Final Fantasy: Overrated or not?

[DAM8024]

I can't believe there is an actual FF forum :lol:. Well, I never post in the Video Games forums on AN so I probably missed it. I can't seem to find this topic in the past threads of this forum but forgive me if it was already discussed somewhere.

Ok so before reading on, keep in mind that I'm not flaming or trolling or anything. I'm just bringing up a valid point that should be considered.

Back in the day, I played FF1 on the NES due to Nintendo Power's praise of the game (I still have my NES in good condition) when practically no one played rpgs because they were so tedious. FF1 was tedious and my game erased twice when I had gotten to the last level of the game to fight Chaos. As a result, it took me years but on my third try, I finally beat the game and to this day, that game hasn't erased. FF1 was a blast. I loved it!

To make this as short as possible, I'll say that later I beat FF7 and loved it, got very far in FF8 and started FF6 on playstation 1. We know FF7 started an rpg revolution here in the US. Rpgs are great and FF is good up to a point until it becomes repetitive.

Now I'm really starting to get sick of hearing FF everywhere I go and how it is best rpg series ever made. It makes me feel worse when I see FF characters appear in Kingdom Hearts just so that they can get the game to sell. Or when they attach Final Fantasy to Crystal Chronicles when that game isn't even really FF in a blatant attempt to get it to sell more. I don't think they are the best rpgs ever nor do many rpg fans play other rpgs besides FF yet they proclaim the series to have the best rpgs ever. Yea, yea I know I sound elitist blah blah but it's true. It's become way overrated. Rpg fans shouldn't be overlooking games like Xenogears, Suikoden, Grandia, Star Ocean or even PC Rpgs like Baldur's Gate just to jump to buy every FF title that comes out no matter how repetitive FF gets using basically variations of the same battle/magic systems of previous FF games.

Thank you for reading my rant. Agree or disagree?

[Arsinol]

Of all the FF's out there I'd say there are 3, maybe 4, overrated titles. Final Fantasy VII, of course, Final Fantasy X, and Final Fantasy X-2.

[Lemina]

I think the Final Fantasy series is one of the most successful RPG's of all time in the video game industry. It has been so for a reason, and it's because Final Fantasy has spawned more than 12 games now, because it's been so successful. It's been out for almost two decades from the NES, all the way to the Playstation 2 now. As new generation of gamers come by, when someone mention Final Fantasy, they allready know what it is, it's really gotten that popular. Even if they don't know anything about videogames wouild know what Final Fantasy is, it's just been out for such a long time. I don't think it's overrated at all, it's a good series.

If you ask me, I absolutely love the music, the gameplay, the characters, the stories in Final Fantasy, it's all so sweet. This is one of the best PRG series out there but it certainly isn't for everyone. The gameplay is usually way to linear and not everyone will like the turn-based battles that take place here. Some people actually don't like the style; either people will completely love it, or they will hate it. The good thing about this series was that just about every Final Fantasy game was a little different from the rest. If you disliked playing one of of the games, chances are that you might like playing another of the released FF games. It's not a bad series, it's just that you just have to experience them for yourself to see if your going to like it.

[Siendra]

The series as a whole is over rated.

[Rival Schools]

DAM8024, I really agree. I think there are many other RPGs that the fans should be playing ALONG with FF, like Breath of Fire, Grandia, Skies of Arcadia, and the like. The problem with FF is, the battle system hasn't undergone too much change(except in FFX-2), and the story doesn't seem to have changed much either in the past few years.

Personally, I think the FF fans who haven't played any other RPGs should go out and play one of the RPGs I mentioned above, at least once. Then they'll see it's not all about Final Fantasy, and that there are some equal, if not better, RPGs out there.

Like take Star Ocean 2 for instance. Its battle system is so open ended that you can choose whether you want a more turn-based or real-time fight. How many RPGs do that? Plus, the story of SO2 is pretty deep, and the characters in the game mature pretty well(see Rena for proof ^-^). The sprites are also well-drawn, and they are beautiful.

Or Breath of Fire 4, with its dragon transformations and its spell-comboing system. Not only is the battle system deep, it opens up more strategy(comboing an opponent dead, countering, etc). And helping to build a village for the fairies in the game nets you sound tests, art, new moves, and more. And the animations are very fluid.

Sorry if I offended anyone with my post, but I just got up, and I'm feeling kinda weird. My train of thought has derailed @_@

[Jae Hoon]

As a whole no not really. FF is a good series always has been, even there worst game FFX-2 has such an engaging combat system it still merits play.

[Arsinol]

The series as a whole is over rated.

That's not necessarily true. Very rarely do you hear a rabid fanboy talk about any FF before VII.

[Alundra]

OK, hopefully I will be the first person to post in here before this turns into an all-out flame war.

Final Fantasy can and can't be called an overrated franchise in many different ways. When the series was just a little fledgling, it couldn't be called overrated since it introduced to us the Japanese-style of RPG's (along with Dragon Warrior), and it always seemed to improve upon itself.

Even when FF began to gain steam and mow over the competition, it wasn't called overrated when FFVI came out, which in my opinion, was the epitome of the series. Up until that point, Final Fantasy wasn't all about the hype, it was about how it could improve itself in the means of storyline and battle system/job-esper system. It was never really about the graphics at the point; sure, it was pretty, but the fact still remained: the games were coming to a point where story and character development were key. Also, the inclusion of a fun, yet deep battle/job system was also another key to the series success.

But when the PSX rolled around, Square showed some change in their philosophy of the FF games, this is where I think that the series became overrated.

If anyone managed to get their hands on Square's promotional FF7 video that also featured the likes of Bushido Blade and FFT, they may be on the same page as me. When you popped in that video into the ol' VHS, you noticed something different about the game: the amazing graphics. And instead of Square talking about the characters, jobs, storyline as the key objective of the game, they stayed mainly on one thing: graphics. By the end of the video, you still had questions like: "So, what are the characters like?" and, "How's the storyline?".

And this showed through in the game, the storyline and characters were so disjointed at times, you had to go read an expert synopsis just to get the jist of whats going on. And even with that, you still didn't grasp it completely. But instead, you were marveling at the landscape of the the Shinra Mako generators, or oogling over the bouncy, oversized breasts of Tifa; anything to take you away from the "storyline".

And this trend seemed to continue into the next installment, making the traditional FF storyline a joke. The storyline could have been easily taken out by Star Ocean 2 (which I think it did). The story of teen-angst was 3 steps back for Square, and yet, droves of people snatched the 8th installment like hotcakes, and it recieved rave reviews all over the place, even though the storyline seemed as if it was written by someone on the same page as Russel Simmons Def Poetry and Slipknot at the same time.

Thus, overrated.

But then, the game regained it's glory back in what I think was FF's last hurrah in the ingenuity and creativity department: FFIX. The game featured the most memorable cast of characters, and the philosophy of "going back to our roots" was prevalent throught. The game also recieved rave revies, but some of them now didn't like the "old-style of gameplay" that IX had.

I think this is where X got it's philosophy, the "something completly different" idea. And from there on, I think that the series went back to it's overrated status, no questions asked.

I know that it seemed unneccasary to write this big article, but I had to illustrate my timeline appropriately, sorry.

[Siendra]

Yes, but if Final Fantasy is attached to anything, fanboys go insane. I suppose it would be more accurate to say the franchise is overated, but, meh.

[Rival Schools]

Who said this was turning into a flame war? :unsure: As for me, I think FF is overrated, since there are so many other good RPGs out there. I think the FF fanboys should give other games a chance. That's all I'm saying. If you like FF and other RPGs, then that's cool. But if you only like FF and none of the other RPGs, you're probably a fanboy.

[DAM8024]

A few things here.

Yes Yuri-chan, it's very successful but that doesn't mean it's the best rpg series ever. It's good but not as good as some make it out to be. It's really popular but that doesn't make it the best either. Of course, what is the best is based off of opinion. I love FF and all the aspects which you listed but not so much anymore because it's starting to get repetitive. I think Square Enix needs to end the series and make fresh rpgs that will revolutionize the genre. Of course, this will never happen and they will never end the series as game companies just want to be safe now and make sequels that will sell. In the end, that's what most new crappy games are namely sequels that don't begin to equal their predecessors.

And yes to answer everyone else, it's not the individual games that are overrated but the name itself of Final Fantasy.

No I don't think this has degenerated into a flame war. Many good points have been brought up by all.

[Alundra]

Who said this was turning into a flame war? :unsure:

You haven't been here long enough to witness the sheer magnitde of an all-out Final Fantasy flame war over something simple.

[Arsinol]

Who said this was turning into a flame war? :unsure: As for me, I think FF is overrated, since there are so many other good RPGs out there. I think the FF fanboys should give other games a chance. That's all I'm saying. If you like FF and other RPGs, then that's cool. But if you only like FF and none of the other RPGs, you're probably a fanboy.

I don't think you can call the series overrated, because there are only a couple of titles with unworthy praise. I think it's more accurate to call the name "Final Fantasy" overrated since anything it's attached to seems to sell without question. That's more fair, FFI-VI, IX, Tactics, TA, etc. are very good titles.

[ApostleOfZeon]

My two cent's...

It would be wrong to say that FF had no bad installments, prior to it's PS days. Many would deem II and V as a let-down for the sereis, so saying that the old-school days of FF were the 'be all and end all' of quality FF titles is technically inaccurate. The entirety of the sereis, IMO, has had it's fair share of up's and down's, neither of which can be attributed to any paticular era of gameing. Although it's fairly obvious that FF has deteriorated in quality over a due course of time, it's not as if it didn't make it's fair share of mistakes prior to the PS era.

[Akito]

I think the series as a whole is extremely overrated. In Final Fantasy 1-6, there was a lot of consistancy among the games. Even though the games took place in different worlds and had no story connections, they all had a similar environment and could be easily recognized as a Final Fantasy game just by playing them. Now the consistancy is gone. Any game can be a Final Fantasy game if Square wants it to be one. I mean, they can basically make any game they want and disguise it as an FF game, and fanboys wont notice. The series as a whole has a large fanbase, and people are going to stay loyal to it. Because of this, the quality of each individual game isn't that important anymore.

Final Fantasy use to be a video game series that only RPG fans knew about and loved. Now it's just mainstream garbage. It just bugs me that a truly amazing game like Final Fantasy VI can have the same title as the trash Sqaure is releasing these days.

[Arsinol]

I just hope that we won't have to add FF12 (Gotta use numbers now because people are stupid) to the list of bad installments. :(

[ApostleOfZeon]

I just hope that we won't have to add FF12 (Gotta use numbers now because people are stupid) to the list of bad installments. :(

Well, i'm quite taken with the significant changes that SE are taking with this title. Especially the Battle System, which quite honestly, needs to be refurbished. The random battles are gone also, which is a very nice additon if you ask me.

I'm hoping this will be a turning point for FF.

[xFANCY_MOOSEx]

Here's the problem, as the series is getting more popular, the more ppl like them (I'm more of a fan for the 2D ones) I also don't like how almost no one likes Dragon Warrior. I personally think that it beats FF in several fields.

[Alundra]

Well, i'm quite taken with the significant changes that SE are taking with this title. Especially the Battle System, which quite honestly, needs to be refurbished. The random battles are gone also, which is a very nice additon if you ask me.

I'm hoping this will be a turning point for FF.

I don't think that taking random battles away from a game can neccessarily make it better; you have to just have to have a fun battle system.

I wouldn't have cared if ToS had random battles, since the battle system is so godly.

[DAM8024]

FF can be easily beaten by many other rpg series. Ah Dragon Warrior is a great series though hard as hell. Also remember the Ultima series.

[Lemina]

Yes, I agree. Sadly the series has gotten way too repetitive lately and it doesn't sem to have that same spark it used to have. I loved Final Fantasy X, but I haven't played FFX-2 myself and many people claim that this story isn't interesting. I have yet to play FF XI or XII so I wouldn't konw what to expect but I do think that if Square/Enix does finish off the Final Fantasy series, they should really finish it out with a bang. Unfortunately, all great series are meant to die sooner or later.

[kilikAbeast]

i was thinking about this the other day and i was just wondering what it would be like if square didnt whore the "Final Fantasy" name.

If they just put aside the urge to slap a label on it in hopes of attracting more buyers, and actually had the brains to slap a different label on each game so many of the disputes and arguments would be eliminated.

If you think about it other than the desire for money there is no reason to name every game final fantasy. there is no continuation between games, no returning characters or plot elements. (and yes i know about chocobos and moogles and cid and vicks and wedge so please dont criticize me) unlike the suikoden games where there is one massive story being told, final fantasy just restarts every time with a new world, new plot and new characters.

There would be no more hate of the final fantasy series as a whole, people could just hate on the individual games they dislike. Final Fantasy fanboys would be eliminated, instead you could just easily dismiss anyone who posts in a thread about "Mako Disaster" (what they should have called 7) as we all know that game deserves little merit.

anyways just something i was thinking the other day. Final Fantasy should have been eliminated after 1 and new names should have been used for each suceeding Final Fantasy. doing so would have made the online forum world a better place

[Arsinol]

I'll admit, at first FFX was good, but I grew to hate it because of it's anti-climatic ending and the sphere grid system. That system eventually made most party members, Lulu, Wakka, and Rikku, useless.

Khimarhi was useless to begin with by the way.

[kilikAbeast]

wakka with break damage limit and attack reels wasnt so useless

[Arsinol]

wakka with break damage limit and attack reels wasnt so useless

Meh, I never really found much use for him outside of fighting winged fiends.

[ApostleOfZeon]

Unfortunately, all great series are meant to die sooner or later.

Says who? I cant imagine a Nintendo without Mario.

(NOTE: I am not stating that Nintendo's qualites lie completely in there old age franchise's ie. Mario. And neither am I saying that they would fail as a buisness without them. So please, with that said, no taking my comment out of context).

[Mercenary]

They are all overrated, but most of them are good anyway.

4,5,8,9 are borderline though, they are possibly not overrated at all. :|
But 6,7,10 Are extremely overrated. (Even though 7 is my favorite).

[Rival Schools]

I'm saying that both the game and the name are overrated. I'm not trying to offend anyone, but how many times do you see fanboys playing FF and then they say, "Oh, wow, this is the best series ever and nothing can compete!"

Some of you may not have been in a situation like this, but I have, a bunch of times. Especially with the newer titles, you know, 7-10. I didn't necessarily like FF 7-10, nor did I like 5-6 too much(But they were OK). Yet you see all sorts of fanboys raving about 5-10 like they were the best RPGs ever created, when most other RPGs are of equal or better quality! So it's not just the name that's overrated. In effect some of the games are also overrated.

The only reason I didn't include 11 is because I have never played it, so I have nothing to say about that game. Plus, it's a MMORPG, so it doesn't count as a true FF game.

There were a couple of great FF titles, like the FFT series, but the problem is, they don't count as true RPGs, so you can't really include them. Plus, I don't remember either of the FFT games selling that well, so that kinda narrows the path a little bit.

Again, sorry if I offended anyone, my English sounds a lot better if I am actually speaking. That means the wrong words tend to come out when I'm typing.

[ApostleOfZeon]

FFVII was responsible for introducing many new gamer's to RPG's, and was very much responsible for bringing Japanese RPG's to the West, and the mainstream market in general. For this, we can be thankful.

However, this alone cemented the name 'Final Fantasy' in the mind of new RPG gamers everywhere, thus remaining synonomous in their mind with 'the ultimate RPG' sereis ever.

Thus, rabid fanboys were created...

[Flounder_81]

FF VIII was the first RPG I played, and it inspired me to play the other FF's, as well as to just get hooked on RPG's in general, so I always have the series to thank for that.

I think the series is in need of an overhaul. They need to sit back and brainstorm, and think about why the FF series became such a big hit in the first place. I just hope we don't see another FF game that's got the YRP syndrome.

[Seijuro_Hiko_IX]

Final Fantasy is overrated nowadays. It used to be a very little known game series, that was only brought over here because, somehow, Dragon Warrior managed to get some decent popularity in the NES days. But now... Eh, forget it... Lets just say that Final Fantasy is now as mainstream as an RPG can possibly get and the product we get now reflects that.

[Justin]

Yes, but if Final Fantasy is attached to anything, fanboys go insane. I suppose it would be more accurate to say the franchise is overated, but, meh.

That's really an unfair thing to say. You could slap on "Tales of" or "Xeno" or "Nippon Ichi" on the front of the box and the fanboys for those titles will go just as insane too. It works with any game, not just FF.

[InitialS]

That's really an unfair thing to say. You could slap on "Tales of" or "Xeno" or "Nippon Ichi" on the front of the box and the fanboys for those titles will go just as insane too. It works with any game, not just FF.

Exactly!! just because a lot of people love the series and a few others dislike it, it becomes overrated. Its a double standard in my opinion. You can take every other series and call it overrated just because you dont like it. I can make a few example but if I start naming series, I am sure I will get flamed by most of you.

[Rahxephon91]

You know what FF has always been mainstram since number 2, just not here. I'm so tired of people calling FF overated since FF7.

[MightyDustLoop]

Overrated as hell. I kinda liked the series until the internet. Now I can never get excited about another FF. Why? Cuz I will encounter a person on every single segment of the damn love it/hate it spectrum between forums and reviews and will never be able to tell if it's any good without playing one myself. Which I probably never will. Because I end up having time for several a year so I go with only the stuff that is pretty much universally said to be good. Wish I was still in grade school.

[LadyAkuma]

FF may be overrated, but it's still a quality series. Some particular games in the series are made out to be much much better than they actually are, and I am very tired of hearing about them, but what can I do? There are plenty of other RPGs that offer hours of enjoyment, for some these games are actually better than FF games. So in conclusion....

whatever, I don't care.

[kilikAbeast]

That's really an unfair thing to say. You could slap on "Tales of" or "Xeno" or "Nippon Ichi" on the front of the box and the fanboys for those titles will go just as insane too. It works with any game, not just FF.

im gonna go out on a limb here and say that there is a HUGE difference.

while it is true that every series has its respective fanboys the sheer amount of final fantasy fanboys is the deciding factor here. Im sure if you looked at the sales for all the games you listed and then compared them with a list of the FF series sales thered be a disgustingly large difference in overall sales.

thats what people are basing this overrated issue on.

[MightyDustLoop]

All Square has to do is continue throwing the FF name on every thing they produce, from the quality to the trash. Then people will slowly start to give it no emphasis. They're doing a great job of it now. I see a Final Fantasy Revolution on the horizon.

[JOJO]

I chose "It might be a little overrated but it's still good." I'm referring to the entire series as a whole and not just the latest games. I could post a really long essay which I did on another forum on how I think FF has sold out but I think we're tired of that. NES FFs were neither since they were just the first installments of the series. SNES FFs I believe were underrated even today despite fanboys and old-schoolers. FF7 was really good imo, but the PSX/2 FFs are quite overrated and don't deserve the number of sales they've been receiving when they've actually sacraficed a lot of gameplay for aesthetics (not counting Tactics). Don't get me wrong as both are good. It's just that they've lost that proportion between the 2 they once had (which is what made them great in the first place) in favor of the latter.

[Dalmain]

FF is not my favorite rpg series, but I know enough to know that their good rpg's. I don't think their overrated for the most part...though some are on the brink of being so.

[ApostleOfZeon]

what is your problem, why must you come in the FF boards and always bash it. How would you like it if I went into a Zelda board and said Zelda is crap.

Dont worry about it Rahxephon91, I just reported him. Morons like that should just be ignored, especially those with a username that suggests a 50cent fetish.

[G-UnitSoldier]

what is your problem, why must you come in the FF boards and always bash it. How would you like it if I went into a Zelda board and said Zelda is crap.

That statement would be false because everyone knows zelda is one of the greatest game series ever and it owns FF hands down .

[Rahxephon91]

Dont worry about it Rahxephon91, I just reported him. Morons like that should just be ignored, especially those with a username that suggests a 50cent fetish.

Thanks................(damn limit)

[Rahxephon91]

That statement would be false because everyone knows zelda is one of the greatest game series ever and it owns FF hands down .

your satement is false because I could think the FF series is the best video game series. Its all a matter of tatse. You can hate FF all you want,but I would think people would have the intellgence not to in a Final Fantasy board. Are you that stupid.

[NakedEYE666]

I chose the last option :D

[KT Kore]

Yes it's overrated but I've never played an FF game before.

[Jae Hoon]

G Unit I suggest you stop now.
Any more posts like that will be deleted and you will be dealt with.

You have officialy been owned by the VG Mod.

Act Like you Know

[Mimiru]

I enjoy Final Fantasy - everytime I think one a new FF game is going to suck - they prove me wrong. Except for FF8... that one.. was bad. Anyway, I enjoy it - I don't think it can be overrated as long as there is that little mob of people who hate it and say it sucks without giving any good excuse except for the term: "Graphic Whore" being used over and over.

Which is strange because, even though they do care about graphics a lot - what other company doesn't?

[Mimiru]

Ah yes, we should all think exactly like the game critics do :rolleyes:

Who needs opinions anyway?

What if that opinion is your own?

Also, you can't completely dismiss a game critic. Even though you may disagree - they can sometimes tell you what you're getting yourself into before even playing.

[Chrono]

What if that opinion is your own?

Also, you can't completely dismiss a game critic. Even though you may disagree - they can sometimes tell you what you're getting yourself into before even playing.
But what if that opinion isn't your own?

He's saying that just because the game critics said so that everyone should think so too.

[Mimiru]

But what if that opinion isn't your own?

He's saying that just because the game critics said so that everyone should think so too.
I understand what the guy was saying. I'm also stating that people can use game critics as a guide as to what they're getting out of the game. If they should really spend 50 bucks for this title or not. I'm not saying "You have to listen to game critics no matter" what because that is completely absurd.

Also, are you saying that just because the opinion isn't your own - you shouldn't listen to it?

[NakedEYE666]

I never said that but zelda owns FF its the truth .

Your argument is one of the worst I've heard in a long time.

"It's the truth." doesn't cut it. :)

[Mimiru]

I never said that but zelda owns FF its the truth .

See, I don't agree with your opinion. But I am accepting it

Personally, my opinion is - you're - lesse, I want to say retarded, but there has to be a nicer way of saying that. Anyway, Final Fantasy in my opinion is better.

[ApostleOfZeon]

GUnit is deleting his own post's. You'd think being humiliated by Hero in the Worst FF thread would have made him actually use a brain cell in his future posts. I guess not.

Meh, i'll leave him alone now, I suggest everyone else does also. I've reported him twice and Jae Hoon has issued him a firm warning. I assume he'll either be banned or 'shut up' very soon.

And now, back on topic...

[Jae Hoon]

Actually im deleting his posts not him. While you cant seem them me and the Smods can still see them.

[ApostleOfZeon]

Actually im deleting his posts not him.

Ok, sorry. But what I said still stands.

[Chrono]

I understand what the guy was saying. I'm also stating that people can use game critics as a guide as to what they're getting out of the game. If they should really spend 50 bucks for this title or not. I'm not saying "You have to listen to game critics no matter" what because that is completely absurd.

Also, are you saying that just because the opinion isn't your own - you shouldn't listen to it?
I never said game critics weren't useful or you should never listen to them. I read game critic reviews all the time.

I am just saying that they are not always right, and that their words shouldn't always be taken as if they were the word of God. He was implying that just because something the critics say, we should all think so. I was just telling him that we dont always have to think like them.

I don't even know why you're trying to get into an argument with me about this.

[HeroOfTime]

*copies all of G-Units posts, prepares to paste them later*

MWAHAHAHA!

-- Hero of Time

[MightyDustLoop]

See, I don't agree with your opinion. But I am accepting it

Personally, my opinion is - you're - lesse, I want to say retarded, but there has to be a nicer way of saying that. Anyway, Final Fantasy in my opinion is better.

To keep in line with the thread, regardless of which is better (total preference there), they are both definitely classified as overrated. Just look at the contests at a FAQ site whose name I need not mention. They've ruined them since inception.

[F Stop]

You guys need to chill out with these posts. The Mods and Admins have had to interject a lot lately, and it's getting quite tiresome. If you don't have anything valid to say, or you're only here to flame, keep your mouth shut.

[Justin]

im gonna go out on a limb here and say that there is a HUGE difference.

while it is true that every series has its respective fanboys the sheer amount of final fantasy fanboys is the deciding factor here. Im sure if you looked at the sales for all the games you listed and then compared them with a list of the FF series sales thered be a disgustingly large difference in overall sales.

thats what people are basing this overrated issue on.

It's also unfair to say there's a difference just because FF is more popular. Fanboys will be fanboys regardless of what series it is so saying FF is overated just because it has more fans than another series, rather than judging it by the content of the games, really doesn't hold up in a debate. You people make it sound as if FF series fans are nothing but mindless drones who go out and buy everything with an FF on it rather than realizing that we buy the games simply cause we enjoy them.

[kilikAbeast]

your post is counterintuitive because thats exactly what im saying.

look at the sales for FFVII, other than its pleasing aesthetics this game fails in alot of different areas that fans of the genre play the games for. so how are they "judging it by the content in the game"?

[MightyDustLoop]

You people make it sound as if FF series fans are nothing but mindless drones who go out and buy everything with an FF on it rather than realizing that we buy the games simply cause we enjoy them.

You know though, there's really not a whole lot of logic for Square to call its new GBA entry "Final Fantasy" Tactics Advance if they didn't think the name sold games. Sugar-coat it anyway you want to, people buy and play because the words Final Fantasy are there. Not to say every fan lights up and throws their wallet at the mention of the words, but some do.

To me, when it gets to the point where a good size of people buy totally non related games due to the attachment of the property name, that property name becomes "overrated". It varies by the person for sure, but if something has to be considered overrated, that's just where I draw my line.

[SuperHiko]

It's pretty damn overrated now a days.

[Arsinol]

You know though, there's really not a whole lot of logic for Square to call its new GBA entry "Final Fantasy" Tactics Advance if they didn't think the name sold games. Sugar-coat it anyway you want to, people buy and play because the words Final Fantasy are there. Not to say every fan lights up and throws their wallet at the mention of the words, but some do.

You do know that there has been a Final Fantasy Tactics before Advance right? FFTA is more traditional than most recent FF's could hope to be. FF12 takes place in the FFTA world.

[SuperHiko]

You mean it takes place in the FFT world of Ivalice or rather it shares the same name.

[MightyDustLoop]

I'm quite aware of past entries like FFT and of course Crystal Chronicles and such.

That Ivalice thing is news to me though. I bet that's started all kinds of wild speculation. I had some glimpses of Tactics' story (watching my younger bro play years ago) though I never played the game for myself b/c SRPGs were never my thing, and it was pretty stellar. Probably even better than any of the plots in the actual FF series.

[Red Baron]

It's pretty damn overrated now a days.

yet u have a ff icon, that a good ff i must say

[DarkDuelist]

Here is my two bits..
The series is good and I love it. I also play other titles such as the .hack series and the Xenosaga series. I also play Pokemon too. The point is the game sells itself to some of us and not the others. I am not a big fan of FPS and horror based genre and the hate the whole line of grand theft auto, but thats me not you. Its just an outlook that I have.

Ash

[Mimiru]

I don't even know why you're trying to get into an argument with me about this.

... I wasn't trying to start an arguement ::curls up in a ball:: I'm so misunderstood ;___;

[kilikAbeast]

yet u have a ff icon, that a good ff i must say

yeah its a good thing he distinguished that FF is overrated NOWADAYS and his avatar is from a FF game that dates back to 1994.

[MightyDustLoop]

Yeah, not to argue that FF6 itself couldn't have been overrated (I think it to be a bit so myself), but FF hadn't exactly reached its peak popularity at the time. And you can admit something's overrated and still like it. There's nothing wrong with that. A lot of stuff I enjoy is overrated, like Halo. It didn't revolutionize FPS, but it's the first one I really enjoyed.

[HeroOfTime]

You people make it sound as if FF series fans are nothing but mindless drones who go out and buy everything with an FF on it rather than realizing that we buy the games simply cause we enjoy them.

Huh.

From this post. (http://animenation.net/forums/showpost.php?p=3985025&postcount=7)

Why should they stop milking their best selling product of all time? You know you'll buy whatever they release, just like everyone else.

Kind of hard to argue two sides of the same coin, isn't it?

-- Hero of Time

[Onv]

Here's the problem, as the series is getting more popular, the more ppl like them (I'm more of a fan for the 2D ones) I also don't like how almost no one likes Dragon Warrior. I personally think that it beats FF in several fields.
You mean the Dragon Quest series?

[HeroOfTime]

You mean the Dragon Quest series?

Same thing.

Enix just thought Dragon Warrior would sell better than Dragon Quest. :rolleyes:

-- Hero of Time

[Lemina]

One thing I've never liked about RPG's was about how linear games could be one way or another. The Final Fantasy series is a great example of thist because just about every Final Fantasy game was linear in some way. Personally, I prefer to play PRG's where we actually have the freedom to do others things besides just following the obvious storyline or having these random battles out of nowhere. I thought Chrono Trigger was really great game in a way because this game wasn't linear at all. It was still very enjoyable to play and you could litterally go anywhere you want to go to gain experience between all the time warps and everything.

I really liked the sphere grid system in Final Fantasy too because we could have to choice to branch out and gain other abilites than the normal as we would like. I thought this system wasn't linear, I really liked it alot.

[Seijuro_Hiko_IX]

You mean the Dragon Quest series?


In America it's Dragon Warrior. Correcting someone like that is like correcting someone who lives in America for calling Rockman, Megaman. That is what it is known as here, calling it Dragon Warrior is not incorrect.

[keated]

They are all overrated, but most of them are good anyway.

4,5,8,9 are borderline though, they are possibly not overrated at all. :|
But 6,7,10 Are extremely overrated. (Even though 7 is my favorite).

(*phew*) i was beginning to think no one else shared my viewpoint here :)

before i played FF7, the only RPG i'd really played was Diablo, with the ever popular 'frantically fire arrows/fireballs while legging it' approach... lol... FF7 was somethign different, more story based, and a little less stressful... lol...

overated? By some people, perhaps... but i think there's quite a few who underate it also... probably nowhere near cancelling out proportions, but still...

[Onv]

In America it's Dragon Warrior. Correcting someone like that is like correcting someone who lives in America for calling Rockman, Megaman. That is what it is known as here, calling it Dragon Warrior is not incorrect.
Oh. I didn't know that. I haven't heard the name Dragon Warrior before.

[Justin]

You know though, there's really not a whole lot of logic for Square to call its new GBA entry "Final Fantasy" Tactics Advance if they didn't think the name sold games. Sugar-coat it anyway you want to, people buy and play because the words Final Fantasy are there. Not to say every fan lights up and throws their wallet at the mention of the words, but some do.

Um...FFTA isn't the first game in the tactics series you know. Why not tack the name "Final Fantasy" on it? It has Chocobos, Moogles, Cid, and all the other normal things you'd see in an FF game, all thrown into a fantasy world setting. If Squeenix made a street crime game and called it Grand Theft Fantasy that had nothing to do with the FF series, then I could see your point. But complaining that they just tacked on the name to sell more copies is kind of ignorant. I suppose they're just "tacking on" the name to their upcoming 12th installment of the main series too?

yeah its a good thing he distinguished that FF is overrated NOWADAYS and his avatar is from a FF game that dates back to 1994.

Cause it's ok to have a classic FF avatar, but if you have one of Cloud or Sephiroth you should be dragged out onto the street and shot for being a fanboy. That's how it goes isn't it?

[kilikAbeast]

that has nothing to to do with what i posted so why did you quote me???

the person made a comment that he was being a hypocrit for having a FF avatar, when superhiko cleary stated that it was overrated nowadays. his avatar being from FF6 invalidated the first persons statement. nowhere did i say that it was wrong to have a current FF avatar.

i fact if youve ever seen any of my posts on RPGs i have clearly stated MANY times that i have never hated an RPG, and ive played quite a few. my scale goes from average to excellent and nowhere will you ever see me say i hate an RPG. Granted that FF7 did get an average from me, but that was mainly because that lack of story and character development that was sub par. This is also the same person who actually thought FF8 and FFX were above average titles.

[SuperHiko]

ewww you thought ffviii was above avaerage? I lost respect for you lol

[Wolverine]

FF is the most overrated games ever next to Halo .

[Mercenary]

FF is the most overrated games ever next to Halo .

You forgot GTA3, VC, Counter Strike, and a bunch others. :)

[keated]

yes, counterstrike... (*mumbles the words 'burn, burn, burn and die CS!!!' under breath*)

[Wolverine]

You forgot GTA3, VC, Counter Strike, and a bunch others. :)

Yeah those are all overrated especially GTAVC.

[Tondog]

Final Fantasy is officially the most overrated game series of all-time. Every single game is based on the same formula.

[cutecataclysm]

Im going to have to say that the FF series as a whole is overrated. But it sill rocks.

[sabukun]

yeah...It's pretty over-rated, yet I still buy them. The only reason I do is because of the title Final Fantasy. Like XII. I have no idea if its going to be any good, but I'm gonna buy it just to continue the legacy. I dunno...Its dumb, but I have this thing, where I want to complete all the FF series...Even if some of them are pretty bad. Or even if some were just plain bad ideas. (COUGH FFX-2)

[Nausicaa]

That's not necessarily true. Very rarely do you hear a rabid fanboy talk about any FF before VII.

...except in the very forum. Or perhaps I should also suggest FFVI, and the bitterness its fans show towards anything post-FFVI?

I think Final Fantasy is overrated in the sense that it often overshadows every other RPG in existence. It's sort of considered to be the ultimate series of RPGs. That's true to an extent, but not so far as it's often taken.

[Scandiadream]

Some of the individual games are overrated- such as FF7 and FFX. Others are underrated, such as FF9. Others get the attention they deserve. I LOVE the series, but I do agree some of the games are better than others.

[Spike]

I voted no opinion because I like them all and I just play for fun not for competition.

[MightyDustLoop]

I voted no opinion because I like them all and I just play for fun not for competition.

Good for you. I'd be interested in seeing how a person who doesn't spend time on the net or see the commericals but likes RPGs interprets a Final Fantasy game in comparison. It would certainly be an interesting experiment.

[Alundra]

Final Fantasy is officially the most overrated game series of all-time. Every single game is based on the same formula.

With that reasoning, we can also say that for Mario, Sonic, Megaman, Dragon Warrior, Kirby, and Madden.

All of those games aren't based on the same formula, are they all overrated also?

[Flounder_81]

I think a lot of people who play all these games continue playing them because they stay based on the same formula, with slight additions or changes. If Mario started shooting a machine gun instead of shooting fireballs, I can imagine it might turn a few people off. It's just not Mario anymore.

[F Stop]

Final Fantasy is officially the most overrated game series of all-time. Every single game is based on the same formula.

I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. While there are similar elements (i.e. saving the world), each story is pretty different in it's own right.

[kilikAbeast]

I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. While there are similar elements (i.e. saving the world), each story is pretty different in it's own right.

i was thinking the same thing. theres a new plot, new characters, and heck even a new world for every game. not to mention there is always some tweak to the gameplay system

[NakedEYE666]

Final Fantasy is officially...

I must have missed the United Nations' World Convention on the Issue Of Final Fantasy...

[RPGuru1331]

Final Fantasy is officially the most overrated game series of all-time. Every single game is based on the same formula.
I think that in a well-meaning effort, everyone forgot he is technically correct. They all follow the same basic pattern. Thing is, is that a bad thing? I'm a Dynasty Warriors fan, so I think not, so long as they don't muck up the formula too much. As it turns out, they have though.

[Jae Hoon]

Well that depends on opinion. With the exception of FFX-2 storyline wise they havent yet to muck up everything. Every FF so far has been at least decent as well, which is something to be said considering the number of FF games that have been released.

[RPGuru1331]

I was thinking Junctions and Sphere Grids. I can suffer a bad storyline easily enough.

[>EricValentine<]

I think Square Enix needs to end the series and make fresh rpgs that will revolutionize the genre. Of course, this will never happen and they will never end the series as game companies just want to be safe now and make sequels that will sell.
Why fix something that's not broken? The hero-saves-world plotline will always be popular. I hate ffx while it has a huge fanbase & then again i enjoy vi while others hate it, or to make it easier, we all love the standard noodles of ff but we each have
our favourite flavouring, some love the beef of FFT and others prefer the chiken of
FFVii :). And who say's S-E don't make fresh rpg's? just check out the latest star ocean. FF allows them to experiment with innovative titles and not worry about
failing- Ehrgeiz flopped as did driving emotion, Front mission is great fun.

[NakedEYE666]

I think that in a well-meaning effort, everyone forgot he is technically correct. They all follow the same basic pattern. Thing is, is that a bad thing? I'm a Dynasty Warriors fan, so I think not, so long as they don't muck up the formula too much. As it turns out, they have though.

Well I'm definetly not against similar patterns - or particularly copying good game enginges, like with the Mega Man games. But Final Fantasy has evolved quite a bit through the years, more so than Mega Man (atleast the main Megaman - Megaman X line, not counting Megaman Soccer and IT Warrior and such).

[RPGuru1331]

Well I'm definetly not against similar patterns - or particularly copying good game enginges, like with the Mega Man games. But Final Fantasy has evolved quite a bit through the years, more so than Mega Man (atleast the main Megaman - Megaman X line, not counting Megaman Soccer and IT Warrior and such).
My point is that it still follows the same basic formula. And there's nothing wrong with that.

[CrazyArcadia]

I really enjoy FFX-2. I think, it's underrated within the series. It has a completely different style, but I like it and gameplay-wise, it's even better than FFX, IMO...

For the whole series :
I think FF IS overrated! Some FFs are brilliant, no doubt, but there are so many other RPGs out there, it's not fair that they often get ignored by the media.

I think the reason why FF7 is so popular is because it was the first 3D-experience most gamers had with Anime-RPGlike games. Playing it today, it's still a classic, but there were better ones gameplay- and storywise; even back when it came out. Similiar thing with FFX - ever seen a Japano-RPG with (technical and cineastic -is this rightspelled?) presentation like that before? FFIX was indeed ignored due to the fact it came out as one of the last "big" PSone games.

[kilikAbeast]

Well I'm definetly not against similar patterns - or particularly copying good game enginges, like with the Mega Man games. But Final Fantasy has evolved quite a bit through the years, more so than Mega Man (atleast the main Megaman - Megaman X line, not counting Megaman Soccer and IT Warrior and such).

Enix has been one of my favorite RPG publishers for years. They generally have been a very innovative company over the years. Star ocean is their brainchild, regardless of the merger it still remains their product in my eyes.

[MightyDustLoop]

Not to mention Star Ocean 3 was pretty much complete by Enix before the merger. Square had no hands in its development. I wouldn't consider Enix any more innovative than Square though. If anything I find them even more reliant on their franchises. Innovation and RPGs haven't mixed for years though.

[RPGuru1331]

Not to mention Star Ocean 3 was pretty much complete by Enix before the merger. Square had no hands in its development. I wouldn't consider Enix any more innovative than Square though. If anything I find them even more reliant on their franchises. Innovation and RPGs haven't mixed for years though.
Tri-Ace. Not Enix. Enix published it. Tri-Ace made it. This is my own personal sticking point, sorry.

[MightyDustLoop]

Man I actually wrote a line about Tri-Ace and deleted it. Wanted to say a lot of great games didn't even come from the big named companies themselves but were just published by them. Either way, good RPGs can come from weird places, so I try not to cling too much to any maker in particular. Even Midway is publishing RPGs now.

[DAM8024]

Why fix something that's not broken? The hero-saves-world plotline will always be popular. I hate ffx while it has a huge fanbase & then again i enjoy vi while others hate it, or to make it easier, we all love the standard noodles of ff but we each have
our favourite flavouring, some love the beef of FFT and others prefer the chiken of
FFVii :). And who say's S-E don't make fresh rpg's? just check out the latest star ocean. FF allows them to experiment with innovative titles and not worry about
failing- Ehrgeiz flopped as did driving emotion, Front mission is great fun.

Wow, sorry I didn't see this until now. Anyways, to answer your question, look at the new FF games and most of them are not as good as the older FF games simply because the FF series is getting repetitive and overrated. FFVI and VII are considered by most to be the best of the series. Sure they experimented a bit in FFVIII but after that, they kept on making sequels with variations of the same battle/magic systems that have been done in older FF games. It gets boring cause it's the same thing over and over. Of course, Square Enix doesn't care too much as they will keep on churning out variations of FF games because they know fanboys will keep on buying them. They will even buy games, that are not FF at all that say Final Fantasy, just because of the name.

Also, Star Ocean has two games with a third coming out so it's considered a sequel and not truly innovative.

And that's the thing. Most new video games nowadays are sequels that don't live up to their predecessors. Unlike the days of NES, SNES and even Playstation, companies are now afraid to make revolutionary games because they want to stick with something that sells. These games do sell simply because fanboys will buy games like FF without thinking or considering how good the game actually is.

[InitialS]

I wonder if it ever occured to anyone in here that the reason why people buy FF games is because they like it? Theres always that hype when a new FF game comes out and of course its going to get everyone excited. Some FF games were bad, but does it make the whole series overrated? Hell some zelda games were bad too but I dont see anyone in here calling it overrated..oh wait, I forgot i am in a Nintendo forum disguised as a Videogame forums...my bad!

edit: if someone actually took my last statement seriously...get a F&%#cking life!

[Ceraziefish]

I try not to let other people opinions effect me too much. However, I do find FF overrated. Just because I don't care about your opinion doesn't mean I agree with it.

Many FF games bug me. There are a lot of better games, but they are fun as well. Not god. Just fun for a while, with occasional cool stuff (Kefka, Garland, Blitzball).

[sukie]

[QUOTE=Alundra]

Final Fantasy can and can't be called an overrated franchise in many different ways. When the series was just a little fledgling, it couldn't be called overrated since it introduced to us the Japanese-style of RPG's (along with Dragon Warrior), and it always seemed to improve upon itself.

Even when FF began to gain steam and mow over the competition, it wasn't called overrated when FFVI came out, which in my opinion, was the epitome of the series. Up until that point, Final Fantasy wasn't all about the hype, it was about how it could improve itself in the means of storyline and battle system/job-esper system. It was never really about the graphics at the point; sure, it was pretty, but the fact still remained: the games were coming to a point where story and character development were key. Also, the inclusion of a fun, yet deep battle/job system was also another key to the series success.

But when the PSX rolled around, Square showed some change in their philosophy of the FF games, this is where I think that the series became overrated.QUOTE]

I agree- final fantasy is an excellent game, and the storylines are good, but it can be a bit overrated. especially, as Alundra said, when the PSX came out. I have noticed that in later games the graphics get better and the storylines get worse. I do however resent the bash on FF7's storyline- i love it. and anyway, the graphics in 7 aren't that good.

[Westlo]

You know something can be 100/100 and be overated, just because something is called overated does not mean it's bad.

So yes Final Fantasy is overated.

[Yukito Kunisaki]

YEs it is overrated. I like it alot, but the hype can get bad sometimes. I am avoiding all hypes of the future involving this series unless they revert back to SNES style, which will NEVER happen.

[_jwb388_]

I think Mario is overated.

[NGT]

It's not overated because they are THAT good.

[aoishonen7]

Things started to go downhill after X-2. But it still has pretty graphics and it is fun to play. It's the storylines that started to suck. Especially after Xenosaga, I've wanted to play more RPG's with a more adult and/or complex premise.

[NGT]

X-2 sucks.I don't count it as a real final fantasy just a spin-off. I think ff storylines are complex. At least as much or more so than Xenosaga. Xenosaga just leaves alot of questions unanswered so they can answer them in the next episode.

[Joeshie]

I have played a majority of the SNES games and all of the PSX games. I can safely say that I have enjoyed the PSX games much, MUCH more than the SNES games.

The SNES series is extremely overrated, not the other way around. Final Fantasy VI and IV are easily the most overrated of the SNES period.

[Rahxephon91]

The thing about Xenosaga is that it tries to be philosophical. In the end though, its not and the story sucks.

Final Fantasy is as overacted as any other popular gaming franchise.

[NGT]

I have played a majority of the SNES games and all of the PSX games. I can safely say that I have enjoyed the PSX games much, MUCH more than the SNES games.

The SNES series is extremely overrated, not the other way around. Final Fantasy VI and IV are easily the most overrated of the SNES period.

I never did see what was so great about vi... though I didn't finish it.

[Tidusauron12]

X-2 is fun! WINDSCAR!!!!! (TO all you who said it sucks.)

Anyways... FF isn't too overrated... I mean I enjoy the games very much.

[Sendo Takeshi]

It's not overated because they are THAT good.



HAH! I doubt that. To me the last good FF game I played was FF9. FFX was just a horrible waste of DVD space. I had more fun playing FF8 than I did FFX.

A lot of people swear by Final Fantasy like its the end all be all of RPGs when it really isn't. Granted it will have it will have its moments(FF9) and it will have works of genious(FFT). But in the long run pretty graphics will never sell a game in the long run. Tactics was a step forward and it was one of the more fun FF games out there in the PSX era.

The only good thing that came out of FFX was Blitzball. If that would have been online it would have been a lot of fun. Plus, Auron was hella broken. That game was too easy from beginning to end.

[NGT]

I found FF10 to be one of the best RPGs ever and the best rpg on the ps2. Final Fantasy is more than just pretty graphics, each FF promises deep stories, characters, and engaging gameplay. The only RPG series that comes close to FF is the Shadow Hearts series. And I found 9 to be one of the weaker FF's

[_jwb388_]

HAH! I doubt that. To me the last good FF game I played was FF9. FFX was just a horrible waste of DVD space. I had more fun playing FF8 than I did FFX.

A lot of people swear by Final Fantasy like its the end all be all of RPGs when it really isn't. Granted it will have it will have its moments(FF9) and it will have works of genious(FFT). But in the long run pretty graphics will never sell a game in the long run. Tactics was a step forward and it was one of the more fun FF games out there in the PSX era.

The only good thing that came out of FFX was Blitzball. If that would have been online it would have been a lot of fun. Plus, Auron was hella broken. That game was too easy from beginning to end.

FFX is one of my fav games and I do agree it's really easy but have you tried monster arena? FF is one of the games you can count on having all the effort put into it before release day. Pretty graphics pretty much sell the game to alot of people.

[Hara!]

It has to be said

FFX > FFIX+FFT

[Rahxephon91]

It has to be said

FFX > FFIX+FFT
I agree.

FFIX was my favorite of the PS1 games but I find FFX to be my favorite FFX game. The story, the characters, the great battle system, the world, the music and even the graphics (which still look great) are all great. FFX is the best RPG for the PS2 (until I try FFXII that is)

Heres a quote I like.


It's not the game's fault that it created a very well-crafted experience that you didn't enjoy.

I mean just because you don't like Beethoven doesn't make him a bad composer. Preference does not equal quality

[rayndeon]

The thing about Xenosaga is that it tries to be philosophical. In the end though, its not and the story sucks.

Final Fantasy is as overacted as any other popular gaming franchise.

In my opinion, taking obscure and random Biblical references along with Judaic mythology does not make a game philosophical nor does it add to the story. I agree with you very much. The game could have been spectactular... but it failed, in my opinion.

But, I digress. In my opinion, Final Fantasy is certainly an overrated series. It isn't bad per se, but it is not the best series of RPGs ever created. That in itself is personal. The problem seems to be centered around FFVII, in which there is an inordinate amount of accolades. Certainly, it was a good game, but the way that some fans seem to raise its status to incredible levels is unnecessary and is fallacious.

In fact, in my opinion, I'm not even fond of the series as a whole; I'm more focused on specific games, such as VI, VII, and VIII. I am however somewhat sick to death of the formulaic approach used in JRPGs as a whole, but that's a different discussion.

[brolylssj95]

in my opinion the only overated ff game is 7 its become like the noob center point of the series its way overated im just gonns stick to the other ff games besides 7 and x-2 but thats because x-2 blows

[Westlo]

That's a real deep quote from you RahXephon, too bad your title takes any credibility you have.

I'm not even a fan of the Big N but don't try and play the moral high ground when you're a blantant fanboy. It's a complete ****ing joke....

[CrossboneGundam]

I think a couple of titles in the series are overrated, (namely 7 and 8,) but on a whole, the series itself isn't.

[Rahxephon91]

I'm not even a fan of the Big N but don't try and play the moral high ground when you're a blantant fanboy. It's a complete ****ing joke....
Oh so hating Nintendo makes my a Fanboy? I don't think I even bash their titles are themselves. I've just gone on the recorded and said I don't like Nintendo but I don't go into threads and say Nintendo sucks. Yeah, I've said that I think the Wii wont do so good and if that makes me fanboy then I guess no one is allowed to say anything.

[Westlo]

Not only are you a fanboy you're incoherent to boot, "I don't think I even bash their titles are themselves" and "I've just gone on the recorded".... wtf I really hope you're drunk.

[Rahxephon91]

Not only are you a fanboy you're incoherent to boot, "I don't think I even bash their titles are themselves" and "I've just gone on the recorded".... wtf I really hope you're drunk.
How is saying I dont like Nintendo bashing them? How does saying I dont like Nintendo make me a fanboy? Am I not allowed to not like Nintendo?

"I don't think I even bash their titles are themselves" and "I've just gone on the recorded"Yes I don't think I bash thier titles and there is no inconsistency here. Did you ever think by going on the record with my dislike of Nintendo I just made post that say "I don't like Nintendo and am not a fan of their titles"? That’s not bashing them, that’s just stating where I stand.

[Sendo Takeshi]

It has to be said

FFX > FFIX+FFT



Too bad that ain't true. FFT has the depth and pure strategy that I always wanted in an FF game. You can run through that game easily. The story was weak, the characters were annoying as all hell, and the music put me to sleep.

[NGT]

Who kicked you in the balls today Van? Rah has done nothing to be called a fanboy, I don't see why your attacking him.

[brolylssj95]

VAN shut up youre making yourself look like an idiot i like nintendo and just because rahxephon doesnt, doesnt mean hes a fanboy befor you make such accusations shut your mouth and read peoples posts he said he doesnt go bashing nintendo he just doesnt like them thats all and we all have our own opinions but yors is invalid in every way

[Westlo]

VAN shut up youre making yourself look like an idiot

No typing what you just did is the perfect example of making yourself look like an idiot..... have you and RahXephon hit puberty yet?

[brolylssj95]

i know i have but asking that question shows you havent you stupid noob

[Westlo]

Little boy shouldn't your sig say

consoles i plan to annoy my dad to get for me

[Rahxephon91]

VAN shut up youre making yourself look like an idiot

No typing what you just did is the perfect example of making yourself look like an idiot..... have you and RahXephon hit puberty yet?
So instead of proving me wrong or even apologizing you just insult me.

And you’re the mature one here?

I guess you are so desperate and realized calling me a fanboy was wrong. Your only option would be to insult me.


So instead of insulting me how about we get back to are argument? How am I a fanboy?

[Westlo]

Wow you're 16!? Once you stop working at Maccas you get alot more cash!

So instead of proving me wrong or even apologizing you just insult me.

And you’re the mature one here?

I guess you are so desperate and realized calling me a fanboy was wrong. Your only option would be to insult me.


So instead of insulting me how about we get back to are argument? How am I a fanboy?

Congrats on the correct usage of you're in the second line, btw it's "our" arguement not "are". Every post of yours screams fanboy to me and don't say such pathetic crap like I just dislike Nintendo games when your title says "Hates Nintendo".

But then again maybe you just don't know the difference between dislike and hate, is that it?

[Rahxephon91]

Congrats on the correct usage of you're in the second line, btw it's "our" arguement not "are". Every post of yours screams fanboy to me and don't say such pathetic crap like I just dislike Nintendo games when your title says "Hates Nintendo".
I'm sorry for my grammar mistake.

You’re just making assumptions though. Yes I dislike Nintendo. That dosent makes me a fanboy at all. Besides hating a company doesn’t make anybody a fanboy.

I have a DS Lite and not a PSP

I bought an Xbox 360 and am not getting a PS3 until 2007. Am I getting a PS3 because I like Sony? No! I'm getting one because I like FF and MGS4, not because of the Sony name.

How do any of my posts scream Fanboy? Do I go into threads and say OMG Zelda sucks? No! At least get some evidence before making assumptions about people.

Also your grammar isn’t that great.


Congrats on the correct usage of you're in the second line, btw it's "our" arguement not "are". Every post of yours screams fanboy to me and don't say such pathetic crap like I just dislike Nintendo games when your title says "Hates Nintendo".



Wow you're 16!? Once you stop working at Maccas you get alot more cash!



PS. I made my title to piss people off.

Also here is a reference post for you.

http://animenation.net/forums/showpost.php?p=5861644&postcount=17

Yeah I'm a fanboy.

[Siendra]

I've been suprised by this thread twice now.

1. It's just about two years old and still relatively active.
2. You've all taken rather nicely to using it as an area to express just how stupid a forum can be.

[brolylssj95]

I've been suprised by this thread twice now.

1. It's just about two years old and still relatively active.
2. You've all taken rather nicely to using it as an area to express just how stupid a forum can be.

lol that was funny. and rahx dont got so upset man its a waste of time and van just because he put hates nintendo doesnt mean hes bashing it hes basiclly stating his opinion that he doesnt like them. so what im a nintendo fan but rahx is a fan of games not syetems give him some slack jeez, you dont see me calling him a fan boy.

[Nano]

Wow, I see this thread being locked.

[brolylssj95]

probably it will it all comes down to if van shows his face tommarow

[Sendo Takeshi]

These are some weak flames. So yeah, FF is overrated. Continue the discussion.

[Matsu'o Tsurayaba]

The Final Fantasy series does live up to its name,especially in Japan.

[HitokiriShadow]

"Lives up to its name"? :lol:

Quite the opposite. There are, what, 18 or so FINAL Fantasy games? Such irony that the game they expected to be their last game is called Final Fantasy and then gets endless sequals.

[_jwb388_]

"Lives up to its name"? :lol:

Quite the opposite. There are, what, 18 or so FINAL Fantasy games? Such irony that the game they expected to be their last game is called Final Fantasy and then gets endless sequals.

Yeah, I watched that on G4 a year ago. It was about square and they made one game which would be the death or savior of it.

[MagicianCamille]

Every time somebody uses the word "overrated" I want to introduce my foot to their ***.

[Skyy Blu]

Every time somebody uses the word "overrated" I want to introduce my foot to their ***.
Thank you, I just think overrated is another word for popular. Then in that case, alot of things are overrated, Halo, Porn, Sliced bread, Air, Life...

[Levon]

Yeah, anything popular where there are people that hate it can be considered overrated.

Final Fantasy isn't overrated to me, in fact I like every single one of them(yes, even VIII).

[CrossboneGundam]

Yeah, anything popular where there are people that hate it can be considered overrated.

Final Fantasy isn't overrated to me, in fact I like every single one of them(yes, even VIII).

You phrase that as though nobody sane has a legitimate complaint with FF.

[Levon]

I don't know what you mean, I have complaints with FF myself.

[_jwb388_]

Yeah, anything popular where there are people that hate it can be considered overrated.

Final Fantasy isn't overrated to me, in fact I like every single one of them(yes, even VIII).

Me too, but I don't see what the problem was with 8.


What if I think Grand Theft Auto is overrated? I know it's a good game but it's not the kind of games I like to play.

[brolylssj95]

i wont play anything that has to do with 7. ive played 7 but it was too overbearing to hear all the noobs sa thaey are ff fans and the only reason they llike it is because sephy and cloud look cool. other wise though ff is an excellent series.

[Gannon]

I could care less. I never bought in to the idea that if I happened to like a few games from the series that I was a fan of the entire franchise. With all the Final Fantasy's out there, OF COURSE there are going to be some I don't like. They all have different stories, different characters, ect. Does that make the games overrated? Well, I don't think so.

[{NG}Fidel]

Forgive me for saying I never imagined this thread wont come into existance in this fourm.
Due to the fact that every story line (well ok up until X and X2) is brand new with a new, albeit similar, universe I dont think one can say that its overated. Without having played every game in the series. Its just a slew of RPGs that one company happens to make with the same overall name. The way the game is played is always being changed or tweaked. So if you dont get what Im saying I am with Gannon.
For the Record I dislike the reputation 7 has garnered because I do think its mainly Fan Boys and Fan Girls going crazy, or maybe because it was the first 3D FF. Who knows it was good but I loved 8 the most.

[brolylssj95]

Forgive me for saying I never imagined this thread wont come into existance in this fourm.
Due to the fact that every story line (well ok up until X and X2) is brand new with a new, albeit similar, universe I dont think one can say that its overated. Without having played every game in the series. Its just a slew of RPGs that one company happens to make with the same overall name. The way the game is played is always being changed or tweaked. So if you dont get what Im saying I am with Gannon.
For the Record I dislike the reputation 7 has garnered because I do think its mainly Fan Boys and Fan Girls going crazy, or maybe because it was the first 3D FF. Who knows it was good but I loved 8 the most.

Agreed, but ff7 has gained way to big of a rep. It sickens me. Hinestly 3 is the best to me cause it was the first i got to play for the snes so ive been partial to that. Except when it comes to 7 it is good i love the game but its just reciveing to much attention

[_jwb388_]

It receives so much attention because it's good and people demand sequels.

[{NG}Fidel]

Just because something garners positive attention does not mean its good. But in no way am I trying to say FF7 is bad. My opinion on the game is based on playing it and feeling that it was ok. Nothing bad nothing amazing just ok.
And the movie should not have been done and a Sequal big no no in my opinion. But its Squares Choice.

[MightyDustLoop]

Just because something garners positive attention does not mean its good.

I'd have to quip at you there and say the best way to define something as "good" would be if a lot of people liked it. After all, the hardcore could argue over positive attributes all day and never come to a consensus.

Yeah, sure, there were games before that had equally strong elements as FF7, and it truly is a shame people didn't pick up on some of the great ones until then, but a lot of people seem to hold the game dear. I still cherish my first one, FF4, myself.

FF has been around for a long while, and in the RPG genre, the first one you really get into leaves a large impression, so it's no wonder the games are as popular as they are. One hitting every couple years and keeping on the edge of the graphics curve only makes it easier to get attention.

So I fully understand why FF is popular, and in a ways, it's earned every bit of it because the popularity stems from people enjoying the games. It's just a damn shame some equally strong ones out there get passed up because they don't have an FF label attached to it.

[Spadesy]

As popular as Final Fantasy is across the world, it doesn't matter of it's overrated or not. It's just immensely popular, that's all.

[{NG}Fidel]

I'd have to quip at you there and say the best way to define something as "good" would be if a lot of people liked it. After all, the hardcore could argue over positive attributes all day and never come to a consensus.

The easiest way. Content is really judged by the individual meaning that just because everyone else on the planet likes it doesnt mean you will. All I am saying is that everyone here should take the time to judge things yourself.
Dont let others opinion lead you to a conclusion let your own.

[brolylssj95]

Just because something garners positive attention does not mean its good. But in no way am I trying to say FF7 is bad. My opinion on the game is based on playing it and feeling that it was ok. Nothing bad nothing amazing just ok.
And the movie should not have been done and a Sequal big no no in my opinion. But its Squares Choice.

Nor am i saying its bad its just the attention grabber of the series. Its all hype and i dont see the point of the hype. Yes the movie was great, well designed and beautifully rendered, but its become an overdone portion of the series. Isnt there know like 2 new games coming out for the ff7 end of it?

[_jwb388_]

God Broly, I feel stupid reading your posts. FF7 dirge actually looks like a good game, so I can't complain. As long as the game doesn't suck, it's ok if they made it.

[Skyy Blu]

FF7 dirge actually looks like a good game, so I can't complain. As long as the game doesn't suck, it's ok if they made it.

Heard it blew pretty hard.
Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII Review (http://ps2.ign.com/articles/724/724990p1.html)

Don't really listen to reviews, But I expected it to be like this.

[himura_kenshin]

I was very disappointed that they removed the online component of the game. Sure it probably would have sparked riots if it did exist in the US release because it requires the HDD (which is incompatible with the new PS2), but it would have been a nice feature for those that did have one.

John

[_jwb388_]

Heard it blew pretty hard.
Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII Review (http://ps2.ign.com/articles/724/724990p1.html)

Don't really listen to reviews, But I expected it to be like this.

How is a 7 bad? If you average it out, it equals 7.6.

[Skyy Blu]

Honestly, 7 is just a bad score to me. Even though I don't really listen to reviews, I'd much rather pay $50 bones for a 9.0 game than a 7.0...but that's just me.

[Joeshie]

How is a 7 bad? If you average it out, it equals 7.6.

For IGNs review system, 7 is actually below average. I believe that IGNs true average is around an 8 (http://www.metafuture.com/2006/08/06/an-analysis-of-ign-review-scores/).

[Sendo Takeshi]

8 is the new average in all game reviews. I say still buy it. It might be different to you than what the reviewer wrote anyway.

I'm still gonna get it either way. Whats bad for someone could be good for another.

[Joeshie]

I wouldn't exactly say that it is getting even average reviews. (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/dirgeofcerberusfinalfantasy7?q=Dirge)

[Gannon]

Well, it's not like it's an actual sequel (which to me, would be another RPG starring Cloud). It only expands the stories of people which I don't care for (save for Vincent), and it's a shooter on top of that. The day the higher-up's stop beating around the bush and continue the story as an RPG is the day the VII franchise will be moving in the right direction.

[Wasserplane]

... final fantasy wars!!
ok seriosly tho (do not tell me my spelling bad its internet i can be lazy, ok?)
its crazy. u look in video game mags and a final fantasy is being relesed... guess what? front cover no matter what! and the articles are like freaking 10 pages...
about the ff stories though... they are all the same. the main char is a boy exept in X-2 (but that doesnt count according to many fanboys) and in ff13 where main char is a girl... based on cloud. wow. and the main char is either surly or just plain annoying. thats new. and the love intrest is usualy is a "sweet" girl... brown hair... the healer of the group... even riona and yuna look freaking the same!!!
...graphics. the graphix that sell.
whats so great about rpgs anyway? (this is not a rhetorical question. i really want to know.)

sorry if that was harsh. when ppl get exited about things i think theyre not that great... and they usually arent. like twilight.(braces for fanboys/fangirls rabid attack)

[Shiroiyuki]

even riona and yuna look freaking the same!!!
Wow, I must have forgotten that Rinoa had one blue and one green eye and short light brown hair. And that she wore a jacked-up kimono, long skirt, granny boots, and carried a staff.

Oh, no, wait, she didn't. <_<

Your opinion would have a much better impact if not for the second grade grammar/spelling skills you've so happily sloshed into this thread.

[Tidusauron12]

I get enjoyment out of the series... I haven't been dissapointed by any FF game I've played.

[Wasserplane]

"Your opinion would have a much better impact if not for the second grade grammar/spelling skills you've so happily sloshed into this thread."
-Shiroyuki

(sorry I really don't get quote boxes)
Ok first off I already mentioned I'm a lazy butt on the internet. *sigh* Leave it to fanboys to rip you apart after you have already excused yourself.(but you're right. spelling and grammer does take away points, so I'll be well... not so lazy.)
2nd, I didn't notice Yuna had special eyes! Oooh.... maybe I don't sit right in front of the TV when I play my games. Scoot back a bit, ok? It"s bad for your eyes to sit that close. Anyway, I meant their faces when i said that though. I mean anyone can change clothes...right?

[Neko]

... final fantasy wars!!
ok seriosly tho (do not tell me my spelling bad its internet i can be lazy, ok?)
its crazy. u look in video game mags and a final fantasy is being relesed... guess what? front cover no matter what! and the articles are like freaking 10 pages...
about the ff stories though... they are all the same. the main char is a boy exept in X-2 (but that doesnt count according to many fanboys) and in ff13 where main char is a girl... based on cloud. wow. and the main char is either surly or just plain annoying. thats new. and the love intrest is usualy is a "sweet" girl... brown hair... the healer of the group... even riona and yuna look freaking the same!!!
...graphics. the graphix that sell.
whats so great about rpgs anyway? (this is not a rhetorical question. i really want to know.)

Well, I can tell you this. The storylines are completely different in each game, I don't know where you're coming from saying they're all the same. Based on your comments about the characters, it seems that you've forgotten about the first six games in the series. Your "main char is a boy" thing doesn't really make any sense either, because the main character is male in a vast majority of RPG's, Final Fantasy series or not.

The series may look good visually, but graphics certainly aren't the sole selling point of the series, otherwise people would have stopped talking about VII a long time ago, as ugly as it looks now. What's so great about RPG's? They're fun to play and they usually have a good storyline, that's what draws me to them. It's kind of silly to ask what's so great about a particular genre. If you like them, you like them. If you don't, you don't.


Anyway, despite the fact that I think it's incredibly annoying when people cry "overrated!" about anything, I'm going to say this series gets exactly the hype it deserves. When something has been running for as long as FF has, it's obvious that there's going to be a lot of hype when a new one comes out. I think the secret behind it's longevity is that every game reinvents the entire formula, they're not afraid to try new things. While I couldn't stand the way XII played, it was definitely done in a very original style. They don't just copy things from other RPG's, they come up with interesting sytems and set the curve themselves.

[Shiroiyuki]

Leave it to fanboys to rip you apart after you have already excused yourself.

Actually, this fangirl could care less what the subject matter is -- if it is well written, it is well received. Plain and simple.

If not, expect to be called out about it.


Oooh.... maybe I don't sit right in front of the TV when I play my games. Scoot back a bit, ok? It"s bad for your eyes to sit that close.

Considering it was an inportant plot point

That Yuna was part Al Bed (sp?), thus the product of two races mixing with good results. Which later ties into that whole 'Seymore was never accepted as a half-breed so he decided to marry Yuna and unite all three races' thing. You know, nothing special, just the undercurrent of the entire game.

One doesn't have to sit 'too close to the TV' to realize this. The game smacked you upside the head with this information.

Perhaps next time you decide to rant, make sure you at least have a decent grasp on the games in question.

Anyway, I meant their faces when i said that though. I mean anyone can change clothes...right?

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2537/51217356.png
My God, they could be clones....

Perhaps the Twilight Zone should be alerted!

[Soluzar]

I didn't notice Yuna had special eyes!
Really, now? Did you play through the whole game? I admit I didn't notice it right away, but after a few cutscenes, you get to see her face enough that you can notice it from right across the room. You really don't have to sit close to the TV to get that detail. They like to show her face in close-up shots when she's doing her chanting and dancing routines, among other things.

There's not a lot of similarity between the two if you ask me... Yuna has higher cheekbones, and a slightly more broad face. Rinoa on the other hand has a rather long and narrow face. Women in Final Fantasy tend to conform to the standards of beauty, for the most part. That makes them all share at least some similarities, but only at a first glance. Tifa, Garnet, Rinoa, Yuna... they all fit the same basic type, but with substantial variation.

[Maka Albarn]

In my personal opinion, just because something is popular does not mean it is over-rated. The creators and such worked extremely hard to get to where they are now and even if it is slightly "over-rated", I think they deserve that bit of extra praise. Not only do they have lovable (and at times, psychotic) characters but they have good storylines etc. I love Final Fantasy and enjoy playing the games. Before I would only look at the graphics, so I had no interest in the games and did think of it as "over-rated" even though I hadn't even played them back then. However, after I got to play FF7 I fell in love with the series and realised how wrong I was to go by only it's appearance.

[firespot]

Yes, I believe it's very overrated. It's the only RPG that everyone and anyone talks about.

[tempest]

As a whole possibly but individually no, i personally like 6,7,8,10, i don't like for various reasons 9,12,13, but thats another story.

[nlnforever]

Many classic RPG series along with FF series which many young players nowaday never knew about them like: Grandia, WildArms, etc

I feel bad about it, because most RPG games now never give me the feeling which I had when I played those classic RPGs. Even the new FF13.