Suikoden 5

[SuperHiko]

....!

http://suikox.com/s5/suiko5.jpg

yep

[Hisoka]

I'm very excited about this. It sounds really good. I doubt they will make the same mistakes as they did for IV.

In the newest issue of Weekly Shounen JUMP magazine, Konami took the wraps off Suikoden V. The announcement of the newest addition to the company's long-running RPG series comes only three weeks before the September 22nd release of the strategy RPG gaiden, Rhapsodia (Suikoden Tactics).
puts players in charge of the prince of the Kingdom of Falena who has been living a careless life, until he becomes involved in a certain incident. He is accompanied by Lion, a young girl whose responsibility it is to protect the prince. Archutart Falena is the mother of the protagonist and the queen of the kingdom. The popular queen has managed to create and lead a peaceful nation and hence enjoys the respect of her people.
Look forward to more information on as Tokyo Game Show 2005 approaches. Konami will even have a playable demo of the game at its Tokyo Game Show booth.

Suikoden V has yet to receive an official release date in Japan.

[Malon]

Looks just like Suikoden IV. And having nothing but female characters in the preview article doesn't help my approval. Nope, I'm not going to check up on this game unless you guys here at AN say that it's good.

[Hisoka]

Looks just like Suikoden IV. And having nothing but female characters in the preview article doesn't help my approval. Nope, I'm not going to check up on this game unless you guys here at AN say that it's good.

The hero is a guy. He's on the bottom left of the pic. Looks can be deceiving.

[Malon]

:redface: Oh, I feel stupid. I barely do not recognize a bishounen when I see one. He looks a lot better that the guy from Suikoden IV but he just doesn't have that boyish look like the rest of them do!

[SuperHiko]

No time-line has been established...

BUT it says incident in Falena, so we all know this could deal with Prime.

and

as far as character art, it looks better then IV. Has a S2 look to it.

[Malon]

Ummm, I'll have to disagree with it looking like S2. I played that game not too long ago along with S4 and I believe it looks exactly like the S4 art.

[SuperHiko]

um

Suikoden 4 had bland character designs....

this looks nothing like 4

silly fox

http://novaslash.free.fr/pages/img_galerie/wall_suiko4/wall4_suiko4.jpg

= fail

[Hisoka]

I agree with you Super Hiko. The characters don't look like Suikoden IV characters. I wouldn't compare the style of Suikoden V to anything untill I see more, but I like it to say the least.

If anything it's going to look most like Suikoden III because they got Fumi Ishikawa to do the art again.

:redface: Oh, I feel stupid. I barely do not recognize a bishounen when I see one. He looks a lot better that the guy from Suikoden IV but he just doesn't have that boyish look like the rest of them do!

Nothing is official yet. Just something I heard on some other forums.

[CrossboneGundam]

I hope this game doesn't suck like Suikoden 3 and 4, but I've been let down so much by Konami in this area over the past few years, I'm not expecting much of anything.

[Hisoka]

Suikoden III is godly. Although, I don't like it as much as the first two games, I rank it extreamlly high next to all the other RPG's I've played. It was so much fun.

[SuperHiko]

*looks at his PS2 collection*

Yeah.........THE or one of the better rpgs on the ps2. (I like it more then SH2, but SH2 is damn good.)

Four Suikoden games on the PS2. granted one is "suck". We have potentially two more coming that will bring glory back to the series.

[Loopy]

Suikoden III was excellent until all the heroes gathered and you "officially" got the castle. Then character and story development was cut to a minimum and it went from excellent to okay. Coincidentally, the last few chapters were when Murayama left and seeing as how Suikoden IV supposedly sucked without Murayama's influence, I shudder at this installment as well.

[katanasix]

Did Suikoden 4 really suck that bad? I loved Suikoden III, though the battle system sucked goat's arse.

[Hisoka]

Did Suikoden 4 really suck that bad? I loved Suikoden III, though the battle system sucked goat's arse.

I like Suikoden IV, but that's because I've been a diehard Suikoden fan for almost 10 years. I had a good amount of fun playing it. But compared the rest it was seriously lacking. The characters weren't that interesting, only 4 characters at a time, horrible story or lack of one, bad ending and last but not least the horribly slow ship you have to travel around in for a good while. It also didn't have a really good beginning setting up the rest of the game like all the others. I give it a B while I give the other 3 an A+.

[neiru_3]

If it's Suikoden than I am getting it. I really hope they improve over S4..they have to. I hope to see some familiar faces..perhaps some we haven't seen since S1 or 2.

[katanasix]

I like Suikoden IV, but that's because I've been a diehard Suikoden fan for almost 10 years. I had a good amount of fun playing it. But compared the rest it was seriously lacking. The characters weren't that interesting, only 4 characters at a time, horrible story or lack of one, bad ending and last but not least the horribly slow ship you have to travel around in for a good while. It also didn't have a really good beginning setting up the rest of the game like all the others. I give it a B while I give the other 3 an A+.

I think i'll pass on it. Suikoden v sounds better.

[Hisoka]

A bit off topic but check these figures out.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/Hisokahajime/suikoden-yamato.jpg

[SuperHiko]

Own them all.

Every Suikoden Main, godly.

Hoping, waiting for a second set.

[Manafairy]

Ah, a cool weapon for the main character again. It's no tonfa, but a three-sectioned staff thingy is still pretty awesome (Even if I still don't understand how the blacksmith improves those kind of weapons :P).

That said, I definately can't wait for this. The 4th was disappointing, but I still liked it so if they manage to improve on it at all I'll be quite happy. Hopefully this'll have a better place in the timeline so we can have some more recognizable characters. I would be absolutely ecstatic to see Pesmerga again (I'm still baffled as to why the kept Yuber in the third but ditched Pesmerga who was not only just as painfully mysterious but obviously somehow involved with Yuber), but I guess I'll live even if the returners are as scarce as in the 4th. I just hope they don't make us wait too long ^_^

[Michael]

WOW. That just about explains everything on why Suikoden 3 had good characters. It's nice to know you COMPLETELY neglected how battle-smart he was, and how he acted as a mentor to Hugo.
Duck. With. Spear.

That's more than enough for me!

Well, not quite. Penguin with spear would be better.
And this is why Disgaea > everything. Combustable penguins.

[Loopy]

And some people still don't understand the meaning of opinion. Sad.

[Jae Hoon]

They all suck,


there be mad at me now, I aint scared.

[Michael]

Jae is a mean old poopie head. :(

That's okay, I played Dong Hwan anyway!

[MightyDustLoop]

My faith has long since been shaken. I sure as hell won't be losing any sleep in anticipation of this one.

But if it kicks arse when it hits, I won't discriminate. I'll be there for the ride. Not playing it just because I played the first three though. I know the likelihood of everything tying together in an epic battle before the end of the series is, well, nonexistent.

[Hisoka]

Now, back on topic : Is this game confirmed to be after the 3rd games storyline or before? I hope its after. The Suikoden cannon is interesting, so if it takes a step backwards, it would suck. Kind of like how Suikoden 4 did.

It's pretty much unknown right now. We'll most likely have our answer in a few weeks.

[Loopy]

I'm not expecting much. Especially if what Loopy said about Murayama is the truth.


Its true all right. Here ya go. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suikoden)

What's really irksome though is that had Murayama stayed till the end, we would have gotten a Sasarai POV instead of the ****** dog POV.

[Zack_theIceMan]

Wow. I come to this thread, hoping for some good old Suikoden discussion like in the old days, but I find an all out fight, instead. Not just arguing over whether or not Suikoden 3 sucks (which I think it does, by the way) but elevated into personal attacks, as well. I'm really disappointed. I've never seen such childish behavior in a Suikoden thread, before.

So anyway, let's try to get this thread back on topic. The topic being Suikoden 5. So, anyone, what do you hope to see in this next installment? I hope to see Yuber and Pesmerga return. And I hope to never have to control a boat again.

By the way, what's everyone's thoughts on Rhapsodia?

[Hisoka]

Wow. I come to this thread, hoping for some good old Suikoden discussion like in the old days, but I find an all out fight, instead. Not just arguing over whether or not Suikoden 3 sucks (which I think it does, by the way) but elevated into personal attacks, as well. I'm really disappointed. I've never seen such childish behavior in a Suikoden thread, before.

I agree. I don't see why something like this is necessary.

So anyway, let's try to get this thread back on topic. The topic being Suikoden 5. So, anyone, what do you hope to see in this next installment? I hope to see Yuber and Pesmerga return. And I hope to never have to control a boat again.

By the way, what's everyone's thoughts on Rhapsodia?

I never want to control a boat again unless they make the controls better. I remember having to sail from one part of the map to a long distance away and it took a half hour.

I want them to return it to a party of 6. I wasn't a fan of only being able to use 4 characters. I spent more time trying to figure out who to use because the spaces were so limited.

I'd love for them to use the Suikoden 2 system while adding in the skills from 3. I was a big fan of the skill system. I found it to be a lot of fun.

Bring back the kill counter from 3. I found it interesting that you could keep track of that.

Since it's set in Felena, it would be great to see some old characters like Killy, Lorelai, Morgan and like you said, Yuber and Pesmerga would be an added bonus.

As for Rhapsodia. From the movie clips I've seen the battle system looks good. From what I've heard, the music is good too. My hope for Rhapsodia is that they further the character development with the characters from IV.

[Zack_theIceMan]

As for Rhapsodia. From the movie clips I've seen the battle system looks good. From what I've heard, the music is good too. My hope for Rhapsodia is that they further the character development with the characters from IV.

My guess is that the creators finished Suikoden IV, then realized it had absolutely no storyline at all. Then, they got the idea of using those characters in an actual story, and created Rhapsodia. Though, since it's an S4 spinoff, my hopes for it aren't too high just yet.

[Haruhi]

Wow. I come to this thread, hoping for some good old Suikoden discussion like in the old days, but I find an all out fight, instead. Not just arguing over whether or not Suikoden 3 sucks (which I think it does, by the way) but elevated into personal attacks, as well. I'm really disappointed. I've never seen such childish behavior in a Suikoden thread, before.


I apologize, gomen ne~ I cleaned up most of the off-topic discussion, so at least it's easier to get back to the topic.


So, anyone, what do you hope to see in this next installment? I hope to see Yuber and Pesmerga return.


Yuber had Pesmergas sword in Suikoden 3, so he might have defeated or even killed Persmerga after Suikoden 2.

As far as wanting...

I want everything back in good 2D glory. But we all know that isn't going to happen..

6 man parties. Not paired up like Suikoden 3, though.

No ocean traveling, unless it's like Suikoden 1 where you can control it more freely.

Viki and Jeanne. But we all know that's gonna happen again.

Story centered around more interesting true runes than the elemental runes. They were boring and that's what took away from Suikoden 3.

Returning stars from different games. IF this is set in the future after 3, we might be seeing this. Hopefully Sierra Mikain and Mcdohl.

Neclord again, just because vampires are cool and he had a cool theme song.

More involvement from Harmonia. In Suikoden 3, we got a glimpse of what their archtecture was like and so far, they've established themselves as pretty good nation. Fun to fight against.

Skill pt system from Suikoden 3.

A main characater who actually speaks. It irritated me in Suikoden 4 how everybody talked BUT you.

A BADASS castle like Suikoden 2.

The "Chinese" theme that Suikoden 1 had.

[SuperHiko]

....

funny, all my comments are gone, IMO that just seems odd.

if Sierra shows up again, Nash damn well better be her immortal love slave. (They did mention he looked oddly young for someone almost 40.)

The setting for Suikoden 5 is in Falena, all we know about that place is there was an incident before Suikoden 2 that involved Prime and the death of the Queen. He was accused of killing the queen, but the story never goes too deep into that arc. For all we know this game could be from that time span.

Also, characters originating from Falena, Georg Prime, Killey, Lorelai

I also seem to recall the Sindar having to do with Falena, which could mean we might see the Rune of Change.

More Dragon KNight loving is always welcome, in S3 Joshua had given up his Dragon Rune to Milia, but we all know Futch deserves that rune more then anyone.

Suikoden 4 messed a lot of things up that were good in the series. It didn't have the Zodiac sword who is always a friendly face to see in these games.

Like many said, there are COUNTLESS possibilities, yet for right now we know nothing.

One could asume a random Silverburg will be in part 5 somewhere.

and that Leknaat will show up.

for everything else, there is mastercard.

[Zack_theIceMan]

Well, there are three things we know beyond a shadow of a doubt will be in S5. Jeane, Viki, and a random Silverburg. I'm hoping the story will involve Georg Prime, Killey, Lorelai, and even Morgan (Whom I completely forgot about. I had to look him up on Suikosource). I'd just like to see some familiar faces, again. I really doubt we're going to see Neclord again. There isn't much more to tell about his story. Unless you go back to his origins, and the Blue Moon Rune, the vampire village, etc.

Yuber had Pesmergas sword in Suikoden 3, so he might have defeated or even killed Persmerga after Suikoden 2.

I doubt that, for one reason. Okay, two. Konami said that Yuber and Pesmerga's conflict will not be resolved until the final game. Also, the battle would have been climactic, and I'm sure we would've heard about it.

A main characater who actually speaks. It irritated me in Suikoden 4 how everybody talked BUT you.

I agree. I hated that, and I hated Hero 4's design all together.

I want everything back in good 2D glory. But we all know that isn't going to happen..

Yeah, that'd be nice. 3D Suikoden just doesn't have the same feel.

Oh well, like Hiko said, we don't know anything right now. Anyone know when the Tokyo Game Show is?

[Hisoka]

Oh well, like Hiko said, we don't know anything right now. Anyone know when the Tokyo Game Show is?

The 17th or 18th of this month.

[Malon]

I see some of you hoping and speculating for this new Suikoden game. Suikoden IV took away all my hope for this one.

There is much that I want changed but the 4 person party really needs to go.

[SuperHiko]

anyways....

Suiko 5 site is up

http://www.konami.jp/gs/game/genso/V/

Nothing special, but from the things in the site I can being to speculate.

The rune behind the name looks like a sun, so maybe this is a TR of Brightness/ Bright Sun Rune? Kinda be like the opposite of the Pale Moon Rune...or something.

There are also two blurry things under the names, this could be anything........

[Kafreen]

I liked the Suikoden II the best. Was Suikoden IV any different from the previous games? I just saw there were ship battles and stuff.

[Gitaru~chan]

Gwah~! I'm so out of it, Suikoden-wise. I borrowed the 4th game from a friend but have no dared touch it yet. T^T Cuz I heard bad things about it.

[Malon]

I liked the Suikoden II the best. Was Suikoden IV any different from the previous games? I just saw there were ship battles and stuff.

Let's put it this way: I didn't feel like I was playing Suikoden.

[Westlo]

I just hope Jeannes a playable character again ^^

[Hisoka]

Some info from TGS:

Returning
6 party members
Skill system
Weapon ranges (S,M,L)

Georg Prime is indeed in the game. (Top left of pic)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/Hisokahajime/tgspic.jpg

[Aelice]

:redface: Oh, I feel stupid. I barely do not recognize a bishounen when I see one. He looks a lot better that the guy from Suikoden IV but he just doesn't have that boyish look like the rest of them do!

Hahaha, I thought he was a lady, too XD The way he's flaunting that arse is very stereotypically fanservice for boys. O_O ODD.

[Hisoka]

The official site now has a theme song.

http://www.konami.jp/gs/game/genso/V/top/index.html

It sounds very old school. Everything so far is looking great imo. I didn't have this same great feeling when news would come out about Suikoden 4. I have high hopes for V.

[SuperHiko]

So far, without any story so far, Suiko 5 looks very promising.

and....

wow

.......Suiko 1 and 2, Suiko Tactics, Suiko 5, and now with the possibility of Suiko 6 on the PS3........

So many Suikodens coming to us.......possibly!

*dies*

[SuperHiko]

OK!

From what I saw in the Trailer at gamespot, this is what I can tell you guys....

The main character with have the Rune of Dawn. Not sure what its powers are, but yeah.

Georg will be in this game, he has a new outfit and also was seen in his classic Suiko 2 fit.

It was also confirmed this game takes place between Suiko 1 and 2....

The Queendom of Falena is a Matriarchy, the men are considered the wives.

Also, the hero has of course his mother(the queen) a father and a sister. His sister is next in line to the throne.

The queen has the Sun Rune in her head, she apparently goes crazy at one point and destroys things with it.

Three TRs will be in this game, we have seen...2 at least.

Six people in battles, and the battles look like Suiko 1 and 2. They have that Isometric angle to them. The skill system, and maybe some sort of formation thing are also there.

The hero is seen wearing at least three different outfits, one that looks something similar to Tir's.

There was dragon type mounts, without wings. Alos dragons that were used for sea travel.

The girl named Rion will probably be the Nanami of this game. Since it seems the Hero will be a silent main, she will go everywhere with you and act like yer voice.

I know there are other things, but I'm way too excited to think right now!

*runs off and slams into a wall*

[Hisoka]

The trailer made me speechless. V looks to be VERY story oriented. Man, I really wish they would include the japanese language. It sounded excellent.

[Haruhi]

OK!

The girl named Rion will probably be the Nanami of this game. Since it seems the Hero will be a silent main, she will go everywhere with you and act like yer voice.

And then she'll die while protecting the hero. Only to be kept alive, via 108 stars of destiny collected.

[ryucross]

Thus far this looks like a giant "We're Sorry" for Suikoden 3 Chapters 4-5 and all of Suikoden 4. Lets see if they can refrain from screwing it up.

[SuperHiko]

And then she'll die while protecting the hero. Only to be kept alive, via 108 stars of destiny collected.

Sure does seem that way as seen in the extended trailer on gamespot, she SEEMS to get stabbed in the back(by some guy) after pushing the hero out of the way.

[Haruhi]

I just saw the extended trailer (from GS). I must say... it's looking AMAZING. I think my heart skipped a beat when the trailer played vintage Suikoden 1 music. (Moonlight, I think is the name of the song?) It's definitely a big improvement over Suikoden 3 and definitely Suikoden 4.

Things I like so far:

The Chinese-type story and plot (Originally the legend of the water marigin), which the previous 2 titles lacked, seems to be back with the Asian type settings, weaponry and characters. Exiled royalty coming back a man = great.

Vintage 6 character battlets w/pairings is back, and it was good in the first 2 games, therefore, it must be good here. Good stuff.

Extravagant spell effects and combinations. Suikoden 1 and 2 did a great job at making the spells look badass, while Suikoden 3 did an average-to-good job (but awesome for the lvl 4 True Rune spells). Suikoden 4 was CRAP.

The camera angle and view looks much more classic as opposed to the system used in 3 and 4.

Some gripes however...

We didn't get to see Leknaat in this trailer, which kind of worries me, as she's such an important character in the Suikoden storyline. I hope she's in there. Oh, and Jeanne and Viki, too.

Looks like the main is still as silent as ever... which, IMO, can take away from the cinematics, as everybody else seems to have spoken dialogue. But at least,this time, they have something to verbally address him as. {Ouji = prince)

And finally, I'm really afraid that the dubbing team (which we sadly know will happen) is going to screw up on this game. I sooo prefer Japanese dialogue.

As RyuX said, this looks like a big "We're sorry for screwing up on part of 3 and all of 4" game.

[Malon]

I much prefer the silent hero in RPGs and I can't see a Suikoden game without him.

[SuperHiko]

Oh....hah

Suikox has the translated version of that 10 minute long trailer.

and right when it starts, you here a girl sneeze and ask where she is....

If that isn't vintage Viki I don't know what is.

The translation makes the story sounds go great. The music IS great, it has the old Suiko feel to it. It also looks that this game may very well be close to complete. We could be getting it early in 06 if we are lucky.

also, speculation time......

Since this game will be the "Prime Incident" we know the timeline. It's gonna be before S2 and after S1. Not for anything, but there was a lady dressed in a black and gold hood. Maybe Windy shows up here? Luc, and Luca(although he has no reason to be here) also could be in this game. Luc more then anyone since for all we know he is still serving under Leknaat at this time and Leknaat simply HAS to be in this game.

There appeared to be a girl that looked like Lorelai in the trailer.

.....and the new animal race (I don't know why thy keep doing this lol) seems to be beavers!!

hahahaha

So far I am very enthusiastic about this game.

[Haruhi]

Since this game will be the "Prime Incident" we know the timeline. It's gonna be before S2 and after S1. Not for anything, but there was a lady dressed in a black and gold hood. Maybe Windy shows up here? Luc, and Luca(although he has no reason to be here) also could be in this game. Luc more then anyone since for all we know he is still serving under Leknaat at this time and Leknaat simply HAS to be in this game.


What's the "Prime Incident?" And how can Windy return if she died in Suikoden 1?

[SuperHiko]

Georg Prime, the incident in Falena where Prime "supposedly" kills the queen. This game is going to tell that story.

Also, Windy has never actually been confirmed dead. She is..missing as is her rune.

[SuperHiko]

Nothig really new, but here is some info

Suikoden V Gets New Stars, Battle Details

The latest issue of Weekly Shonen Jump Magazine has provided plenty of new information on Suikoden V for the PlayStation 2, both in the gameplay and character departments. The game is the latest in Konami's long-running RPG series, and this entry will take players to the Queendom of Falena.

As to the battles, Suikoden V will ditch Suikoden IV's four member battle parties, instead bringing back the six member parties which marked the first three games. The title will also restore the series' battle formations, though this time around, the structure will be a bit looser. Rather than pigeonholing the team into a formation of two three-character rows, Suikoden V will be able to lay out all six characters in an arc or create three rows of one, two, and three characters. Other battle formations also remain a possibility.

The Suikoden series has always involved characters making appearances in multiple titles, and Suikoden V will be no exception, as the magazine confirms one character from a prior title who will show up: Suikoden II's Georg Prime. Georg's appearance indicates that Suikoden V will take place in a similar timeframe as the first three games of the series.

In addition to the one confirmed returning character, quite a few new characters have been introduced as well. One prominent new character is Knight Captain Felid, who is the husband of Falena's Queen Alshtat. His daughter, Limsleia, is the sister of the game's hero. They'll be joined by Miakis, Galeon, Kyle, and the dog-man Fuwala-fuwalu, though nothing is known about these four. Additionally, there will be a powerful mage named Zerase who joins the 108 Stars of Destiny.

One other trademark of the Suikoden series is the strategists who join the Stars of Destiny to advise the hero in military matters, and Shonen Jump talks a bit about the character who will fill that role in Suikoden V. Lucredia is a woman with a cold, calculating, and logical mind, all of which is belied by her pleasant, quiet manner. She is assisted by Shius, a veteran soldier who follows the book to the letter, and Lelei, Shius' partner.

Suikoden V will be released to Japanese retailers on February 23 2006. While a North American release has been confirmed by Konami, no specific dates have been given yet.

[Dalmain]

This is awesome. Georg Prime was a beast..good to see him back and I love the fact it's set somewhere around the first two games timeframe.

[SuperHiko]

ok, long time in waiting...

this is THE guy you are going to want to listen to when it comes to Suikoden...

here is his spoiler free review of the guy thus far.

http://www.suikox.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7975

...4 week and counting...

I can't wait.

[Hisoka]

I brought this up in the "what Video Game did you last purchase" thread. I was amazed by all the praise he gave Suikoden V. I haven't been so excited to play an RPG in quite some time. I'm also in no way shape of form a dub fan, but from the video's I've seen the voices don't seem annoying at all. This game will single handedly bring the Suikoden pride back to the franchise.

[Haruhi]

I heard that this game has the option to choose Eng/Jpn audio... Is it true?

[Hisoka]

... :O That would be beyond amazing.

[SuperHiko]

who cares, either way this game is going to be magificamazing

[Haruhi]

who cares, either way this game is going to be magificamazing

That may be, but I'd still love to hear it in Japanese. No disrespect to the English VA... I just prefer Japanese dialogue.

[Akito]

That may be, but I'd still love to hear it in Japanese. No disrespect to the English VA... I just prefer Japanese dialogue.
No need to be diplomatic about it. English voice acting sucks. I sure hope they keep the Japanese voice acting in. I had to turn the voices off in many recent RPGs I've played (like Ys VI and Tales of Legendia).

[Haruhi]

No need to be diplomatic about it. English voice acting sucks. I sure hope they keep the Japanese voice acting in. I had to turn the voices off in many recent RPGs I've played (like Ys VI and Tales of Legendia).

But some RPGs did have pretty good acting. I'm hoping that Suikoden V will be one of them. Still would much rather have the Japanese seiyuu doing it instead, though.

And there's a code you can use to change the dialogue to Japanese in Ys. (for PS2)

[SuperHiko]

Diplomatic my ***.

Jap-os do not act(show feelings thorugh words) better then Americans.

you, Akito (my little love dumpling) are just a Jap-o purist.

To say that they are better voice actors, when yopu CAN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THEM, or how they shift from different emotions to others is silly.

You might LIKE how they do it more, cause it has that uncontrolled unkown variable. So when you read it, yer brain accepts the emotion they are trying to depict as the correct one.

.......

Reading through this again, I am just drunk babbling, but it makes sense..

>_>

I think.

Also, this game sold more copies then Disgaea 2, or something......which is good...I guess.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Wait... didn't they just recently release TWO Suikoden games?

[SuperHiko]

for the psp........

in japan.........

dirty ****s.....

*shakes fist*

[Akito]

But some RPGs did have pretty good acting. I'm hoping that Suikoden V will be one of them. Still would much rather have the Japanese seiyuu doing it instead, though.

And there's a code you can use to change the dialogue to Japanese in Ys. (for PS2)
Yeah, but I shouldn't have to use a code to switch the dialogue, just like I shouldn't have to use a code to view the anime intro instead of that really ugly CG intro. Oh well.

But I agree, some RPGs have decent voice acting. Digital Devil Saga had nice voice work, but at the same time, I really like the Japanese voices better. Nippon Ichi is nice enough to put the Japanese voice track in their games, so why can't everyone else do it?
you, Akito (my little love dumpling) are just a Jap-o purist.
Sorry, but it's not my fault that they're better at everything. They have better video games, better cars, better cartoons, better comics, better voice actors, and probably lots of other things. The only thing that sucks is their live action film industry.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

The only thing that sucks is their live action film industry.

If you ask me, that's the best thing they've got right now.

On topic, I'm havin problems gettin excited for this game, because frankly the whole franchise was lost on me, I can't really get into RPGs anymore.

[Texcap]

Anyone have the link to the extended Suikoden V trailer?

If so, thanks.

I have to admit that I'm a late-comer to the Suikdoen series, and have purchased both III and IV since learning more about the franchise, but so far I haven't really been impressed with either one of them overall (that said, they each have their moments, and characters) and to the point that I've only played them -- combined -- for maybe 15 hours or so. Granted, that may just be me, but it seems that it's a fairly consistent opinion I'm hearing that these two games just don't come close to approaching the stature of Suikoden I and II (which unless they release again, I'll probably never get the chance to play given the prices they go for).

I'm hoping that Suikoden V is another story in that from everything I'm reading they hope to get back to the feel of the first installments. And while I know little-to-nothing about those games in particular, I love a good RPG and I see potential in what little of the Suikoden stuff I have played (which seems to be born out in all the praise that the first two games get). At this point I'll simply have to "wait and see" what the general consensus is after it's released, but I like the looks of it, and what I'm hearing about it.

I'll keep reading up on it...

[Haruhi]

Reading through this again, I am just drunk babbling, but it makes sense..

>_>

I think.



It doesn't.

[Westlo]

Sorry, but it's not my fault that they're better at everything. They have better video games, better cars, better cartoons, better comics, better voice actors, and probably lots of other things. The only thing that sucks is their live action film industry.

Why is the PS3 using a Nvidia chip?

Anyway I can't wait for Suikoden 5, espeically since it looks like making up for #4.

[SuperHiko]

I personally have no problem with part 3, the director and the creator of the series did leave during the later part of the game, but it still feels very much like the series.....onlyit was the first game in a 3D environment, so I guess people tend to ***** about the graphics.

Now, 1 and 2 are superb, 2 being better then 1 in all aspects, and the story is done perfect with a great cast of supporting characters.

Now in every Suikoden (and especially 4 ....) there are way too many characters to really flesh out, thankfully 2 and 3 had some sort of detective service and you could find out the small tid bits of ino that you normally wouldn't know. (basically in part 2, you investigate George and you learn about the top layer of the events that will be discussed in part 5.)

Now, as for that review, SARS is the person who will be blunt about the series. If he says he is enjoying it, and that it feels like Suikoden, then I am extremely happy.

Still, what is it..... five years before Suikoden one I believe.

Now, as for returning characters.......

Killey, Lorelai, Viki and George are confirmed.

Futch is too young, he would only be three at this point, Luc, Luca, Windy, Barbarossa, Sierra, Nash *crosses fingers*, Han, Genkatsu, Morgan, Yuber, Pesmerga, The SDS, Neclord, Victor, Maithu.....

er, well........my mind is full of people that could show up in this game, and given the right story arc(we don't know MUCH about what people did before the first game) we could see just about anyone make a cameo in this game.....

four weeks away....

I have the game pre-ordered, and I get an art book with it!

I am sooo happy!!!!!!

*dances*

[Hisoka]

I've constantly been thinking about it. This is going to be a long 4 weeks. :wacko:

[MightyDustLoop]

I can't imagine this hitting so soon after the Japanese release. I'd be a bit skeptical if I were you guys. Luckily, there's quite a few good games, especially RPGs, on the near horizon, so it'll be a satisfying next couple of months for RPG fans regardless.

I'm still admittedly skeptical about 5 and whether it's actually as good as the old or not. I remember the first import review I read on 4 so it had deviated from 3 and was closer to the original. Then we all played 4 and 3 seemed godly in comparison.

I'll give it a shot either way. Hope it pays off.

[SuperHiko]

three weeks!

[Bishoujo Senshi]

I'm all preordered and ready to pick up my copy. Unfortunately I didn't get the good price that some did, but I'm not gonna split any hairs over $10, so long as I get my artbook:D

[SuperHiko]

You people need to keep this thread on page one!

This will be the biggest game of the year!

SUIKODEN BIZNATCHES!!!!!!!

*poses*

[Hyura-san]

I wasn't expecting it to come out that soon. But I'm very excited about the release of the fifth game!

I have them all so far (not counting the Gaidens), and I love them all. III wasn't quite as good as all the others, but I still adored it. Especially since they brought so many interesting characters in, and even let me fight with my favorite character (Sasarai) for a change.

[Zeta26]

Well, the coolest thing about this game is that you get to have a 6 man/woman battle ^_^. Which adds more depth to your strategy and more combo choices. You can see some of the videos in english on Youtube.

[Hisoka]

Why does it suddenly say the release date is March 21st on both EB Games and Game Stop??? *tries not to jump to conclusions* That would be amazing.

Edit - Seems to be official. :)

[Ariel Tsuki]

*Phew* I'm glad that V will be close to the first three than that millennia time jump like IV did. The whole thing that sets Suikoden from other RPG franchise like Final Fantasy and the Tales series is that it has a continuity between games, until IV decided to botch that up.

III was excellent in Geddoe's POV, okay in Chris' POV, but sucked turd in Hugo's POV, making it an average game and I was sorely pissed that for transfering all my Suikoden II data to III, all I get is a stupid play. I wanted to play with the second hero and Jowy, dammit!

I haven't played Suikoden I sadly, but it's release on the PSP is tempting me to convince my friends to buy it so I can play it. LOL...

But Suikoden II pwned every RPG I ever played, even Final Fantasy VII. Still my favorite game of all time. So you can imagine my disappointment with IV.

Ooh, Suikoden V better be good, I telling ya. I'll wait for the reaction of this game before I buy it, one thing I really hate is to play subpar RPGs.

Hopefully Suikoden VI (if it will be one) will take place somewhere after III, I want to know what happens next and if I can get the heroes of III to least be playable in the end like Suikoden II did with the S1 hero.

And I know this is off topic and all, but did anyone wonder about how Meg, that girl who had that barrel robot from Suikoden II had a daughter in Suikoden III (which had a n updated version of the barrel robot). I mean that chick must've got knocked up right after the series since the daughter looked around 10 or so and it has between a little over a decade between II and III. And Meg was 15, I think. Just wondering, y'know....

[SuperHiko]

Mmmm

I don't think too much on Jupo's family tree, but Suiko 3 took place 15 years after part 2, so that's a decent amount of time for someone to have a kid and what not.

Suiko 5............4 days away........

It's so close, and I have done my best to stay as far away from spoilers as possible.

I have the game pre-ordered with the art book and strat guide to boot, plus I hope to get a poster from EB...........yes I will beg if need be.

YAY!

The wait is almost over!

[SuperHiko]

one more day!!!!!!!

[Haruhi]

one more day!!!!!!!

2 days, if you including shipping date. But sometimes you're lucky enough to get the game the same day.

I'm getting this with the strat guide at the same time.

[SuperHiko]

and the art book I hope.

and yes this shipping date thing is very annoying, but I hope to be lucky enough to get it tomorrow.

[Haruhi]

I got the artbook (which is bundled w/the CD). It's nothing great, but still nice. Got it for free, so I cna still reserve at EB w/their warranty system.

[SuperHiko]

With this strat guide I will have all but one for Suiko 3 (since apparently they didn't release an american one.)

ah well.........the time is upon us. I need only to close my eyes and Konami's greatest creation wil be in my grasp yet again.

[Haruhi]

Well, I'm about 3 hours into it and I'm already enjoying it much more than 3 and 4 (on PS2). Great characters, great music, classic battle system, and intriguing story off the bat makes this one look promising. In a way, it reminds me of Suikoden 1, in that you're a noble and you're part of an empire that is unjust and cruel. Good start, IMO. I also love the top-down view that it has going for it. A nice return to basics.

My only gripes are : No dual audio support. I was REALLY hoping to hear Jpn seiyuu doing the job. However, the dubbing is very nice and clear, so it's not too bad in the long run. My other problem is that it takes quite a while to load a battle and end one. Buut.. this is a very big game, so again, I'm willing to overlook it.


Finally Lyon is SO cute. Her and the prince would make a really great pair. Ahem. ANyway.. back to the game!

[SuperHiko]

.....agreed, although I don't personally like VA, this one is done rather well.......

also, my gripe so far is......

They really need to return to how Suikoden three did it's opening.....anime style.

It is far better, and prettier, and it isn;t just screens of events that will show up in the game later.....ah well.

The game is very good so far.

[Hisoka]

I'm about three hours in as well. It's very impressed so far. I'm not a dub fan, but these voices don't annoy me much. Great music, characters and plot. I can't wait to play it all day tomorrow. :)

[Bishoujo Senshi]

I didn't get my art book. I'm rather annoyed at that, so I emailed EB Games. The store never got any, and I want me one!

[Haruhi]

You're not missing much, BS. There's hardly enough artbook in it to even qualify it as an artbook.

[Bishoujo Senshi]

Well, if I don't get it, I suppose I won't cry about it, but it's more the principle of it. If I'm promised something, I sure as heck want it, even if I didn't have to pay for it:)

[Akito]

Bought it today and already have over six hours in it. Seriously, I'm hooked. It's like a big throwback to the first two Suikoden games, which is most certainly pleasing. No confusing camera, no Super Mario World style overworld, the old six-person battle system is back, it's just great. While I haven't engaged in any yet, the preview video indicates that they brought back the large scale war battles. This pleases me greatly.

[Seraphim]

OMG I am loving this game. I honestly wasnt keeping up with Suikoden 5 at all, and was completely surprised when I saw it at GameStop today. I have to say that even though I am only a few hours in I think the Suikoden series has finally returned to its former glory! "Sorry if thats to dramatic" :P

[Hisoka]

"Sorry if thats to dramatic" :P

It's understandable. I can't even express how glad I am that Suikoden V is fantastic and has gotten to approval of all it's long time fans. If it were a repeat of IV I would of been very depressed.

Edit - BTW, a few hours in when they played that song from Suikoden 1 (Track 27 on disk 2 of OST collection) that was beyond godly.

[SuperHiko]

Zweig looks like Nash....

[SuperHiko]

Update!!!!!!!!

Man this game is bad ***~

I have played about 35 hrs or so, and the story seems no where near the end.

My castle keeps growing, the characters are wonderful, no one barely even fights the same!

I must say

to those who don't want potential spoilers don't read ahead.

**spoilers**





I think Dolph could very well be Mike from Suikoden 3

Killey, Lorelai, Georg, Jeane, and Viki are friggin sweeeeeeeet!

Morgan is mentioned, but that's as far as he goes in this game.

They haven't said it in the game, but I assume Ferid's dad was Egan.

Maximillian knights as well!!!!!!!






**end spoilers*


also, Richard is godly~

this game keeps making me happy!

[Haruhi]

Update!!!!!!!!

Man this game is bad ***~



Quoted for the ****'n truth.

(Note, I don't usually use such expressions, but given the magnitude of how much @SS this game kicks, nothing else could truly emcompasses how awesome this game is)

[Bishoujo Senshi]

I'm liking how it's actually a challenge to recruit again. In 4 and even in 3, the characters pretty much fell in your lap or joined without putting up too much of a fight. Here you actually have to think and ask them multiple times (some you have to ask many times due to messing up the easy way to recruit them). Heck, I've been playing since Thursday and I've logged in 57 hours in the game, and there's still a long way to go!

[Akito]

Quoted for the ****'n truth.

(Note, I don't usually use such expressions, but given the magnitude of how much @SS this game kicks, nothing else could truly emcompasses how awesome this game is)
Hell yeah. This game is a dream come true. This could quite possibly be PS2's best RPG.

[Haruhi]

I just got the castle myself. This thing is probably in its beginning stage, and it's already more awesome than Suikoden 3 and 4s castles combined. And it looks to surpass the already incredible Suikoden 1 and 2 castles, with time.

Thank you, Konami. Thank you. I'll overlook Suikoden 4 and Tactics now.

[Bishoujo Senshi]

I hereby officially rename Suikoden 5 as Suikoden 4. May we all forget that there ever was a failed attempt a couple years back at making a Suikoden.

[Hisoka]

The layout of the castle in V is not just beautiful but it's so easy to understand. I was able to fully understand all it's fuctions and whereabouts in less then 5 minutes. Now I agree with everything you guys have said. To me what's even more pleasing then V being an amazing game is the fact that Suikoden fans even those who were very sceptable are absolutely loving this game. I've been a fan of the series ever since Suikoden 1 hit the shelves many years ago. My love for these games are unexplainable and hearing IV get criticized (which it fully deserved) crushed me. Thank god Konami learned what is truly important.

[ryucross]

Yes, this game is a proper return to form for the series. There was better dialog in the first 10 minutes of V than in all of IV.

And I actually agree with Lilium about Lyon. She's cute, but not to the point of sickening sweetness that the Japanese tend to make their female characters.

[SuperHiko]

My team, not sure how near the end I am.........so don't read this if you don't know who joins or something.....

Hero - Dawn Rune is most unimpressive, but he is solid and has the best armor I can buy, takes hits like a pro. Magic Rune and Killer Rune equiped until I get another Double Edge.

Richard - GOD! No physicals can hit him, I equip the firefly rune and hope that he can get a head rune in soon for a Power rune for Maximum a$$ kicking.

Miakis - Insane damage dealer with Power and Double Edge runes equipped. Comes with the shiled rune, so she heals anyone that needs it. Thinking of taking that of and giving her another attack type rune......

Gerog Prime - Serious overhaul with this guy, the Killer Rune adss instant death and his stats are beyond godly. Equipped Double Edge Rune as well. Low Magic Defense brings him back to earth, but who cares...he Double Crits like no other. Needs a Power Rune for overkill..........

Killey - All around bad a$$. Rage, Magic and Power Rune. He is great at everything.

Zerase - Just because....the Star Rune is good for many things, and it's original. Magical Rune for extreme Magic damage.


There could be a better team, and there prolly is......All I know is that no boss battle has lasted past to rounds with this set up. I missed some people to recruit so I stopped trying to find everyone and am just advancing in the story. 48 hrs in, still doesn't look to be ending though.

[Hisoka]

Richard - GOD! No physicals can hit him, I equip the firefly rune and hope that he can get a head rune in soon for a Power rune for Maximum a$$ kicking.


Richard is the god of all gods. I was rather surprised by how good he was (before I looked at his stats) based on his brief story alone and profile pic.

[Akito]

Yes, Richard is definately a must-have character. He doesn't look very strong, but he sure is useful in battle.

[Bishoujo Senshi]

I don't care much for Richard. My party, whenever possible, is more magic based anyways. I tend to use the Tiger Formation with Zegai at point, Hero and Belcoot next, Lyon in the mid point, and Jeane and Zegase in the rear. Between Zegase using the Star Rune and Jeane hitting with the Rage Rune, all boss battles to date have concluded shortly after round 1. Zegai just shrugs off physical attacks like they were nothing, and with him being on the point enemies tend to target him, so I've only had a few rare KOed characters, usually when I tried going too long without healing after multiple magic attacks hit my back row.

[SuperHiko]

Also, wherever I am in the story; I have collected 74 stars...

[Akito]

I think I missed my oppertunity to recruit Jeane. Sadness and woe :(

[SuperHiko]

There is a guy just chillin in my Prison........

I haven't even SEEN him before.......

[Bishoujo Senshi]

Ummm, is it Raven? He gets put either there when your castle expands, or the storage room after you've caught him

[Bishoujo Senshi]

Oh yeah, I also wanted to add something about my party choice. All the other characters don't matter. That's right, I could have the beaver clan as my party as long as I have Zerase. Why? Her Star Rune, coupled with a Magic Absorb Rune means I can launch the Meteor Shower attack all day long since Magic Absorb recovers 1 MP with every successful physical attack. So I can launch one or two of those, and quite frankly nothing will survive two Meteor Showers, but supposing something did, it would be damaged badly, and just do a physical attack with her, bam, I can use it again. No need for resting. She's the most powerful character in the game if you ask me.

[Hisoka]

*Puts the Magic Absorb Rune on Zarase*

[Haruhi]

Am I the only person who thinks the strategy guide just... sucks? It leaves a lot to be desired. =\

[SuperHiko]

I don't have it yet, but I want it nonetheless...........

and yeah that on her or the prince (for infinite healing and damage) is quite nifty.

Miakis is so darn cute.......

[Bishoujo Senshi]

Never bought it, so couldn't tell ya. You were right about the art book though, rather thin on content when you compare it to what you got for 4.

Edit- 18 SoDs left to get! This has been pretty tough to find some of them. I've been tempted to use a guide off of GameFAQs, but figured I'd play it honest. Hence why my game is currently at over 80 hours:D

[Akito]

Am I the only person who thinks the strategy guide just... sucks? It leaves a lot to be desired. =\
I only looked at it breifly, but people on GameFAQs complained that it didn't have any maps, and the Stars of Destiny were listed alphabetically instead of in order of avaliablility (in other words, the list is absolutely useless). I may buy it for the artwork though.

[SuperHiko]

They usually list the stars in alphabetical order in the guides........

[Hisoka]

I haven't looked at a guide yet and probably won't since I'm already a good way in.

My team:

Hero V: - Very balanced. I also think it's great how many choices you can make with him. You somewhat forget that he's a mute.
Lyon - She's mandatory, but I like her anyway so I made her much better. She's hitting anywhere from 500-1,000
Zarase - Pretty awesome character and really takes care of business
Belcoot - This dude is an absolute beast
Kyle - Good guy to have around. The only character I switch around mainly for George when he's available.
Richard - Amazing. Quite possibly one of the best Suikoden characters (ability wise)

[Haruhi]

Not much in the ways of art either, Akito. Most of it is already in the manual. And for character art, you get a crappy polygon rendering.

Seriously, the recruitment section is so vague, and unorganized compared to like say... Prima's Suikoden 2 guide. It;s a joke.

[SuperHiko]

Game beaten!!!!!!!!!!!

Best rpg of the year, by far~

One of the better suikoden games in the series, not quite sure where I would place it yet.... I need to play through it again and get everything....

It appears I got the bad ending, and I am to assume there is a better ending at least, once I get all 108 stars.

Killey was my all around MVP for this game, offense and Defense he just dealt insane damage.

Lord, I love this game so much, time to start a new game and get EVERYTHING!

*dances*

[Bishoujo Senshi]

You didn't get a bad ending, just a normal one. There some something like 7 bad endings, 2 normal, and 2 good I think. That's what I heard tossed around on another board at any rate. The bad endings occur prior to the actual ending, so if you beat the game, I don't think you could have gotten one.

[SuperHiko]

Of course it was a bad ending......

I didn't get all the stars.

If and ONLY then would I consider it a good ending.

[Haruhi]

Craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap. I missed Sagiri and Nakura. There goes my perfect ending. Well, no big deal I guess. It's expected that I don't get everything my first time through... especially considering how much the strat guide sucks w/their recruitment details.

[Bishoujo Senshi]

Well well, after roughly 100 hours spent, I have recruited all 108 Stars of Destiny. I look forward to seeing what the good ending is like.... in another 10 hours or so probably.

[Akito]

Not much in the ways of art either, Akito. Most of it is already in the manual. And for character art, you get a crappy polygon rendering.

Seriously, the recruitment section is so vague, and unorganized compared to like say... Prima's Suikoden 2 guide. It;s a joke.
Well that really sucks. I wish Double Jump would do the Suikoden guides. After seeing the godlike guides for Phantom Brave and Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne, I'm convinced that they're definately up to the task.

[SuperHiko]

I just made Oboro investigate himself....

LOLORZ~

edit: but I am glad they made recruiting hard again, that's half the fu of the game.

the other half is investigating people!!!!!!!!!

[Hisoka]

Getting Eresh was a major pain mainly because the place seemed never ending. I think I'm doing very well collecting the SoD so far. Not sure if I missed anyone I still can't get. I love that it's a challenge to recruit people again. That was a big part of it's appeal and making Oboro investigate himself sounds like fun. :)

[SuperHiko]

Subalu's fishing game is FUN!

[Bishoujo Senshi]

Yeah, I like Subalu's fishing game, it's the best mini game for earning potch. The Blind Man's Bluff game has the potential for the highest reward, but I find Jeane to be unbeatable in the long run.

Also, yeah, recruiting was very hard again, which I liked, and since I finally got all 108, I went back and looked at a guide and it seems that it's quite easy to miss some for good. Glad I spent countless hours running around to each and every town and fully exploring everything whenever the story progressed:)

[Hisoka]

Anyone else have a hard time catching Lasido (last Doremi). I've probably used the Doremi rune on it 20 times on two different encounters and he just doesn't seem to want to budge. Are they all considered SoD? If not I might just skip it.

[Haruhi]

How do you catch that biiiig fish in the mini-game? The one that's like a giant serpent? I saw it swimming beneath my boat..

[Bishoujo Senshi]

Anyone else have a hard time catching Lasido (last Doremi). I've probably used the Doremi rune on it 20 times on two different encounters and he just doesn't seem to want to budge. Are they all considered SoD? If not I might just skip it.

The Doremi elves are not SoDs. None of them. I never bothered with that subquest this time through. I might still try it, I dunno. I'm only as far as going through Stormfist anyways, so I have no idea how long I have left.

[Hisoka]

The Doremi elves are not SoDs. None of them. I never bothered with that subquest this time through. I might still try it, I dunno. I'm only as far as going through Stormfist anyways, so I have no idea how long I have left.

Okay good. I just found him and again and it was still being difficult. All the others were captured in a single turn. I wonder why this one is so different... I'm moving on before I start getting further annoyed at this. :P

[SuperHiko]

Raven with the Saint's Garb and all out Magic Defense gear is GODLY!

[Bishoujo Senshi]

I'd have to still put my money on Zerase with a Corruption Shell, Magic Rune, and Magic Absorb Rune. 2000 damage is tough to turn down, not to mention her naturally high speed. Richard is pretty damn good too with a Killer rune. And let's not discount Georg. His attack is off the chart. Give him a Fury and Killer rune, and you got an unstoppable force.

[Hisoka]

Just beat the game a few hours ago. This game really had it all. I've always had a hard time figuring out which I liked more out of Suikoden or Suikoden II. Now I know II had everything the original did just so much more, but I just have I have a special thing with the first game. I'm a huge fan of III as well. IV... I won't get into that. Now V has returned to the goodness we all fell in love with. I'd rank it right up there with the first two. There were even times where I felt like I was playing the older games because the feel was so dead on and the bringing back some of the old songs was such a great touch.

Suikoden V was amazing!

The last part got on my nerves. I won't go into details for those who haven't finished, but the lack of save points and mini bosses wasn't cool. It's wasn't so much hard, just time consuming having to get everything together.

My main rotation was:
Hero V
Richard
Zarase
Kyle
Belcoot
Georg
Miakis
Killey

So that wasn't exactly enough to make the end a breeze. For some reason I used the dual or double arms formation most of the way. It didn't really do much for the party or anything. I just felt most comfortable in that formation. Weird...

I also NEVER had money problems. :)

[SuperHiko]

I always have money problems, cause I train all my characters and that's a HUGE money sink .

[Hisoka]

^ True enough. I didn't spend too much time making everyone amazing just yet. Just the necessary amount. That's what new game + is for. Money being shifted over is good stuff for sure.

I also think my normal team was the most unstoppable force I've ever used in any Suikoden game. I barely even need to heal up. Another thing I noticed was that I actually wanted to be most people in this game. Everyone was very cool looking and had great abilities.

[SuperHiko]

Yeah

As usual, they made the Tensoku a bad a$$!

the enemy you fight in this game, never really seemed to have an advantage over you in raw power like the other games though. The Princes army was bad *** from beginning to end~

[Bishoujo Senshi]

Wow, what a game. Finally finished with all 108, thus ensuring the best ending. I have a feeling I'd have been deeply saddened had I not gotten all 108, so thank goodness I did. Only took me 120+ hours too!

[SuperHiko]

http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/launchreview.asp?reviewid=677837

What a joke of a review.....

[Bishoujo Senshi]

Apparently people reading the review have decided that the reviewer is an idiot as well. For a game he rips at every chance, it's getting a 9.3. He's an obvious graphics ***** who thinks pretty graphics makes for a good game. This game > him.

[Hisoka]

Dumb review.

Bishoujo Senshi, which ending did you pick? I too got all 108 stars and picked the first choice. It was pretty cool. I wish I could go back to watch the other one without having to do all the boss battles again. Guess I'll pick the second choice next time.

[Bishoujo Senshi]

I picked both. I had saved right after forming my three parties, so it wasn't tough to just reload that save and do those boss battles again. The second choice was a better one IMO, because it had a more satisfying ending between the hero and Lyon.

[SuperHiko]

Suiko 5 artwork! (http://s45.photobucket.com/albums/f90/HolyPaladin333/Suikoden%20V%20Character%20Artwork/)

[Kojiro]

I have all 108 character as well when I beat it.

what do you mean "pick"? I dont get what u guys are saying.

[SuperHiko]

My team in the second playthrough......

Raven ---- owns Richard
Cathari --- Tensoku Star (personal fav Star)
Hero ----- Doesn't have a Trune Rune, but is good regardless.
Miakis ---- Owns other girls
Killey ----- Fire Ring hype
Viki ------ seven times better then Zerase

I know Raven could be substituted for a stronger person, but I am going for looks and he looks awesome. Everyone else is in the top tier of thier categories.

[neiru_3]

Wow, I so want to play this game..I have it, but I am so busy and I need to complete other games. Reading these posts hearing everyone having so much fun...aarrgh!

[Zeta26]

Here's also more :).

- 6 man/woman party
- improved one-on-one duel (with each action that you're trying to make, is now timed)

[SuperHiko]

wow, thanks, I didn't know that!

[Hisoka]

wow, thanks, I didn't know that!

You didn't? ;)

Anyway, I've been testing out Raven and he's damn great just like you said.

[Zeta26]

Also, as compared to the ship battle. This time around, it's more or less played out like Advance Wars (on the GBA), like you have to command several troops into battle. Doing attacks etc...

[Haruhi]

Why is this game so damn awesome? ;_;

[SuperHiko]

Cause they killed whoever made part 4 and used his body as an offering to the Suiko gods~

[Haruhi]

You know, as much as I hated Suikoden 4, it WAS kinda nice hearing the battle theme during the Island nation part of the game.

[Hisoka]

You know, as much as I hated Suikoden 4, it WAS kinda nice hearing the battle theme during the Island nation part of the game.

In an odd way I agree. It was nice hearing it again even though it should of brought back the lack luster effort of IV memories but it didn't. I suppose the music in IV was pretty good just not great when compared to the other soundtracks.

[Gasaraki]

I've only played Suikoden 2 and like 5 minutes worth of sui3. I LOVED sui2 though, is this game a must buy?

[Haruhi]

I've only played Suikoden 2 and like 5 minutes worth of sui3. I LOVED sui2 though, is this game a must buy?

Yes.

I'm torn between deciding which is better, this or Suikoden 2.

[Gasaraki]

Wow, that'a pretty solid compliment, guess I'll have to get it eventually.

[Haruhi]

Haha, I have 5 copies of the game! Only 1 of them is open, and that's the one I'm playing. The rest are back ups, and just something I like to have.. I'm possesive. =p

[Hisoka]

Haha, I have 5 copies of the game! Only 1 of them is open, and that's the one I'm playing. The rest are back ups, and just something I like to have.. I'm possesive. =p

:O That's intense... But Lilium isn't crazy. Suikoden V is the best game I've played since Suikoden II and I rank it right up there with it. I have no idea which is my favorite anymore which means I no longer know what my favorite video game is. It's all tied up till further notice. It's amazing just being about to realistically say that.

Suikoden is back!

[Seraphim]

I was reading some mag reviews on Suikoden V today and I was quite suprised to see the generally low scores. One even stated that Suikoden V's resemblence to the first two games in the series was a bad thing! Now I know I am not the only one that loves the fact that Konami went back to the series old school roots right? Personally I think thats the way Suikoden should have been in the last two sequels "Though I liked 3 more than most fans of the series did". But to say that the game is mediocre just because it goes back to what made it so fantastic to begin with is just ignorant in my opinion.

[SuperHiko]

wait.......

Lilium...you have more then one copy of Suikoden 2?

>_>

<_<

Lets talk...

[Haruhi]

I have 2 copies of Suikoden 2.

[Akito]

Yes.

I'm torn between deciding which is better, this or Suikoden 2.
Suikoden 2 has Luca Blight, so I think that makes it better than 5 by default. But if it weren't for that factor, the choice would be much harder.

Gah! Why the f*ck do I have to go to work? I wanna play some more. :(

[Mooserocka]

i think suikoden 5 was rushed its probobly not goin to be good since it was rushed

[SuperHiko]

Well, you know I used to think it was a great game, but the last post just opened up my eyes to how much suck this game contains!

[Hisoka]

i think suikoden 5 was rushed its probobly not goin to be good since it was rushed

Post of the year. :rolleyes:

[Haruhi]

i think suikoden 5 was rushed its probobly not goin to be good since it was rushed

It wasn't rushed. Play the game before you spew your ignorance about something you know jack crap about.

[Ariel Tsuki]

>u< I just got this game last Saturday... OAO It's better than S3 already and I'm only like five hours of the game. Sad, isn't it?

Is it me for do the fifth hero look like a zombie most of the time? He cracks me up.

But I wish the opening instrumental was better... it's too bright and happy and gives no thrill....

[Simmaria]

this thread makes me want to start playing the first three suikoden games that i own and have never touched. every time i go to pick up the case, the eric estrada mage stares into my soul and scares me away.

[neiru_3]

I wouldn't let the bad cover scare me away from playing such a good game like suikoden. Don't worry you won't see eric estrada in the game..it's just eye candy for the cover.

[Akito]

this thread makes me want to start playing the first three suikoden games that i own and have never touched. every time i go to pick up the case, the eric estrada mage stares into my soul and scares me away.
What are you waiting for? Start playing them right now. The first Suikoden may feel a little slow, but Suikoden II is one of the best RPGs ever made, and the experience is even better if you've played the original Suikoden.

[_jwb388_]

Are any characters missable after certain story events? My first suiko game and I want to make sure I get all 108 stars.

[Akito]

Are any characters missable after certain story events? My first suiko game and I want to make sure I get all 108 stars.
Yeah, some characters can be missed permenantly, and some can even die permenantly during war battles. I ended up missing the detective, as well as the characters that join with him, and the characters who won't join you unless you already have him recruited. Your best bet is to get the player's guide. It lists all the characters who can die during war battles (so you'll know not to use them), and if you follow the walkthrough, it tells you how and when to get everybody.

[_jwb388_]

Yeah I was looking at the guide and amazon has it pretty dang cheap. I hope it isn't a mess like the radiata stories guide.

[Akito]

It certainly could have been better, but it's still pretty helpful and easy to follow.

[Hisoka]

this thread makes me want to start playing the first three suikoden games that i own and have never touched. every time i go to pick up the case, the eric estrada mage stares into my soul and scares me away.

You know that some people would consider that a crime? I'm one of those people. :P Seriously though, you should really start playing them ASAP. You have been missing out on years of great fun. I picked up the first game on a whim when it first came out here. The cover... is very misleading to say the least. Little did I know that this game with the odd cover would become my favorite game series. Actually... would would of guessed another game would of be made? That was a huge shocker.

[Bishoujo Senshi]

Yeah I was looking at the guide and amazon has it pretty dang cheap. I hope it isn't a mess like the radiata stories guide.
Why waste money on the guide when you can find a character recruitment guide for free on GameFAQs?

[_jwb388_]

Why waste money on the guide when you can find a character recruitment guide for free on GameFAQs?

I'm a picture guy and plus I like to look at guides when I'm in the car, couch, and when the power goes out. I used to buy a guide for every game I get but now I only get them for the epic rpgs.

[Haruhi]

Why waste money on the guide when you can find a character recruitment guide for free on GameFAQs?

A better recruitment guide at that.

The guide isn't totally without it's uses though. It does show the best team set ups for your major battles.

But it's still nothing compared to Prima's Suikoden 2 guide.

I really wish Prima, Versus (if they're around anymore) or Double Jump did this games guide.

[_jwb388_]

I have this certain hate for Prima because of its lack of detail in some guides.

Versus used to be one of my favs but now it's no more.(I think)

I don't really like DJs small sized guides but they are full of alot of info.

[Haruhi]

Prima is still better than Brady Games. The only good Brady Game guides are Star Ocean Till the End of Time and their Street Fighter Anniversary collection (which had reputable people making it themselves)

[Akito]

I actually like Double Jump's smaller-sized guides. And I must say, the Phantom Brave and Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne guides are the two most useful guides I have ever seen.

[_jwb388_]

I actually like Double Jump's smaller-sized guides. And I must say, the Phantom Brave and Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne guides are the two most useful guides I have ever seen.

I just find them hard to open and I hate having to turn it around just to keep it from closing.

What's wrong with brady games?

[Ariel Tsuki]

OAO I still got my S2 Prima Guide.... although it's about to break in half from overusage and it's like OLD (I got when I got S2).... boy, talking about it makes me want to play S2 again.....

My sister is like ten or so hours in the game and it's definately better than S3 IMO. It's been a while that I game shocked us with a twist. A long while....

[SuperHiko]

I have all the Suikoden guides...

luckily I am the only one to ever use them so even the guide for 1 is in good condition and isn't falling apart.

also, I was always a fan of Versus guides...

they seemed to put that extra "omph" for each strat guide ya know?

and yes, Versus is done.....sadly.

[_jwb388_]

I have all the Suikoden guides...

they seemed to put that extra "omph" for each strat guide ya know?

and yes, Versus is done.....sadly.

Free posters, the pages weren't weak(like some guides) and the heading looked cool.

A moment of silence for it. ...

[SuperHiko]

The Suiko craze has passed?

:(

[Akito]

Yeah, we all finished the game and are now playing Mother 3. Well, at least I am.

[Haruhi]

The Suiko craze has passed?

:(

no, I'm still playing. I just recently beat it, too. Too me a good 70 hours to get it fnished. Now I'm going back to actually get all characters.

[Robobandit]

I finished it a few days ago.. not ready to move on to a new rpg yet.. still attached to the characters.

One of my favorite rpgs of all time, except for the annoyingly high random encounter rate in some places.

[SuperHiko]

Lyon is the first sidekick that I actually didn't mind.

Maybe, cause she was actually GOOD in fights...

unlike Nanami and Gremio.....

*vomits*

Plus, her character is real cute.

:)

[SuperHiko]

Nifty Suikoden RP site that I found.

Suikoden RP (http://s10.invisionfree.com/Castle_North_Wind/index.php?act=idx)

Join if you have creative juices flowing in yer mind. The story takes place during the time of Suikoden 2.

:)

[Ikari Warrior]

I just got this game yesterday. I made a bit of a boo-boo in not playing any of the other Suikoden games before this one, so the battle and skill systems are a little over my head. However, I like what I've experienced (the first 45 mins). My only issue are the ridiculous amounts of loading screens. I'm surprised and a little disappointed to see a loading screen this late in the ps2 lifecycle. It's not so much that it ruins the game for me, but the loading screens are a bit much.

[Haruhi]

Nifty Suikoden RP site that I found.

Suikoden RP (http://s10.invisionfree.com/Castle_North_Wind/index.php?act=idx)

Join if you have creative juices flowing in yer mind. The story takes place during the time of Suikoden 2.

:)

Does that mean Lyon can't be in there?

[SuperHiko]

Lyon can be in there!

She would be.....uhm...11 or 13 years older.

*spoilers**






she doesn't have to die, that is just one of the bad endings... :(






*end spoilers*

[Akito]

Lyon can be in there!
She would be.....uhm...11 or 13 years older.

WTF? If it takes place during Suikoden 2's time, why would Lyon be younger?

[Haruhi]

Lyon can be in there!

She would be.....uhm...11 or 13 years older.

*spoilers**






she doesn't have to die, that is just one of the bad endings... :(






*end spoilers*

Ah... I see. I figured as much.

What I'm wondering is if the Twilight Rune (which Lyon has now) grants the user eternal youth, like True Runes usually do.

[SuperHiko]

WTF? If it takes place during Suikoden 2's time, why would Lyon be younger?

I said older....

Older implies that she would be the opposite of younger....

I hate you.

~

Also, regarding the Twilight, Dawn and Star rune......

I don't think they are True Runes....

The Sun Rune was a True Rune.

These aren't even halves of True Runes like the shield and sword runes from Suiko 2.

but, Konami hasn't come out and said anything regarding them, so we really don't know....

I am leaning towards they don't grant immortality.

[MightyDustLoop]

I finished it a few days ago.. not ready to move on to a new rpg yet.. still attached to the characters.

One of my favorite rpgs of all time, except for the annoyingly high random encounter rate in some places.

Two words man, Champion Orb. Except for the part in this game where you need those skill points. Damn.

[Robobandit]

Two words man, Champion Orb. Except for the part in this game where you need those skill points. Damn.

hehe that only works on monsters that are "release", right? I was encountering a lot of monsters that I was forced to fight.

[ryucross]

Ah... I see. I figured as much.

What I'm wondering is if the Twilight Rune (which Lyon has now) grants the user eternal youth, like True Runes usually do.
I'd imagine it does give eternal youth (Dawn/Twilight are to Sun as the Star is to Night), and Zerase is old. However don't Lyon/Prince give up the runes in the ending where they go travel with Georg, making the question irrelevant?

[Robobandit]

I'd imagine it does give eternal youth (Dawn/Twilight are to Sun as the Star is to Night), and Zerase is old. However (edited out original spoiler, as it is visible in quotes)
I'm pretty sure they give them up in the Lym ending, also. They showed the sealed room with all three runes on the busts, I'm pretty sure.

[SuperHiko]

They never say they are True Runes, and until they do I discount that they grant any sort of benefits that a TR user gets.

[Akito]

I said older....

Older implies that she would be the opposite of younger....

I hate you.

Oh, nevermind then. I thought you said she'd be 11 or 13 years old. Your fault for confusing me.

[MightyDustLoop]

I just got this game yesterday. I made a bit of a boo-boo in not playing any of the other Suikoden games before this one, so the battle and skill systems are a little over my head. However, I like what I've experienced (the first 45 mins). My only issue are the ridiculous amounts of loading screens. I'm surprised and a little disappointed to see a loading screen this late in the ps2 lifecycle. It's not so much that it ruins the game for me, but the loading screens are a bit much.

Nothing wrong with you. I totally agree myself. The graphics really aren't that much better than Suikoden 3 (which was like 4 years ago). In some manners you can debate they're worse.

This series is still one of those series you have to have a lot of patience to get into. In this one, the towns were needlessly large, and you did not run very fast (until the Godspeed rune, which instantly made Cathari my favorite). Not to mention that Skill System is new, and it actually provides incentive for keeping people in your party. I HATED having to have 3 parties aka 18 good characters for parts in the last games, but in this one, I actually had it easy. But now with that Skill system, I was totally torn over whether to keep 6 in, or to play around with the other dozen I liked and stunt the skills growth (since there's no way I'm playing through any RPG twice). Thank goodness for the reserve option because they frequently made you cart people who sucked in battle around.

The good part about Suikoden? The only rpg series where I usually find the patience to pay off. Xenosaga, never paid off for me. Shadow Hearts: Covenant, wasn't enjoying that one either, stuck with it because everyone else sounded like they did, never paid off for me (guess I had to be into that one from the beginning).

But Suikoden, with it's insane load times, it's recruiting system that no person without a FAQ would probably ever be able to complete, it's crappy load times, and graphics that make Final Fantasy look like it jacked Suikoden's lunch money? Yeah, it pisses me off. But the writing is just too good. I always have to see what happens, and what other countries, runes, and family trees are woven into each one. It's a very encompassing gaming series.

[Robobandit]

If it wasn't for the nostalgia generated for me by the sprite loading screens, I'd have gone insane. For me to love a game as much as I did this one, even after being annoyed by loading and frequent random battles, it says something about the quality of the game itself, I think.

I don't get the complaints about the graphics.. 3d Suikoden games have never looked good, and this one had the lowest budget of any of them, if I recall correctly. At least the animation was a hell of a lot better than Suikoden III, those stiff animations nearly drove me nuts while running over the map.

My favorite part of this game was its story and its characters, though. I managed to get quite attached to almost all of them

[Haruhi]

Thread bump because this pic is SO FREAKING AWESOME.

http://s156130004.onlinehome.us/suikoden5.jpg

[Akito]

That's it. I want a Suikoden V artbook.

[Haruhi]

Am I the only person who thought Zerase seriously had it going on?

[SuperHiko]

I liked Viki more. ^^;

but Zerase's story was something of a mystery, she was fairly interesting character wise.

[Hisoka]

Am I the only person who thought Zerase seriously had it going on?

You're not the only one. Thanks for sharing such a great pic. :)

[Haruhi]

I liked Viki more. ^^;

but Zerase's story was something of a mystery, she was fairly interesting character wise.

Viki is a non-factor. She curbstomps all girls by default, so she isn't allowed to be compared with.

[MightyDustLoop]

Viki is a non-factor. She curbstomps all girls by default, so she isn't allowed to be compared with.

Agreed. Viki and Jeane are on a whole nother level. They even have totally opposite appeals. With one or the other you can't go wrong.

Though I must say Lorelai is my personal favorite. Something about a girl with a whip...

[SuperHiko]

The men of Falena sure are lucky. >_>

[Haruhi]

The men of Falena sure are lucky. >_>

Well, ATM, only the Hero is. He has ultra hot Lyon. And I guess... the princess has Miakis.

[Gasaraki]

This game is stupidly easy. If it wasn't for that I'd like the game alot more. At least it has a ton of cute girls in it(Hazuki, Cathari, Sagiri, etc.)

Edit: Lilium, yes, Zerase was also awesome. And Lyon.

[neiru_3]

I've finally completed Suikoden Tactics and I can finally start V. Am excited.

[Gasaraki]

Oh yeah, was anyone else surprised at the pronounciation of Georg's name in Suikoden 5? I was positive that it had to be "gay org", as in the Austrian(I think) way to say it. Georg Prime sounds much smoother than Georg(e) Prime.

[SuperHiko]

I was just glad Georg got a super boost from his sub par Suikoden 2 form.

[Dalmain]

Yes, the game was easy, but highly enjoyable. Alot of good characters that I hope we will see again.

[MightyDustLoop]

I think the game was actually quite a bit harder than the run of the mill RPGs nowadays. Just easy to abuse if you're aware of the cheapo runes and the cheapo characters. Stick in an average group with average runes and I can even imagine it being hard as all hell.

[SuperHiko]

Characters were Gods in this game. You had to play with crappy characters just to have a challenge.

[Akito]

I can't understand why people complain about it being too easy. It was certainly harder than either of the PS1 Suikoden games.

[MightyDustLoop]

I can't understand why people complain about it being too easy. It was certainly harder than either of the PS1 Suikoden games.

It was harder than a lot of games IMHO. But if you're using a FAQ, it's pretty much as simple as following directions. For the record, if there's one type of gamer I hate more than even the fanboys, it's a gamer who complains a game is too easy while sitting there with a strategy guide or faq in his or her hands.

That doesn't mean that it's not true, but those gamers have no right to speak of challenge when they're uhhh.....doing a pretty damn good job ruining the challenge themselves.

[SuperHiko]

Akito yer an assclown. Suikoden 5 was easy as cheese. Characters were super powered, George, Belcoot, Raven, Zerase, Viki, Lyon, Miakis, Cathari....

the list goes on...you had a ton of people to choose from that mangled any monsters.

[Len]

I'm one of the people who thought the entire game was based on getting characters and had absolutely no storyline. The game was way too easy and the battle style was bland, much like the other Suikodens. The only one I liked was Suikoden 2 and it looks like it will stay that way as long as the game continues to develope like this.

YAY I HAVE ALL THE CHARACTERS. so? I only use a select few of them and most of the characters are ugly people who would more likely fit as generic townspeople avatars. The double team system was stupid as **** and the rune/equipment system was boring. I give Suikoden 5 a 1/10, if any at all. I hated it. The only fun part about the game was the mini-games.. thats why it gets a 1.

[MightyDustLoop]

I'm one of the people who thought the entire game was based on getting characters and had absolutely no storyline. The game was way too easy and the battle style was bland, much like the other Suikodens. The only one I liked was Suikoden 2 and it looks like it will stay that way as long as the game continues to develope like this.

YAY I HAVE ALL THE CHARACTERS. so? I only use a select few of them and most of the characters are ugly people who would more likely fit as generic townspeople avatars. The double team system was stupid as **** and the rune/equipment system was boring. I give Suikoden 5 a 1/10, if any at all. I hated it. The only fun part about the game was the mini-games.. thats why it gets a 1.

1 out of 10? I'm sensing a little bias here.

Double teams were comparatively useless in this one. Indeed, they pretty much sucked.

But let's be honest, in 2, they were TOO useful. Abusing them is what made 2 even easier than V.

[SuperHiko]

Suikoden 5 had flaws, but Tales of the Abyss is perfect?

hahahahahahaha

Agreed, MDL~

[Len]

I didn't say Tales of the Abyss is perfect. Don't chase me to flame me.

[SuperHiko]

This is my thread, if you check the thread starter. One might even think he would like to read these threads to view peoples thoughts on things.

Dare I say, you are stalking me. lol

Please stop, I have enough fans as is.

[Len]

I post in threads worth posting. I don't like Suikoden 5 because it was easy and had no storyline. Galleon thingies were just a boring minigame added to try and compensate for the lack of anything else. The art in the game was beautiful though I must say. I'm not rating games based on visual appeal, I'm rating them based on gameplay.

Cockiness is just going to get you insulted.

[SuperHiko]

Let me tell you.. lol

I get real down when people I don't know insult me over the web.

In fact, I am crying right now.

You hurt my pride.

Happy?

lol

[Len]

Too bad I didnt insult you.

[SuperHiko]

Then we are friends again!

I wonder when a Suikoden game will get a SoD that has my name.

That'd be fun.

=)

[Len]

You mean SuperHiko? xD Its a pretty low probability since its two parts.

[SuperHiko]

Obviously this is just an alias I use on this 'wonderful' forum.

My actual name, Ryan has yet to be used in a Suikoden game....let alone any rpg other then Wild ARMs and Phantasy Star 3.

I wish they'd use it more. =(

[Len]

Yea, I cant recall it being used in anything else, either. Suikoden.. having like over 580 characters throughout the series, suprisingly didnt use Ryan. How odd.

[Westlo]

I enjoyed the game and it was definately a welcome return to form for the series but I wish it wasn't so easy. It's difficulty is near non exsistant, the only fights I had to try again where a naval battle I bugged twice near the start of the game. When they attack RAFT fleet for the first time I think.. oh well got 3x the items so it didn't really bother me.

Picking the strong characters and runes isn't exactly rocket science, I'm sure most people stumbled across them without a gamefaq guide.

[Hisoka]

I post in threads worth posting. I don't like Suikoden 5 because it was easy and had no storyline. Galleon thingies were just a boring minigame added to try and compensate for the lack of anything else. The art in the game was beautiful though I must say. I'm not rating games based on visual appeal, I'm rating them based on gameplay.

Cockiness is just going to get you insulted.

For the love of god tell me you're joking...! I can't comprehend this. You're ridiculous and that has nothing to do with me being a huge fan of the series. That's a flat out LIE and a completely biased opinion. If you're going to diss any of the Suikoden games of having a bad storyline by all means bash IV all you want. But V!!!??? This is crazy talk.

[Len]

For the love of god tell me you're joking...! I can't comprehend this. You're ridiculous and that has nothing to do with me being a huge fan of the series. That's a flat out LIE and a completely biased opinion. If you're going to diss any of the Suikoden games of having a bad storyline by all means bash IV all you want. But V!!!??? This is crazy talk.

We wern't talking about 4? oops. xD I was a little tired when I posted that.