Jiraiya or Ebisu. Who is the better teacher for Naruto?

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I got this idea after responding to another thread and was wonderin what people thought. Who do you think is or would have been the better teacher for Naruto?

Honestly I think Ebisu might have been better suited for the job from what little we saw. Jiraiya seems to know which moves to teach Naruto, the summoning and the 4th's attack(can't spell it). Also he fixed the attack Oorch used on Naruto. Also Jiraiya is a lot stronger.

Ebisu on the other, after proving that he could teach Naruto, one of the first things he set out to do was teach him how to walk on water and at the same time learn how to better control his power. I have a feeling that he, going off this, might have taught Naruto more practical skills like this and would have been FAR more active in his training Naruto then Jiraiya was. After all that is his primary purpose, to train people. It seems like the last time Jiraiya trained anyone was the 4th's team and we have no clue what happen to the other two members of that team and then he disappeared.

It seems like for the most part, that the training he got from Jiraiya was a waste. The summoning move is great and it was needed but how many other times will he have to use it? Not much I think. It really seems that Naruto is really undertrained when compare with the others in actually learning skills. Considering that others are learning moves that are handed down from their families or receive intense training from their teachers like Kakashi and Sasuke or Gai and Rock.

I don't know, maybe its all in the presentation of how Jiraiya trains Naruto that kinda makes it seem like not much was done. He did teach him how to focus his power more. I get the scary feeling that we will NEVER see Naruto be a tactical fight in actually thinking and coming up with different moves or defences. He seems to just take hits cause he knows he can take them. Never actually using, what is the name of the hand-to-hand fighting. Its rare we ever see that from him.

[bukimi]

I think Ebisu's training style isn't what Naruto would really have learned as well as what Jiraiya teaches him. Jiraiya takes risks with Naruto, which I think is a good thing.

And who else would teach Naruto the Rasengan?

[juri_miki]

Ebisu might have "taught" Naruto to walk on water, but we have to remember something important. Naruto wouldn't even had chakra problems had it not been for Orochimaru's seal which Jaraiya dealt with later once he had noticed it. Ebisu would have been good in going over the basics with this boy, but only Jaraiya could help Naruto in controlling that other wealth of chakra he has.

[Zophar]

Well, if Jiraya taught the 4th's squad, and the 4th was like, the strongest ninja EVAR (I dont' really know, just what I think) then that says something.

[CapsuleCorpJX]

Thats not even an issue. Jiraya of course. He is a Sannin, and Naruto learned so much more from him.

[twilight]

Ebisu would probably do a better job teaching Naruto to improve his basic skills, which would in turn help him overall. But Ebisu can't teach Naruto the powerful attacks he's capable of performing with the nine-tails chakra. Only Jiraya can do that.

[CapsuleCorpJX]

Ebisu would probably do a better job teaching Naruto to improve his basic skills, which would in turn help him overall. But Ebisu can't teach Naruto the powerful attacks he's capable of performing with the nine-tails chakra. Only Jiraya can do that.

Ebisu couldn't even teach Naruto the basics, because he didn't know how to unseal Orochimaru's curse on Naruto.

[twilight]

Ebisu couldn't even teach Naruto the basics, because he didn't know how to unseal Orochimaru's curse on Naruto.

True, he couldn't do it back then, but now that it's unsealed he could. I just think Ebisu would spend more time on stuff like basic skills, but that's also time that Naruto could spend learning bigger moves.

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Also he didn't even know about Orochimaru's curse. Jiraiya didn't even know it was there until he saw it appear on Naruto's stomach. There is a great chance if Ebisu saw it he would try to remove it or take Naruto to someone that could.

[gunslinger]

I think Jiyaiya is the better teacher for Naruto. Keep in mind there is also Itachi to worry about. Ebisu wouldnt be able to help him as much in that area.

[CapsuleCorpJX]

Also he didn't even know about Orochimaru's curse. Jiraiya didn't even know it was there until he saw it appear on Naruto's stomach. There is a great chance if Ebisu saw it he would try to remove it or take Naruto to someone that could.

come on, seriously, Ebisu may be a jounin, but he's a joke character. I don't think he's any stronger than an average jounin, definately not stronger than kakashi. And his training style doesn't seem effective.

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Didn't Kakashi say that Ebisu was better at training and teaching then he was? Also while Ebisu wasn't serious at first after a while he got series until Jiraiya entered the picture. Ebisu is suppose to be a special jounin, meaning he has to be pretty powerfull.

Granted he might not be the best choice.

[Ishiyumi]

Maybe he's just special cuz he knows a lot of stuff and knows exactly what to teach, but I don't thnik he's very powerful. He got knocked out by a (pretty)small frog... <_<

[ffl]

Yeah, I agree with those who think that Jiraiya is the better teacher for Naruto. Ebisu was teaching Naruto the basics, such as controlling his chakra so that he could walk on water, but Jiraiya already knew about the tree climbing exercise and the water walking training, so it would've made little difference which of the two trained him in doing so. Also, we saw Naruto's increase in chakra control once Jiraiya unsealed the Five Element seal, which means that Naruto probably would've gotten the hang of it much sooner if that seal hadn't been on him since he was doing an okay job of controlling his erratic chakra at the time. Besides, Jiraiya got Naruto working on what he should be focusing on when it comes to his jutsu: power. 'Cause it wouldn't matter just how much chakra he has if his jutsu aren't effective against powerful enemies.

When it comes to his summoning technique though... he'll have to work on it so that he can summon something appropriate for the situation rather than going for Gamabunta all of the time. Though I do have a feeling that Gamakichi will come in handy at some point.;) Hehe, his brother too. :spin: "Wai. Wai."

[TheSadOne2k]

Having that summoning move is probably, when honed, one of the best offenses/defenses possible. He can summon all sorts of frogs and we Saw Giraya summon a different one against the snakes.

Not only that, but he taught him how to bring out Kyuubi's chakra... which is beyond insane.

That is what saved them against Gaara. The other training can happen whenever they want to, that training came at a convienently placed time. Besides, after learning to walk on water... even ebisu said there isn't a much more effective way to learn how to controll chakra.

[Xiaoda]

Wasn't Ebisu cold-hearted towards Naruto though? cause of the demon fox etc. just like the other villagers? Naruto will do better with a teacher who genuinely wants him to do well. i think we're agreed that both Jaraiya and Ebisu are well qualified to teach, but behind those dark glasses Ebisu hates Naruto, doesn't he?

[twilight]

Ebisu hates Naruto at first, but later on I think Ebisu learns that Naruto isn't such a bad kid.

[Flounder_81]

I'd say Jiraiya. Ebisu isn't a bad teacher, and he does warm up to Naruto eventually. He could also do well in teaching Naruto the basics. But I think it's more suitable for Jiraiya to teach Naruto. Naruto is much like how Jiraiya was at his age. . meaningless Jutsus (Peeping no Justu, Harem no Jutsu), they both shared the experience of being tied up to the pole on their first training excersise, they both have an outgoing, zany personality. . and Jiraiya can see how thickheaded Naruto is sometimes.

When he was trying to teach him the summoning technique, which required Naruto to really focus and bring out Kyuubi's red chakra like his life depended on it, Naruto couldn't get in the proper mindstate to do it. The solution? Throw him off a cliff. Jiraiya knew that it would take something this extreme for Naruto to finally understand. I sort of doubt Ebisu could bring himself to do something like that. Plus, now that Naruto has learned the Frog summon technique, Jiraiya is perfectly suited to teach him, since Frogs are his specialty. There are lots more that Naruto could probably learn besides summoning Gamabunta. Like how Jiraiya summoned a frog to swallow the hotel when Itachi came.

I guess I just think that if Naruto has the ability to perform these great jutsus, by all means, he should learn them. Especially since no one is quite sure when Orochimaru will make his second attempt at wiping out the village.

[pnaichic]

here's wut i think...basic training is specifically for chakra control..to be able to convert your stamina into chakra and fight a longer battle. thats wut ebisu-sensei said while eating ramen. well everyone think'z naruto is sorta stupid in his chakra control, but not really, its only becuz of the fifth element seal oroch marked on naruto which confuse the 2 chakras inside him... anihow remember d beginning of jiraiya-sama's training for naruto? he said he doesnt need to learn any chakra convertion training (purpose of basic training) because he has a lot of stamina, he only needs to extract the nine-tails power and use it as his own (ebisu-sensei doesnt know this). so wut im saying is wut ebisu-sama is going to teach... naruto already passed that stage, only they couldnt see it and only a sennin/hokage can. Naruto's own chakra cant beat neji thats why everyone was surprise to see that naruto was able to control the fox's chakra. ebisu is undoubtedly great bu jiraiya is better.
do you think naruto will be stronger with d result of ebisu's training or jiraiya??
"good sensei produce good apprentice" heh ~_~

ok i hav a question which naruto do you think is stronger?.... naruto who learns all the basic stuff and learn to convert and conserve his "own" chakra without unleashing part of kyuubi's chakra or naruto learning to combine BOTH red and blue chakra and use it as his own? do you think ebisu sama who hates the nine tail himself can teach naruto to tap kyuubi's chakra in any situation.? naruto himself didnt even know that the red chakra was of the nine tails. on one scene during d naruto/neji fight they specifically present a flashback of jiraiya telling naruto about kyuubi's chakra that's y he was able to ask again for kyuubi's power, and tada! he use it on his own without even loosing his own mind unlike on haku/naruto fight.
do you think he's able to summon gamabunta in his current state with his own chakra level even he learns the basic ? ( during chuunin exam) basic wont increase the amount of his chakra in just a month it would just teach him to conserve it. but learning to control kyuubi's will definitely increase his chakra double,triple, even more. jiraiya and d forth is the only one hu can summon gamabunta (theyre sennin and hokage) which consume great amount of chakra. naruto is a genin... not enough chakra even with the basic learned he cannot summon gama unless he combine his and kyuubi's chakra. simple as that.
try to analyze the resultz both ways and then weigh which would really help him on a battle with a carrier of blood line limit. and also this is a battle against neji who can shut down all his tenketsu's, whats the use of learning his basic if his own chakra was shut down?

[venom112]

do you think naruto will be stronger with d result of ebisu's training or jiraiya??

Jiraiya most likely.
1. removed the seal screwing up Naruto's chakra.
2. taught Naruto to help control his kyuubi chakra by using an effective method against Naruto "life or death."
3. Let Naruto make a pact with frogs which turns out to be invaluable at later times.

[twilight]

well everyone think'z naruto is sorta stupid in his chakra control, but not really, its only becuz of the fifth element seal oroch marked on naruto which confuse the 2 chakras inside him... anihow remember d beginning of jiraiya-sama's training for naruto? he said he doesnt need to learn any chakra convertion training (purpose of basic training) because he has a lot of stamina, he only needs to extract the nine-tails power and use it as his own (ebisu-sensei doesnt know this).

The seal Orochimaru put on Naruto was making it much harder for Naruto to control his chakra, but even before that Naruto was bad at chakra control. Early in the show Kakashi compared Naruto, Sakura, and Sasuke and Naruto was by far the worst at chakra control. He's gotten better since then, but he could probably still stand to practice more. Jiraiya tells him that he doesn't need to worry as much as others about learning control because he has so much chakra, but if he learned control on top of learning to tap all that nine-tails chakra then he would have tons of power. It's great that Naruto can do all these moves no one else can because of the nine-tails, but he'd be even better if he also mastered the basics.

[Nomnomnom]

Ebisu would probably do a better job teaching Naruto to improve his basic skills, which would in turn help him overall. But Ebisu can't teach Naruto the powerful attacks he's capable of performing with the nine-tails chakra. Only Jiraya can do that.

I agree, if Ebisu had been allowed to continure training Naruto, he would be as useless as Temari or Sakura....NO offense to the girls of the series, but they dont have much cut out for them...

[Haruhi]

Ebisu would have been the better mentor in making Naruto a top-grade ninja. He was more focused, and concerned about making Naruto a good ninja, comparable to others. He wants to gradually build up Naruto's tact as a ninja.

Jiraiya, OTOH, just basically tells Naruto "Well, you're already plenty strong. Let's jump from step one to ten."

Basics are most important, and Ebisu would have been the better instructor for that.

Now after that, Jiraiya would be more useful.

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You guys make some good points about the basics. Really without them, you will be limited. Lets take Sasuke for example, I'm sure this kids has the basic down packed. When it come to being an actual ninja, Sasuke will always be ahead of Naruto no matter what. Naruto may be the most powerful and a good fighter but a great ninja, I wonder. I agree, learning the basics and mastering them isn't unimportant, in fact it should be the most important thing you can do. He has no tactics at all and relies on the Nine Tail's power way to much. If its ever removed from him he won't live to long in a serious battle.

I guess that's kinda of the point I wanted to try to get to when I made this post. Granted for purposes of the plot, Jiraya is the better teacher cause he needed those skills but not going by that and if that didn't happen, Jiraya's approach doesn't seem like the best. Sure these large and superpowerful attacks are great but it seems he's just teaching Naruto to rely on that. Granted the amount of attacks one knows doesn't really make the person stronger but varity should be there. Oro seems to be of the opinion that more attacks and skills is the way to go. Jirayia seems to think that knowing a few more powerful skills is the way to go. Both are on the extreme and not really the right way to go in my opinion.

Its just always been something that was bothering since the beginning of the series and even now where the anime and mangas are. Naruto doesn't have any tactics. If he isn't using a powerful attack he gets beat down and attacks tossed aside. He's suppose to be a Ninja. That may be okay for fighters from Dragon Ball Z but not for a show that is suppose to be featuring Ninja. I really wish they were showing how at fault he was in his tactics and that he was learning from that but they seem to be showing examples that keep pushing him in the direction that he is doing good by them and he doesn't need to learn to different way s of approaching a fight.

[pnaichic]

Jirayia seems to think that knowing a few more powerful skills is the way to go. Both are on the extreme and not really the right way to go in my opinion..

dats not how jiraiya thinks from the first place, in later episodes he even rebuke oroch for defining that learned techniques is wut defines a ninja but one who stands and endure it, they hav totally different opinion. >_<

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What I meant was that Jirayia seesm to think knowing a few number of skills but them being powerful and knowing them well are the ways to go. While Oro things knowing a ton of skills is the answer. At least that's the impression I go, especially considering what he was teaching Naruto. He taught him the powerful summoning skill, then the 4th's ability. Two very powerful attacks. In the time he was with Naruto he could have taught him several skills or attacks but he didn't though. He could have worked, even if quickly, on showing him different attacks to make him learning the more powerful resangen easier thus giving Naruto more skills which to defend himself with.

[Gaizokubanou]

I think he probably wanted to teach Naruto very powerful moves because that way he can make good use out of his incredible amount of chakra. He could have taught Naruto lesser skills first, making Naruto work his way to the top, but Jirayia probably didn't want Naruto to waste time mastering skills that will be outdated once he learn more powerful moves.

[Khimatri]

Sorry to ressurect quite an old thread but Jiraiya being a personal favourite of mine, I have a completely different idea of why he taught those moves to Naruto.
In my opinion, him teaching these moves was almost like his way of testing Naruto, to see if he was as strong as the people he had trained before like the fourth. The Summoning technique was Jiraiya's way of seeing if Naruto would be able to control the large amount of chakra that Naruto had contained within him. It was the same kind of thing about the Rasengan, as it didn't use brute force, and it took a lot of skill to master.
I think after this Jiraiya accepted Naruto as being a worthy apprentice as he saw that Naruto wasn't just the unskilled idiot everyone else thought he was.
Anyway, possibly the greatest Hokage of all time was the fourth and he was trained by Jiraiya, so he can't be to bad a teacher :P.

[Brill]

Well as others have pointed out this is a contest between fundamentals and attacks. The question is what is the show's true objctive, to show the development of ninjas or to be a show of great battles. The answer is the latter. Naruto doesn't really focus on fundmentals, it's great for the knowledge base, but walking up trees and walking on water does little to boost ratings. This is a show about battle attacks. Everyone pulls a new magic trick out of their hats for every new episode. Where and how they "discover" them is almost always a mystery. They never discover these techniques by walking on water, it only partially relates to it by dealing with Chakura and their ability to generate it.

Ebisu is like Ikura (sp?), the general teacher in high school that can teach the basics and is good at doing it. However, they are not versed at teaching the higher level material, cause they can't do it. That's the kicker. The higher level techniques can't be taught but have to be discovered by the student themselves. They can't read it in a text book. That's why new techniques are guarded by ninja families so furiously.

[Gaizokubanou]

They can read them in scrolls =) remember that is how Naruto learned his most abused technique in the series.

[Karasute]

Definately Jiraya, He's more experienced and perverted, He's the author of Flirting Paradise. Ebisu also looks up to Jiraya and has all the Flirting Paradise Series in his Closet. Jiraya also can withstand the Temptation no Jitsu.

[Xiaoda]

are we agreed on Jaraiya then?

[Rhio2k]

Naruto needs to find someone to teach him an actual taijustu style. He still fights like a stupid redneck who's seen a few martial arts movies.

[monkeyman101]

wait a minute... first of all it was jaraiya who help naruto to control his chakra
2nd of all he thought naruto how to summon the huge frog, which i may add is what he used to fight shukuka, the thing that was inside gaara. 3rd of all he thought him the rasengan, something that is like ten times more powerful than the chidori, if we may recall the rasengan did much more damage to the water tank than the chidori did and it was just by luck that sasuke was able to knock out naruto in the final fight... 4th of all... do you really want me to continue

[Kali-chan]

I think Jiraiya, for reasons best known to myself.

[gameoffreak8]

Jiraiya, of course.

[monkeyman101]

thank you i have a question. hu here think that naruto is the worst anime, cause i certainly do not, and it just so happens that someone who is in the bleach group thinks that it is...

[appletini]

ebisu + naruto = sakura

jiraiya + naruto = super uber hot *****es followin u around cos of ur hot ninja skillsorz

[DarkSeraph]

Ebisu for basics, Jiraiya for everything else. :D :D

[kybikitsune05]

if ebisu trained naruto, he would we dead. The only real move to fight the chidori is the rasengan.

[animefreak0762]

bwaah i don't enven have 2 thing jiriya he wouldn't have learned summoning jutsu and the rasingun with ebisu duhhhhhh>_<

[DarkNataku]

Ebisu would have taught him control and Jiraiya taught him big moves but i think he still needs more skill in his speed. Most of his opponents are faster than him, maybe he should do a little training with Guy and Lee.

[animefreak0762]

i didn't of that but i guess you righht he should train with guy and lee

[Jack_Bauer]

If Naruto trained with his peers such and improve on the areas where he is lacking, I think he'd be a force to reckoned with.

Imagine Naruto doing Kage Bunshins and assigned one per person..it will equal to months, and even years of training all rolled into a few days. With naruto's cloning technique and his persistance, anything is possible.

[animefreak0762]

If Naruto trained with his peers such and improve on the areas where he is lacking, I think he'd be a force to reckoned with.

Imagine Naruto doing Kage Bunshins and assigned one per person..it will equal to months, and even years of training all rolled into a few days. With naruto's cloning technique and his persistance, anything is possible.

you do have a point about that

[DarkNataku]

Of course he would also have a giant headache after all the clones get back together.

[Jack_Bauer]

he'd be hurting for days on end.

BUT! thats where his fast recovery abilities comes into play. Thanks to the Kyuubi's chakra inside him, Naruto recovers very rapidly