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Ishiyumi
November 22nd, 2004, 06:58 AM
What if Kyuubi somehow escaped, would any of the current ninja be able to stop him. I'm pretty sure only the 3rd and the 4th were the only ones who knew about the sealing technique.

Punnchy
November 22nd, 2004, 07:25 AM
Jiriyama knows about the technigue, remeber when he undid the charka control seal that oro put on Naruto to slow him down?? Him and maybee the fifth Hokage, but that would be about it.

Haruhi
November 22nd, 2004, 07:30 AM
Jiraiya knew about it. That doesn't mean he knew how to do it.

Ishiyumi
November 22nd, 2004, 07:32 AM
I'm pretty sure he doesn't know how to do it. Also I'm pretty sure that what Jiraiya did to Naruto isn't that special, since Kakashi did a similar thing to Sasuke(kinda).

Brill
November 22nd, 2004, 08:34 AM
Well that's what this series is leading upto, isn't it? At some point the seal will be broken and Naruto will be consumed by the Kyuubi. The question is will he be able to overcome the kyuubi and who will be the one to "wake him up". That's the formulaic scenario, but Naruto has managed to stay fresh considering the average plot-lines. Only time will tell.

Squangos
November 22nd, 2004, 09:53 AM
Shikamaru could theoretically stop Kyuubi (For about five minutes.). Kagemane no Jutsu works on massive fox demons with immense amounts of Chakra, right? I mean, he stopped Garaa, didn't he? That's pretty similar, isn't it?
Who knows, maybe Itachi knows it. Sacrificing himself would really annoy Sasuke, wouldn't it?

Brill
November 22nd, 2004, 11:07 AM
But, then I would counter with Naruto within Haku's ice-mirror prison. The average Naruto was beatened to a pulp by Haku's spell while the "possessed" Naruto was impervious to his attacks and ultimately destroys the prison. I would wager if Gara or Naruto had transformed into their monster forms that the Konoha Shadow techniques would be useless on them.

Gaizokubanou
November 22nd, 2004, 12:57 PM
Jiriyama knows about the technigue, remeber when he undid the charka control seal that oro put on Naruto to slow him down?? Him and maybee the fifth Hokage, but that would be about it.

But that doesn't mean too much since Oro also did his little trick with the seal.

Squangos
November 23rd, 2004, 06:31 AM
What about Jiraiya's Swamp of the Underworld (Can't remember the Japanese name...)? That could probably slow Kyuubi down a bit…

Ishiyumi
November 23rd, 2004, 09:41 AM
Maybe if Oro revived the 4th... but that probably wouldn't work (somehow)

venom112
November 23rd, 2004, 05:47 PM
Maybe if Oro revived the 4th... but that probably wouldn't work (somehow)
It probably wouldn't work because they aren't in the place where spirits hang around anymore and instead trapped within the stomach of the Death God.

Ken-Ohki
November 23rd, 2004, 08:27 PM
It probably wouldn't work because they aren't in the place where spirits hang around anymore and instead trapped within the stomach of the Death God.

actually, he almost revived the 4th anyway, Sarutobi had to keep him from being resurrected.

I imagine Jiraiya could slow Kyuubi enough for the other villagers to kill him. Good question though. I'm pretty certain toward the end (if not the last chapters) would be about Naruto having to face Kyuubi and finishing what his father couldn't. As Briwisc said it's pretty formulaic.

Gasaraki
November 23rd, 2004, 08:33 PM
well it might be more of an accepting fate and just learning to control him type of thing as well. As far as stereotypical shounen plots go anyway.

venom112
November 23rd, 2004, 09:42 PM
actually, he almost revived the 4th anyway, Sarutobi had to keep him from being resurrected.

Venom and his crazy mistakes. I forgot that Sarutobi was the 3rd Hokage. So let me bring up my chart instead...
1-3 hokages + Orochimaru's arm's essence = in Death God's stomach
4th hokage = spirit land. Hurray.

And now my previous statements make no sense. And the interesting chapter came to close that day.

twilight
November 23rd, 2004, 11:48 PM
Venom and his crazy mistakes. I forgot that Sarutobi was the 3rd Hokage. So let me bring up my chart instead...
1-3 hokages + Orochimaru's arm's essence = in Death God's stomach
4th hokage = spirit land. Hurray.

And now my previous statements make no sense. And the interesting chapter came to close that day.

Shouldn't the 4th's soul also be trapped in the Death God's stomach since the 4th sacrificed himself using the sealing technique just like the 3rd did? Unless maybe the soul of the person who used the technique isn't actually sealed, just sacrificed. But if that's the case, then the 3rd's soul wouldn't be sealed either. Either way, the 3rd and 4th both died the same way, so their souls should be in the same place (where ever that is).

Of course, none of this really explains why when the 3rd used the technique people were trapped inside the Death God's stomach, but when the 4th used the technique Kyuubi was trapped in Naruto's stomach (instead of being trapped in the Death God's stomach with the user of the technique).

Gaizokubanou
November 24th, 2004, 02:00 AM
The technique that 4th used and 3rd used certainly look identical in terms of the marks they leave to the users and what they do etc., but there is a BIG difference.

3rd traped 1st, 2nd and oro's arm within himself.

4th traped Kyubi in Naruto, someone else.

Now there is that significant difference, so for all we know the wereabouts of 4th is totally in mystery.

Brill
November 24th, 2004, 08:40 AM
The technique that 4th used and 3rd used certainly look identical in terms of the marks they leave to the users and what they do etc., but there is a BIG difference.

3rd traped 1st, 2nd and oro's arm within himself.

4th traped Kyubi in Naruto, someone else.

Now there is that significant difference, so for all we know the wereabouts of 4th is totally in mystery.

Well we know that at least Kuo's spirit (if not body) is sealed in with the Kyuubi. Both Kakashi and Orochimaru have felt Kuo's presence/spirit when Naruto was in moments of extreme emotion/danger. It's implied that Kuo's spirit is essential in maintaining the seal of the Kyuubi, which is the real reason why Ororchimaru couldn't summone the 4th (my perosnal loony theory, otherwise the Kyuubi would have escaped). I think that's why the outcomes are different. The seal for the Kyyubi needs a living host to maintian it while the sealng of Orochimaru's powers does not.

Ken-Ohki
November 24th, 2004, 10:16 PM
Well we know that at least Kuo's spirit (if not body) is sealed in with the Kyuubi. Both Kakashi and Orochimaru have felt Kuo's presence/spirit when Naruto was in moments of extreme emotion/danger. It's implied that Kuo's spirit is essential in maintaining the seal of the Kyuubi, which is the real reason why Ororchimaru couldn't summone the 4th (my perosnal loony theory, otherwise the Kyuubi would have escaped). I think that's why the outcomes are different. The seal for the Kyyubi needs a living host to maintian it while the sealng of Orochimaru's powers does not.

wow, good insight. I wonder if the power level difference between the hokage's sealed by Saurtobi and the nine tails means the technique is only able to work on something of equivelent or lesser power unless a live host is used to continually contain the seal.

Kyuubi73
February 1st, 2007, 05:32 PM
Ok, if you think about it, no one could really stop Kyuubi if he were able to get loose. Yondaime was the strongest person in Konoha, and probably still would be if he was alive, and he had to resort to using the sealing technique. Obviously they would have to do that again, it would take ALOT to get rid of Kyuubi.

RamenBoy
February 1st, 2007, 05:43 PM
Wait, the Akatsuki leader knows how to do it doesnt he?

Rydis
February 1st, 2007, 05:57 PM
But, then I would counter with Naruto within Haku's ice-mirror prison. The average Naruto was beatened to a pulp by Haku's spell while the "possessed" Naruto was impervious to his attacks and ultimately destroys the prison. I would wager if Gara or Naruto had transformed into their monster forms that the Konoha Shadow techniques would be useless on them.

Kakashi also knew what was going on and pulled out a scroll to stop it. What was he trying to do?

cloudclone001
February 1st, 2007, 06:04 PM
Didn't Sasuke surpress the Kyuubis chakra, and can't Yamato do surpress it to. So in my opinion it would be one of those two and if either one of them did stop the kyuubi they would most likely sacrificing themselves to do so (Yamato because hes Narutos teacher, Sasuke because hes going to make up for running away and hurting Sakura and Naruto and because hes Narutos best friend and after that happens Naruto becomes Hokage and marries and has kids with Sakura or Hinata (if Neji doesnt get her first) and that will be the end of Naruto as we Know it).

Kakashi also knew what was going on and pulled out a scroll to stop it. What was he trying to do? The scroll was to summon those ninja dogs.

DarkNataku
February 2nd, 2007, 11:28 AM
^his talking about the fight with deidara and naruto.

LinaLoN
February 4th, 2007, 09:47 PM
When the third Hokagi was using the Death Seal thing, he mentioned that inorder to use it he has to sacrifice himself. His soul and the soul of the person trapped by the technique would be forever intertwined in an eternal battle inside the Grim Reaper.

So if the 4th Hokagi used the same technique on the Kyuubi but instead of sealing the spirit inside of himself, he sealed it inside of Naruto; does that mean the spirit of the 4th Hokagi was also sealed inside of Naruto? If Orichimaru's third revival had been successful would it had pulled the soul of the 4th from Naruto? Thus releasing the Kyuubi from the seal? Wow, imagine if that was true! Not only would Orichimaru would've killed the 3rd Hokagi but they would've also had to deal with a loose Kyuubi.

final flash
February 5th, 2007, 08:15 AM
well it is highly likely that the fourths spirit was eaten by the death God like the thirds was, however if this is not the case maybe his soul is sealed inside Naruto explaining why they are so similar

cloudclone001
February 5th, 2007, 05:56 PM
When the third Hokagi was using the Death Seal thing, he mentioned that inorder to use it he has to sacrifice himself. His soul and the soul of the person trapped by the technique would be forever intertwined in an eternal battle inside the Grim Reaper.

So if the 4th Hokagi used the same technique on the Kyuubi but instead of sealing the spirit inside of himself, he sealed it inside of Naruto; does that mean the spirit of the 4th Hokagi was also sealed inside of Naruto? If Orichimaru's third revival had been successful would it had pulled the soul of the 4th from Naruto? Thus releasing the Kyuubi from the seal? Wow, imagine if that was true! Not only would Orichimaru would've killed the 3rd Hokagi but they would've also had to deal with a loose Kyuubi.

IMO, the Yondaime didn't seal the Kyuubi's soul in Naruto, but rather he only sealed the chakra, and if your wondering why then would Naruto, and Sasuke be able to see the fox is because the chakra forms a image of the fox and I guess you could say that since it was the foxs it would also have the tendancies of what the fox would do(kind of like a "mind of its own").

ffl
February 5th, 2007, 07:18 PM
The chakra can't think if it doesn't have a mind, and if it has a mind, you can assume that it has a "soul", so if the Kyuubi's chakra was sealed in Naruto and the chakra can "think" then that would mean that Kyuubi's mind and soul were also sealed in Naruto. So... Kyuubi was sealed in Naruto, not just a part of it.:)

Anyway, we've only seen the jutsu's effect in action against human opponents, so we don't really know what the jutsu does against inhuman beings or entities.

Jinto117
February 5th, 2007, 07:52 PM
Wait, the Akatsuki leader knows how to do it doesnt he?

He's about the only probable person who could do that in all of Naruto I believe. I doubt Itachi would know how to perform that technique as well.

Dj_Saito
February 7th, 2007, 07:44 AM
I dont think they were the same technique.

techno_newt8
February 14th, 2007, 09:29 AM
I'm wondering if Kyuubi would still be that strong because when I was researching the manga I found that the Akatsuki group were collecting the other demons and that they were not that strong because they didn't have a host. Although that kinda goes against the first episode showing Kyuubi pounding the leaf village. Oh well...

Naster
February 14th, 2007, 03:41 PM
I'm wondering if Kyuubi would still be that strong because when I was researching the manga I found that the Akatsuki group were collecting the other demons and that they were not that strong because they didn't have a host. Although that kinda goes against the first episode showing Kyuubi pounding the leaf village. Oh well...

kyuubi's power exponentially stronger than all other tailed-beasts

Nano
February 14th, 2007, 04:32 PM
It would be very interesting if it escaped. One thing's for sure we'd see a lot of amazing jutsu. I don't like to guess around though in what'll happen next.

Hellsartist
February 17th, 2007, 01:37 PM
Each tailed beast is stronger than the last (2 tailed stronger than 1 tailed, 9 tailed stronger than all the others) and each tailed beast is quite capable of taking on a whole village. and yes the 3 tailed turtle...thing was taken ouot by just Deidara and Tobi (mostly Deidara :P) but Kyuubi is 3 times as powerful (using basic math anyways :P). Also the reason their "weaker" outside of a host, is because yes they have near god like chakra and strength but the tailed beasts are unable to control their chakra, and without fingers or hands, unable to form seals, thus taking away using any jutsu, and if you look at Kyuubi's behaviour as he attacked Konoha he does look quite animal like, so I think its safe to say their not as smart as an average human, though their definately more intelligent then a normal animal, if not also much more cruel.

Nano
February 17th, 2007, 02:44 PM
Kyuubi is smart, he talks to Naruto inside his head.
And the Raccoon talked as well when Garra fell asleep.

monkeyman101
March 5th, 2007, 03:49 AM
isnt gaara suppose to be suffering from insomnia or something... how is he suppose to fall asleep cause if he goes to sleep then that sand thing will awaken . or was that cured when naruto beat him with the giant frog

ffl
March 5th, 2007, 01:10 PM
It wasn't cured. He still doesn't get much sleep since his eyes still have that ring of black around them.