Ghost in the Shell Thread

[yangster]

I thought it would be a good idea just to start a thread since there isn't one in the specific series forum. Talk about anything and ask questions that's GitS related, manga, movies, SAC, and etc. I'll try to start things off.

So far, what if you favorite episode(s) in SAC series? Mine would be ep. 10, because I liked it when they talked about Batou's past. I also liked ep. 15, because we get to know more about the Tachikomas (sort of), and it's sad that they were sent back to the lab.

[Old Ape Face]

thank god this ie exactly the kind of thread i've been looking for.

your the best man. i'm a big GITS fan and i've always wanted to go to a forum spcificaly on ghost in the shel stuff,



thank you thank you thank you :huggles: :* :cool:


now i can realy start asking people on the difference between Taticoma and Fuchicoma

for one all i know is fuchicoma where from the maga series and the tatichoma are from SAC

is that there only diference?

[yangster]

LOL. I've been hearing a lot lately that there should be one in the Specific Series forum so I just thought of making this and hopefully people will use this thread. Who knows? If this thread gets popular enough there might be one in the Specific Series forum.

[Old Ape Face]

your right and i hope there will be one.

[Retro]

It's funny, there used to be one actually. anyhow, my favorite episode is Chat! Chat! Chat! Its fascinating how they speculate on the Laughing Man.

Here's another question, do you prefer any of the 3 GitS (GitS1,2, SAC) over the other two? I regard GitS 2: Innocence as the best of GitS on film.

[Yuffie]

LOL. I've been hearing a lot lately that there should be one in the Specific Series forum so I just thought of making this and hopefully people will use this thread. Who knows? If this thread gets popular enough there might be one in the Specific Series forum.

You know there is right? When you click forum at the top and scroll down until you get to the forum below anime (I belive it's anime specific series or something like that) it has a whole bunch of shows like Yu Yu Hakisho, InuYasha, and Full Metal Alchamist to name a few. I'm not sure if there's a Ghost in the Shell thread but if not someone could start one. I know a lot of people like the show and would probably post alot! :D (This is all just so you know ^_^ )
Yuffie~:ph34r:

[Old Ape Face]

no there isn't another list of forums, "and Believe me i looked" :( and i tyeped Ghost In The Shel in the search forums thing an had no luck. and you can't start a new GITS forum becuase they won't let you post a new Forum, only the administration can. -_-; :crybaby:

And not only am i looking for GITS, i'm also wondering about Outlaw Star too. there is a lot of good stuff i wont to talk about mabe i'll just start and outlaw star thread like this one. :unsure:

[evafan88]

I love GITS just got the special edition of the movie that was just released and then im getting GITS SAC limited edition volume one by the end of the week!!!!!

[Old Ape Face]

I love GITS just got the special edition of the movie that was just released and then im getting GITS SAC limited edition volume one by the end of the week!!!!!


i heard that the movie that's baced on the book wasn't that great but still. i also watched an awsome episode last night on adult swim.

i think there's a lot more action in the book than the show, and last night i think was the one show i've sene the most action, other than another laughing man episode.

[Alexei]

It's funny, there used to be one actually. anyhow, my favorite episode is Chat! Chat! Chat! Its fascinating how they speculate on the Laughing Man.

Here's another question, do you prefer any of the 3 GitS (GitS1,2, SAC) over the other two? I regard GitS 2: Innocence as the best of GitS on film.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/cottontail777/deafmute.gif

I love that episode also! :D

I also like the one with the haywire tank, possed by that one guys brain... whatever it's title is.

[Old Ape Face]

Thanx for the Avatar Alexei :lol:

[kacper]

Fuchikomas are the spider tanks from the original MANGA and FIRST GAME.
Tachikomas are SAC only.

I dont know technical specs/differences for them. :P

[Old Ape Face]

Fuchikomas are the spider tanks from the original MANGA and FIRST GAME.
Tachikomas are SAC only.

I dont know technical specs/differences for them. :P



no really you think i didn't know that?

[bounty3009]

Yeah, that laughing man episode with the child hackers inside the facility was a badass episode.

[yangster]

no really you think i didn't know that?

He was probably answering a question an person asked a while ago. Go back a few pages and someone made a thread asking the difference between the two.

[yangster]

You know there is right? When you click forum at the top and scroll down until you get to the forum below anime (I belive it's anime specific series or something like that) it has a whole bunch of shows like Yu Yu Hakisho, InuYasha, and Full Metal Alchamist to name a few. I'm not sure if there's a Ghost in the Shell thread but if not someone could start one. I know a lot of people like the show and would probably post alot! :D (This is all just so you know ^_^ )
Yuffie~:ph34r:

Trust me, if there was a GitS forum in the Specific Series forum then I wouldn't have made this thread. There used to be one before they renovated the forums.

[Batman]

So far, what if you favorite episode(s) in SAC series? My fav at the mo would have the be "Jungle crusie", another one I love is "Not equal". So far I havn't seen a bad episode ^_^ . Here's another question, do you prefer any of the 3 GitS (GitS1,2, SAC) over the other two? I regard GitS 2: Innocence as the best of GitS on film. It's too hard for me to choose, I love everythink to do with gits. Evan with the cc subtitles I loved innocece and the first film will always have a special place in my heart as it got me into anime. Sac if by far one of the best series. i heard that the movie that's baced on the book wasn't that great but still. i also watched an awsome episode last night on adult swim. Its my personal fav film of all time, but some ppl say its overrated <_< . I also like the one with the haywire tank, possed by that one guys brain... whatever it's title is. That episode is called testation, love the music in that one... mm think its called beauty is within us or somethink. I say bring back the series specific forum, some intresting threads where in the orginal and I for one would be glad to see it come back.

[XKamishiroX]

I have been watching it on AdultSwim lately, it seems pretty deep in it's plotline. Which is just the way I like it. :rolleyes:

[yangster]

Here's another question, do you prefer any of the 3 GitS (GitS1,2, SAC) over the other two? I regard GitS 2: Innocence as the best of GitS on film.

I haven't seen Innocence yet and won't get it until I see the new versions out in stores. But right now I like the first movie and SAC the same way, although the movie was a bit confusing at first.

[Old Ape Face]

i think the music in the opening of GITS SAC is the best music any anime has to offer. the graphics are also good. too bad they arn't like that in the main show :(

[yangster]

The OP hurted my eyes at first for some reason, but I do like it and it's one of the best that I've heard.

[Retro]

I was able to see Innocence 3 times in the theater. I looked in a store recently and there is no "V4" on the spine of the Innocence DVDs I looked at. I worry that it will take some time to sell these off and have the V4's in stock...

[yangster]

I waited for DW to say it and I can wait even more for it to be out in stores. I was thinking about getting the regular one but I don't want to risk sending it to DW and waiting for delays or whatever else that can go wrong.

[Scratalacha]

GITS SAC 2nd GIG is even better than the first SAC IMHO. It really makes you think. Expecially with the depth of the material, gives me a nosebleed. :D As for favorite episode... 2nd GIG, the episode going into Saito's past.

[Retro]

SAC 2nd Gig is probably like that because Mamoru Oshii lent his hand in the writing of 2nd Gig. During production of SAC, Oshii was doing Innocence. Oshii likes to put in deep stuff, thought provoking stuff.

[kacper]

no really you think i didn't know that?

yep, i really thought you didnt know that. its not like you specified what you knew and what you didnt. so get out of the sarcasm mode.

[Jeht Black1]

I was able to see Innocence 3 times in the theater. I looked in a store recently and there is no "V4" on the spine of the Innocence DVDs I looked at. I worry that it will take some time to sell these off and have the V4's in stock...
what do the V4 mean

[kacper]

dont really know, guessing Version 4 maybe ;) its supposed to mean its the correct version with 2 subtitle streams, a proper non-closed-captioned english sub, and a cc one.

[Old Ape Face]

besides the obvious what's the difference between fuchicoma and taticoma

[Jeht Black1]

dont really know, guessing Version 4 maybe ;) its supposed to mean its the correct version with 2 subtitle streams, a proper non-closed-captioned english sub, and a cc one.
so you mean it wont have (The sounds of foot steps through a puddle of water)
written across the screen

[yangster]

so you mean it wont have (The sounds of foot steps through a puddle of water)
written across the screen

Yes. The new version is supposedly fixed and have regular subs in it.

[yangster]

besides the obvious what's the difference between fuchicoma and taticoma

Fuchikomas are the spider tanks from the original MANGA and FIRST GAME.
Tachikomas are SAC only.

I dont know technical specs/differences for them. :P

Kacper had answered your question.

[Old Ape Face]

i think i found the most logical answer.

since SAC is a more reasent version of ghost in the shell, the time frame is farthur down the time line, there for all the characters are older and newer characters and props are introdues, i don't no weather to call fuchicoma and tachicoma a prop but i think tachicoma is the newest devlopment batal tank in Ghsot in the shell, in that time frame.

like upgraded software

[Susano]

I really can't say which of SAC is my favorite- I've only been watching it on Adult Swim. Although my resolve to wait for a box set of SAC has crumbled after they finally started to put some of the LE items that Japan (and most other countries got in their Volume 1 release) had. Plus, I think I can still find the first two volumes very inexpensively at nameless stores. (I've even seen volume four LE at under twenty and the standard version at under sixteen.) So it's cheaper that way if you hit the sales right, especially if you want the OST's.

Anyways, I really enjoyed the Chat episode as well. Just for the simple fact that Motoko was wearing an MMI outfit. I also enjoyed the episode with Bateo's Tachikoma going out on a merry jaunt about the city.

As to which GITS animation I prefer, I much more enjoy the SAC series than either one of the movies. Innocence, though pretty, was nothing more than Oshi's annoying attempt to cram as much philosophy down an audience's throat as possible. And in the end not trully succeeding in making us care for his idea due to the over use of quotes. The first GITS movie was just a bit dull, but better in some ways than Innocence. (These are my opinions. I know some of you view it differently, but it's just me.) I still enjoyed both movies, and it was deffinitely worth to see Innocence in the theatre, but niether of htem is my favorite. Personally, I much prefer the two manga over any of the animations.

As to the differences of the Tachikomas and Fuchikomas, I think it's entirely just cosmetic differences. They both serve the same function, with the exact same abilites and personalities. I'm guessing, the Tachikomas were introduced more to seperate the GITS SAC series from both the movies and the manga, to show that Stand Alone Complex truly does stand away from the manga and movies. I prefer the Fuchikomas myself; they're much more stream lined and a person can fit within them much better than a Tachikoma. I always get the feeling that Bateo is crammed with his knees over his head just to fit inside the butt of his Tachikoma, while the Fuchikomas, the characters just drape themselves over the main body- much more comfortable looking.

[Old Ape Face]

survay says "i agree". that's anoth possebility i wont deny

[Old Ape Face]

Have you ever wondered why the fuchicoma resemble Spiders?

i think it's becuse Shirow owns a few pet spiders and he used them to model the fuchicoma.

[Scratalacha]

I find it funny that everything to date has really come from the original Man Machine Interface manga. It wasn't untill the very end of Innocence that i realised.. HEY! this was in the manga!

[Old Ape Face]

Man machine interface is the sequal of the origanal, the origanla is just called Ghost in the Shell

[xFANCY_MOOSEx]

Finally, a Gits Thread! (also good to advertise my new animated gifs) Well, I just imported the 1st season, I'm going to watch it soon, but I have one question, did the second Gig come out in Japan already? (Sorry, I'm import happy)

[Old Ape Face]

where'd you get that? i've been looking for animated Gits avatars all over but i can't find on

[xFANCY_MOOSEx]

I make them myself, give me a couple weeks and I'll update my avatar gallery

[Old Ape Face]

cool great right now i'm just modifiying shiiow's pics to be usable for avatars, but i also want one that moves

[xFANCY_MOOSEx]

I'll see what I can do ;)

[yangster]

I was waiting for some GitS avatars and I'm glad that your going to make some Moose.

[Old Ape Face]

holy **** i just understood Shirow's Ghost concept. the fuchicoma and the tachicoma are androids and are controld by someones ghost. a ghost is like the spirit of a human that can be used to make copies of the old human or be used as an artificail mind to program the Ai that runs the Fuchicoma or any other artifical animated object such as a cyborg.

now i understand what they ment by it might be there ghost. ghost in the shell must refer to motko and the pupeteer combind, the puteteer is the ghost and motoko is the sheell. or sothing like that.

or no ghost in the shell must refer to someones ghost in an artifical body like a cyborgs prostedic body as the shell.

someone else probably got it before me but now i understand the book a lot better. it also might sound a little confusing but i put it in the best way that i could explain it.

no wonder the fuchicoma seem so ignorant and at the same time act human.

[spawn]

well im glad you finally figured it out.......

i assume you already know the meaning of the concept of 'stand alone complex' aswell.......

[.sex miget099]

old ape face i need to know how to get that avatar of the kid
in the hat

[.sex miget099]

spawn it's you

[spawn]

ya, its me......watup.......

[Old Ape Face]

old ape face i need to know how to get that avatar of the kid
in the hat

What? kid in what hat?

[Old Ape Face]

well im glad you finally figured it out.......

i assume you already know the meaning of the concept of 'stand alone complex' aswell.......

nope havn't dug deep enough into it to understand

[spawn]

nope havn't dug deep enough into it to understand


the meaning is quite simple actually........

[SaiyanGuySSJ5]

o no tehrz a gost in teh shel? wot shel iz it lik mi eggo shelz if it iz im not gon eet no mor eggoz
o wate duz taht meen taht teh ckikenz hav gostz in tehm 2!?!

[Bolo]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/R0G3R/Forum%20Junk/Signs/tryingtobefunny.jpg

[Old Ape Face]

o no tehrz a gost in teh shel? wot shel iz it lik mi eggo shelz if it iz im not gon eet no mor eggoz
o wate duz taht meen taht teh ckikenz hav gostz in tehm 2!?!


do you even speak english? :eww:

[Old Ape Face]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/R0G3R/Forum%20Junk/Signs/tryingtobefunny.jpg




:lol: so yoiur tying to be a luaghing man :lol:
oh that is hilarious

[yangster]

Nice explanation old ape face. I understand the difference now.

Nice avatar Bolo.

[spawn]

does any one know where i can get some good ghost in the shell downloads?....

im thinkin mp3's........

[yangster]

You might have a better chance of getting answers like that in the Music forum.

[Batman]

does any one know where i can get some good ghost in the shell downloads?....

im thinkin mp3's........
Google will prob give you some results or failing that a p2p program of some description.

[Lt. Mustang]

The 2nd season is better I think. O and the second Season OST is also better.

[xFANCY_MOOSEx]

Hey, this has been bothering me for awhile, can anyone actually explain ghosts to me? I've never quite understood it >.<;; (also another excuse to show my new avatars)

[Old Ape Face]

holy **** i just understood Shirow's Ghost concept. the fuchicoma and the tachicoma are androids and are controld by someones ghost. a ghost is like the spirit of a human that can be used to make copies of the old human or be used as an artificail mind to program the Ai that runs the Fuchicoma or any other artifical animated object such as a cyborg.

now i understand what they ment by it might be there ghost. ghost in the shell must refer to motko and the pupeteer combind, the puteteer is the ghost and motoko is the sheell. or sothing like that.

or no ghost in the shell must refer to someones ghost in an artifical body like a cyborgs prostedic body as the shell.

someone else probably got it before me but now i understand the book a lot better. it also might sound a little confusing but i put it in the best way that i could explain it.

no wonder the fuchicoma seem so ignorant and at the same time act human.

this is how i understand it

[Retro]

Yeah, I've always assumed Ghost in GitS stood for Soul or Sprit, it just sounds way cooler as GitS. Shirow explores very interesting ideas that I believe are fast approaching reality.

Edit: Moose, I'm lookin' and a likin' your animated SAC avatars!

[xFANCY_MOOSEx]

this is how i understand it

Still a little confusing, but I get the gist, thanks

[Old Ape Face]

i heard of the spirit theory from Shirows notes in the back of GITS v1, and i just understood that from one frame in the first chapter where fuchi says "I'm a Ghost that hate Cyberbrain washing." it took me two and a half times reading the book to find it. :lol:

[Scratalacha]

Ok, from time to time I still wonder if I have the idea behind the Stand Alone Complex down. So here is what I see in it:

Because of the inherent complexity of a cyberbrain and the networking capabilities included, there is a certain amount of 'leakage' associated with each brain. With large number of people and brains close together, there is a sort of subliminal networking going on that allows the group to almost act as if it were one large cyberbrain in a certain aspect.

Is this totally off or am I just thinking too much?

[Eriana]

I do not care to see Ghost in a shell, and xFancy Moosex, a ghost basically is a demon. Even though others sometimes disagree.

[yangster]

In the GitS world, ghosts are not demons. You should watch the movie or read about it before posting something like "it's a demon".

[Old Ape Face]

I do not care to see Ghost in a shell, and xFancy Moosex, a ghost basically is a demon. Even though others sometimes disagree.


you've seen way too much inuyasha. the ghost in ghost in the shell is a completely whole different concept than a monster, it's basically the hardware of a liveing thing. and yeah i agree you should read or watch the show instead of asuming the obviese.

and if you don't watch it then why are you even submiting a reply here?

[Ladyceres]

Misato should come to my house and do a lot of things with me

[Old Ape Face]

Say wha? :blink:

[yangster]

Misato should come to my house and do a lot of things with me

Who are you talking about? I don't know there names but are you talking about Motoko's friends?

[Old Ape Face]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Shinjuku]

So I was wondering how friendly are Motoko and her two friends and do they have cyborg bodies?

[yangster]

They are friendly, so far, and I think they have prostectic bodies or however you say it.

[Old Ape Face]

^Motoko is a cyborge along with Batou and i thing Boma (not sure.) Togusa is not a cyborge, neither is Arimaki.

as for how freindly, Motoko in the book is realy demanding, but she seems nice in SAC.

[Shinjuku]

^Motoko is a cyborge along with Batou and i thing Boma (not sure.) Togusa is not a cyborge, neither is Arimaki.

as for how freindly, Motoko in the book is realy demanding, but she seems nice in SAC.

I was talking about Motok's 2 girlfriends in SAC. In one episode she visited them and one of them complained about Motoko not spending much time with her, then made her a drink and fell asleep next to Motoko with her arms wrapped around the other girl. The same girl is also in the episode where those rich kids get caught selling body parts and she also witnessed Motoko getting her new body after the narcotics assault team stomped on her head with the armored suit. So far I can't tell what type relationship they have and wether the 2 girlfriends have cyborg bodies or not. Well it seemed like they were hinting at possibly being more then just friends.

[Susano]

Spoilers for GITS manga and SAC ahead.

The two gals who's house Motoko visits in SAC are involved with each other and Motoko sexually. The scene that was removed by Studio Proteus when the first GITS manga was originally released involved a very graphic lesbian sex scene between them and Motoko- the scene is now restored in the second edition. Essentially, Shirow was trying to show the potential of cyberspace not only for communication, but also for various types of entertainment. Also, with Motoko's state of the art body, she was able to essentially amplify the pleasure the two girls recieved while they were involved with each other sexually.

And no, the two girls are not cyborgs. Alike Togusa and most other humans in the time period of GITS, they have slight augmentaions to their brains- to allow the data link, and possibly they might have some other very minor augmentaions. Keep in mind, almost no person alive can afford the full body cyborg treatment that Motoko and Bateu enjoy- especilay with the very costly bodies they both have- or not so enjoy. The first GITS movie was rather accurate that they are essentially owened by the government.

[Retro]

What institates a Cyborg? A friend told me it meant any body part cybernetic, eyes, etc. Aramaki and Togusa are not cyborgs, but, they are connected to the net, they have implants. What makes a Cyborg a Cyborg? :unsure:

[Nameless]

I'd say the heart/engine.

[Susano]

Generally speaking, when I've seen the term cyborg refering to a human being, most, if not all of the organic parts have been replaced. That's just the general impression- the implied connotation- I've always gotten whenever I've read about charters referred to as cyborgs. This is in reference to sci fi novels as well as sci fi rpg's I've played (like Shadowrun, etc.) A dictionary generally defines a cyborg as a living being who has some or all organic parts replaced with mechanical/ biomechanical parts. I guess to each his own.^_^

[Old Ape Face]

i have opened a ghost in the shell Rpg inthr rpg section. if you'r interested just click on the link, you might find some of the thecnical stuff interesting

[Scratalacha]

*spoilers*

You guys talking about what makes a cyborg and what doesn't raises the exact questions that are raised in the series itself. Still, the *boat* scene in the first Manga always gets my head going about references in the series to the sexuality of Motoko and her relationship with the others in Section 9. I also wonder about the last episode of GITS SAC where Batou and Motoko are in her room and it just fades out. Always makes me wonder what the director intended.

[Shinjuku]

I guess I should stop stalling and read the Manga.

Speaking of Batou and Motoko, i was a bit confused by the boxing episode where they show a picture that was in Batou's wallet. It looks like him, a domesticated Motoko and a child in the picture. Before that when he was asked if he was married he said "not exactly" or something like that.

[Old Ape Face]

i know they don't had that kind of relation sheip in the book, in fact she's not interestead in Batou at all.
spoilers

her boyfreind is the cheif of section 1

[Scratalacha]

Well if you really want to find some interesting (akward) situations... just watch SAC 2nd GIG 17th episode....

*spoilers*
In an quite odd scenario, the major has saved this young boy (15-16 maybe?) from the local mafia and has him stay the night in her hotel room. ^^
It gets to the point in which they are about to go to sleep on opposite ends of the bed and the boy asks "Can androids have sex?". Motoko replies, "Want to find out...". Needless to say, the boy says no. Still it raises some of the interesting questions raised in the manga about sex.

[Shinjuku]

i know they don't had that kind of relation sheip in the book, in fact she's not interestead in Batou at all.
spoilers

her boyfreind is the cheif of section 1

What is section 1's purpose?

Well if you really want to find some interesting (akward) situations... just watch SAC 2nd GIG 17th episode....

Weird i wonder what would have happened if the boy said yes....
Does Motoko ever manage to bring back Tachikoma with that chip she took after it saved Batou?

[Old Ape Face]

still looking for people to jion my rpg.

section one is a different section under the police sceme in Newport ciy, becuase the city is conected through the network there are so many people comiting crime that they'v spread the police forces into sections across the city.

[spawn]

i would like to join........i'll talk to you about it tomorrow......i g2g......

[Old Ape Face]

k still looking for players

[[]K"Rou[]]

Go to this site, It has the opening song

http://kumiko14-2.tripod.com/anime/bin/gitssac01inneruniverse.mp3

[Old Ape Face]

^already have both long and short version of it, on my media player.

[Scratalacha]

Does Motoko ever manage to bring back Tachikoma with that chip she took after it saved Batou?

Well... maybe if you watched the 2nd GIG you could find that out *hint hint*

[Kyuuen]

Found from some website on Section 1:

Section 1:
Section 1 is in charge of drug enforcement, and is similar in scope to the US' DEA. Section one utilizes combat trained personnel and investigations personnel in its operations. Since all agents are cross-trained, they can engage in either activity. Section 1 answers to the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

Section 6 (Treaty Council):
Public Section 6 is another name for the Treaty Council. It contains all investigations, combat and special operations personnel used by The Ministry of Foreign Affairs. This section is in charge of investigating and gathering information on various diplomatic issues, international crime and terrorism. This section is highly secretive and is deeply rooted in espionage and covert operations. Comparative to the US' CIA or the British MI-6. There are no (official) full-cyborgs in S-6. Section 6 answers directly to the Prime Minister.

Section 9 (Special Assault Squad or Shell Squad) :
Otherwise known as the Shell Squad, a special task force under the Prime Minister. Section 9 is the Ministry of Internal Affairs counter-terrorist, cyborg crimes, and assassination squad. It is a paramilitary organization, and most of its members are full cyborgs. It is no coincidence that Section 9 resembles the German GSG9 (Without a doubt, the most extensively trained and equipped counter-terrorist squad on the planet), and like each GSG9 agent, each S-9 member is extensively trained in combat, anti-terrorism and investigations. When a terrorist incident occurs it is S-9's job to either stop it, or investigate the aftermath and find those responsible. This unit is cleverly headed by Daisuke Aramaki while tactical command was once the responsibility of the very talented Motoko Kusanagi. Unfortunately she was forced to flee the country. Her whereabouts are unknown.

[Old Ape Face]

that explians the anacoda episode in the book. Anacoda is a notorias drug smugler.

and the episode with the pupeteer, however s-6 is wrong to think that the pupeteer is there business, S-9 should be held responsibel for shell cracking

spoiler: it all has to do with the puteteer insedent, she killed a kid on duty was put in court and became an escaped convict, the reason for the strange acts was that she sharde her ghost with the puteteer, and later they fused.

[Old Ape Face]

ok, last night's episode realy scrude up what i though a gohst was for, a bunch of tachicoma were talking together and they where complianing about not haveing a ghost. perhaps it just for the humans.

[Shinjuku]

ok, last night's episode realy scrude up what i though a gohst was for, a bunch of tachicoma were talking together and they where complianing about not haveing a ghost. perhaps it just for the humans.

The Tachicomas and the Major don't really know what they are talking about at that point. Just watch the rest of the series and that should clear things up.

[Lancaster]

What I love is that the Tachikoma aren't just babbling senselessly though. Some of their more philosophical discussions really get out on the fringe of things (re: Batou's reaction to "God is zero") but most of what they say makes plenty of sense, particularly their insights about the nature of their own intelligence... ;)

[reki]

I thought that was an interesting analogy too. Though I kinda feel like Batou, going "huh?"

Story matter from the manga shows up often in the SAC episodes and in the movies, just not in any scene by scene basis. I've seen on two occasions where an anime series did a parallel story line. Such as tenchi muyo, and el-hazard. Most of the story is the same, but the characters meet differently, or some roles are switched, but still the same story. Why they did that I don't really know, unless it was desired to see what a slightly different plot looked like. GITS; between the manga, the movies, and the tv series.....seems to carry on with this theme. The manga has one version, then its played with in a different light in the series, and a different one in the movie. Motoko and company is shown as more human and humorous in the manga, while more serious, dry humored in the series. The movies show a lot of reflection revolving around the "ghost" issue, and what it means to be "human". To some people there is going to be no question on this because of their own personal beliefs or religion, to others it offers the viewpoint of "what if". I wonder if the "God is zero" analogy was original to Shirow or something he found by someone else.

[Old Ape Face]

the episode reminded me of the (spoiler) sene where the fuchicoma plan a revolt but desid not to since there is no sence in it. it also makes me curios about the in depth analogies at the end of the first book, at first it sounds like a lot of bs and too technical to understand, but if you think about it it actually makes sence.

[animeotaku99]

I was talking about Motok's 2 girlfriends in SAC. In one episode she visited them and one of them complained about Motoko not spending much time with her, then made her a drink and fell asleep next to Motoko with her arms wrapped around the other girl. The same girl is also in the episode where those rich kids get caught selling body parts and she also witnessed Motoko getting her new body after the narcotics assault team stomped on her head with the armored suit. So far I can't tell what type relationship they have and wether the 2 girlfriends have cyborg bodies or not. Well it seemed like they were hinting at possibly being more then just friends.
I haven't started watching SAC but I have read the manga of GITS. I just was just wondering thugh... Does Motoko use drugs??? I remeber something about that in the manga I'd just like to know a little bit about why she is attacked by a Narcotics team.

[Batman]

What I love is that the Tachikoma aren't just babbling senselessly though. Some of their more philosophical discussions really get out on the fringe of things (re: Batou's reaction to "God is zero") but most of what they say makes plenty of sense, particularly their insights about the nature of their own intelligence... ;) I agree some of the convos are very nitresting.

[Shinjuku]

I haven't started watching SAC but I have read the manga of GITS. I just was just wondering thugh... Does Motoko use drugs??? I remeber something about that in the manga I'd just like to know a little bit about why she is attacked by a Narcotics team.

In the movie Motoko mentions that cyborgs can metabolize alcohol instantly. So I'm sure its the same with other drugs. I doubt she takes illegal drugs. Cyborgs don't really need conventional drugs to get a feeling of euphoria. They could execute programming in their cyber-brain to get that feeling. So I doubt she has problems with narcotics. The only reason I can think of is to make herself feel more human. In the series she is attacked by the narcotics assault team because she was defending someone they were ordered to assassinate.

[Old Ape Face]

I haven't started watching SAC but I have read the manga of GITS. I just was just wondering thugh... Does Motoko use drugs??? I remeber something about that in the manga I'd just like to know a little bit about why she is attacked by a Narcotics team.
(Spoiler)
she was attacked becuase her boy freind from section one gave out information on Motoko to the main chief of section one, section one was responsible for drug scandles, but the leading drug scandler known as Tomu Soma ironically called Anaconda wanted Motoko, and section one used her as a trap to catch him.

[reki]

[QUOTE=Scratalacha]Well if you really want to find some interesting (akward) situations... just watch SAC 2nd GIG 17th episode....

I am just curious as to what you're watching... a fan sub? Or an import? Either way I'm jealous. :$%&#!:

[Susano]

animeotaku99,


Spoilers Ahoy:


The part you're asking about in the first GITS manga wasn't a drug that Motoko was using. The situation was occuring in virtual reality and essentially Motoko was loading a program to enable the channeling of her reactions to her sexual experience with the two other gals. Shirow just represented it as an injection in his rendering of cyberspace. So no, she's not an addict, although the program she was using was illegal.

[Lt. Mustang]

has the 2nd season, Gits SAC 2 come out on box yet (import?)

[chango]

I was wondering about the series. I have watched two episodes and I really did not know what the series is really about.
Does it have anything to do with the original movie?
I was also wondering if any of you have play the PS2 game that came out a while back.
Is it any good?

[Lt. Mustang]

The series is loosely based on the movie, its like what if the major never murged with the AI.
I have the Ps2 game, and as much as i like the series, its rubbish compared to other shooters.

[Nameless]

I love the game. It's no great shooter but if you are a fan the story and the atmosphere are on point.

[Susano]

Actually, the GITS SAC series is much more closely based on the original manga by Masamune Shirow which the movie itself was loosley based upon. And yes, essentially, it is a series based on "what if Motoko never met with the Puppet Master."

Essentialy, there are Complex episodes which involve the Laughing Man case and then there are Stand Alone episodes that are a sort of filler that gives more depth to the various characters. New characters are also introduced and there are Tachikomas instead of Fuchikomas.

[Stelok]

Ghost in the Shell?

I remember I had read some non-graphic novel (32-page) manga book in some bookstore months ago and it was kinda confusing for me.

I hear it is one of the most popular anime.

[Aion Linux]

Saturdays' CN Episode: How could the major do that to the Tachikomas? :(

^GITS is an anime staple.

I usually don't like cyberpunk anime, but GITS just grabbed me, and it made me think.

[Scratalacha]

Well if you really want to find some interesting (akward) situations... just watch SAC 2nd GIG 17th episode....

I am just curious as to what you're watching... a fan sub? Or an import? Either way I'm jealous. :$%&#!:

Well, just check any *unliscensed* fansubbing BT site..... It's all over. Dont get jealous, grab the initiative, get them NOW. :D

[Old Ape Face]

Actually, the GITS SAC series is much more closely based on the original manga by Masamune Shirow which the movie itself was loosley based upon. And yes, essentially, it is a series based on "what if Motoko never met with the Puppet Master."

Essentialy, there are Complex episodes which involve the Laughing Man case and then there are Stand Alone episodes that are a sort of filler that gives more depth to the various characters. New characters are also introduced and there are Tachikomas instead of Fuchikomas.

i have seen some simiarities between the episodes an the manga, but there are obvieus diferences between the two.

Saturdays' CN Episode: How could the major do that to the Tachikomas? :(

^GITS is an anime staple.

I usually don't like cyberpunk anime, but GITS just grabbed me, and it made me think.

that's one example that's similar to the manga, the same situation aplied it the book as well only with fuchicomas and Batou was ackting like a clown.

if you like the show you'l love the manga for the same reason

[Retro]

Dunno if ppl know, but it seems a tinbox will come with GitS: SAC vol.7, according to Jerry Chu (username Jerry Vo) at AOD. Comes with a laughing man T shirt, which I think would be cool, the logo would have people looking and wondering.

[Lunay]

Nice!! I would like the t-shirt myself. And the tinbox you are talking about will hold all the DVDs? That would be sweet~ :)

[Jeht Black1]

This might be the shirt, if offered. Laughing Man shirt (http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yah oo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dghost%2Bi n%2Bthe%2Bshell%2Bstand%2Balone%2Bcomple x%26ei%3DUTF-8%26fl%3D0%26qp_p%3Dghost%2Bshell%2Bstan d%2Balone%2Bcomplex%26imgsz%3Dall%26fr%3 DFP-tab-web-t%26b%3D381&h=239&w=220&imgcurl=www.bandai.co.jp%2Ffashion%2Fyou ng%2Fimg%2F03105.jpg&imgurl=www.bandai.co.jp%2Ffashion%2Fyoun g%2Fimg%2F03105.jpg&size=5.2kB&name=03105.jpg&rcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bandai.co.jp%2Ffa shion%2Fyoung%2Findex04.html&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bandai.co.jp%2Ffas hion%2Fyoung%2Findex04.html&p=ghost+in+the+shell+stand+alone+complex&type=jpeg&no=388&tt=578)

[yangster]

Nice!! I would like the t-shirt myself. And the tinbox you are talking about will hold all the DVDs? That would be sweet~ :)

Yes, it will hold all of the DVDs.

[boojitsu-.-]

there should be a thread for GITS storyline analysis... i sometimes get lost in what's going on w/ the laughing man... and what's real and what was just hypothesese that just died off... ya know? anyways. kudos for making this thread.

-boo

[Shinjuku]

there should be a thread for GITS storyline analysis... i sometimes get lost in what's going on w/ the laughing man... and what's real and what was just hypothesese that just died off... ya know? anyways. kudos for making this thread.

-boo

Thats a good idea. It might end up sounding like the chat room episode. Well lets see what everyone else thinks. It will take a few more people who have seen and understand the laughing man episodes.

[Lancaster]

there should be a thread for GITS storyline analysis... i sometimes get lost in what's going on w/ the laughing man... and what's real and what was just hypothesese that just died off... ya know? anyways. kudos for making this thread.

-boo
If you think the Laughing Man story is perplexing, just wait until you see GitS: SAC 2nd GIG. ^_^

[boojitsu-.-]

2nd gig? is there a 2nd season ?

-boo

[boojitsu-.-]

Thats a good idea. It might end up sounding like the chat room episode. Well lets see what everyone else thinks. It will take a few more people who have seen and understand the laughing man episodes.

it'd be worse than that chat room episode, because we would be analysing the analyzerz... haha... we should totally do it... and AN should get a GITS:SAC series topic room opened... it would eventually start filling up with people

-boo

[Lancaster]

2nd gig? is there a 2nd season ?

-boo
http://www.production-ig.co.jp/anime/gits4/

It's being fansubbed, though very slowly.

[Lt. Mustang]

It's very good however, (I own the 1st and 2nd season :P ) I'd definatily recommend it. There are some interesting scenes that pay homage to the orginal movie. Heres a question for you people that have seen it: What was up with epsisode 17>? Kinda Strange.Also, *Spoilers*(highlight if you want to see it! Was the rebel leader, sorry i forgot his name, the same character that was refered to as the disabled boy who folded crains? And if so, it Motoko who knew his from a young age, was she the girl that visited him every day? I was just confused.

[Shinjuku]

it'd be worse than that chat room episode, because we would be analysing the analyzerz... haha... we should totally do it... and AN should get a GITS:SAC series topic room opened... it would eventually start filling up with people

-boo

If no one else does I'll start the thread when I'm not at work later this evening. But we really cold use a GITS series specific topic so we could sticky it there.

[yangster]

That would be cool if we had a chat room thing going on. But I need to rewatch the episodes so I can understand it better.

[boojitsu-.-]

yeah... let's go gogo !!!
-boo

[Old Ape Face]

i just watched ghost in the shell like half an hour ago. this one showed to diversaty of a foregin government compared to Gits's Japanese sociaty setting. it also showed me a little me Arimaki's own personality where he demenstrated his hostage survival skills.

i thought it was amazing how he fooled the London security forces by planting a fake bomb the to knocked out guard. i thought it was an actuale bomb, but it made me wonder where they got another bomb since they used the only one they had on the front door.

This is one of the episodes that dosn't seem to be relitave to the manga series, also i was curios to wonder if it were a stand alone episode or a complex episode.

[Nameless]

I'm wondering about the chic. What kind of relationship did they have? Did the old ape jump her bones or what?

(I cracked up when they showed the guard nodding off on the job. I was waiting for slobber to drool outta his mouth.)

[Old Ape Face]

i think Arimaki was just freinds with her, afer all she was in the wine bussnes, apaerently they make good money.

[Shinjuku]

I'm wondering about the chic. What kind of relationship did they have? Did the old ape jump her bones or what?

(I cracked up when they showed the guard nodding off on the job. I was waiting for slobber to drool outta his mouth.)

Looked to me like they were interested in being more than friends. One of his comments hinted that he was just trying to take things slow.

[Nameless]

I think she was involved with him and he rejected her after she got a new body.

Maybe that pissed him off and he needs time to get over it.

[spawn]

also i was curios to wonder if it were a stand alone episode or a complex episode.

it was a stand alone episode

i can explain this whole concept to you since you havent figured it out yet.....

[Old Ape Face]

nah i just havn't seen enough episodes to understand the concepts, the only info i know the most on is the book.

[KuNg FooL]

Hey, I'm too lazy to read this whole thing, so I don't know if the subject was touched or not, but I was just wondering if ANYBODY else saw Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence and actually understood it. It was hard enough to understand part 1, I had to see it a couple of times but I really did like it and understood it better the second time. Now I just recently saw part 2 and I was completely confused about everything. Am I missing something? Was there another movie or episode or anything that would have made it any easier for me to understand? There was also so many quote battles, and those were all the kind you'd have to pause and think about for a few minutes just to be able to move on to the next one. I mean I loved the visuals, and the parts with action were pretty cool, but the story was just so far beyond me that it made it seem kind of pointless. Anybody else have this problem?

[Retro]

No, I enjoyed Innocence a lot. So much I saw it in the theater 3 times. Haven't seen it on DVD yet though. I understood the plot, what happened the second time I saw it, and the third time, I just soaked in the eye candy.

I suggest getting all of GitS, the mangas, and the series, Stand Alone Complex. I can recall only the original manga (original movie is much like the manga but different in parts) and movie having any tie ins to Innocence. Tie ins I see is the relationship between Major and Batou. Innocence's main character focus is on Batou. The more you watch it the more you put the puzzles of the film togother , espeically in the manison. The first time I saw it I was so lost I had to see it again 2 days later. :) I like to think of Innocence as a dream.

[Shinjuku]

Hey, I'm too lazy to read this whole thing, so I don't know if the subject was touched or not, but I was just wondering if ANYBODY else saw Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence and actually understood it. It was hard enough to understand part 1, I had to see it a couple of times but I really did like it and understood it better the second time. Now I just recently saw part 2 and I was completely confused about everything. Am I missing something? Was there another movie or episode or anything that would have made it any easier for me to understand? There was also so many quote battles, and those were all the kind you'd have to pause and think about for a few minutes just to be able to move on to the next one. I mean I loved the visuals, and the parts with action were pretty cool, but the story was just so far beyond me that it made it seem kind of pointless. Anybody else have this problem?

I'm sure a lot of people don't get it. Most of the reviews I have read consider it to be a better movie then the first. I understood the 2nd movie the first time I saw it but it definately wasn't supposed to be easy to understand. The first movie took me longer. You just need to understand the philosphy better to get it. You don't need to see any of the series but watching it and the first movie may eventually help you understand. The hardest part to understand about the second movie is that some of the battles that took place were throught the eyes of somone who's vision was hacked into. So what you 1st saw was just a trick. That person was tricked into shooting themselves but what they saw was somone else shooting them.

As far as the plot goes basically some girls were kidnapped and their ghost or spirit whatever you want to call it was copied and put into the geisha dolls to make them more life like and desirable. One of the people doing this work didn't approve so they deliberately inserted a glitch into the ghost copies that would get Section 9 involved. That glitch was the dolls murdered their clients then themselves once section 9 was observing.

[KuNg FooL]

hehe Wow, that definitley helped. I wish I understood it that clearly while I watched it. I know I kinda complained about all the exchanges of quotes between the characters, but I did enjoy their philosophical meanings and points. I just felt like I was supposed to know more than I did to understand what was going on. I mean imagine watching The Matrix Revolutions without ever having seen Reloaded or the original. You'd just be like "ok, this LOOKS pretty cool, but what the hell is going on?"

[Old Ape Face]

does anyone know the adress to where Section 9 HQ is? i've been wonder this for a while i know it's in Newport city but i don't know the street adress. i'm just curious, i don't think Masamune mentions it.

[yangster]

I really have no clue what the address is.

Nice sig old ape face.

[Old Ape Face]

thanks, just expressing my GITS fandom. :D

rarly do i ever see anime on Adult swim sware, but last night i heard the word ***** on GITS, i'm not complaining but it felt a bit odd to here such a conotated word spoken, i see swears all the time in the manga but this was the first i've heard it from SAC.

[yangster]

They said *****? I need to listen better but it's probably because I was half asleep.

[Old Ape Face]

yep, and i was shoked to here it too.

[Lancaster]

There must be, like, one guy at LMF doing all the fansubbing work for 2nd GIG, at the rate the episodes are coming out.

[Susano]

I must of been far too tired that night; I don't remember them saying that.

Lancaster,

Well, if I remeber correctly from the guys description of how he does the subs, I believe it is only one, maybe two people working on the entire series.

[Lancaster]

Well, if I remeber correctly from the guys description of how he does the subs, I believe it is only one, maybe two people working on the entire series.
In that case, I should commend them for the quality of their work - the subs are really quite good. With dialogue as complex as 2nd GIG's, I'd rather they took their time and got it right. I find it a bit odd, though, that they haven't been able to recruit more folks into helping out.

[Shinjuku]

yep, and i was shoked to here it too.

I remember hearing that too. Not sure what episode. I finally got the manga and I noticed that they curse and joke around a lot more in it. When I purchased it there were all these explicit adult content stickers on it and they acted like I was buying porn at the register.

[spawn]

its been awhile since a complex episode aired

those were a bit more interesting

[Old Ape Face]

I remember hearing that too. Not sure what episode. I finally got the manga and I noticed that they curse and joke around a lot more in it. When I purchased it there were all these explicit adult content stickers on it and they acted like I was buying porn at the register.

in a way it is, but there is a lot more political and fighting and others stuff than nudidy, it's not bad concidering what i've heard about others.

i think the resent episodes are being more baced on the book, becuase the one where i heard the girl say ***** in reminded me of one of the chapters in the manga, btw that was last weaks episode.

[Old Ape Face]

i just got MMI, and man is it tough, the graphics are unbelivable and the story is already getting confusing. :D i like it.

[Shinjuku]

the story is already getting confusing.

Just the way I like it. Is any of the material from MMI in the 2nd gig?

[Old Ape Face]

i don't know i never saw the movie, but it's totaly different form the origanol graphic novel

[Shinjuku]

I meant SAC 2nd Gig.

[Old Ape Face]

oh, MMI is nothing compaired to SAC nor the origanol GITS, it has a completely did line of characters, and the setting is put far away from the same Newport Metrpolis seting than in SAC and the origanol manga, Motoko's name is changed and, Section 9 is not in exsistance, there are not fuchi or tachikoma's, there is no Batou, not Togusa, it's like all the stuff that happend in the origanol never even exissted before, except about the point at the end of the first volume.

[Susano]

Well, the first GITS manga does have a rather explicit lesbian sex scene in it. MMI also contains a large amount of nudity as well as a small panel of naughty tentacle sex. It's nothing as graphic as Shirow's Galgrease series, but does show hints of Shirow pervereted nature. Actually, Section 9 does make an appearance MMI, but it's primarily about Motoko Aramaki.

[Shinjuku]

Isn't Motoko Aramaki the person created after Motoko and the Puppetmaster joined together? From what I read section 9 exists they just aren't in the story because Motoko goes off on her own.

[Shinjuku]

Speaking of Shirow's perversion I just noticed on page 19 of the 1st manga that Saito has porn pinned up in the inside of his van while he cheerfully reads a magazine,(probably more porn) and Motoko is smiling while she peeks at him through the window. Its easy to miss at first but once you notice it, its pretty blatant. Very sneeky of him.

[Old Ape Face]

you no that's the first time i'v noticed it, but how can you tell it's porn? i mean it's blocked by his head, it might not be porn.



dam MMI is weired, the first half of the book is entirly in color then, it goes into black and white for a couple of pages, then back to color, then back to B&W then it gose to off white and off black, then it gose to coloring like you'd see in the first book, then the back ground would get B&W while the vehicals, and characters are in color,arrgg it gets realy annoying, i'm not so much paying much atention to the art and more onto the reading but it's still driving me nuts, makes me want to call Shirow up and say MAKE UP YOUR GOD DAM MIND. i'm not pissed off it's just realy random.
Well, the first GITS manga does have a rather explicit lesbian sex scene in it. MMI also contains a large amount of nudity as well as a small panel of naughty tentacle sex. It's nothing as graphic as Shirow's Galgrease series, but does show hints of Shirow pervereted nature. Actually, Section 9 does make an appearance MMI, but it's primarily about Motoko Aramaki.

yeah i'v goten to the part where they mention section 9 and something about Batou but nothing more than that so far

[Shinjuku]

you no that's the first time i'v noticed it, but how can you tell it's porn? i mean it's blocked by his head, it might not be porn.


Thats what I thought at first too. One of the pin ups just shows a womens head, but if you look above it there is a pin up mounted on the roof with legs spread wide buck naked. Once you see it you'll wonder how you missed it.

[Old Ape Face]

:lol: wow thanks for the info,

[Bama Zulu]

I just got to the part with the lesbian scene. Very explicit.

[Old Ape Face]

wait till GITS MMI

[yangster]

What's MMI? I think I should get the manga now. Which ones should I get cuz I heard there were different versions?

[Old Ape Face]

there are only two coherent volume, thers the origanol GITS second edition by dark horse, and MMI witch is man machine interface, it's the sequal and is also by dark horse,

[yangster]

Ok thanks. Are these the right covers? 2nd edition (http://www.*********.com/items/2005-02/08/large/dhgn1593072287.jpg) and MMI (http://www.*********.com/images/large_images/DHGN159307204X.jpg). Just want to make sure.

[Shinjuku]

Your links aren't working for me. If they are in english and have those titles then I'm sure you have the right ones. Only the Japanese manga has an edited version that you wan to avoid.

[Retro]

Your links r not working for me either. one way to tell the GitS manga you are looking at is to look at what year it was published. the orginal GitS was published a ways back, the new revised edition ( i have yet to get it myself) is more recent, at 2004 or 2005. MMI is tickling my curiosity. gonna have to pick it up next week.

[Susano]

This (http://www.animenation.com/dh-10-029.html) is the first GITS manga which is the 2nd edition by Dark Horse. (The first edition that Dasrk Horse released had the lesbian sex scene removed.) And this (http://www.animenation.com/dh-13-288.html) is the MMI trade. The links weren't working for you because you were linking to forbidden seller (we can't link to various on-line sellers now due to new rules on the forums.)

Shinjuku,

I'm not sure what yah mean by an edited Japanese version. The only edited version of any GITS manga was the original release of GITS by Dark Horse, like Retro said. Otherwise, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Unless you're talking about the Ghost Solid Box (aka short cut edition) and standard edition of MMI.

[Old Ape Face]

is MMI edited in anyway cuase i think Shirow left things out that make the story seem to not fit together right.

[Shinjuku]

Shinjuku,

I'm not sure what yah mean by an edited Japanese version. The only edited version of any GITS manga was the original release of GITS by Dark Horse, like Retro said. Otherwise, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Unless you're talking about the Ghost Solid Box (aka short cut edition) and standard edition of MMI.

The edited version I was talking about was the original release of the 1st manga. I thought that was only released in Japan but I may be wrong.

is MMI edited in anyway cuase i think Shirow left things out that make the story seem to not fit together right.

No its not, a lot of people have mentioned that its like a bunch of random ideas that were never fully developed.

[yangster]

Thanks for the help guys. Now I just need to save a bit of money since there like $25 each.

[Old Ape Face]

so Motoko Arimaki is an upgraded version of Motoko Kusanagi but they're te same person right? becuase she still has some esence of Kusanagi in her, even though she dosn't refert to her.

and what's up with the end, it looks like there is potential for anothe sequal but i'm not sure.

[reki]

so Motoko Arimaki is an upgraded version of Motoko Kusanagi but they're te same person right? becuase she still has some esence of Kusanagi in her, even though she dosn't refert to her.

and what's up with the end, it looks like there is potential for anothe sequal but i'm not sure.

Here's my theory on that. I think that in MMI, there are many versions or descendants of the union of the original motoko kusanagi and the puppeteer. There may have been more, but we are only seeing some of them. I think we have Motoko Arimaki, Motoko Kusanagi, Spica, Antares, Millenium, Tamaki...Towards the end of MMI where the Arimaki one is talking with Spica and Antares, they refer to her as Motoko 11. They also talk about fusion throughout the book, and in a conversation Arimaki has with Antares about her multiple consciousness coalescing into a unified one, Arimaki comments that "I can recognize reality quite reliably now. For example I can now reconcile as a mere "experience" the fact that I was once a piano teacher in a small music school for seven years." At the end of the book Spica asks Arimaki if she's not interested in fusion than beat it cause she was busy, then Arimaki asks her if she'll experience the same problem that Spica had. So its like they recognize each other as copies/descendents/siblings? I also feel they are at various "evolution" levels too. It looked like at the very end the Arimaki version with Tamaki were evolving to another way of reproducing their Ghosts maybe?

Anyway, just speculation on my part. Very complex story in MMI. :eek:

[reki]

I found all four episodes to very good in this volume. The first and second gave some more character to Arimaki and the clever thinking that goes on in the head of section nine. I liked how he bossed around the thieves in episode 17, and the hint that there was an unrequited romance or some such thing there. It softened the old ape face up. I think it gave the Major an insight also. Episodes 18 and 19 were well constructed plots with good action scenarios, and I'll say the best of the lot was episode 20 where the laughing man case reaapears with Togusa taking the lead... but oh, I have to wait two months now as it leaves us hanging!

In episode 20 there is a scene of the Major standing on a ledge, talking to Togusa (who is safely back in on the building). She looks great with the wind buffeting her hair back, and as she's talking she does this little piroutte to face Togusa (mind you a step in three directions and she falls off the building). She walks a beam back towards Togusa, talking, leans against the wall talking, and then upon finishing up their conversation she does this very cool flip back onto the building. This whole scene makes me wonder if women that look that sexy and still act so coy, even flirtatious, could really get the respect she gets. Mind you, I think being a cyborg releases you of some of those human fears, like heights, and the fact that she is stronger than your average human with replaceable parts yet, plays into her role, though there are times where she shows something bothering her in a very humanistic way. Sometimes I think its a little dominatrix like, because no matter how she's dressed, she could still beat you up. In any case, her stance out on that ledge was sexy, and powerful or should I say ... fearless?
:naughty: :w00t:

[yangster]

I agree with you there about Major but I'm just waiting for ep. 21 to air on AS soon. I want to know what happens to...........you know who I'm talking about if you've seen ep. 20.

[Old Ape Face]

Here's my theory on that. I think that in MMI, there are many versions or descendants of the union of the original motoko kusanagi and the puppeteer. There may have been more, but we are only seeing some of them. I think we have Motoko Arimaki, Motoko Kusanagi, Spica, Antares, Millenium, Tamaki...Towards the end of MMI where the Arimaki one is talking with Spica and Antares, they refer to her as Motoko 11. They also talk about fusion throughout the book, and in a conversation Arimaki has with Antares about her multiple consciousness coalescing into a unified one, Arimaki comments that "I can recognize reality quite reliably now. For example I can now reconcile as a mere "experience" the fact that I was once a piano teacher in a small music school for seven years." At the end of the book Spica asks Arimaki if she's not interested in fusion than beat it cause she was busy, then Arimaki asks her if she'll experience the same problem that Spica had. So its like they recognize each other as copies/descendents/siblings? I also feel they are at various "evolution" levels too. It looked like at the very end the Arimaki version with Tamaki were evolving to another way of reproducing their Ghosts maybe?

Anyway, just speculation on my part. Very complex story in MMI. :eek:


i'll say, i could pick out a few, parts but it was like one thing went into another and apeared as though the previos event never happened. and as for the ending i think ther's room form a third volume.

[Old Ape Face]

I found all four episodes to very good in this volume. The first and second gave some more character to Arimaki and the clever thinking that goes on in the head of section nine. I liked how he bossed around the thieves in episode 17, and the hint that there was an unrequited romance or some such thing there. It softened the old ape face up. I think it gave the Major an insight also. Episodes 18 and 19 were well constructed plots with good action scenarios, and I'll say the best of the lot was episode 20 where the laughing man case reaapears with Togusa taking the lead... but oh, I have to wait two months now as it leaves us hanging!

In episode 20 there is a scene of the Major standing on a ledge, talking to Togusa (who is safely back in on the building). She looks great with the wind buffeting her hair back, and as she's talking she does this little piroutte to face Togusa (mind you a step in three directions and she falls off the building). She walks a beam back towards Togusa, talking, leans against the wall talking, and then upon finishing up their conversation she does this very cool flip back onto the building. This whole scene makes me wonder if women that look that sexy and still act so coy, even flirtatious, could really get the respect she gets. Mind you, I think being a cyborg releases you of some of those human fears, like heights, and the fact that she is stronger than your average human with replaceable parts yet, plays into her role, though there are times where she shows something bothering her in a very humanistic way. Sometimes I think its a little dominatrix like, because no matter how she's dressed, she could still beat you up. In any case, her stance out on that ledge was sexy, and powerful or should I say ... fearless?
:naughty: :w00t:



i just saw that episode tonight.

[Retro]

Also, keep in mind Motoko can always be repaired. If she were to fall off the ledge, there'd be no doubt S9 would fix her right up. You could say Motoko has 99,999,999 lives...

[Old Ape Face]

even if she fell i dought any internal machanics would be damaged, infact, i'ed expect the ground to break from her weight, her weight is about 1500 ibs. to at least 2 tons.

[Shinjuku]

even if she fell i dought any internal machanics would be damaged, infact, i'ed expect the ground to break from her weight, her weight is about 1500 ibs. to at least 2 tons.

Really? So if she sat on your lap she might kill you? Sheesh no wonder they worry about cybors going sea diving.

[Retro]

If Motoko is that heavy, Imagine Batou. O_O <- Eyes exactly like Batou's :)

[Old Ape Face]

Really? So if she sat on your lap she might kill you? Sheesh no wonder they worry about cybors going sea diving.

actually with a prostedic body like Motoko's she could literaly do anything better than even a high class cyborg, includeing swimming, you got to read the book to fully understand Shirow's world.

[yangster]

Just in case if your wandering when 2nd gig would be released, it's going to be released right after vol. 7 on 9/27/05. I got this info from AoD (http://www.animeondvd.com/reviews2/disc_reviews/4053.php).

[Old Ape Face]

i got a question, in MMI Shirow explians about the world of IT what dose IT stand for?

my geuss is Intelegent technology

[Shinjuku]

IT stands for Information Technology.

[yangster]

Who watched last night's episode? At first I thought Motoko was going to get smashed up but then right when she got that sniper, she was scary. I actually thought she was going to kill that dude or maybe she will.

[Old Ape Face]

oh **** i missed it last night, dam, but they way you describe it it sounds like an episode from the manga where Motoko is tied up and looks like she's gona get shot in the head, but then togusa comes out of no where and pops him in the chest, whlie motoko's screaming at him to not hit the head. then later she asks if he realy thought she was gona die. but IMO i doubt it becuase her face is metal.

[yangster]

It's sort of like that but not really. Too bad you missed that episode, it was really good.

[Nameless]

Who watched last night's episode? At first I thought Motoko was going to get smashed up but then right when she got that sniper, she was scary. I actually thought she was going to kill that dude or maybe she will.


That episode was so GITS. The armour suit (thermoptic) near the car and there part were he palmed her head was a serious flash back moment.

Now that's the Motoko I been waiting for.

You thiink Togusa's memories kicked in?

I swear I hate Togusa's wife. She's a freakin' Stepford wife.

[ffl]

It was either Togusa's memory or one of her own... or maybe she was just pissed at that guy for roughing her up and the other memories just made her even more pissed.:P

With a rifle that powerful, that guy's either dead or really messed up now. I don't remember if she aimed for his head or not though. If she didn't, then the guy might still be alive; if she did, he's dead.

[R Kenshin]

I loved it. That part was simply brilliant.
The womans face as she piled into that man with the rifile

The mans terrified look

And last, The way the music tied everything toghether so well.

i was on the edge of the couch just in awe.

[Lancaster]

It was either Togusa's memory or one of her own... or maybe she was just pissed at that guy for roughing her up and the other memories just made her even more pissed.:P
It's safe to say she was very pissed. Remember the episode where she's put in a headlock by one of the Marcelo Jarti clones? She let out this almost primal shriek of rage and then laid the smack down. It seems that she gets quite angry whenever someone is physically dominating her.

[yangster]

I think it was Togusa's memory and her rage when she got her head smashed onto the concrete. I'm pretty sure that dude in the armor thing is still alive since before the end he was still screaming to get out.

[Shinjuku]

oh **** i missed it last night, dam, but they way you describe it it sounds like an episode from the manga where Motoko is tied up and looks like she's gona get shot in the head, but then togusa comes out of no where and pops him in the chest, whlie motoko's screaming at him to not hit the head. then later she asks if he realy thought she was gona die. but IMO i doubt it becuase her face is metal.

Damn you missed a really good episode. I had deja vu for a minute that reminded me of the first movie when the tank was smashing Motokos head and all the sudden an anti-tank round hits it. In this episode Motoko was pumping anti-tank rounds into this guys armored suit at point blank range. But it just dented his armor and made it hard for him to breathe so he begs for her to stop. Better catch the replay later this week. You really don't wanna miss the next episodes.

[master terrence]

for some reason I prefer ghost in a shell from 1995, has anyone seen it...

[yangster]

Of course we've had (the ones that always talk about GitS).

[Shinjuku]

for some reason I prefer ghost in a shell from 1995, has anyone seen it...

Maybe because its a movie so they tend to have more time to animate it then they do on the tight schedule that they have when animating and writing a series.

[Retro]

:sob: where's the GitS series specific?? *sniff* we really need one so we are not restricted to one thread. I'm claustrophobic.

[Shinjuku]

I know it seems like such an obvious choice for a series specific thread.

[Old Ape Face]

yeah too bad they removed it, god only knows why.

[Sato]

Yea, saturday nights episode was a good one, I can't wait for next week. >.<

[Retro]

Right after GitS: SAC, we're getting 2nd gig right off the bat 2 months after vol.7 of SAC. Can't wait. Masamune has blessed us with such a incredible vision.

[Susano]

Actually, I kind of prefer this thread for GITS. I found the series specific forum of it to be run mostly by inane questions like who was cooler or who could kick's who's butt. At least in this thread, the discussions have been intelligent and related to the topic at hand.

I must agree about this past weeks episode. Number 21 was terrific and I really love the armored suit in the ending of the show. It actually was very similar to ones Shirow made for his Appleseed series, even down to the wearer's arms hanging outside the suit and moving in conjuntion with the suit's arms.

Oh, and you might want to check Animenation's news section: Bandai announced that they'll be releasing a Special Edition version of the Innocence music collection that also includes the OST to the movie. It's deffinitely a great way to won the OST without paying the high prices for the import soundtrack.

[Old Ape Face]

yeah but i still wana post the who's better Fushi or Tachikoma thread in the specifics :P

[Retro]

yeah but i still wana post the who's better Fushi or Tachikoma thread in the specifics :P

And many more. It'd be so much better than this thread. I fear we will be posting in this same thread when we get and finish 2nd gig. :)

[yangster]

We can try to revive the "What do you want in the Specific Series Forum" thread or make a new one, since it was because of that thread we had some anime added to the SS forum.

[Old Ape Face]

i just noticed an interesting add in the GITS manga origanol graphic novel, on page 167 where Motoko is walking throu Bertarve city, there's a billbored that says
News Flash:
Appleseed
and Orion
Collections
availible from
Dark Hourse...
intron Depot 1
Art book
on sale...

what a way to addvertise for a book in the real world :lol:

[yangster]

That's funny. I thought Geneon had Appleseed or do they have the manga?

[Old Ape Face]

Dark hourse is the manga publisher for Ghost in the shell, and applseed is another series by Shirow, dont for get the origanle GITS manga is over ten years old. and applseed was first published in 1985 by Seishinsha, as well as Dominion, making Dominion and applseed older than GITS buy 5-6 years, so that artical might be not only a coincedence but it's very old too.

[Susano]

Yup, OAF is speaking of the manga, Appleseed. (Which is essentially OOP through Dark Horse. Hopefully, they'll get permission to do a rerelease sometime soon since I never had the chance to buy the US versions.) Geneon has the movie distrobution rights while CMX has the anim manga distrobution rights (coming out in May as I recall.)

In other Shirow anime news, a second Appleseed movie is in the works along with a TV series. The movie and TV series is referred to as the Poseiden Project and will bring together Micott & Basara, Lion Rock Productions and Axis Entertainment along with some form of involvement with John Woo (yes, that John Woo.) Though, it's not being said how much involvement John Woo will actually have with the project.

OAF,

You'll also see the Puma sisters of Dominion Tank Police and Dominion Conflict hawking used goods in the first GITS manga. ^_^

[Old Ape Face]

oh you mean the scene where fuchikoma steals a memory module? and the girl plus out a huge gun. :lol: i love that part.

[Old Ape Face]

i looked at that real life gundam thread, and i was thinking, the world of IT as advanced as GITS would come sooner than a fully operational full scale Gundam.

on the science descovery chanle i saw this guy who was put in a hospital and was perilised throughout his body, and science made a huge descovery, they tried an experment where they hooked a computer to his spinal cord, and he actually moved the curser of the mouse with his mind.
Parilised man hooked to a computer (http://www.sciencentral.com/articles/view.php3?article_id=218392496&cat=1_4)

[yangster]

I think it'll be a lot easier to make a armor suit, that was in ep. 21, than making a real life gundam.

[R Kenshin]

Hey does anyone have a moment?

I want to find some very awesome GITS wallpapers. I was hoping someone could give some links to some really awesome stuff like that.

Also i found a pic that I would love to be a wallpaper. It is the cover of the GTS stand alone complex ost.

GIT

[R Kenshin]

crap image did not come out. Man i suck at this forum thing.

[Batman]

You mean:

http://www.groberunfug.de/unfug/unfuggrafiken/japan/anime_cd_soundtracks/ghost-shell-sac-VICL-61231.jpg

you need the picture uploaded to webspace then input the URL into the tags. Good luck finding that pic as a wallpaper, I couldn't and you can't simply blow it up in PS you ruin the aspect ratio and it will look all pixelated.

As for wallpapers, well this (http://www.animewallpapers.com/wallpapers/standalone/) site has a few but I found my latest gits wallpaper just doing a google img search. Can be found here (http://img225.echo.cx/img225/7664/kusanagimotoko23qy.jpg) . I have to say this is my fav gits:sac wallpaper to date.

[R Kenshin]

Dang son. Wel thanks for all your help. Yes that is the picture and thanks for giving me tips on putting that up. You are right if I blew it up then I would look at pixelated and such.

[yangster]

I found one for you that uses the cover as a background but it isn't that clear. Here. (http://www.impulsiveartists.com/wallpaper/ghost/ghost03_800.jpg)

[Batman]

Forbiden :uhh: I would love to see how this looks. BTW 404 >.<

[Old Ape Face]

i got one and i must say this is a little graphic Here (http://photobucket.com/albums/v648/Oldapeface/?action=view&current=ghost_in_the_shell01_1024x768.jp g)

[yangster]

Forbiden :uhh: I would love to see how this looks. BTW 404 >.<
I guess you couldn't see the pic. Right? Try this (http://www.impulsiveartists.com/wallpaper/ghost/index.shtml) way.

[Old Ape Face]

if trying to find Shirow's other manga series Applseed, and Dominion. i found applseed, but Dominion isn't even in the shop catalog of AN, has it stopped publishing or something?

[Batman]

I'm pretty sure Dominion is out of print.

[Susano]

Hmm, I didn't know animenation still had some of the appleseed trades. That's cool.

I would suggest visiting Dark Horse's website. Do a search for Shirow and go from there. Pretty much all of Shirow's english manga versions are OOP except for Gits and MMI, but some stores still sell the other titles.

Otherwise, PM me if you need other links and suggestions. Aside from Gits Appleseed (there's four titles), and Dominion, there's Orion, Dominion Conflict, Appleseed Hypernotes (only found in certain Super Manga Blast issues), Gun Dancing (Japanese only), Pile Up (Japanese only), Gits 1.5 (Japanese only but available to purchase from animenation), two Galgrease series (six poster booklet collections and you will most likely need to be an adult to purchase them- extremely graphic sexual situations- don't get if you dislike naughty tentacle sex/ bugs/ anthrapamorphic animals), and four Intron Depot artbooks.

[Old Ape Face]

did that but all they have are Pre Release articals from 1996, and yeah Applseed is still on the dimestic manga list.

[reki]

Hey Yangster, like the new avie... My latest favorite cool motoko move! Make that yourself?

[Osaka Sakaki]

i dont know which episode it was but last one was pretty awesome.

[Shinjuku]

I would suggest visiting Dark Horse's website. Do a search for Shirow and go from there. Pretty much all of Shirow's english manga versions are OOP except for Gits and MMI, but some stores still sell the other titles.

Thanks I have been looking for these other titles for a while and for some reason it never dawned on me to visit dark horse.

[yangster]

Hey Yangster, like the new avie... My latest favorite cool motoko move! Make that yourself?

Damn, I thought I already posted a thread about my avie yesterday and I'm pretty sure that I did. O well, no I didn't make the avie, Levon did.

[Lancaster]

2nd GIG #20 is out, out, out!

And it's awesome. This series just keeps getting better and better. I'm sad though because I doubt there'll be another series after 2nd GIG, and it's by far one of the most intriguing shows I've ever seen, along with the original SAC. Such smooth political and psychological drama don't come along every day.

[spawn]

damn this show is so amazing......its one of those few shows with very little flaws, and one that really makes you think.....

if only it would never end.......

[yangster]

Where are you guys finding these episodes? PM me the site plz.

[Retro]

Wow, sounds like Oshii's involvement with 2nd Gig is really paying off. I would be surprised if we don't see another GitS series in the next few years, something different from Standalone Complex, but probably similar, with the villian being different, or a whole season of standalone episodes... or the other way around, or whatever they bestow upon us GitS cyberpunks. GitS: SAC is the best selling anime series ever in the united states, I think. so to not bank on that would be surprisning..

[Lancaster]

Wow, sounds like Oshii's involvement with 2nd Gig is really paying off. I would be surprised if we don't see another GitS series in the next few years, something different from Standalone Complex, but probably similar, with the villian being different, or a whole season of standalone episodes... or the other way around, or whatever they bestow upon us GitS cyberpunks. GitS: SAC is the best selling anime series ever in the united states, I think. so to not bank on that would be surprisning..
Man, I hope you're right. I mean, SAC and 2nd GIG have just been phenomenal, IMO, and I want to believe that such quality can be sustained through more series, but I don't want to be disappointed.

[Shinjuku]

2nd GIG #20 is out, out, out!

And it's awesome. This series just keeps getting better and better. I'm sad though because I doubt there'll be another series after 2nd GIG, and it's by far one of the most intriguing shows I've ever seen, along with the original SAC. Such smooth political and psychological drama don't come along every day.

I've found all the 2nd gig episodes except for 23 and 24 so I've held off on watching 25 and 26. But the LMF ones are higher quality.

[Old Ape Face]

dang i missed the last three episodes :crybaby:

[Retro]

Is Gits 2: Innocence getting a SE treatment? Saw a listing for it at triple D.

[Milky Mixer]

Is Gits 2: Innocence getting a SE treatment? Saw a listing for it at triple D.

That's the Innocence music video collection that Bandai is putting out.

[Susano]

Yup, that's what Bandai's releasing. Basically, it's a music video collection with a special edition version that comes with the official OST. Otherwise, the content of the DVD is clips from the Innocence movie set to music (only about 40 minutes long.)

[douglasdanger]

Is it ok to ask about torrents here? I would really like torrents for the first season of SAC.

[yangster]

^It is not ok to ask for torrents that are already licensed.

[Retro]

Yeah, just Google it, that's what I'd do.

[douglasdanger]

Sadly, I cant use BT here, so I will have to look for them towards the end of May.

Next week's ep on Cartoon Network Saturday night/sunday morning at 12AM/0000EST sounds awesome. I think it is episode 25, aftersection 9 is attacked and the members go underground. That was this week's ep. Next week, Batou goes to meet the Major at her house, and winds up fighting a bunch of soldiers.

[Corrupt678]

Hi guys,
I need help finding a GITS wallpaper. I've looked everywhere for it.
Its basically this picturehttp://sawahata.com/kyosuke/blog/050108_koukaku_2nd.jpg
except in better resolution and in 1024x768.

If you guys can help me find it, I give you many thanks.

[xFANCY_MOOSEx]

Well, I just watched the last ep, and I wanted to ask the guys who also read Catcher in the Rye this question

Okay, I know this is regular TV, but what do you think they'll do about the F*CK YOU in the last ep, when The Major had her hand on the rail. In the book, this was a pivotal scene that explains that Holden can't protect everyone, the same with the Laughing Man. Also, do you think people who didn't read the book will understand it?

[Shinjuku]

Well, I just watched the last ep, and I wanted to ask the guys who also read Catcher in the Rye this question

Okay, I know this is regular TV, but what do you think they'll do about the F*CK YOU in the last ep, when The Major had her hand on the rail. In the book, this was a pivotal scene that explains that Holden can't protect everyone, the same with the Laughing Man. Also, do you think people who didn't read the book will understand it?

At that time Aramaki is doing the protecting not Motoko. I have only read part of the book but I have seen the whole series. Reading the book might make you come to the wrong conclusion since the ideas from the book only explain what the Laughing Man, and later what Section 9 want others to think about their dissapearance. In the previous episodes Togusa explains that the quote on the Laughing Man logo is incomplete and he tells Motoko the rest of the quote which doesn't appear in the Catcher in the Rye. The reality of Section 9 and the Laughing Man's actions relate to the second part of the quote, which indicates that the Catcher in the Rye ideas are just a cover up. That hopelessness that everyone can't be protected is just the sentiment that Aramaki and the Laughing Man want others to think so they aren't pursued.

[Lancaster]

Just wanted to point folks to an interesting review of SAC that I ran across:

http://www.anime-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=64292

One thing I liked was how s/he highlighted the fluid fight scenes and the usage of classical instrumentation in the music. These are things that we can take for granted without realizing it.