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njjn
October 1st, 2004, 11:59 AM
This thread is a Samurai Deeper Kyo discussion thread, it used to be a question about SDK but, now its a general SDK thread.

Holy Knight
October 1st, 2004, 01:24 PM
I got all the volumes up to #16, and i must say i love it! Kyo is one badass character and he would probably be my #2 favorite bad-guy-who-is-good, just after Alucard (if u ever get to volume 16 u'll see why i just think kyo is soo cool-awesome) also, the graphics are superb and unique...just try copying them to see ;) . Other than that, the plot is interesting and keeps you wanting more..what more can you get? :P

DARKHIEI
October 1st, 2004, 01:48 PM
yeah he is badass. but hiei is more badass. anyway samurai deeper kyo is awsome i only have up to book 9 though.

Holy Knight
October 1st, 2004, 01:54 PM
yeah he is badass. but hiei is more badass. anyway samurai deeper kyo is awsome i only have up to book 9 though.

Who is Hiei??

yangster
October 1st, 2004, 02:11 PM
Who is Hiei??

He's from Yu Yu Hakuso, I think I spelled it right. DARKHIEI has the avatar of him.

Is the manga better than the anime?

DARKHIEI
October 1st, 2004, 04:52 PM
It depends i have all the mangas and have seen every eiodes twice of yu yu. but in the manga yusuke smokes, their is more cursing, more voilence, more blood, and etc.... I for one like the manga and anime equal its a hard choice.

yangster
October 1st, 2004, 08:49 PM
It depends i have all the mangas and have seen every eiodes twice of yu yu. but in the manga yusuke smokes, their is more cursing, more voilence, more blood, and etc.... I for one like the manga and anime equal its a hard choice.

Thanks, but I meant Samurai Deeper Kyo.

Holy Knight
October 1st, 2004, 09:28 PM
Thanks, but I meant Samurai Deeper Kyo.

Supposedly, the anime sucks since it doesn't adhere to the manga's story and misses many important plot points crucial to the development of the story...

Gasaraki
October 1st, 2004, 09:34 PM
Thanks, but I meant Samurai Deeper Kyo.
The manga is infinitely better than the POS called Samurai Deeper Kyo anime

Black Swordsman
October 1st, 2004, 10:43 PM
hell yea the manga is way better than that crap anime series. I wasted some money on that anime series, I didn't even finish watching it. In the anime, the animation isn't that great and the story just kinda sucks. An example is when kyo fights the important enemies, the fights are good in the manga, but in the anime they are way different, but not for the better. I don't wanna spoil it for you if you still wanna see the anime. I think the manga in US is up to #8, but it is higher in Japan. #9 comes out soon, october 12.

Holy Knight
October 2nd, 2004, 01:17 PM
hell yea the manga is way better than that crap anime series. I wasted some money on that anime series, I didn't even finish watching it. In the anime, the animation isn't that great and the story just kinda sucks. An example is when kyo fights the important enemies, the fights are good in the manga, but in the anime they are way different, but not for the better. I don't wanna spoil it for you if you still wanna see the anime. I think the manga in US is up to #8, but it is higher in Japan. #9 comes out soon, october 12.

Here, in Canada, its up to #17, but its in french (yes i can read french, lucky me ^_^ )

side_burn
October 2nd, 2004, 02:29 PM
SDK is crap

Holy Knight
October 2nd, 2004, 02:44 PM
SDK is crap

By your avatar, i'd say you are a Kenshin fan are you not? :P

Undrave
October 2nd, 2004, 09:22 PM
Here, in Canada, its up to #17, but its in french (yes i can read french, lucky me ^_^ )

17?!? How did you get vol. 17? I just got my #16 like two weeks ago at best!!

Did you order it straight from France?


Kyo's my favorite bad-*** hero, he's cool! I really like the characters in Kyo ^^ Bontemaru, Akira, Shinrei, Hotaru, Benitora, Sasuke, Yuya etc... ALL of them are great and they bring the story to life, if it wasn't for them the store wouldn't be as interesting. I took a certain liking to the two half brother (know who I'm talking 'bout right?).

Isn't there anything cooler than seeing Kyo perform the Suzaku technique?

Oh and for anybody interested I am ALSO a fan of Kenshin... and personally those two shouldn't be compared.

Holy Knight
October 3rd, 2004, 02:24 PM
17?!? How did you get vol. 17? I just got my #16 like two weeks ago at best!! Did you order it straight from France?

No 17 appears this month (or should...)

Kyo's my favorite bad-*** hero, he's cool!

SPOILERS (highlight to read) [His awakening in #16 is so god-damn well drawn and demon looking he just went up there with Alucard for sheer evilness ^_^ ]

I really like the characters in Kyo ^^ Bontemaru, Akira, Shinrei, Hotaru, Benitora, Sasuke, Yuya etc... ALL of them are great and they bring the story to life, if it wasn't for them the store wouldn't be as interesting. I took a certain liking to the two half brother (know who I'm talking 'bout right?).

SPOILERS (highlight to read) [ You are talking about Luciole and that water guy right? if yes, then i totaly agree with you, Luciole being wayyy cool with his demon fire :P ]

Isn't there anything cooler than seeing Kyo perform the Suzaku technique?

Nay ^_^ and i must say i've seen some cool ones...:shifty:

Oh and for anybody interested I am ALSO a fan of Kenshin... and personally those two shouldn't be compared.

Too true, the two series are being compared wayy too much for my liking, seeing as they are two fundamentaly different series (kyo having fanservice, whereas Kenshin does not), and having read the whole series and owning half, i'm quite well placed to judge it...

P.S.: this is the last time i do some quote editing...it takes forever!!

Undrave
October 3rd, 2004, 04:30 PM
Luciole/Hotaru (I suppose his name is written like the bug itself to be translated as such), AKA Keikoku is one of my favorite character. He's so... spacey... and yet firey... and tragic... and kickass!

Vol 16 has some nice stuff! I wonder what's with thay symbol in Yukimura's eye ya know...

Another cool technique to see is Akira and Bontemaru's combination attack! Man is it devastating!!

Holy Knight
October 3rd, 2004, 06:13 PM
*sigh* it looks like i lied to my last post's P.S. ...and multiple quoted again...

Luciole/Hotaru (I suppose his name is written like the bug itself to be translated as such), AKA Keikoku is one of my favorite character. He's so... spacey... and yet firey... and tragic... and kickass!

firey? ooo ya! Akimine Kamijyo has such a unique art style O_O he makes fire so demon-looking! and yes, keykoku is kool by just trying to do what kyo wants (to be the strongest)

Vol 16 has some nice stuff! I wonder what's with thay symbol in Yukimura's eye ya know...

SPOILERS (highlight to read) [yes, my fave part is kyo's awakening...sent me an adrenaline rush ooo i luv it ^_^ as for the sign, i'm thinking its the earth sign (but this is entire supposition based on his dodge of kyo's attack...)]

Another cool technique to see is Akira and Bontemaru's combination attack! Man is it devastating!!

Total agreement! with that i'd add Keykoku's Lucifer's descent on earth and his Devil's impact...wayyy cool

Undrave
October 4th, 2004, 09:40 AM
Luciole and Shinrei were my favorites and now we know their link... it's even better.

Luciole is so hard to understand at time :p

Yuya: But Shinrei doesn'T know that story! Why do you hate him?
Luciole: I just don't like him. I don't like water either.
Yuya*thinking*: Why did I ask him anyway?

XD

and as for the sign, it's not the Earth sign, it actually looks like the type of symbol used in bhuddist scriptures. Some kind of hindu language... dunno the name.

So'/ sauce|) coo|<ie
October 4th, 2004, 02:00 PM
I saw the anime first and hated it, and I assumed the manga was no different but a friend of mine made me read the first volume. Since then I have been hooked. I've only read four volumes so far, but it's a great read. I love Sanada Yukimura and Benitora.

Undrave
October 4th, 2004, 05:57 PM
The manga goes from 'great' to AWESOME around vol 6-7-8 IMO... and that's just the begining of the deeper story.

The manga has none of those stupid ken'yo monsters who are basically therej ust so Kyo can kill his enemies without censoring!

And the character depth is much better in the manga, and Yuya isn't as useless!

Yuya is a pivotal character in the manga, she's the one who links Kyo's gang together, she's a generator of the story as well and she gets her own Muramasa blade :p

There's a few characers we haven't seen in Vol 16 but saw in vol. 15 I'd like to know what's up with them...




And Shinrei seams to be a nicer guy than he first appears to be...he's just too endoctrinated... Chinmei is the weirdest character ever, and he can be pretty freaky too... he doesn't even seam to have a weapon!

Holy Knight
October 5th, 2004, 05:40 PM
The manga goes from 'great' to AWESOME around vol 6-7-8 IMO... and that's just the begining of the deeper story.

The manga has none of those stupid ken'yo monsters who are basically therej ust so Kyo can kill his enemies without censoring!

And the character depth is much better in the manga, and Yuya isn't as useless!

Yuya is a pivotal character in the manga, she's the one who links Kyo's gang together, she's a generator of the story as well and she gets her own Muramasa blade :p

I agree that the character depth is a lot more important and Yuya is quite the colorfull person (the mighty Kyoshiro can do NOTHING against Yuya's torture *glee* :P)

There's a few characers we haven't seen in Vol 16 but saw in vol. 15 I'd like to know what's up with them...


And Shinrei seams to be a nicer guy than he first appears to be...he's just too endoctrinated... Chinmei is the weirdest character ever, and he can be pretty freaky too... he doesn't even seam to have a weapon!

Shinrey isn't the only good character...there's also Taihaku, who seems so powerful in his wisdom...as for chinmei...whoa, thats going to be a tuff fight....>_<

Undrave
October 5th, 2004, 05:54 PM
Yeah Taihaku seams very wise.

And I want to know what's up with the remaining Generals like Shindara and Antera... those tweo were probably the nicest of the bunch...

A lot of the characters would be pretty nice if they didn't kill people on a whim XD

Holy Knight
October 6th, 2004, 06:50 PM
Yeah Taihaku seams very wise.

And I want to know what's up with the remaining Generals like Shindara and Antera... those tweo were probably the nicest of the bunch...

A lot of the characters would be pretty nice if they didn't kill people on a whim XD

Total agreement, however, it would demean their complete emontionlesness...

Undrave
October 8th, 2004, 10:56 PM
Talking about emotionless, or rather emotionless-looking, I like Luciole's blood makeup thingie :p tough I prefer the original to the one he used while facing Kyo.

17 still not out yet.

When it come to fighting style the Shinrei and Luciole have the best IMO... tough I like Akira's icey power and Bontemaru's unrivaled physical strength.

Think Kyo will ever use the OTHER three ultimate moves??? All he ever use is the Suzaku...

Think Kyo's gonna be the one facing Saishi and Saisei or one of his companion?

Holy Knight
October 10th, 2004, 08:01 AM
Talking about emotionless, or rather emotionless-looking, I like Luciole's blood makeup thingie :p tough I prefer the original to the one he used while facing Kyo.

17 still not out yet.

When it come to fighting style the Shinrei and Luciole have the best IMO... tough I like Akira's icey power and Bontemaru's unrivaled physical strength.

Think Kyo will ever use the OTHER three ultimate moves??? All he ever use is the Suzaku...

Think Kyo's gonna be the one facing Saishi and Saisei or one of his companion?

You're forgetting he used the mizuchi originaly...and its prolly going to be one of his companions...he simply can't defeat all 5 without going into overlimit...

h0ckey2244
October 10th, 2004, 12:16 PM
i love it! kyos hot...teehee it was the first manga ive ever bought woah! i love it! but its reallt big and has a bout 24 vol! the anime is shorter its onlny 6 vol.

Chibi Assassin
October 10th, 2004, 01:21 PM
I saw the anime first, and liked it. But after awhile it sort of wore on me. The story seemed sort of haphazard, and I thought the whole kenyo thing was just silly.
Now I've been borrowing the manga from a friend, and it's awesome. The artwork is beautiful, and you get a much more in-depth view of the characters. Yukimura is so interesting because of his complexities. And Sasuke is just cool. Plus, the story just all-around makes more sense. I think they tried to stuff a long series into too few volumes.
So the anime wasn't yuck, but the manga is a billion times better.

Undrave
October 10th, 2004, 04:27 PM
The Ken'yo thing was just so Kyo could still slice up the enemies while still remaining around the 13+ ratings and stuff.

Yeah Kyo used to use the Mizuchi, but I'd like to see the Byakko, Genbu and Seiryu!

Yukimura is very dificult to understand, he's always shifty and keeps his plans hidden... guess he's a natural pal for Chinmei :p I wonder if we'll ever see the other 7 Warriors of the Sanada... and if they're any good.

VDIABLO
October 10th, 2004, 06:51 PM
it has a lot of action in it and hentia, so if you like that its a good manga for you

Undrave
October 10th, 2004, 06:56 PM
(noticed my new avatar? ^^ )

If you think Kyo has hentai you never saw any hentai oO

Kyo is just ecchi, not hentai... tough it's borderline.

Fantasy8900
October 12th, 2004, 06:14 PM
I really like this series so far.
Kyo reminds me of Vash and Kenshin.

Undrave
October 12th, 2004, 06:44 PM
I really like this series so far.
Kyo reminds me of Vash and Kenshin.

If you think that then you don't know Kyo enough... and you haven't read enough SDK yet! GO GET READIN'!!!

Holy Knight
October 13th, 2004, 04:57 PM
If you think that then you don't know Kyo enough... and you haven't read enough SDK yet! GO GET READIN'!!!

YA! Kyo is a !lot! more demonish than kenshin or vash (can't tell for vash cuz i only seen the first disk...still, i can guess :P)

Undrave
October 13th, 2004, 05:07 PM
And Kyo isn't looking for redemption! He wants to reclaim his title!

Holy Knight
October 13th, 2004, 05:11 PM
And Kyo isn't looking for redemption! He wants to reclaim his title!

And kill all who oppose him!! And his opponents shall burn in his fiery wrath!!

Undrave
October 13th, 2004, 05:16 PM
Oh yeah! All who opposes the mighty Demon Eyed Kyo must DIE!

MWUAHAHAHAHA!

And all enemy of Luciole must burn in the flames of hell!

MAOEN!
LUCIFER DESCEND!
DEVIL'S IMPACT!
INCANDESCENT EMPIRE!

Hehehehe... I like my new avatar ^^

Holy Knight
October 13th, 2004, 05:34 PM
Oh yeah! All who opposes the mighty Demon Eyed Kyo must DIE!

MWUAHAHAHAHA!

And all enemy of Luciole must burn in the flames of hell!

MAOEN!
LUCIFER DESCEND!
DEVIL'S IMPACT!
INCANDESCENT EMPIRE!

Hehehehe... I like my new avatar ^^

Demon eyes Kyo deserves to rule on earth :P And yes, i love that luciole avatar u got :P

Undrave
October 13th, 2004, 05:41 PM
Kyo is crazy when he goes on a rampage but he's got a caring side he doesn't want to show...I loved the part when Yuya commented how Kyo never lies... that was neat and the part where he explained to Luciole how being alone didn't mattered.

I really want to see Sakuya show up...she's a mysterious character.

I still wonder how Yukimura REALLY got in with the Mibus... I think it might have something to do with Sakuya oO

Holy Knight
October 13th, 2004, 07:33 PM
Kyo is crazy when he goes on a rampage but he's got a caring side he doesn't want to show...I loved the part when Yuya commented how Kyo never lies... that was neat and the part where he explained to Luciole how being alone didn't mattered.

I really want to see Sakuya show up...she's a mysterious character.

I still wonder how Yukimura REALLY got in with the Mibus... I think it might have something to do with Sakuya oO

That Yukimura >_<...he's so :shifty: and it seems chinmey has something to do with it, and yes, i wanna see Sakuya!!!!!

Undrave
October 14th, 2004, 05:16 AM
Yeah it seams Yukimura got in thanks to Chinmei... maybe those two are plotting something... dum dum dum!

Holy Knight
October 14th, 2004, 04:11 PM
Chinmey is actualy the character i want most to die...he so deserves it for SPOILERS (highlight to read) [killing-whats her name already? that spider girl who wants revenge on Kyo?-'s sister :angry:]

Undrave
October 15th, 2004, 11:08 PM
Mahiro is the spider-ninja girl... I want to see her kick butt! I bet she can!

CapsuleCrony
October 16th, 2004, 04:33 AM
I LOVE SDK! Recently bought the volumes up to vol6 and I'm very happy with the purchase, great story, great plot, great character design.

sesshy4udipshit
October 16th, 2004, 06:51 AM
I LOVE KYO!!!!!!!!!!! but where do you get up to 16..i think ive only read up to 10......anyways i wanna see more mibu and kyo!!!!!!!!!!wouldnt it be weird if they stuck random manga people in SDK? like they stick sasuke from naruto and inuyasha from..inuyasha....and have them go at each other? and why are evil people so hot?!?!?!?!?! im confused......>.<

Holy Knight
October 16th, 2004, 07:30 AM
I LOVE KYO!!!!!!!!!!! but where do you get up to 16..i think ive only read up to 10......anyways i wanna see more mibu and kyo!!!!!!!!!!wouldnt it be weird if they stuck random manga people in SDK? like they stick sasuke from naruto and inuyasha from..inuyasha....and have them go at each other? and why are evil people so hot?!?!?!?!?! im confused......>.<

I got 16 since its in french...i think the english version is taking longer to come, don't know why though...i am so happy to be billingual :P

Undrave
October 16th, 2004, 09:40 PM
The more Kyo fan the better :p

I consider Vol 6. one of the main milestone of the Kyo manga, because it's from there that the supernatural side started developping, with Akira's AWESOME display of power!!! Woot! I love that scene where he freezes Kubira.

njjn
October 17th, 2004, 06:36 PM
I just read volume 1 and 2, and I love it. Im also gonna request to a mod or admin that the name of the thread be "Samurai Deeper Kyo Thread" because its doing really good like that.

njjn
October 17th, 2004, 07:16 PM
This threads now a general discussion thread about Samurai Deeper Kyo.

Holy Knight
October 23rd, 2004, 01:40 PM
When is volume 17 coming to Canada??? :crybaby: i wanna see what happens next :P

Undrave
October 23rd, 2004, 09:35 PM
Yeah... I want it too!!! It takes too long!

njjn
October 23rd, 2004, 09:42 PM
Ive read up to voume three, and Im addicted. I love this manga.

SPOILER>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


















I dont want to know anymore because im only up to volume three, but White Crow was a pretty cool chracter, to bad he was defeated. He had an amazing death though. The burning of the Cherry Blossoms. Im glad Red Tiger, is working with them now.

Undrave
October 27th, 2004, 01:03 PM
Vol 17 came out October 16 in France... we'll probably get it in two weeks --;

Holy Knight
October 27th, 2004, 04:42 PM
Vol 17 came out October 16 in France... we'll probably get it in two weeks --;

I'm not sure...it usualy takes 2 months before it comes to canada i think...

Blue Pen
October 27th, 2004, 07:31 PM
I just read vol 9. It reveals a little bit about which clan Kyoshiro is from, which I thought was really interesting. Im still waiting for more info on benitora. I love this manga. I wish I was bilingual.

Holy Knight
October 28th, 2004, 01:43 PM
I just read vol 9. It reveals a little bit about which clan Kyoshiro is from, which I thought was really interesting. Im still waiting for more info on benitora. I love this manga. I wish I was bilingual.

Apprend le français, mon cher ami! les vertus d'une telle langue vous serons révélées de la plus merveilleuse des façons :P

Undrave
October 29th, 2004, 08:34 AM
Holy Knight XD Do you follow other series in French? I just got Bleach 7 and Devil Devil 9 yesterday. I follow HunterXHunter, SDK, Shaman King (sometime tough I skip a volume and just borrow it), Bleach, Hoshin, Naruto (same situation as Shaman King), ES : Eternal Sabbath, Inugami (Le Reveail du Dieu Chien) and Genzo the Puppeteer.

anyway back on topic...

Kyoshiro's clan has much more secrets to reveal...some we don't even know yet...

Samurai Deeper Kyo is full of mystery and enigmas... and the characters all seam to know lots of stuff but don't say a thing :p Yuya is like us, she's usually left in the dark XD.

Holy Knight
October 29th, 2004, 10:17 PM
Holy Knight XD Do you follow other series in French? I just got Bleach 7 and Devil Devil 9 yesterday. I follow HunterXHunter, SDK, Shaman King (sometime tough I skip a volume and just borrow it), Bleach, Hoshin, Naruto (same situation as Shaman King), ES : Eternal Sabbath, Inugami (Le Reveail du Dieu Chien) and Genzo the Puppeteer.



Have you read a manga in english? :eek: it's as if all the character worked at McDonald's or something...i can't stand the way they talk >_<

French simply seems to elevate to a more sophysticated level the tone of the story...but Anime would be ruined if it was in french though...

omg, as a comical thingy, what would happen if Kyo talked like a quebecer? :lol: "Toé l'ostie de marde! j'vais t'tuer pak y'l faut pour que'j'peut dev'nir pluss foèrt tabarnak!!" <_< :D (hmm not sure if i can swear in french in here (though its pure Quebec language) ...)

Undrave
October 30th, 2004, 10:34 PM
Hahahaha... Kyo with an accent :p

I know what you mean... my friend bought King of Bandit Jing (the manga is really sucky too) and I got Figure 17 vol 1 (sucks too, especially compared to the anime)... and it doesn't feel the same. I read a few chapters from the French version and it's really different.

Anime in French usually don't sound good... I blame the french voice actors who suck half the time or don't take it seriously enough... the more serious shows aren't that bad most of the time tough... I'm satisfied with my Escaflowne mono-language (dirt cheap) dvds and tghe French track on my Eva DVD.

Undrave
November 4th, 2004, 10:14 AM
Sorry for the double post but...

VOLUME 17 IS OUT! WOOT! I'm buying it later today!!!

Hunter Yumi
November 4th, 2004, 01:09 PM
i should read sdk........

Holy Knight
November 4th, 2004, 01:49 PM
Sorry for the double post but...

VOLUME 17 IS OUT! WOOT! I'm buying it later today!!!

*gasps*

*Proceeds to do a major Kyo-esque rampage at the local bookstore :devil:*

Holy Knight
November 4th, 2004, 01:49 PM
i should read sdk........

YES! you should!

Undrave
November 4th, 2004, 09:10 PM
YOU REALLY SHOULD!


I got... VOLUME 17! *takes Pokémon 'I caught...' pause, holding the book*

It's AWESOME! I have new found respect for Saisei! At first I didn't like her with her stern look and odd nurse uniform... but when she got into her battle gear... wow... and her story...


And Akira... man that guy is cool! He's buttkicking cool! And ice cool too.

Holy Knight
November 5th, 2004, 04:52 PM
YOU REALLY SHOULD!


I got... VOLUME 17! *takes Pokémon 'I caught...' pause, holding the book*

It's AWESOME! I have new found respect for Saisei! At first I didn't like her with her stern look and odd nurse uniform... but when she got into her battle gear... wow... and her story...


And Akira... man that guy is cool! He's buttkicking cool! And ice cool too.

<--- :crybaby: *is in tears of frustration* i can't have this book before christmas because i have to save for money for gifts :crybaby: i really, really need to get a job but school is pushing my limits...

Undrave
November 8th, 2004, 09:43 AM
Com'on, it's just 12 bucks!

Try getting it as a gift at least :p

kenjoh_miyabi
November 8th, 2004, 09:49 PM
Woooot. Hotaru and Shinrei. I love em both.

I'm up to Vol 28 now.... *rubs hands in glee* 29, 29, come on, 29... ^^

Undrave
November 9th, 2004, 09:55 AM
Hotaru, Shinrei, Akira... they're so COOL!

Akira kicked butt in Vol 17 oO

Holy Knight
November 9th, 2004, 06:58 PM
Woooot. Hotaru and Shinrei. I love em both.

I'm up to Vol 28 now.... *rubs hands in glee* 29, 29, come on, 29... ^^

o_O you reading them in japanese or what? if yes, i so totaly envy you!!

Holy Knight
November 9th, 2004, 06:59 PM
Com'on, it's just 12 bucks!

Try getting it as a gift at least :p

...even as a gift it might be hard as there is A LOT of anime and manga i currently want...

kenjoh_miyabi
November 10th, 2004, 07:20 AM
o_O you reading them in japanese or what? if yes, i so totaly envy you!!
Yep, I'm reading the originals. ^^
It pays to know Jap.. though it took me ages to learn it up.. me self-taught, you see~ :P

Holy Knight
November 10th, 2004, 11:34 AM
Yep, I'm reading the originals. ^^
It pays to know Jap.. though it took me ages to learn it up.. me self-taught, you see~ :P

Hmm, how long did it take you to learn japanese?? It's because i'd like to, too. Oh, yes i'd also like to know if you've learned any other languages or if english was your only and first one to know (this is to evaluate the time i would need to learn...)

kenjoh_miyabi
November 10th, 2004, 08:03 PM
umm.. I'm from Malaysia, so I grew up with English, Malay and Chinese. :P I started ATTEMPTING to teach myself Japanese in elementary school, but it didn't really work out.. ummmm I took about 3 years from 7th grade to reach the "poor, struggling foreigner" standard~ :lol: ~

If you're starting from scratch, you might probably need quite a number of years to actually reach a level where you can carry out a conversation without stuttering, checking dictionaries or having to think up your lines in English and translate them into Japanese.

Holy Knight
November 11th, 2004, 06:27 PM
umm.. I'm from Malaysia, so I grew up with English, Malay and Chinese. :P I started ATTEMPTING to teach myself Japanese in elementary school, but it didn't really work out.. ummmm I took about 3 years from 7th grade to reach the "poor, struggling foreigner" standard~ :lol: ~

If you're starting from scratch, you might probably need quite a number of years to actually reach a level where you can carry out a conversation without stuttering, checking dictionaries or having to think up your lines in English and translate them into Japanese.

...this is not good...i'm 17 now, i'm OLDDD!!!!!!

Undrave
November 12th, 2004, 09:16 AM
I should try to learn japanese... even if it's just to speak and listen... learning kanjis look like a pain in the arse.

sesshy4udipshit
November 12th, 2004, 10:34 AM
I got all the volumes up to #16, and i must say i love it! Kyo is one badass character and he would probably be my #2 favorite bad-guy-who-is-good, just after Alucard (if u ever get to volume 16 u'll see why i just think kyo is soo cool-awesome) also, the graphics are superb and unique...just try copying them to see ;) . Other than that, the plot is interesting and keeps you wanting more..what more can you get? :P

how did u get up to 16??im only up to 9 and i visit the bookstore everyday....its not fair..this is such a slow little state...::beats fists on the floor and cries::

sesshy4udipshit
November 12th, 2004, 10:37 AM
I should try to learn japanese... even if it's just to speak and listen... learning kanjis look like a pain in the arse.

Kanjis arent really that hard..stare at them long enough and they'll be permenetly etched in ur brain. and they have those japanese for dummies videocassttes and disks..just play one in ur cd player all night on repeat and you'll wake up the next morning talking japanese naturally!! its foolproof!!

sesshy4udipshit
November 12th, 2004, 10:45 AM
Have you read a manga in english? :eek: it's as if all the character worked at McDonald's or something...i can't stand the way they talk >_<

French simply seems to elevate to a more sophysticated level the tone of the story...but Anime would be ruined if it was in french though...

omg, as a comical thingy, what would happen if Kyo talked like a quebecer? :lol: "Toé l'ostie de marde! j'vais t'tuer pak y'l faut pour que'j'peut dev'nir pluss foèrt tabarnak!!" <_< :D (hmm not sure if i can swear in french in here (though its pure Quebec language) ...)

hahahahaha no. i like the manga in english, although i tried reading it in japanese once. it sounded more natural in japanese than it does in english, but they did do a pretty good job in translating. i love the way they keep the sfx in japanese though, its more original!! not like the way shonen jump translates every bit and it comes out all whacked out...ah well, they do have some good books.

~~im reading bleach, naruto, shaman king, one piece, sdk, xxxholic, inuyasha, getbackers, lament of the lamb, yuyu hakusho~~

i know, im a psychotic, insane, rambling freak. but hey.

Undrave
November 12th, 2004, 10:55 AM
how did u get up to 16??im only up to 9 and i visit the bookstore everyday....its not fair..this is such a slow little state...::beats fists on the floor and cries::

If you had read the thread some more you would know how we get to 16 and you can't :p

Holy Knight
November 12th, 2004, 08:26 PM
If you had read the thread some more you would know how we get to 16 and you can't :p

This is why French DOES have SOME ownage over english :P (and i wish quebec would stop bickering about "sovereinity", but that would be going out of topic...)

kenjoh_miyabi
November 12th, 2004, 10:29 PM
...this is not good...i'm 17 now, i'm OLDDD!!!!!!
Aw, it isn't too late. It'll just take a wee bit longer, I guess. You'll need loads of patience. Try "Making Out In Japanese" by Todd & Erika Geers. It's a good book.


Ahhhhh Shinrei... I'm gonna cosplay as him next year. ^^

Undrave
November 13th, 2004, 03:31 PM
Aw, it isn't too late. It'll just take a wee bit longer, I guess. You'll need loads of patience. Try "Making Out In Japanese" by Todd & Erika Geers. It's a good book.


Ahhhhh Shinrei... I'm gonna cosplay as him next year. ^^

I wish I was in better shape so I could cosplay as Hotaru :p

kenjoh_miyabi
November 13th, 2004, 09:09 PM
LOL~ I thought of cosplaying Hotaru too, but..

1. The guy's way too skinny.
2. I'm a girl, lol~
3. How do you balance on two little "stilts"?

Undrave
November 14th, 2004, 12:40 PM
Beside number 2 I got the same problems :p

Holy Knight
November 14th, 2004, 02:47 PM
LOL~ I thought of cosplaying Hotaru too, but..

1. The guy's way too skinny.
2. I'm a girl, lol~
3. How do you balance on two little "stilts"?

Hmm, i think i could cosplay as Hotaru as

1. I'm pretty skinny for a muscly guy ... -_-;
2. i'm a guy :P
3. Balancing can be learned ^_^

Undrave
November 14th, 2004, 03:21 PM
also my hair is black... and I wear glasses :p so I would have to wear a wig or something and problably walk on stilts while squinting my eyes... :p

Holy Knight
November 14th, 2004, 05:37 PM
also my hair is black... and I wear glasses :p so I would have to wear a wig or something and problably walk on stilts while squinting my eyes... :p

Me too my hair is black, but then, chemistry has its own marvel : hair coloring :P Oh the joys of purple hair :w00t:

Undrave
November 15th, 2004, 09:45 AM
Yeah but black hair are difficult to turn orangey yellow like Hotaru's :p

sesshy4udipshit
November 15th, 2004, 01:18 PM
umm.........u people lost me somewhere back there......anyhoo, i wonder, does anybody(besides me)get their manga straight from japan? my uncle lives in japan and he sends me all this manga that i really cant read...i get some of it, but its mostly just the sfx and some basic words....

Undrave
November 15th, 2004, 03:35 PM
Not me.... Kenjoh does... I think...

sesshy4udipshit
November 16th, 2004, 02:45 PM
Kenjoh? umm....anyhoo...did you see all the fan art in the back? they say they pick the best, but then how come all the pictures suck up to the wazoos?? not all, but some...anyhoo...

Undrave
November 16th, 2004, 04:01 PM
I think the fan art sent in by the French fans is better sometime :p but some were cool... don't remember them much.

GreatNekoKoneko
November 18th, 2004, 03:54 PM
box set's out. the box set rocks. period.

Holy Knight
November 18th, 2004, 05:39 PM
Immitation amateurish fan-art is what is put in the back! I should send over my own :P

Holy Knight
November 21st, 2004, 02:52 PM
BTW, just bought Kyo #17 today :) me is very, VERY happy :) and, wow, is Akira cool!! (that's ironic :P get it? :P) Too bad Bontenmaru didn't get a chance to fight in this volume though....I WANT KYO #18 >_<

sesshy4udipshit
November 22nd, 2004, 02:28 PM
WHEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im soooooo happy!!!!!!!!!!!! i got this set of little dolls!!!!!!!! it had yuyu-san, benitora, kyoshiro and kyo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yes, it was homemade, and it was sewed too......where does a guy learn how to sew...???? anyways its sooooo cool!!!! chibby!!!!! they're chibi-dolls!!!!!!! ::huggles kyo doll::XP!!! you wish u had one o these!!

Undrave
November 22nd, 2004, 04:24 PM
BTW, just bought Kyo #17 today :) me is very, VERY happy :) and, wow, is Akira cool!! (that's ironic :P get it? :P) Too bad Bontenmaru didn't get a chance to fight in this volume though....I WANT KYO #18 >_<

Akira is awesome! All the characters in Kyo are awesome :p at least those who last more than a volume hehehehe.

And Tomoe Gozen was cool too! She looked prettier than when she first appeared IMO.

Chibi-yuya? AWWW! Must be so cute!

kenjoh_miyabi
November 22nd, 2004, 05:04 PM
Akira's cool, yeah, but me's still kinda biased towards Hotaru. NyahAHahhahAHha. Akira smiles a bit too much, LOL. Still wondering how Hishigi keeps that leather thing wrapped over his face. Hmmmmm~

Holy Knight
November 22nd, 2004, 06:52 PM
Akira is awesome! All the characters in Kyo are awesome :p at least those who last more than a volume hehehehe.

And Tomoe Gozen was cool too! She looked prettier than when she first appeared IMO.

Chibi-yuya? AWWW! Must be so cute!

I agree, Tomoe was one character you can, and definitely will like! :) That other disgusting,manipulative B*tch :angry: though...deserved to DIEEEEE!!!!!!!!

Undrave
November 22nd, 2004, 07:11 PM
I really like the picture when Akira got royally pissed off! It was cool... in the last chapter of the book.

Tomoe is a character you really get to like during that fight... and really know her better and respect her... well written fantastic drama there.

sesshy4udipshit
November 23rd, 2004, 01:21 PM
tomoe....???? who?!?!? anyways...akira is the blind dude right? who also goes by the name ajira which is what me and my SDK-obsessive friends call the blind dude...and if u r talking about the blind dude...i think hes a bit weird...i dont know why, he just is...i like him all the same...but still...sasuke is soo lovable though....::huggles sasuke plushie::^^(in case you didnt know,im obsessed with oth sasukes, sdk and naruto...XP im just obsessive like that)

Undrave
November 23rd, 2004, 04:28 PM
Ajira is his codename in Nobunaga's group... but Akira is his real name... and he's also known as the 'Two Headed Dragon' because of his two swords.

And there's an interesting it behind his blindness.

And as for Tomoe it's a character you proably haven't met yet... but just to let you know Tomoe isn't the name you first know her as.

She's also an historic figure :

http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art18012.asp

kumoru
November 29th, 2004, 01:28 PM
*peeks in* Yes, finally, I've managed to find a place where SDK fans congregate! Has anyone else noticed a disturbing lack of sites for this series? Or am I just not looking hard enough? ^^;;

BTW, just bought Kyo #17 today :) me is very, VERY happy :) and, wow, is Akira cool!! (that's ironic :P get it? :P) Too bad Bontenmaru didn't get a chance to fight in this volume though....I WANT KYO #18 >_<
Yay, Akira is the best XD Him and Shinrei, and Yukimura because he's just so weird XD;; How /did/ Akira go blind though? It says in volume 17, doesn't it? Curse my lack of knowledge of Japanese ^^;;

Undrave
November 29th, 2004, 06:53 PM
Well...

According to Bontenmaru, Akira sealed his eyesight himself in order to gain the 1% of strength he couldn't acquire through effort because he lacked samurai blood. Through his sheer determination he rose himself to the level of superhumans of the Four Heavenly Skies and Kyo. It's like how your other senses become stronger when you block one out.


Akira's the man! So are Shinrei and Hotaru!

kumoru
November 29th, 2004, 07:10 PM
Thanks so much XD I'd been looking for that ever since I first noticed that Akira didn't used to be blind. I just found the part that mentions that in the manga today, but I can't read it because I know so little Japanese XD;; Thank you so much for that info! Mystery solved! XD~

Hehe, Hotaru is spiffy too. Heck, all the characters in SDK are. I have yet to meet one who's boring.

Undrave
November 30th, 2004, 05:07 AM
Hehe, Hotaru is spiffy too. Heck, all the characters in SDK are. I have yet to meet one who's boring.

So true! The only boring ones are easily disposed of by our brave heroes :p

Holy Knight
December 1st, 2004, 07:13 AM
Yeh, like that clown guy...Haira methinks :uhh:

Undrave
December 1st, 2004, 09:29 AM
He wasn't REALLY a clown, otherwise he would have been much more dangerous XD

Yukimura just called him a such.

kumoru
December 1st, 2004, 03:43 PM
He certainly did look like one though. Such awful clothes o.<

Undrave
December 2nd, 2004, 10:01 AM
He certainly did look like one though. Such awful clothes o.<

But he didn't have makeup :p and he wasn't uber powerful like Hisoka from HunterXHunter or Shinkoyo from Hoshin Engi (don't say he look like a clown tough or he'll get REALLY mad Oo)

kumoru
December 4th, 2004, 09:48 AM
Ooh~ You've seen Houshin Engi too? :D

Undrave
December 4th, 2004, 10:57 PM
Ooh~ You've seen Houshin Engi too? :D
I got volume 17 recently! I LOVE Hoshin!

The anime sucked tough.

nasa
December 5th, 2004, 01:02 AM
I like the anime they say that the manga is different from the anime, the story that's
what I mean.

kumoru
December 5th, 2004, 06:01 PM
I got volume 17 recently! I LOVE Hoshin!

The anime sucked tough.
Ah, so the manga is coming out where you live? T~T Lucky, I've got a few random volumes in Japanese, but I can't read them XD;; I've seen the anime though, and thought it was /okay/, but I also read the original novel. The book is really good~

Undrave
December 5th, 2004, 06:23 PM
The manga is like 100 time closer to the novel than the anime is, it has all the characters and everything.

Hoshin is published by Glénat, in French. They just released volume 17 here.

kenjoh_miyabi
December 5th, 2004, 09:35 PM
... Tokito vs Bontenmaru sure sparked a lot of.. suspense. What happened in the end was.. er, not quite what I expected. Have any of you reached that chapter yet?

Undrave
December 6th, 2004, 09:46 AM
... Tokito vs Bontenmaru sure sparked a lot of.. suspense. What happened in the end was.. er, not quite what I expected. Have any of you reached that chapter yet?

Well... I saw their initial meeting, but not their actual fight yet.

Imasyon
December 7th, 2004, 01:54 PM
hmmm...I'm really looking forward to dec 11th...than I can finally buy the volium 18...the 3rd gate will be very interesting as I had read in the preview from mangakana....

kenjoh_miyabi
December 7th, 2004, 05:11 PM
Well... I saw their initial meeting, but not their actual fight yet.
"Youkoso, Onmyouden he"?
Then you should be somewhere about vol 20-something, right?

Undrave
December 7th, 2004, 06:14 PM
"Youkoso, Onmyouden he"?
Then you should be somewhere about vol 20-something, right?

I just got volume 17.

Imasyon
December 8th, 2004, 02:22 PM
volume 18's just out in dec 4th....(in french)

Undrave
December 8th, 2004, 05:53 PM
volume 18's just out in dec 4th....(in french)

That's in Europe... it'll take AT LEAST a month (maybe more with the Holyday season) for each to reach this side of the Atlantic --

kenjoh_miyabi
December 9th, 2004, 12:15 AM
17??

So you haven't reached the bit where they meet Hishigi and Yuan and the rest, altogether? Eh.. nevermind. ^^;; I just got me 29.

Imasyon
December 9th, 2004, 02:24 AM
did I understand you correctly: You have already volume 29? I thought they were just at volume 27....

kenjoh_miyabi
December 9th, 2004, 05:03 PM
Eh, nope, Vol 29 came out around two or three weeks ago. :)
Go buy it! ^^

Undrave
December 9th, 2004, 05:43 PM
Eh, nope, Vol 29 came out around two or three weeks ago. :)
Go buy it! ^^

LUCKY! I want it I want it I want it...

kenjoh_miyabi
December 9th, 2004, 07:56 PM
Are there originals in Canada? Do they take long to come out?

kumoru
December 10th, 2004, 11:42 AM
T~T Just be lucky you're not an American like me. I'm still waiting for volume 11 *sigh*

Must... learn... Japanese... @.@

sesshy4udipshit
December 10th, 2004, 01:44 PM
boo hoo...29 r u kidding me? im still waiting for 10!! its not fair....::cries::T.T..agh..must..move..t o..canada...must..learn...french...agh.. i thoughts about its and ive come up with something..i could cosplay as yukimura!!!whoo-hoo!! anyone know an anime convention soon? in va or near us? must...go...cosplay..as..yukimura...::hu ggles a kyo doll:;::is pricked by its imitation sword::ow crap! anyways...agh...

Undrave
December 10th, 2004, 03:18 PM
No there's no originals in Canada, not that I know of any...


Yukimura cosplay, sounds good :p

kenjoh_miyabi
December 10th, 2004, 06:20 PM
@ sesshy, more like move to Malaysia. XD Stuff here are out pretty fast, almost the same time as they're out in Japan. Yukimura cosplay sounds cool. Next year I'll be cosplaying as Shinrei. Outfit almost complete. ;) Still looking for that darned wig.

Imasyon
December 11th, 2004, 02:54 PM
oooooooooooch! I want be as wide as you are with SDK! I've only buyed volume 18 today....

Holy Knight
December 11th, 2004, 03:32 PM
Me needs 18 >_<

But with christmas coming, i don't think i'll be able to buy it before february due to all the series i'm following...

kenjoh_miyabi
December 11th, 2004, 03:44 PM
Wide? ^^;;

I wish the series would have a continuation.. =___=
26 eps, it seems, weren't enough for me..

kumoru
December 11th, 2004, 08:04 PM
Yukimura cosplay, sounds good :p
I did that once XD I love that jacket of his. I plan on wearing it to school when the weather warms up.

And I think I'm going to be Hotaru for the next anime convention in my area~

sesshy4udipshit
December 12th, 2004, 12:27 PM
the series ends at 26?!?! O.O nuuuuu it cant!! ill die!!!!! ill commit suicide!!!!!!! i kill them!!!!! ~rants and raves and foams at the mouth~sadness..i bought sdk #10...i only have 16 more to go^^

Imasyon
December 12th, 2004, 03:57 PM
hä? now I'm totally confused >_< . @kenjoh_miyabi: Did you mean the manga serie or TV?....I thought there are at least 29 mangas from SDK...

Undrave
December 12th, 2004, 04:49 PM
Huh it's the TV series who only has 26 episodes, not the manga, beside the TV serie sucks!

Wow this thread is pretty big ^^ neat! Maybe we could get it pinned or something :p

Holy Knight
December 14th, 2004, 10:56 AM
Proly not...Or else "The Great Bishie War" thread in the polls, battles and games forum when it was still in its other form, had over 21k posts in it ithink, and it was not stickied...

Undrave
December 14th, 2004, 06:09 PM
Guess not.. and I don't think we can get a Serie Specific forum just from this little thread in the manga section XD. The manga section is a bit shunned compared to the anime sections on this board.

and a serie specific forum would just mix up anime and manga topics all the time :p

Let's on back on topic...huh...

I really like how Akimine Kamijyo mixes in historical characters with his fictionnal ones ^^ it's cool.

Imasyon
December 15th, 2004, 01:47 PM
the artbook "you" is really amazing...I was so excited when I bought it, that all peole in Zurich may have asked themself why ?im grinning all the time...

Undrave
December 15th, 2004, 03:55 PM
the artbook "you" is really amazing...I was so excited when I bought it, that all peole in Zurich may have asked themself why ?im grinning all the time...

Cool! you imported it or Kana decided to publish artbooks?

Imasyon
December 16th, 2004, 10:17 AM
No, it's not from kana...so it's in japaneese....and I don't understand anything writed there.... -_-'
But that don't bothers me, because the images are amazing and worth to buy the artbook even if I don't understand it. But I will soon ask my English/French teacher, who can speek japaneese and understands the writing (she lived there when she was young for a quite long time...), so I hope she'll help me understand what's writed there... It has a little story at the end showing kyo with akira, bontenmaru, Luciole and a women (I didn't saw her before so I don't know who she is, but I assume she's the one of the group who wasn't introduced yet...) 4 years ago... There's also a part where it shows how the cells were made, like in Neon Genesis Evangelion artbooks, but only on three examples. The 69 CHF I spent on it were worth every cent! :thumbsup:

Holy Knight
December 17th, 2004, 06:58 PM
No, it's not from kana...so it's in japaneese....and I don't understand anything writed there.... -_-'
But that don't bothers me, because the images are amazing and worth to buy the artbook even if I don't understand it. But I will soon ask my English/French teacher, who can speek japaneese and understands the writing (she lived there when she was young for a quite long time...), so I hope she'll help me understand what's writed there... It has a little story at the end showing kyo with akira, bontenmaru, Luciole and a women (I didn't saw her before so I don't know who she is, but I assume she's the one of the group who wasn't introduced yet...) 4 years ago... There's also a part where it shows how the cells were made, like in Neon Genesis Evangelion artbooks, but only on three examples. The 69 CHF I spent on it were worth every cent! :thumbsup:

*drools on keyboard*

...must..get..everything..Kyo..related.. .

Undrave
December 17th, 2004, 08:39 PM
I wish I had that too! *jealous*

kenjoh_miyabi
December 17th, 2004, 09:42 PM
I have ~YOU. ^^ Yup, it's nice. I like that picture of Sasuke sitting on the tree... *sigh* Now I want the ~IN book.

Undrave
December 17th, 2004, 09:55 PM
Oh where could I find these wonderful pieces of book-goodness?!

kenjoh_miyabi
December 17th, 2004, 09:56 PM
I've never been to Canada. *sob*
If you ever visit Malaysia, go to the store called Kinokuniya. It's got loads of manga, artbooks and stuff.

Imasyon
December 18th, 2004, 03:41 PM
I got it from Jeeg, a manga / anime store in switzerland...has many imported marchandise, artbooks, CD's and staff like that...

kenjoh_miyabi
December 19th, 2004, 07:16 AM
What about manga? ^^
Kinokuniya rocks. It's bigger than your average manga store in Japan. XD

Undrave
December 19th, 2004, 03:30 PM
I wish I knew where to find a sword like Hotaru XD it looks SO cool with the short blade and all... I wonder if that type of weapon actually existed and what it's called.

kenjoh_miyabi
December 19th, 2004, 05:56 PM
I saw something like it when I went for a ninjutsu tournament once but it could have been a fake, floppy one.. I don't rightly know. ^^;; But... yeah, there should be something like it, if I'm not mistaken.

Undrave
December 19th, 2004, 06:11 PM
Even if it's just a movie/TV prop it'd be cool to have. I got a roman style glave that I often see on TV :p it's just a prop but it's neat.

I'd also love if Shinrei's weapons were real XD

Holy Knight
December 19th, 2004, 06:15 PM
Hmm, i think Kyo's Muramasa is, in fact, a No Dachi...Which is a kind of sword that can go up to 220 cm, if i recall correctly o_O i want one *drools yet again*

Undrave
December 19th, 2004, 06:26 PM
up to 220 CM oO Kyo's sword is only 150 oO
that's long.

It's called a Muramasa because, well it was made by Muramasa :p and it's real name is Tenro, if I recall.

Holy Knight
December 20th, 2004, 12:56 PM
Kyo with 220 cm of Death :P :ph34r:

Imasyon
December 20th, 2004, 01:26 PM
220 cm...would be difficult to wield with success....O_o

kumoru
December 20th, 2004, 05:33 PM
I'd also love if Shinrei's weapons were real XD
*.* I'd definitely buy a pair of those if I could find them~ They're so freaking cool-looking.

The only Kyo-looking weaponry I've managed to find is a kendama like Sasuke's though ^^;

Holy Knight
December 20th, 2004, 06:00 PM
220 cm...would be difficult to wield with success....O_o

Not from a horse! that's what they originaly were used for. For example, if you take Rurouni Kenshin's Sanosuke's weapon, the zanbatou, which is about 300 cm (and a genuine antique mind you ;) ) was also used from horseback...no need for tremendous strentgh, only centrifugal force...

Undrave
December 21st, 2004, 05:39 AM
Beside Kyo is so strong that probably wouldn'T be a problem... I mean take Tomoe for exemple! Her weapon was HUGE!

Imasyon
December 21st, 2004, 01:33 PM
Beside Kyo is so strong that probably wouldn'T be a problem... I mean take Tomoe for exemple! Her weapon was HUGE!

hmmmm...yep...that's right

Imasyon
December 21st, 2004, 01:34 PM
Not from a horse! that's what they originaly were used for. For example, if you take Rurouni Kenshin's Sanosuke's weapon, the zanbatou, which is about 300 cm (and a genuine antique mind you ;) ) was also used from horseback...no need for tremendous strentgh, only centrifugal force...

yes, this seems logical to me....and Kyo is not really weak at all...so it's not so strange as it appeared to me at the beginning... ^_^

Holy Knight
December 26th, 2004, 09:45 AM
Where's volume 18? :'(

Ka Anor
December 26th, 2004, 02:24 PM
Just started reading this manga. I have read volumes one and two only. I want to get more. I've heard a lot of good things. :)

Imasyon
December 26th, 2004, 03:33 PM
@holy Knight: you don't have volume 18? It's out now in france...though I don't know from where do you have....It's very interesting now, you learn more about the sister of mireyu...and what chinmei's done...

Undrave
December 26th, 2004, 09:31 PM
Volume 18 will not be on this side of the ocean until later in January.

I'm eager to learn what that bastard Chinmei did...grrr.

The fight with Chinmei will surely be interesting... does he even use a weapon beside his use of gravity? Is he really an immortal? And why the heck is he a hippie :p

Imasyon
December 27th, 2004, 02:45 PM
huh...many questions undrave...but for weapons I can tell you that chinmei won't use any weapons in volume 18 apart from his gravity...yes, chinmei did something...but won't tell you if you want to learn it from the manga itself...unfortunately volume 18 ends with the beginning of the fight between kyo and chinmei. Mireyu tried her best to defeat chinmei, the other were under a banner of gravity... chinmei let her drop into an abyss but kyo sved her... there erst only 5 minutes to kyo for defeating chinmei...it's very thrilling, you see...I'm eager to know how the fight will end...but I have to wait until february....

Holy Knight
December 27th, 2004, 03:21 PM
March for us dangit! >_<

Imasyon
December 28th, 2004, 09:24 AM
March for us dangit! >_<

So it takes one month till you can buy it? :blink: Poor you!!!!

Undrave
December 28th, 2004, 10:34 AM
So it takes one month till you can buy it? :blink: Poor you!!!!

Yeah it sucks...and that's for the main editors (Kana, Pika, Glenat), the others can take longer and some titles don't even reach us... I can't find Gantz ANYWHERE! Or that manga Ho no Pen or something like that... the one about mangakas who act all exhalted like shonen heroes :p .

Imasyon
December 28th, 2004, 03:20 PM
Hmm...I don't know if I could bear waiting for so long as you do...or have to do...
Fortunately Switzerland is near France...so in several stores they have the mangas from France at the same day as they have :)

Holy Knight
December 28th, 2004, 03:23 PM
Hmm...I don't know if I could bear waiting for so long as you do...or have to do...
Fortunately Switzerland is near France...so in several stores they have the mangas from France at the same day as they have :)

*prepares shotgun and very,very sharp katana to "dissuade" french publishers that we, too, absolutely love our manga's*

Ben Marde, c la révolution des consomateurs qui veulent leurs mangas!!!

Imasyon
December 28th, 2004, 03:31 PM
@holy knight: yes...I think so too

Undrave
December 30th, 2004, 07:55 AM
It sucks but you get used to it I guess.

Holy Knight
December 30th, 2004, 01:02 PM
It sucks but you get used to it I guess.

well you have to or else...contemplation of the void of madness might be the future O_O :P

Undrave
December 30th, 2004, 01:05 PM
Let's get back to SDK itself...

I want to see Sakuya!!! I bet she got TONS of answers!

Holy Knight
December 30th, 2004, 04:12 PM
Let's get back to SDK itself...

I want to see Sakuya!!! I bet she got TONS of answers!

(agreed, this is getting off-topic)

Ooo yes, and i want them! What was going on between her and Kyo, and Kyoshiro for that matter??

Undrave
December 30th, 2004, 07:54 PM
You know it's a really good thing Yuya is there, because all the characters seam to know each other or know what the heck is actually going on behind the scene and the past... but WE DON'T and neither does Yuya, so Yuya is like our entry into the world of Demon Eyed Kyo... most of the story is basically seen from her point of view in a way and she's the one we 'see' think most of the time. Yuya's purpose in the story is mostly to ask questions... tough she doesn'T always gets much answers XD

At least WE know Benitora's secret, while she doesn't.

kenjoh_miyabi
December 30th, 2004, 07:58 PM
Well if she kept getting answers it wouldn't be much fun, would it?
Ahahahah. Poor Yuya, though.

Undrave
December 30th, 2004, 08:27 PM
Well if she kept getting answers it wouldn't be much fun, would it?
Ahahahah. Poor Yuya, though.

Yeah it wouldn't be as mysterious, but without her we'd be pretty darn lost XD

Damn I REALLY want to see Sakuya, I bet she's super pretty too! What little we saw of her looks nice. I bet she'll have answer as to what is the relationship betweem Kyo, Kyoshiro and her...

Imasyon
December 31st, 2004, 02:24 PM
Yeah it wouldn't be as mysterious, but without her we'd be pretty darn lost XD

Damn I REALLY want to see Sakuya, I bet she's super pretty too! What little we saw of her looks nice. I bet she'll have answer as to what is the relationship betweem Kyo, Kyoshiro and her...


*waiting for her impatiently*

Undrave
December 31st, 2004, 02:30 PM
I'm also looking forward to learn more about what happened to Kotaro and Sasuke and their final confrotation.

And also to see Beni kick some more Mibu butt :p

And... what's the deal with Yukimura?!?

Imasyon
January 1st, 2005, 03:16 PM
I'm also looking forward to learn more about what happened to Kotaro and Sasuke and their final confrotation.

And also to see Beni kick some more Mibu butt :p

And... what's the deal with Yukimura?!?

yeah, Yukimura looks very suspicous now...I dont' like him very much, because you never know what his up to... :shifty:

kumoru
January 1st, 2005, 08:50 PM
Hehe, I like Yukimura for that same reason, Imasyon XD;; He's such an interesting character to me because he's so smart that he acts like he isn't so he can get what he wants. That, and when he's being weird, he's just so darned adorable ^^:

Blaah, you all complain about having to wait till Febrary for volume 18... Us Americans will probably have to wait until August x.x

Imasyon
January 2nd, 2005, 06:30 AM
So long????? Poor you!!!!

Undrave
January 3rd, 2005, 03:05 PM
Yeah that'S pretty long.

You said Mahiro fights in volume 18? I like Mahiro ^^ she's cool(and hot!)... tough her hair looks freakishly unnatural :-p
is that where she keeps her spiders or what?!?

Imasyon
January 4th, 2005, 01:53 PM
she makes a net....but spieders weren't there.....but the fight is amazing...she's the only one who managed not to be taken from chinmeis gravity shield...or whtaever you call this thing....-_-;

Undrave
January 4th, 2005, 04:27 PM
Cool ^^ so she's stronger than we think heh? I'm really eager to see it!

Imasyon
January 5th, 2005, 12:58 AM
yes, I didn't thought myself either...she gives her best!

Holy Knight
January 5th, 2005, 05:20 PM
The woman deserves her revenge and they...deserve to die. Revenge is a dish best served cold

(above said statement is a slight spoof of Kill bill #2 :P )

Undrave
January 5th, 2005, 05:53 PM
The woman deserves her revenge and they...deserve to die. Revenge is a dish best served cold

(above said statement is a slight spoof of Kill bill #2 :P )


Lol...

"Mahiro is 'The Spider Ninja' in Kamijyo Tarentino's newest movie: 'Kill Kyo... no wait that's 'Kill Chinmei vol.1'!"

:P

Holy Knight
January 5th, 2005, 06:02 PM
Lol...

"Mahiro is 'The Spider Ninja' in Kamijyo Tarentino's newest movie: 'Kill Kyo... no wait that's 'Kill Chinmei vol.1'!"

:P

See! See!

Now THAT'S one Hollywood film i'd gladly see!

Not like that stupid "sky captain and the world of tomorrow"

(i'm going off-topic, but i have to tell you that, OMFG, that's the worst film that's EVER been created by a human mind!!!111!!!)

*ahem**cough*

and now, back to our daily broadcast!

Undrave
January 5th, 2005, 06:17 PM
"And now, for something completly different..."

hehehehe

What I want to know is how Chinmei killed those soldiers who had failed their mission... I mean it looked as tough he had sliced them apart... was it by controlling gravity?

Also Chinmei is very hard to understand... with all his peace and love talk... stupid killer hippy XD

Undrave
January 6th, 2005, 11:03 AM
I have almost no knowledge of the anime but I found these character profile that deter me all the more to actually see it:


http://sdkdojo.no.sapo.pt/characters.htm

GOD! What have they done oO?!? Hanzo isn't even Ieyasu anymore!

Imasyon
January 6th, 2005, 01:44 PM
GOD! What have they done oO?!? Hanzo isn't even Ieyasu anymore!


What do you mean by that? :unsure:

Undrave
January 6th, 2005, 08:35 PM
Just read the character descriptions! They kept Hanzo Hattori and Ieyasu as two different character, while in the manga the one they first called Ieyasu was a standin and the real one was using the cover identity of Hanzo Hattori, leader of the Iga Ninja!

And did anyone but me noticed that in SDK there is no leader weaker than his underlings? That's cool! Even a politician like Ieyasu seams to have skill...he's the leader of Iga after all.

Imasyon
January 7th, 2005, 06:33 AM
ah ok...now I understand!

Holy Knight
January 7th, 2005, 10:00 AM
o_O nice new avatar, Undrave

BTW, just forget that horrible anime and stick to the manga version...it's a lot less painful that way >_<

Scarecrow
January 7th, 2005, 10:01 AM
I quick question...

Is the anime good / bad? Since I was thinking about buying it..

Holy Knight
January 7th, 2005, 10:32 AM
I quick question...

Is the anime good / bad? Since I was thinking about buying it..

read my above post...

However, i've never seen the anime, but just reading a preview of it makes me go :x

really, the manga is that much better!!

Undrave
January 7th, 2005, 10:32 PM
Just reading those character description make me sick... describing Antera as WEAK?!?

Delariean
January 8th, 2005, 07:36 AM
Lets just say that the anime and manga versions are two completely different versions. The anime is ok, but I think with only 26 eps they try to cram in too much of the magna into the storyline. Eliminating characters and changing characters around just to fit their storyline.

When the anime came out, the manga was only up to vol 18. Now the manga is now up to 30(?) maybe more now in Japan.

The magna I will agree Kicks major A@@. It's best if you stick with the manga if you have read some of it because if you are expecting it to follow the manga storyline, you will be disappointed.
The anime follows the manga to a point, but with all the monster of the week mess, youll hate it.

Now..Bastard (Vol 6 FINALLY came out) is a good anime if you can ignore the horrible subtitling.....

sorry off topic...must stay on topic.....

onward to Vol 11 in Feb.... :shifty:

Holy Knight
January 8th, 2005, 07:38 AM
Just reading those character description make me sick... describing Antera as WEAK?!?

o_O now that's enough!!

This anime already has the potential to cause a mind-warp, and they describe Antera as weak?!

It's more like she doesn't do much, but weak...? nevar!!

Imasyon
January 8th, 2005, 01:23 PM
I've read several reviews from the anime...and the composer were everytime the same opinion (and that's my opinion too): the anime never can go with the manga!

Undrave
January 8th, 2005, 06:02 PM
Antera is far from weak... I mean she swings those maces around like their lollipops... and Santera manipulating people oO?!? Sheesh...

Imasyon
January 10th, 2005, 01:51 PM
Antera, weak???? ok, now I'm sure this is a bad review... Or why in hell did the write this? ._.?

Undrave
January 10th, 2005, 03:52 PM
Also they said she was the weakest of the 12 and that she had 'no fighting ability' oO why would she be in that group without any ability? She's a REAL general! Not a fake one like Okuni or the fake Kubira!

Undrave
January 10th, 2005, 04:10 PM
Here are the actual character description:

Antera: Antera is another member of the Jyunishinsou, and the weakest member in all. She has absolutely no special abilities, and her fragile body can’t take much before it decays and withers away.

Bikara: A member of the Jyunishinsou, a Ken’you, and very egotistical; Bikara thinks he’s one gorgeous Greek god of a fighter - and it’s that which makes him incredibly weak. He has a great amount of love for Antera, his ally in the Jyunishinsou, but lacks any true fighting ability.

WTH?!

Hattori Hanzou: Basically, Hanzo is the captain of the guards in the Tokugawa Clan. Although he is level headed and kind, both his men and his master are unjust in their cause. As the tides shift, Hanzo serves Hidetada with loyalty like Nobuyuki does

He's a NINJA! He's the Leader of Iga and he's REALLY Tokugawa himself!

Hotaru: Once Kyo’s only partner and friend, Hotaru was also a member of the Mibu Clan that defied them and fled with Kyo destroying all in their way. As Kyo disappeared, Hotaru returned to the Mibu Clan. Finally facing Kyo again, Hotaru saw nothing but weakness in him, but the truth was that Kyo never changed… Hotaru had just never realized that Demon Eyes Kyo was his only true friend in this world…

What the frell? What about Bontemaru and the fourth person or Akira?? And I barely understand his history...

Mayumi: Dead sister of Mahiro and Muramasa (killed by Genza), Mayumi was a member of the Mibu Clan at one point.

Hm... NO!

Muramasa: Creator of the five most powerful weapons in all of the world, the "True Muramasas", he was once an elder of the Mibu Clan. Mahiro, from the Tokugawa clan, and Mayumi are his sisters. He helped Kyo on how to improve his Mumyo Jinpuu Ryu (Dark Wind Style) by showing him how to master the basic skill Mizuchi (Dragon Strike) and by teaching him the ultimate technique: Suzaku.

Excuse me but that's FOUR Muramasas: The Tenro, the Shibien, the Hokuraku Shimon and one unknown weapon.

Saisei and Saishi got the same description: One of the Two Mibu Clan Devil Nurses. The Devil nurses give an hell of a fight to Migeira and Benitora who had lost if Yuya hadn't find out how to defeat them.

What the more frell?? And for those wondering Migeira (Or 'Miguel' as it appears he's portugese) is an anime only character.

Santera: A member of the Jyunishinsou, Santera has the ability to manipulate people. Her childlike appearance and devious ways make her one of the more unattractive characters. She was another person that grew up in the “Sea of Trees”, like Sasuke. In the end her true self shines brighter than anything else left in that accursed forest.

What's with the blantant personal judgement??

GAH!

Imasyon
January 11th, 2005, 03:58 AM
OK...that's terrible...:they investigated really bad or understood in a very false way...

Holy Knight
January 11th, 2005, 05:53 AM
Or just tried to be cool and said "hey, why don't we make this story more interesting by making Kyo so above the others as to be a God!!" Sadly, they made everyone weak to make him seem strong...

Btw, just make that: The creators suck! :$%&#!:

Undrave
January 11th, 2005, 04:49 PM
Someone over that animation company deserves to get their butt Mizuchi-ed!

Imasyon
January 12th, 2005, 01:37 PM
yes! that's true!

kumoru
January 12th, 2005, 04:03 PM
Yeah, I watched the anime first. By itself, I suppose it's /okay/, but compared to the manga, it's nothing XP

I was really disappointed with Shinrei in the anime though. He fights Kyo and beats him up before losing to Muramasa like in the manga, but after that he does effectively nothing. The character description there lies. Poor Shinrei spends the last two or so episodes lying around bleeding and whining =/

Undrave
January 12th, 2005, 04:33 PM
That sucks because Shinrei is one of my favorite character! I hope the whole link betweem him and Hotaru is used well in the future... he also seam to have a kinder side, like when he helps that kid at Taihaku's place.

Imasyon
January 14th, 2005, 05:04 AM
yes, I also like Shinrei...he's a very mystireous person and I'm looking forward to what will happen next...but I still don't understand, when he makes an "X" to his symbol on the neck...in the artbook there are some images where he have this...

Undrave
January 16th, 2005, 03:32 PM
Isn't it Hotaru who puts a mark on his kanji?

Holy Knight
January 17th, 2005, 10:48 AM
*Spouts nonsense rambling that mounts to histeria as the days pass as Volume 18 is. Still. Not. Out*

Imasyon
January 17th, 2005, 01:57 PM
what? still not out?
ok, for 19 I have to wait to...only 28 days remaining...a reason why I bought it in french, for english, not only because it would cost the double, it is faster then in english :p

Imasyon
January 17th, 2005, 01:58 PM
Isn't it Hotaru who puts a mark on his kanji?

huh, good question, in fact, I ask myself why das he puts a mark on it... ._.?

Undrave
January 17th, 2005, 04:12 PM
huh, good question, in fact, I ask myself why das he puts a mark on it... ._.?

I think it's to show he's leaving the Mibu clan? I dunno.

Imasyon
January 18th, 2005, 07:17 AM
ah, could be...

Black Swordsman
January 18th, 2005, 10:37 PM
has it been mentioned that the anime is a disgrace to the SDK name? I have it but I'm not gonna finish it, it's collecting dust.

Holy Knight
January 19th, 2005, 08:54 AM
has it been mentioned that the anime is a disgrace to the SDK name? I have it but I'm not gonna finish it, it's collecting dust.

Oh, yes it has been mentioned, in the best possible way :naughty:

Undrave
January 19th, 2005, 09:13 AM
has it been mentioned that the anime is a disgrace to the SDK name? I have it but I'm not gonna finish it, it's collecting dust.

More than once. If I had morep lace in my sig I think I would put that there.

kumoru
January 21st, 2005, 07:43 PM
what? still not out?
ok, for 19 I have to wait to...only 28 days remaining...a reason why I bought it in french, for english, not only because it would cost the double, it is faster then in english :p
Blaah, I wish I could read French.

I'm still waiting for #11 in America ;o;

Black Swordsman
January 21st, 2005, 07:49 PM
well I have all 10 that's been released in NA, but I haven't read the first 7 or so in a long time. That's the problem, I got more books for the series I've been collecting, but it's been months since I read them so I have to go through all of them again. It's a bit of a pain since I know what happens.

Undrave
January 21st, 2005, 09:56 PM
I got volume 18 yesterday! ^^

Hotaru is still cool, even if he's not in there for long hehehe.

That bastard Chinmei...grrr... poor Mahiro... she's great tough.

I like Okuni's new look ^^ but for some reason she reminds me of Faye Valentine with her short hair :p it was nice to see her fight for a little while.

So...Yuya's brother wasn't her actual brother? Could it be he was another renegade Mibu?!? oO OMG! I really want to know more!

Imasyon
January 22nd, 2005, 06:18 AM
I got volume 18 yesterday! ^^

Hotaru is still cool, even if he's not in there for long hehehe.

That bastard Chinmei...grrr... poor Mahiro... she's great tough.

I like Okuni's new look ^^ but for some reason she reminds me of Faye Valentine with her short hair :p it was nice to see her fight for a little while.

So...Yuya's brother wasn't her actual brother? Could it be he was another renegade Mibu?!? oO OMG! I really want to know more!

Yeah, volume 18 is great...but it's only making volume 19 more interesting..I can't wait to have volume 19!!! The fifth febrauar is holy for my...then I'll get it :dance:

I'm eager to know, how the fight kyo vs. chinmei will end...

but undrave, how do you get to this conclusion (spoiler)? ._.?

Undrave
January 22nd, 2005, 10:53 AM
Well the way Tokito talks makes that person sound important... and who can be important to a Mibu beside another one?

Imasyon
January 23rd, 2005, 01:10 PM
Ah, yes, now that I read it again, you could be right...the stuff Tokito sais about the hidden treasure is also very mistyrieos...I really want to ahve volume 19 now!!! :mad: have to way until 5th february...grrr

Undrave
January 23rd, 2005, 05:25 PM
Could the treasure be the secret of Kyo's origin? Could he be Kyoshiro's brother? Or half brother? (tough that would be redundant with the pair of half-brothers we already have -- )

Something tell me we'll just get more questions with volume 19 than answers.... as always XD

Imasyon
January 24th, 2005, 01:37 PM
yes, this is probably what will bring us voluime 19...but even if it were so...we'll continue reading it, don't we?? hehe, the fights and the story are to thrilling and exciting to stop it :-p

Undrave
January 24th, 2005, 04:33 PM
yes, this is probably what will bring us voluime 19...but even if it were so...we'll continue reading it, don't we?? hehe, the fights and the story are to thrilling and exciting to stop it :-p

Yeah! And we still get answers every once in a while!

I'm REALLY looking forward to know what Kyoshiro told Yuya after he killed her brother!

Imasyon
January 24th, 2005, 10:02 PM
Yes...a pity we dunno yet...but this makes the story even more interesting...!

Holy Knight
January 26th, 2005, 01:35 PM
Darn it, i still can't go to buy vol. 18 >_< *suffers extreme withdrawal pains*

Imasyon
January 26th, 2005, 01:36 PM
your sincere? poor you! I'm looking froward to 5th february...to get #19...

Holy Knight
January 26th, 2005, 01:38 PM
your sincere? poor you! I'm looking froward to 5th february...to get #19...



With luck, i'll get it this saturday...with luck...

School started again, so i'm bogged down >_<

Imasyon
January 26th, 2005, 01:49 PM
I don't know if I could bear waiting so long....^_^

Undrave
January 26th, 2005, 05:34 PM
Poor you...

Sometime you just gotta be patien... It's been EONS since the last HunterXHunter volume came out :(

I hope there's a Kyo guidebook at the end of the serie with all the characters and the techniques and Kana releases it ^^ (like Glenat and the KEnshin Guide books)

Holy Knight
January 26th, 2005, 06:06 PM
Poor you...

Sometime you just gotta be patien... It's been EONS since the last HunterXHunter volume came out :(

I hope there's a Kyo guidebook at the end of the serie with all the characters and the techniques and Kana releases it ^^ (like Glenat and the KEnshin Guide books)

Nah, i am a VERY patient person. Usualy, and depending on what it is. :P well, i did wait a whole 4 years for dragonball to finish releasing over here...that taught me the basics...

However! this is Samurai Deeper Kyo we are talking about! *glares at the god of suffering* I shall not be defeated by time!

Hmm, as to the second part of your post, that will only happen if Kamijio does one : \

Imasyon
January 27th, 2005, 01:31 PM
Hmm, as to the second part of your post, that will only happen if Kamijio does one : \

yes, I hope he'll does...

njjn
January 30th, 2005, 07:06 AM
Im lucky in that, I havent read completely up to ten yet and when I do 11 will come out feburary, I think the 8th. But after I read that, I dont know what I'll do. Im pretty patient though.

Imasyon
January 30th, 2005, 01:20 PM
so you're really lucky...I'm dying of impatience!!! It's so interesting and thrilling now, that I'm counting the days till 5th ferbruary will come!!! >_<

Undrave
January 30th, 2005, 04:41 PM
Yeah but soon you'll get to the best parts...

Now I'm so waiting to see how the fight end...


Chinmei just lost a frickin' ARM! And he doesn't seam fazed or scared! Ya know when Mahiro broke his glasses I tought she had taken out his eye...too bad it wasn't the case.

Imasyon
January 31st, 2005, 01:48 PM
moment pleasy, he did WHAT, you say??? (didn't understand anything expect from his glasses...)

Undrave
January 31st, 2005, 05:00 PM
I said that when Mahiro manages to strike him, for a moment I tought she had gauged his eye out!

The more I readi t the more I think vol 18 ROCKS! There's a lot of cool moments in it...

Chinmei got a few moment where he looks REALLY creepy... like when he reappears behind Kyo's back, lighting his small pipe thing or when he's sticking his tongue out or glaring at Mahiro after she hit him!

The part where Kyo says it's like if he killed Mayumi with his own hand... when he refuses Chinmei's proposal...

The funny scenes with Hotaru :p just before he went killer-machine on those Mibu underlings...

Yukimura is a really cool character ^^ he can look so girly at time but when Taihaku ask him if he believes he can take on the Mibus and he got that determined look on his face... he looks like a real man XD.

I want to see Okuni fight some more!

Imasyon
February 2nd, 2005, 01:29 AM
at least Yukimura shows finally a bit more sense of feeling and not joking all the time, so he take things serious...

Undrave
February 2nd, 2005, 05:24 AM
Did you notice in the flashbacks Kyo was already in Kyoshiro's body...but I tought he was dormant until Okuni woke him up... guess he hide away after that or something.

Did you also notice he had no sword with him! He beat those Mibu grunts bare handed! WOW!

Imasyon
February 3rd, 2005, 02:54 PM
Did you notice in the flashbacks Kyo was already in Kyoshiro's body...but I tought he was dormant until Okuni woke him up... guess he hide away after that or something.

Did you also notice he had no sword with him! He beat those Mibu grunts bare handed! WOW!

couldn't it be, that kyo didn't have always long hair? finally kyo and kyoshiro are both very similar to each other for what the appearance is concerned...however it's very interesting indeed...

and yeah, it's remarkable how strong kyo is even without his sword!!! looked very old, these Mibu grunts, :P

Imasyon
February 4th, 2005, 01:25 PM
only one day remaning! I can't wait tomorrow to come...I'm so looking fowrward to have finally volume 19....then I'll know how kyo will fight....against chinmei....yeah!!! :dance:

Holy Knight
February 4th, 2005, 05:17 PM
only one day remaning! I can't wait tomorrow to come...I'm so looking fowrward to have finally volume 19....then I'll know how kyo will fight....against chinmei....yeah!!! :dance:

Don't you dare brag about it though!!! I still can't get my hands on 18, so i'm pretty frustrated....