evangelion" vs. "harpy" correlate.

But that would provide incredible parody potential... (Misato and Daddy would be even better than Shinji and Gendo.)

Seele08

April 16th, 2006, 09:57 AM

Sachiel: Someone set us up the N2 mine.
Samshel: We get signal.
ADAM: Main Screen turn on.
Dr. Katz: How are you gentleman? All your white moon are belong to us!
ADAM: What you say?
Dr.Katz: You have no chance make your time. HAHAHA
ADAM: Take off every AT Field, you know what you doing. For Great Justice!

MonkeyBoy0314

April 16th, 2006, 10:08 AM

And...
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2680/0037qh.jpg http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/6370/0067dg.jpg
:lol: This further proves my theory that Anno was a rocker

http://www.geocities.com/kaidousspritelibrary/gnr.bmp
GNR LIVES!! :cool:

zuggy

April 16th, 2006, 10:49 AM

Wait a goddamn minute…

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3294/0051qp.jpg

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/6370/0067dg.jpg

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/6374/0029mm.jpg

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2680/0037qh.jpg

That guy in the classroom is a fusion of both of them!

Quantum Magic?

Shin-seiki

April 16th, 2006, 10:56 AM

Wait a goddamn minute…

That guy in the classroom is a fusion of both of them!

Quantum Magic?Depends... What color are his eyes?

Seele08

April 16th, 2006, 10:56 AM

He is....the Hygoba!

Shin-seiki

April 16th, 2006, 11:02 AM

He is....the Hygoba!Needs more vowels:
Hyugaoba

LuigiHann

April 16th, 2006, 02:10 PM

(self-quote from another thread)

When Arael tries to communicate with Asuka, its intentions may have been benign but Asuka reacts as if being raped.
When Armisael tries to communicate with Rei, its intentions may have been benign but Rei reacts as if being raped.
The next angel is Tabris, who tries to communicate with Shinji.
Discuss.

Vaikyuko

April 16th, 2006, 02:23 PM

Haha. That actually made me laugh. A cookie for you, sir - tis not easy to make someone emotion-dead like me laugh. ^_^

No opinion, I'm afraid. Jolly Roger of a topic, though - keep on posting, people.

Reichu

April 16th, 2006, 07:40 PM

When Arael tries to communicate with Asuka, its intentions may have been benign but Asuka reacts as if being raped.
When Armisael tries to communicate with Rei, its intentions may have been benign but Rei reacts as if being raped.

...Rei does? She seems to more react with a confused discomfort -- the biofusion is at once pleasurable and painful. After the sniper rifle is ineffective, she's simply paralyzed to do anything. When Armisael opens the gates of communication, Rei certainly doesn't treat her like some kind of rapist; Armi is, instead, "the person we call an Angel".

When Armisael begins to invade Rei's mind in this "inner universe" -- represented by an "reenactment" of the physical invasion -- Rei simply stands (er, floats, I suppose) there calmly. Armi floods Rei with the pain in her heart, and Rei simply elaborates upon what it is, as if explaining something to a child (which it technically sorta is).

All things considered, Rei's reaction is lightyears away from Asuka's...

The next angel is Tabris, who tries to communicate with Shinji.
Discuss.

Tabris is a different sort of case... Shinji actually had his "Close Encounter" with an Apostle back in #16, even though Leliel never seemed to speak to him directly, as Arael and Armisael do with Asuka and Rei...

I actually have a number of thoughts beyond this, but things got wildly out of hand -_-;, so that'll be quits for tonight.

LuigiHann

April 16th, 2006, 08:36 PM

Reichu

April 16th, 2006, 09:39 PM

I was oversimplifying it to make them sound more similar. In Rei's case, I wasn't talking about the internal discussion she has with the angels, just the physical reaction she has. I'm not saying it was <i>actually</i> any kind of rape, quite the opposite actually. But the imagery was sexual, even though what was happening was something else entirely.

Oh, I totally agree. The imagery, and, heh, the physical reaction.

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-23/23_C116_anim.gif

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-23/23_C117_comp_mid.jpg (http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-23/23_C117_comp.jpg)

Then you throw in weird stuff like the "umbilical cord", the Apostles being birthed (well, almost) out of EVA-00's back (where you've got, like, a hole that a long, phallic object goes into), and Armisael being absorbed into the "womb" of Zero's core to produce a grotesque "mock-pregnancy". And there's the whole "sex"/"hearts as one" motif -- Armisael goes after Sho (and maybe not just to "link up" Shinji), and then we get the "arched back" thing there, too. Man, what a perverted show. :snicker:

The scene (non-Inner Universe) with Armisael serves to prognosticate the Tree of Life sequence in EoE in many ways... But that deserves extra-special handling.

Similarly, in Asuka's case, what's happening there isn't actually sexual at all (the angel doesn't come remotely close to even touching her) but the idea of rape is introduced anyway, giving a sexual connotation to a completely nonsexual encounter.

Some of Kyoko's posturing is sort of ...questionable. :P

And then Tabris/Kaworu shows up, shares emotions with Shinji, confuses Shinji, and most likely makes Shinji think uncomfortable sexual thoughts, even though nothing truly sexual happens.

I do agree on the "sexual confusion" part, surprisingly enough. (Fully compatible with my "Mother Figure" thesis, too! Think about Shinji when he first meets Kaworu's counterpart. ;) )

The only reason I'm making the connection with Kaworu (rather than with Leliel) is that these are three consecutive angels, they're the three last angels (not counting Mankind) and it's these three encounters that ultimately "break" each of the Children.

Oh, well, when you put it THAT way... Yes, the three consecutive Angel-induced whammies have come up in the past. There's been a bit of stuff (primarily Shin-seiki's doing, if memory serves) about the various "personal tragedies" occuring towards the end and how they're linked up with each other, too. Offhand, I can think of one other probably-not-mentioned (I can't remember) thematic trio that I could dump here, but that would take a while to prepare. (Dang, that little problem ALWAYS gets in the way!)

Talon

April 17th, 2006, 02:49 PM

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-m25/m25_C555_fg_mid.jpg

Blood Orgy, Yay!
-Woodland Critters, South Park

I'm too afraid to post this so i'll just link... (http://photos.sleestak.net/albums/userpics/10001/bloodorgy.jpg)

Notice the resemblance?

*ahem* back on topic

http://homepage.mac.com/jubei1/evangelion/misato/sex4.jpg

http://www.northarc.com/images/eva/mp_eva-2.jpg

*sigh* Metaphors.....

Reichu

April 18th, 2006, 06:18 AM

Even better:

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-m26/m26_C364_anim.gif

Even better than that (http://harpyualuealuealeuale.ytmnd.com/).

Wait... what's the connection between the two images you posted?

(BTW, I almost got a hernia from laughing so hard when I saw that episode of SP.)

Magami No ER

April 18th, 2006, 07:37 AM

^XD YTMND
Also, I thought of the Harpy feast when this South Park aired.
Chef. :(
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/332/776pxchefdead8ow.th.jpg (http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=776pxchefdead8ow.jpg)

Ornette

April 18th, 2006, 09:02 AM

scientologists :(

Reichu

April 18th, 2006, 06:43 PM

scientologists :(

So, Scientology, you may have won this battle, but the million-year war for earth has just begun! Temporarily anozinizing our episode will not stop us from keeping Thetans forever trapped in your pitiful man-bodies. Curses and drat! You have obstructed us for now, but your feeble bid to save humanity will fail! Hail Xenu!!!

I love them.

Okay, now for my feeble attempt to get this thread back on track...

Episode #22'

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-22/22_C342_c_mid.jpg (http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-22/22_C342_c_big.jpg)

"WTH are you?" (Rough translation of "Anata dare?")

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-22/22_C409_comp_mid.jpg (http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-22/22_C409_comp.jpg)

"Oh, you silly liar, you!"

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-22/22_C381_anim.gif

Asuka's Sith Lord doppelganger. (Well... one of them.)

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-22/22_C382_b_mid.jpg

Attack of the Clones! (http://www.evacommentary.org/images_production/groundwork_22_C382.gif)

"No, Asuka! You were going the wrong way! We shall take you to HIM!"
"If it's not Kaji-san, I'm not going!"
"Ohhh... YOU'LL see..."

***

Does this, uh, remind you of anybody? ;)

LuigiHann

April 18th, 2006, 07:00 PM

I don't see what you want me to see, I don't think.
The fusion of Chibi-Asuka and Creepy-Doll-Asuka looks kind of like Creepy-Chibi-Rei, but only because of the creepy smile. Rei's tormented fantasies toward the end have clones in them, but they're presented in a different sort of context.
Then again, I didn't understand much of that scene from 22' in the first place, so I'll have to go back and rewatch it, because your screenshots aren't quite clicking in my head yet.

Reichu

April 18th, 2006, 08:40 PM

I don't see what you want me to see, I don't think.

Just what's there. ;)

The fusion of Chibi-Asuka and Creepy-Doll-Asuka looks kind of like Creepy-Chibi-Rei, but only because of the creepy smile.

That's the first connection my brain made, yep. I think there might be more to it than that, though.

Rei's tormented fantasies toward the end have clones in them, but they're presented in a different sort of context.

For whatever reason, Asuka's "clones" are all wearing smiles and giggling inanely, too...

In any case, both the dolls and the 'clones' have these leers, and they're all various "representations" of Asuka, in a sense. For example, the hanging doll is apparently the other half of Kyoko's "double suicide". ("Please die with me!")

Just in case it has any relevance whatsoever, none of them have actual eyes, either. Or, in the clones' cases, none that we can see. The latter, at least, might have a link-up with the many cuts in which Asuka's eyes are obscured by that common "brow shadow" visual device.

Speaking of no eyes, Asuka the Maggoty suddenly invades the sanctity of my brain -- but, uh, I'm still boggling over that one. So forget I mentioned it, and think happier thoughts (http://www.evacommentary.org/images_capdoc/reichu_asuka-the-everliving.jpg).

Then again, I didn't understand much of that scene from 22' in the first place, so I'll have to go back and rewatch it, because your screenshots aren't quite clicking in my head yet.

I really don't get it all, either. -_-; The part with Shinji is referenced to death (for obvious reasons ;) ), but the rest of the scene hasn't gotten a whole lot of attention... (If, like, any.) Huh. I have some very vague inklings, but they're going to have to roll around in the tumbler of my brain for a while.

zuggy

April 19th, 2006, 06:17 AM

Attack of the Clones! (http://www.evacommentary.org/images_production/groundwork_22_C382.gif)
There is a similar shot for all the Rei clones (I did a version of that where they all had cigarettes), dunno from which episode though.

Ornette

April 22nd, 2006, 10:48 PM

Attack of the Clones! (http://www.evacommentary.org/images_production/groundwork_22_C382.gif)
btw Reichu, where did that image come from?

Oh, and I'd like to see the cig smoking clone picture

Reichu

April 23rd, 2006, 01:46 AM

btw Reichu, where did that image come from?

'Tis from Groundwork of Evangelion Vol. 3.

Reichu

April 24th, 2006, 09:32 AM

More randomness...

Episode #19

IBUKI (OFF):
The pulses have vanished.
It's rejecting the dummy plug.

IBUKI:
It's no use! Eva Unit 01 won't activate!

RITSUKO:
The dummy, Rei...

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-19/19_C191_tile2.jpg

FUYUTSUKI:
It won't accept them?

IKARI (OFF):
Fuyutsuki...

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-19/19_C192_mid.jpg

IKARI:
I'm leaving you in charge for a bit.

Episode #25'

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-m25/m25_C179_tile2.jpg

Fuyutsuki:
The JSSDF have committed almost an entire division...
It's only a matter of time before they take us over completely.

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-m25/m25_C180_b_mid.jpg

Gendo:
Fuyutsuki-sensei, take care of things here.

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-m25/m25_C181_b_mid.jpg

Fuyutsuki:
I understand. Give my regards to Yui.

Reichu

April 24th, 2006, 09:57 AM

Episode #20

MISATO:
What's that?

KAJI (OFF):
A present for you, the first in eight years.

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-20/20_C270_mid.jpg

KAJI:
Though it may be the last.

Episode #26'

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-m26/m26_C344_mid.jpg

Gendo:
I've been waiting for this moment for so long... To finally be with you again, Yui.

A little later...

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-m26/m26_C356_a_mid.jpg

Yui: :drool:
Gendo: I'm in my heaven. All is right with the world.
Yui: :chomp:

Episode #25

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-25/25_C083_mid.jpg

Yui: Shinji, let's go. Abandon the integrity of your ego and any traces of sanity you may have left. You have been chosen by the Divinity Trinity to determine humanity's fate.
Shinji: Who ever said I wanted to do that?!? Mom, you suck! How can you do this to me?!?
Yui: Because (A) I'm God, (B) I'm your mother, and (C) these are our final moments together and you'll miss me once I'm gone. That's why.
Shinji: Fair enough. But I'm still pissed off.

The point of these last two is that we have Yui-sama, in her Now and Future God-Incarnation, holding the Ikari boys in her very large fists. With Shinji, we get the "normal" EVA-01, the one that he's familiar with. She holds him in her righty. Gendo, on the other hand, is greeted by a "freaky"* EVA-01, whose appearance recalls Yui's bousou antics in #19 (which Gendo watched with a grin on his face). She holds him in her lefty.

The scene in #25 seems to complement the one in #25' right after Kyoko-sama and Asuka die, where Yui breaks free of her bakelite prison and insists that Shinji hop in. Enter her body, if you will. In mere moments, it seems that Gendo will be entering her body, too, albeit via another route.

* That's literally what the script says. In English.

LuigiHann

April 24th, 2006, 11:13 AM

I think the blocking differes, but Gendo does that "Fuyutsuki, take care of things here" in Episode 1 and Episode 11, as well. I think in both of those cases he says it from his little one-person elevator though.
I'm also surprised that you didn't throw the Eva01-holding-Kaworu shot into that post, just for the sake of completeness.

Reichu

June 12th, 2006, 09:07 AM

The LCL Sea scene has other correlates throughout the series, I've noticed. Magami sorta started the chain reaction in my brain over in this thread (http://animenation.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5790686#post5790686), but I decided not to go totally crazy with "you never see this stuff just once" there because it was sorta off-topic. (Some interesting comments nonetheless -- check them out.)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/Reichu/mother/05_C210.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/Reichu/mother/m26_C395B_col-disc-6.jpg

This is one that Shin-seiki noted a while back (for the episode #02 commentary), that I'll just post for the hell of it...

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/Reichu/mother/02_C001.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/Reichu/mother/m26_C390.jpg

Couple more later...

Reichu

June 12th, 2006, 01:48 PM

I diverted the "version with comments" into my 'mother figures' thread (http://animenation.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5793199#post5793199), but we'll post the pics here anyway, just for the sake of completeness.

Variations of a particular Shinji image turn up multiple times in #16...

When Shinji stirs, after the entry plug is opened.

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-16/16_C302_a_mid.jpg

And in the hospital, when Shinji first wakes up.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/Reichu/mother/16_C313.jpg

After everyone leaves and Shinji's alone again, he collapses, and...

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-16/16_C325_mid.jpg

"The smell of blood won't come off." This one shows up again in #20, in the interchange Shinji has with himself that concludes, "No, this is the smell of my mother."

Of the three, the latter is the most directly echoed in #26'.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/Reichu/mother/m26_C392.jpg

"Where am I?" (alt. "Where are we?") / "Am I dead?"

(But I'm kinda at a loss for how it fits in, otherwise.)

Reichu

June 12th, 2006, 02:02 PM

More Shinji/Gendo parallelism...

This one again:

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-m26/m26_C344_mid.jpg

Complemented by this one:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/Reichu/mother/m26_C402.jpg

Also, this one might be stretching it, but I figured I'd put it here anyway. A correlation just sort of popped into my head "for no obvious reason".

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/Reichu/mother/m26_C347.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/Reichu/mother/m26_C406.jpg

Well... Hey, you never know.

Reichu

June 12th, 2006, 07:00 PM

Oh noes! Diversion into mother figures thread generated off-topic content that should probably go here instead! Well, I can try, at least...

*****

I guess this would better go in the other thread mentioned, but that pic of Misato crying over the entry plug...

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-16/16_C301_tile2.jpg

...brings to mind the shots of Gendo and Shinji over Rei's plug, which of course mirrored each other already.

Yeah, that popped into my head, too, when I was preparing the screenshots from #16. Would add the paralleled Gendo/Shinji scenes now, but I haven't capped the #06 scene yet... ("Crap.")

Not to wander too much into this (http://www.animenation.net/forums/showthread.php?t=104577) thread, but I've always liked to think that Shinji's line in the aforementioned scene, "I just wanted to see you one more time", was not being directed to Misato but past her...

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/6254/002041asuka3xt.th.jpg (http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=002041asuka3xt.jpg)

Hmm, I dunno. Just on a technical note, Shinji isn't specifying who he's talking about: "Tada, aitakatta 'n da. Mou ichido..." Basically what Platinum translates it as, just with no "you". (Originally, they used "wanted to see them" instead, I think. Don't feel like checking right now.) This is echoed later on...

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-m26/m26_C419_h_mid.jpg

"But I thought I wanted to see them again." ("Demo boku wa mou ichido aitai to omotta." No "they" specified, but...)

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-m26/m26_C420_b_mid.jpg

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-m26/m26_C421_mid.jpg

"Because I think that my feelings then (lit. that time) were real." ("Sono toki no kimochi wa hontou da to, omou kara.")

So who's Shinji's referring to in #16. Misato? Everybody?

Jabberwok

June 12th, 2006, 07:34 PM

Hmm, I dunno. Just on a technical note, Shinji isn't specifying who he's talking about...
For the most part I was just trying to be a bit cheeky there. I just got ahold of my Angelic Days V.1 and felt the need to inject a little shipping goodness (again (http://www.animenation.net/forums/showpost.php?p=5779894&postcount=3457) )

So who's Shinji's referring to in #16. Misato? Everybody?
Keeping in mind Shinji's final line during his last dream sequence (before Ghost-Mom)...

Shinji: I hate this place... I don't want to be alone anymore...

...I still don't know, but I lean more towards "everybody".

Although... Two scenes later, we do see a certain redhead checking in on our troubled anti-hero again...
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/9952/checkingin1pu.th.jpg (http://img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=checkingin1pu.jpg)
...Again, cheeky.

Reichu

June 13th, 2006, 01:03 PM

For the most part I was just trying to be a bit cheeky there. I just got ahold of my Angelic Days V.1 and felt the need to inject a little shipping goodness (again (http://www.animenation.net/forums/showpost.php?p=5779894&postcount=3457) )

No, no, no! If you want to be cheeky, you have to do stuff like write dialogues about intimate encounters between Akira and Keel, Kaworu (femme only) and Shinji, or various combinations of Evas, Angels, and Gendo! (Crumb, I think I revealed too much there.)

Keeping in mind Shinji's final line during his last dream sequence (before Ghost-Mom), I still don't know, but I lean more towards "everybody".

I think I do, too. (But Gendo and Fuyutsuki obviously wouldn't count. :shifty: )

Although... Two scenes later, we do see a certain redhead checking in on our troubled anti-hero again...

Rather embarassed-like, too. I guess I would be if I were caught eavesdropping (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/Reichu/DPGNGE_Groundwork-2-146.jpg) on such a boring conversation, too. (BTW, your link makes my Firefox crash and burn.)

This thread should provoke more discussion than it does. I hate you all. http://www.evacommentary.org/forums/images/smiles/blankie.gif

Jabberwok

June 13th, 2006, 04:37 PM

This thread should provoke more discussion than it does. I hate you all.
:cracks knuckles:

[i]No, no, no! If you want to be cheeky, you have to do stuff like write dialogues about intimate encounters between Akira and Keel, Kaworu (femme only) and Shinji, or various combinations of Evas, Angels, and Gendo! (Crumb, I think I revealed too much there.)

Writing mock intimate encounters seems to skirt very close to writing serious intimate encounters which then starts getting into Lemon/Lime territory. And I just don't get the point of Limon (I mean, there's easier ways to masturbate). :P

I'll save my literary energies for eternaly unfinished fanfics and movie references (http://www.animenation.net/forums/showpost.php?p=5782496&postcount=3466).

I think I do, too. (But Gendo and Fuyutsuki obviously wouldn't count. :shifty: )
http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-m26/m26_C421_mid.jpg
...Obviously.

(BTW, your link makes my Firefox crash and burn.)
Hmmm. Well it's was from "Go Hikari!", pg. 231, post #3457.
And if my earlier link doesn't work either, that was "Go Hikari!", 232, 3466. I'm just "Copy Link Location"-ing on the post number for these. Someone tell me if I'm doing it wrong.

[characters lying on their backs]
Now, to play devil's advocate a bit here, there are a finite number of ways to depict someone lying on their back. That said though...

Unless you were indirectly making this connection with prone-Kaji:prone-Gendo and then later with prone-Gendo:prone-Shinji, I think a very significant parallelism is Kaji:Shinji in these...
http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-20/20_C270_mid.jpg
...a man in the place he most wants to be (a renewed relationship with Misato), coming to terms with the end of his life and the choices he has made...
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/Reichu/mother/m26_C392.jpg
...and a boy in the place he least wants to be (the Sea of LCL, "I felt pain in that place"), coming to the realization that his life is only just beginning but only if he has the courage to make difficult choices.
"Most" and "Least" were used to illustrate the point, not to make any sort of generalization.

After reading back through the first pages of this, I was surprised that this connection was not illustrated with all of the other Unit-02 fun...
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/5474/004115disemboweled1ag.th.jpg (http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=004115disemboweled1ag.jpg)

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/8548/001814doll4hv.th.jpg (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=001814doll4hv.jpg)

Oh wait, I found it now. It was just hard-linked, not image-linked. Disregard the previous nonsense.

Although, on a plus, when looking for the doll image, I fast-forwarded exactly to it and then proceded to watch the remainder on the mind-rape scene. I've never found that scene more powerful than when watched in a vacuum, without any of the preceding of following scenes; I openly shed tears.

[Lol, wut? Smileys count as images in a post? Simply stunning.]

Reichu

June 13th, 2006, 06:30 PM

[I just realized that I didn't really add much here to regenerate said discussion. Maybe I'll get something better later.]

Well, there's loads of stuff in the show that hasn't been dumped here... Some of it's been mentioned "publicly" before, some (AFAIK) not. Lots of potential for fun, regardless.

Writing mock intimate encounters seems to skirt very close to writing serious intimate encounters which then starts getting into Lemon/Lime territory. And I just don't get the point of Limon (I mean, there's easier ways to masturbate). :P

I think part of the reason I write them is to mock ones that ARE done seriously. Another is because Sammael told me to. Yet another is because my brain finds it funny (and possibly kinky). (If I were to write actual serious lemon, I sure as hell wouldn't post it on the Internets. But satire = okay. Fufufu.)

I'll save my literary energies for eternaly unfinished fanfics and movie references (http://www.animenation.net/forums/showpost.php?p=5782496&postcount=3466).

Ah, EUFs... I know them well. Regarding the latter: "I lolled." (I need to catch up on "Go Hikari!", seriously.)

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-m26/m26_C421_mid.jpg
...Obviously.

You read the "What's up with EoE?" thread? ;)

Now, to play devil's advocate a bit here, there are a finite number of ways to depict someone lying on their back.

Something about these three seems eerily deliberate, though...

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-20/20_C270_mid.jpg

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-m26/m26_C344_mid.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/Reichu/mother/m26_C402.jpg

(Would be better if all three had the mouths the same way, but whatever.)

I don't have any sort of response to your suggestion about Kaji-Shinji at this time (you used the wrong Shinji pic, BTW -- at least, I *think* you did...). My own thoughts about this trio are rather inarticulate right now, as well.

Unless you were indirectly making this connection with prone-Kaji:prone-Gendo and then later with prone-Gendo:prone-Shinji...

Well, that's the order that I found them in, at least. But to my mind, those do feel like two distinct duos within the greater trio.

felineki

June 26th, 2006, 01:18 PM

I was recntly reminded of another instance of the cross/death parallel that was featured in this thread... remember how Eva-03 was carried to the Matsushiro site attached to a huge cross on the bottom of a plane? And of course, we all know what ended up happening to her...

Reichu

June 26th, 2006, 01:35 PM

That reminds me more of the "giant uber-beings being 'crucified' for your sins" pattern -- Lilith, EVA-03, EVA-01, harpies. Yeah, what's the deal with all that shee-yat, yo?

Something about the EVA-03/cross thing always bothered me "for no apparent reason". Generally, #17 and #18 were pretty straightforward, so having this giant cross, out of nowhere, improbably hanging off the bottom of a jumbo jet to transport an Eva (when no other Evas are ever transported via jumbo jet in so lamely nonaerodynamic a manner) feels like one of the more pointless examples of Pointless Religious Symbolism. ...Unless I'm missing something. (EoE is so wacky in general it has a lot of elbow room in that particular arena. ;) )

Supercat

June 26th, 2006, 02:06 PM

Something about these three seems eerily deliberate, though...

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-20/20_C270_mid.jpg

http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-m26/m26_C344_mid.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/Reichu/mother/m26_C402.jpg

(Would be better if all three had the mouths the same way, but whatever.)

While I typically find these visual correlations to be very intruiging and revelatory, I would just like to point out that the fact that Gendo, Kaji, and Shinji are all framed with their heads sideways in similar-looking shots may represent some visual symbolism, or may also very well be an artistic preference (as in, Anno thought it looked interesting or appealing, and as a result used this similar image multiple times, without any intended symbolism).

CanonRAP

June 26th, 2006, 04:02 PM

<3 dudes>

They're all experiencing pleasure and pain??

Magami No ER

June 26th, 2006, 04:48 PM

(when no other Evas are ever transported via jumbo jet in so lamely nonaerodynamic a manner) feels like one of the more pointless examples of Pointless Religious Symbolism. )
Eh...the "pointlessness" could just be merely forshadowing of what's to befall Eva-03, and the whole connection with "Adam"(in the new viewers mind) on the cross.
I just that would seem significant if one were to actually watch the series in the correct order, spoiler free, something I didn't do for numerous tiring reasons...
Other then that, besides to look cool & visual alluring, one useless self-concocted possiblity could be that the transport team may have perhaps been a little Eva wary, considering what happened to Eva-04, and maybe... they didn't want her on the plane....:unsure: <grasping at straws here...>

Reichu

June 26th, 2006, 04:54 PM

They're all experiencing pleasure and pain??
d00d. They've all, like, got a chick on top. Uh, huh huh huh.

Well, Gendo sort of pushes that. But Yui's going to, like, take him into herself presently. (...I think.) It's kind of sexy in a twisted sort of way. :P

CanonRAP

June 26th, 2006, 05:23 PM

Generally, #17 and #18 were pretty straightforward, so having this giant cross, out of nowhere, improbably hanging off the bottom of a jumbo jet to transport an Eva (when no other Evas are ever transported via jumbo jet in so lamely nonaerodynamic a manner) feels like one of the more pointless examples of Pointless Religious Symbolism. ...

It was fairly odd that San was transported this way, across an ocean, when Nigouki was brought to Japan via the UN fleet. Maybe they just felt that there could possibly another underwater Angels?

Or, of course, it's just religious symbolism [\/] ...

Eh...the "pointlessness" could just be merely forshadowing of what's to befall Eva-03, and the whole connection with "Adam"(in the new viewers mind) on the cross.
I just that would seem significant if one were to actually watch the series in the correct order, spoiler free, something I didn't do for numerous tiring reasons...

Other then that, besides to look cool & visual alluring, one useless self-concocted possiblity could be that the transport team may have perhaps been a little Eva wary, considering what happened to Eva-04, and maybe... they didn't want her on the plane.... <grasping at straws here...>

I don't think being on the outside of the plane makes any difference as to being inside when inverse space* swallows the entire thing anyways ^_^.

And I find that in general, Eva-aerial-insertions are damn cool ("Look, another use for the shoulder pylons!") The Ryousanki being brought in on the underside of specialized stealth 'bombers' was kickass.

*Did I confuse it for something else, or is this what the Dirac Sea is? (I looked it up a while ago, but forgot...)

EDIT: I fixed your quote's name ;).

Magami No ER

June 26th, 2006, 05:40 PM

Yay, another Megami...always in the Eva forum. =P

<I didn't think it would make a difference either, but you know Lilium and their Eva fears, futile as their efforts are...>

Ornette

June 26th, 2006, 06:14 PM

Eva-02 already had a pilot, and she was traveling with the Eva. In the event of an angel showing up, they'd be prepared.

Eva-03 didn't have a trained pilot and the U.S. Nerv branch seemed to want to get rid of it considering what happened with Eva-04. Perhaps the plane ride was an attempt at both getting it to a sync test with pilot ASAP as well as minimizing the exposure of an unprotected Eva. If Eva-03 was transported via water, it would take a lot longer.

Mr. Tines

June 26th, 2006, 11:10 PM

If Eva-03 was transported via water, it would take a lot longer.

Air transport one thing - but compare EVA-01 in ep#7 and the harpies in EoE.

It's kind of sexy in a twisted sort of way. :P

For vore fetishists, at the very least. :naughty:

Reichu

June 27th, 2006, 11:40 AM

Air transport one thing - but compare EVA-01 in ep#7 and the harpies in EoE.
They were transported by air in a rather more aerodynamically efficient manner... But I can't tell what point you're making here.

For vore fetishists, at the very least. :naughty:
Are you implying something, sir? http://www.evacommentary.org/forums/images/smiles/paranoid.gif

It does seem a bit strange that an implied reunion between Yui and Gendo would be carried out by having her 'appear to him' as a "freaky EVA-01" and bite off his upper half -- leaving the rest behind with guts hanging out, as if to let you know that, yes, he really DID get the chomp. But perhaps I shouldn't get ahead of myself...