Imitatation is the sincerest form of rip-off

[Shin-seiki]

I recently downloaded, and have been watching, the imfamous shoujo anime masterpiece Oniisama E (http://www.members.tripod.com/~aoisora/english.html) "Brother, Dear Brother" (1991), based on the classic manga by Riyoko Ikeda, who also wrote 'Rose of Versailles'. It's a dark, over-heated, melodramatic story of an innocent young girl's experiences in an all-girls' academy: it has tragedy and betrayals, suicide, drug addiction, and implied lesbianism; in other words, all the stuff that makes life juicy and interesting :naughty:

It is intesting to note, in regard to where Anno may have come up with the names of his characters, that two of the main characters in Oniisama E are Rei Asaka (http://homepage.mac.com/csf2860/Oniisama_E_04/rei_new.jpg), aka "Hana no Saint Just" (Saint Just of the Flowers), and Kaoru Orihara (http://homepage.mac.com/csf2860/Oniisama_E_04/kaorurun.jpg), aka "Kaoru no Kimi" (Prince Kaoru).

It is plenty obvious to me that Anno was familiar with Oniisama E; in fact, he included an hommage (a polite word for rip-off) to it in #18 of NGE. As I was watching episode 04 of Oniisama, I suddenly was like "Woah! That sure looks familiar!" Both scenes take place at sunset, in a playground situated on a steep hillside overlooking the city, and in both, two teenage girls who are best friends have a heart to heart talk. Here, for your edification, are the two scenes in question, in their entirety:
Oniisama E 04 (http://homepage.mac.com/csf2860/Oniisama_E_04/Oniisama_E_Ep04_Playground.html)
NGE Ep18 (http://homepage.mac.com/csf2860/NGE18_Playground/NGE_Ep18_Playground.html)

The resemblance between the two scenes is particularly notable in these cuts:

http://homepage.mac.com/csf2860/Oniisama_E_04/screenshot_09.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/csf2860/NGE18_Playground/screenshot_24.jpg
(note the swingset behind Asuka and Hikari)

http://homepage.mac.com/csf2860/Oniisama_E_04/screenshot_26.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/csf2860/NGE18_Playground/screenshot_14.jpg
(the resemblance is more striking when you actually watch the cut, as the shot lingers on the character's feet for several seconds in both cases)

and, of course...
http://homepage.mac.com/csf2860/Oniisama_E_04/screenshot_07.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/csf2860/NGE18_Playground/screenshot_15.jpg
(no comment necessary)

[Reichu]

One of my friends started showing me this anime a while back... You could probably have a blast dissecting all of the similarities between it and "Utena" (and knowing you...) -- but NGE? Just looking at the screenshots, I don't see a whole lot of blatant "OMFG!!!" similarity, except for the sandbox and the foot shot. Maybe I just need to watch the episode in question again...

The Rei--Kaoru bit is interesting, though. Anno didn't mention "Oniisama e" when he was running through his sources for character names, but he also did mention that he couldn't remember Satsukawa's inspiration for the name "Kaworu"... I guess, for all we know, it could come from here. (The characters Rei and Ka(w)oru are linked in both series, which is kind of suspicious...)

[Shin-seiki]

One of my friends started showing me this anime a while back... You could probably have a blast dissecting all of the similarities between it and "Utena" (and knowing you...) -- but NGE? Just looking at the screenshots, I don't see a whole lot of blatant "OMFG!!!" similarity, except for the sandbox and the foot shot. Maybe I just need to watch the episode in question again...Well, I wouldn't read too much into the resemblance of the two scenes, beyond what I mentioned already. I think Anno just threw that stuff in to see if people (remember, Oniisama E would have been fairly fresh in the audience's memory in '96) were paying attention.

[thewayneiac]

Yeah, I watched that episode myself yesterday and nearly cracked up. I'm going to keep my eyes open for any more similarities.

[NakedEYE666]

Pffft, a rip-off would be like if there was a black haired, selfish, shy young character named Ikari Shinji who hated his father, piloted his mother, lived with a hot female guardian, and ran away a lot.

As for this show... I want to see it now.

[RahOtaku]

Most playgrounds have swings and sandboxes? I know the playgrounds I've seen have those.

Most animators create from their imaginations. Anno's Highschool Playground has a swing and sandbox. I've seen pictures of the playground of his highschool. I even have pictures of Anno doing Ultraman poses on the top of the Slides.

Most likely this wasn't copied. But of course, that's only my opinion.

Alot of anime's have class room scenes. etc. Did they copy those to?

^_^

[Anime Gee]

Hahahaha!! :lol:

Don't take things to seriously. :P

[Dilandau]

A rip-off would mean stealing key ideas, plot devices, or characters. But an homage is just that; a lean towards another source, acknowledging it for whatever reason. Also keep in mind that the names Rei and Kaoru are very common in anime.

I'd say this was a case of theft if the material indicated was very specific or important, but it's not really. I'm sure there are plenty of series or movies you could point to which have a notable influence from something else that inspired the creator(s).

[Shin-seiki]

Most playgrounds have swings and sandboxes? I know the playgrounds I've seen have those.

Most animators create from their imaginations. Anno's Highschool Playground has a swing and sandbox. I've seen pictures of the playground of his highschool. I even have pictures of Anno doing Ultraman poses on the top of the Slides.

Most likely this wasn't copied. But of course, that's only my opinion.

Alot of anime's have class room scenes. etc. Did they copy those to?

^_^I'll just repeat myself, since this part seems not to have penetrated your gourd the first time around:Both scenes take place at sunset, in a playground situated on a steep hillside overlooking the city, and in both, two teenage girls who are best friends have a heart to heart talk.Also, it's seems a bit much to label as mere coincidence that both scenes throw in a shot of a sandbox with a toy shovel and pail that is apropos of nothing else going on in the scene...

And I was just being facetious about this being a rip-off; it is certainly an hommage. I mean, come on! NGE is crowded with little nods to other anime (particularly of the Mecha genre) and SF movies and shows, from beginning to end. Why not accept that that is what is going on here, as well?

[animeburn]

I say watch Macross and this show back to back. You'll slap yourself over the head when the part about the .00001% genetic dif between us and the aliens show up :P.

[NakedEYE666]

I'm sure Evangelion was doing a homage, it's so similar. I just disliked your use of the word rip-off, due to my little insecurity based on my belief that nothing is "original" in the truest sense of the word, coupled with the fact that many of my favorite things are built upon other things particularly clearly, while still being intensely influential themselves, and considered very original by many (myself probably included there).

Oh, and what was the name of this show again? I'll have to keep it in mind as a possible viewification.

[Reichu]

I just disliked your use of the word rip-off, due to my little insecurity based on my belief that nothing is "original" in the truest sense of the word <snip>

Well, believe it or not, there is such a thing in this world as plagiarism, which is NOT homage and really CAN be called a "rip-off". This I know from first-hand experience.

[Quiddity]

Pffft, a rip-off would be like if there was a black haired, selfish, shy young character named Ikari Shinji who hated his father, piloted his mother, lived with a hot female guardian, and ran away a lot.


Exactly. Which is why Eva rip-offs don't exist.

[RahOtaku]

I'll just repeat myself, since this part seems not to have penetrated your gourd the first time around:
Quote:
Both scenes take place at sunset, in a playground situated on a steep hillside overlooking the city, and in both, two teenage girls who are best friends have a heart to heart talk. -Shin-


haha... you're absolutely right. It didn't at all penetrate my gourd. Actually it didn't even dent my gourd.

Just look at the way you TITLEd your post.

"Imitatation is the sincerest form of rip-off "

Now how does "Imitation is the Sincerest form of Rip-off" sound like homage?

I'm not saying you never mentioned hommage. You did and you even kindly gave your definition of Hommage.

Anno... included an hommage (a polite word for rip-off)

I don't know. Maybe my gourd is too thick. ^_^ But I keep hearing you call Rip-off.
Anyone else thought Shin was saying this was a rip-off?

I mean its true we have 2 classmates sitting in a playground talking after school. And as a coincidence since it's after school, the sun is setting! And they are both sitting, Not standing! And there is a swing! And on the swing, the girl's legs moves! And there is a Sandbox! And guess what more? THE SANDbox has a SANDbucket and SANDshovel! I mean what's the possibility that sandbuckets and shovels are found in sandboxes?
^_^

[Dr. Nick]

Exactly. Which is why Eva rip-offs don't exist.
I take it you're not familiar with [name removed by admin]'s "The Savior Anthology".

Sometimes when I wake up screaming in the middle of the night I wish I weren't either.

[tv33]

I take it you're not familiar with [name removed by admin]'s "The Savior Anthology".

Sometimes when I wake up screaming in the middle of the night I wish I weren't either.

Hmmmmm...

I just did a search to find out what "The Savior Anthology" is and I found this disciprtion.

"The setting in Revelation is wrought with conflict and unease. This is due to the Wuhan disaster that happened in the year 1994. A giant meteorite impacted in China. and the Chinese government confused it with a nuclear explosion. The result of this confusion was World War 3, which lasted for six whole years before coming to an end. In the year is 2021 A.D., and the peaceful calm is suddenly shattered by the appearance of the "Xenoframes", a race of Advanced, cybernetic entities hell-bent on the destruction of the world. The only thing that stands in their way of Conquest is the organization Nova and their Revenant robots. Piloted by a small group of inexperienced teenagers, these Giant machines are the only means of destroying the approaching alien threat, which will stop at nothing to fulfill its Insidious task. Prepare yourself for a confrontation of epic proportions in the first volume of REVELATION: The Awakening!"

Sounds bad, if it wasn’t for the meteorite, and the origination Nova (Which is just was to close to Nerv) it might just have been a typical Giant Robo type of thing. They also seem to throgh in relgious refrences too...

[thewayneiac]

I mean its true we have 2 classmates sitting in a playground talking after school. And as a coincidence since it's after school, the sun is setting! And they are both sitting, Not standing! And there is a swing! And on the swing, the girl's legs moves! And there is a Sandbox! And guess what more? THE SANDbox has a SANDbucket and SANDshovel! I mean what's the possibility that sandbuckets and shovels are found in sandboxes?
^_^

Is that supposed to be biting sarcasm? <_< :rolleyes:

As I said, I watched that episode myself last Saturday; they're practically the same scene.

[HeWhoPostsStuff]

Now how does "Imitation is the Sincerest form of Rip-off" sound like homage?
Methinks he was being facetious. He's made it rather clear in his subsequent statements that he doesn't think the scene is a "complete" ripoff, in any case...

[RahOtaku]

...he doesn't think the scene is a "complete" ripoff, in any case...-Hewhopoststuff


I like the way how you added "complete" to your statement. It's very subtle but makes a point.

^_^

[HeWhoPostsStuff]

Whatever point I was making, I have no clue what it was, heh.

[thewayneiac]

I'm bumping this to celebrate having finally finished watching all 39 episodes of this show. Yes, Shin-seiki and I survived the"Dropped Flowers" scene from Ep. 33. We survived the dragged-out ending where each major character recieved an entire episode to resolve her issues. We even survived the infamous ep. 26, which caused Oniisama E to be banned in at least 2 countries. We survived the absurdly low quality fansubs that Scott downloaded, which seemed to be taken from a 5th generation VHS copy. (Except for the last 4 episodes, which were taken from a DVD and looked great.)

A great show.

[Dr. Nick]

<<We even survived the infamous ep. 26, which caused Oniisama E to be banned in at least 2 countries.>>

Care to elaborate?

[Shin-seiki]

<<We even survived the infamous ep. 26, which caused Oniisama E to be banned in at least 2 countries.>>

Care to elaborate?Two characters make a suicide pact to "prove" their love, and one actually goes so far as to slice her wrist...

[HeWhoPostsStuff]

Two characters make a suicide pact to "prove" their love, and one actually goes so far as to slice her wrist...
Wonder if those countries would have banned the centuries-old Noh plays which have used the exact same scenario?

[Shin-seiki]

Wonder if those countries would have banned the centuries-old Noh plays which have used the exact same scenario?The countries in question were France and Italy; it didn't help, I suppose, that the two characters were about 12 years old (!) at the time.

[HeWhoPostsStuff]

IIRC Romeo and Juliet were only supposed to be around 14 or so...wonder if anyplace has banned that one?

[thewayneiac]

Part of the problem might have been that it was a reasonably explicit scene that actually showed blood. My own opinion is that it was the best episode of the series.

[Magami No ER]

IIRC Romeo and Juliet were only supposed to be around 14 or so...wonder if anyplace has banned that one?
Juliet was thirteen, and Romeo was older. ;) But that is not greatly emphapized, so I don't believe it was banned. "The Twelth Night", also by Shakespeare, was banned once, for "encouraging homosexuality". :P

[Vaikyuko]

Juliet was thirteen, and Romeo was older. ;) But that is not greatly emphapized, so I don't believe it was banned. "The Twelth Night", also by Shakespeare, was banned once, for "encouraging homosexuality". :P

Yeah, Romeo was (IIRC) 15 at the time. I don't think R&J got banned anywhere, to my knowledge.

[Dr. Nick]

Since this thread is about homages and stuff, I might as well post these findings here.

First, as mentioned in another thread:

Incidentally, Sepirothic System has made brief "cameo appearances" in two newer anime shows, Macross Zero and R.O.D the TV. In both cases the possibility of a homage isn't really far-fetched: After all, the original Super Dimension Fortress Macross from the year 1979, with its ideas about mysterious alien force as the progenitor of humanity, has definately influenced Anno and other loonies of Gainax, so it's quite safe to assume the makers of Zero now in turn put in an Eva-reference.

Here's the relevant screenshot (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/ref_macrosszero.jpg) from Zero ep. #03, and the accompanying lines of dialogue:

"Yes! Sensei has come to this island before! -- He came up with the human proto-culture intervention hypothesis on this island."
"Proto-culture?"
"A hypothesis stating that there was an alien intervention in the evolution of mankind."

Now, some random crap from various sources:

Airbats (1996): What better way to emphasize your main character's geekiness than this (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/ref_airbats.jpg)? I wonder if this is Studio Fantasia's revenge on Gainax for certain memorable incident in NGE episode #09... :P

Zone of the Enders (2001): The very premise of ZOE - Dolores i borrows quite a lot from NGE: the lead mech of the show (Dolores) houses a female consciousness, though in this case it's just an advanced AI, not anyone's actual soul. Of course, whereas Eva-01 was the epitome of menacing coolness, Dolores is merely a plain annoying bimbo. But if the situation requires it, she can go nutzoid too (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/ref_dolores1.jpg) - and she can utilize her mallet space as a weapon storage / defensive system!

Other sightings from ZOE include a baddie über-mech with stretchy arms (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/ref_dolores2.jpg) (BTW, check out the cockpit placement!) and one quite familiar-looking necklace (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/ref_idolo.jpg).

Great Teacher Onizuka (1999): These two rather bizarre sightings were brought to my attention quite recently. I apologize the bad quality of the screenshots, they're from an ancient crappily fansubbed version. Also, I have no idea if these in-jokes appear in the manga version or not.

episode #19: Now what exactly are they implying here? (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/ref_GTO1.jpg)
episode #37: Yoshikawa definately has some kind of problems... (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/ref_GTO2.jpg)

That's all for now. Screenies from R.O.D, Gunbuster and ye olde Macross will follow in the near future, after I'll get my dvd-drive region-h4x0red.

[Reichu]

I see a new appendix in the near future. ^_^

[Lastie]

The hallmark of how good a particular programme is, is how many others pay homage in their own works (Star Wars is probably the king in this regard).

Trouble is, if you go looking for a homage will you find one? Or just a similarity?

[Dr. Nick]

Ok people, it seems my memory has yet again failed me - the symbol appearing in R.O.D is not the Sepirothic System, although it looks somewhat similar (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/ref_rodtv.jpg). Now if this was the only possible NGE-reference in the show I could overlook it as a random similarity, but considering the ending quote which is most definately a conscious homage (mentioned here (http://animenation.net/forums/showthread.php?p=4737324#post4737324)) and the thematic similarities, I still believe there is a connection.

Whether or not to include this to the coming references commentary appendix, I'll leave such editorial choices for Reichu. And now, as a random bonus, some glowing glasses (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/readman_nutzoid.jpg) (ph3ar psychotic paper master!) and the amazing, common-sense-defying quantum Pikachu (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/quantum_pikachu.jpg).

By the way, does anyone here own Ayashi no Ceres dvds? I want a screenie of that Mikage dude to see if he really stole Gendo's trademark pose.

[fieldy]

that symbol is the tree of lifeit has deep religous meaning its possible it was taken from eva but i doubt it

[RyoTD]

that symbol is the tree of life
R.O.D Symbol (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/ref_rodtv.jpg) != Tree of Life (http://www.terminalcare.net/tree/Tree-of-Life.jpg)
Edit: Or did I miss something important?

[Magami No ER]

^It does look like it...was that from the RoD OAV or TV series?

[Vaikyuko]

^Despite the fact it's missing at least three entire sephira? :huh: ;)

[Magami No ER]

Whatever. :P
It's probably based off the ToL, merely for symbolism.

[Z Metalla]

The ROD thing also looks sorta like the Silver Crest from Skies of Arcadia, but that's just me. :P

[Hexon.Arq]

I'm no Kaballah expert (despite what I vowed to myself last summer), but if that is a conscious take on the Sephirotic Tree, then it seems to encompass all that is not part of this mundane world; Divine and lesser conscious thought and awareness without any connection to concrete reality. I haven't seen R.O.D., so I don't know if that would be relevant.

The ROD thing also looks sorta like the Silver Crest from Skies of Arcadia, but that's just me.

Don't you mean the Zelos Altar? Wasn't the Silver Crest what Fina had tattooed on her head? (Looked like "OJ".)

[Dr. Nick]

I'm no Kaballah expert (despite what I vowed to myself last summer), but if that is a conscious take on the Sephirotic Tree, then it seems to encompass all that is not part of this mundane world; Divine and lesser conscious thought and awareness without any connection to concrete reality. I haven't seen R.O.D., so I don't know if that would be relevant.

If that's true, it in fact starts to make sense... *runs off to do some research*

^It does look like it...was that from the RoD OAV or TV series?

TV series.

[Z Metalla]

Don't you mean the Zelos Altar? Wasn't the Silver Crest what Fina had tattooed on her head? (Looked like "OJ".)


That's what I meant, yeah. -_-;

[Dr. Nick]

I'm no Kaballah expert (despite what I vowed to myself last summer), but if that is a conscious take on the Sephirotic Tree, then it seems to encompass all that is not part of this mundane world; Divine and lesser conscious thought and awareness without any connection to concrete reality.

Before I shall post anything purely theoretic concerning this matter, I need to check I've got the sephiroth right. To me it seems that the ones on that book cover are Kether, Hochmah, Binah, Hesed, Geburah and Tipheret, with Da'ath (the eleventeenth, non-existent sephira of knowledge) in the center. The paths aren't correctly connected though, for example the direct path between Binah and Tipheret has been removed and new paths leading to Da'ath have been added. My assumption is that this is due to stylistic reasons, as Da'ath is not normally placed into the system (also, a symmetrical cover logo might be considered more pleasing to the eye).

Now, this site (http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/scripts/sefirot.html) says the following about the sephiroth:

The first nine sephirot were grouped in threes, each triad including a masculine element, a feminine element, and a combining element. The first three sephirot represented the world of thought; the second, the world of emotions and morals; the third, the world of nature. The tenth sephirah, Malkut, existed alone as the harmony of the other nine.

"This triune was paralleled by the Kaballists' version of the three-part soul - an idea expressed earlier by Plato, Aristotle, the Bible, and the Talmud. The soul called Neshamah represented the intellect and corresponded to the first three sephirot. The soul called Ruah represented the emotion and corresponded to the Hesed-Geburah-Tipheret triad. The soul called Nefesh represented man's animal nature and corresponded to the lowest triad of sephirot.

Indeed, it appears to be just as Hexon said. So, if that symbol on the book cover really is the upper, divine part of Sephirothic system, that would make quite a lot sense in the context of R.O.D.

[Stelok]

I recently downloaded, and have been watching, the imfamous shoujo anime masterpiece Oniisama E (http://www.members.tripod.com/~aoisora/english.html) "Brother, Dear Brother" (1991), based on the classic manga by Riyoko Ikeda, who also wrote 'Rose of Versailles'. It's a dark, over-heated, melodramatic story of an innocent young girl's experiences in an all-girls' academy: it has tragedy and betrayals, suicide, drug addiction, and implied lesbianism; in other words, all the stuff that makes life juicy and interesting :naughty:

It is intesting to note, in regard to where Anno may have come up with the names of his characters, that two of the main characters in Oniisama E are Rei Asaka (http://homepage.mac.com/csf2860/Oniisama_E_04/rei_new.jpg), aka "Hana no Saint Just" (Saint Just of the Flowers), and Kaoru Orihara (http://homepage.mac.com/csf2860/Oniisama_E_04/kaorurun.jpg), aka "Kaoru no Kimi" (Prince Kaoru).

It is plenty obvious to me that Anno was familiar with Oniisama E; in fact, he included an hommage (a polite word for rip-off) to it in #18 of NGE. As I was watching episode 04 of Oniisama, I suddenly was like "Woah! That sure looks familiar!" Both scenes take place at sunset, in a playground situated on a steep hillside overlooking the city, and in both, two teenage girls who are best friends have a heart to heart talk. Here, for your edification, are the two scenes in question, in their entirety:

The resemblance between the two scenes is particularly notable in these cuts:
)

Those scenes are pretty similar but I doubt it means they copied those scenes from another anime.

After all, anyone could have imagined anything especially which is pretty common.

[Shin-seiki]

Those scenes are pretty similar but I doubt it means they copied those scenes from another anime.

After all, anyone could have imagined anything especially which is pretty common.As I pointed out above, the resemblance is more striking when you actually watch the two scenes side by side. It doesn't seem like a random coincidence that in both cases there are (apropos of nothing in particular) cut-away shots of a sandbox, followed by shots of the character's feet... I just think it was intended as a nod to Oniisama E that GAINAX threw in just for any fans of both series who might be paying really close attention.

[Levon]

Incidentally, Sepirothic System has made brief "cameo appearances" in two newer anime shows, Macross Zero and R.O.D the TV. In both cases the possibility of a homage isn't really far-fetched: After all, the original Super Dimension Fortress Macross from the year 1979, with its ideas about mysterious alien force as the progenitor of humanity, has definately influenced Anno and other loonies of Gainax, so it's quite safe to assume the makers of Zero now in turn put in an Eva-reference.

SDF Macross is from 1982, not 1979. Maybe your thinking of Mobile Suit Gundam.

Anime such as Ideon from 1980 I hear has a much more influence on Evangelion. http://www.escaflowneonline.com/eva/ideon.html


http://web.archive.org/web/20030701171737/http://masterwork.animemedia.com/Evangelion/anno.html (Anno Interview
On anime creators who inspired him...

ANNO: Outside of my staff, Mr. Yoshiyuki Tomino. Tomino's Mobile Suit Gundam and Space Runaway Ideon are my favorite anime besides Yamato. Hayao Miyazaki, with whom I worked on Nausicaa, animating the scene where the God-Soldier fires, was also a mentor to me.


I don't see how Macross influenced Anno really. Has he even seen the show?

[Reichu]

From BJ's page:

In the early 80's Anno provided mechanical designs and principle animation work for the opening animation short, directed by Yamaga, for the sci-fi convention Daicon 3. During these years, Anno went to Tokyo with Yamaga to help out with key animation and retouch work for the pilot episode of the animated TV series "Macross: Super Dimension Fortress".

This was before "Nausicaa", BTW.

[Levon]

I see.

I don't really see the influence of Macross in Evangelion though.


PS- In 1988 he also did [I believe] battle ship mecha designs in Char's Counterattack. He did a good job there.

[Dr. Nick]

SDF Macross is from 1982, not 1979. Maybe your thinking of Mobile Suit Gundam.

Duh, my bad. I have this impression that the Studio Nue guys created the "Megaroad"-concept already in 79, but that doesn't really matter since it's the original airing year that counts. Thanks for correcting me! (I really need to see the original MS Gundam. But is it even available subbed?)

As Reichu pointed out, Anno worked on the animation crew of the show (even if for a short time), and definite Macross-references can be found in NGE: There are similar plot elements such as "the first ancestral civilization" (Protoculture, anyone?), and the almost non-existent genetical difference between humans and angels / Zentradi.

There are also several visual references (or "recycled items", so to speak), the most notable one probably being the battleship-attack used in ep. 08 to destroy Gaghiel - it's basically the Macross' Daedalus attack moved underwater.

[Levon]

Yeah there are some similar stuff. While Evangelion is very diffrent from most anime it still has a lot of similar elements from many diffrent anime.

(I really need to see the original MS Gundam. But is it even available subbed?)


Yes you can get the "original MS Gundam" subbed, but not the TV series version. Just the movie trilogy version.

The TV series isn't since Japan said the tracks can't be used, excuses such as the tracks are to messed up. They havn't even released it in Japan on DVD even though its one of the most popular anime there.

But there is always the Movie trilogy. Which is the 43 episode TV series compressed & edited into 3 movies with new scenes & improved animation on many scenes. As well as other changes. It works out well, most anime where this kind of happens it doesn't turn out good but in this case it worked out great.

http://www.animeondvd.com/reviews2/disc_reviews/1330.php


The movie boxset is subbed only. With two Japanese tracks, one is the old one & theres also a new one in 5.1

[Dr. Nick]

Yeah there are some similar stuff. While Evangelion is very diffrent from most anime it still has a lot of similar elements from many diffrent anime.

That's what storytelling is all about, baby - taking existing themes and elements and distorting and mangling them in new, creative ways. Like playing with Legos, essentially.

And hell, that movie trilogy boxset isn't even expensive. I think I'm going to have to buy it after I finish collecting a couple of other series.

[Soluzar]

Yeah there are some similar stuff. While Evangelion is very diffrent from most anime it still has a lot of similar elements from many diffrent anime.



Yes you can get the "original MS Gundam" subbed, but not the TV series version. Just the movie trilogy version.

Dude! I didn't know that. I've been watching the TV series DVDs dubbed. I'm definitely going to go out and get the movies.

With regard to your first point: I view anime as like cooking. There aren't any original ingredients, so creativity is in how you mix them, and how well you combine various elements. You can create new anime by bringing together two well-worn elements which have never been tried together before.

[Levon]

And hell, that movie trilogy boxset isn't even expensive. I think I'm going to have to buy it after I finish collecting a couple of other series.

You can get the movie box as cheap at $27! Thats like $9 per movie, plus the box & coverart is wonderful & very shinny. It also comes with a booklet with info like the changes made in the movies from the TV series.

Dude! I didn't know that. I've been watching the TV series DVDs dubbed. I'm definitely going to go out and get the movies.


-_-;


I prefer the TV series myself, even if there are some lame filler eps(around episode 10) & some badly animated scenes I prefer the TV series since its got more character devolopment & just more overall. They cut one of my favorite battles out in the movies! When they are on the Texas colony they edited it so Char & Amuro were just fighting instead of the great saber battle with the Gyan.
The movies remove the flaws of the TV series but they also remove more than just the flaws. But the movies are still pretty good.

[MagicianCamille]

Dude! I didn't know that. I've been watching the TV series DVDs dubbed. I'm definitely going to go out and get the movies.



Even though I:

1. TOLD YOU THEY EXIST.
2. POINTED YOU TO THE VERY DETAILED FAQ.

Biscuit, do you hate me?

[Soluzar]

Even though I:

1. TOLD YOU THEY EXIST.
2. POINTED YOU TO THE VERY DETAILED FAQ.

Biscuit, do you hate me?

:crybaby: No.... I just have a very bad memory sometimes. I knew perfectly well the movies existed, just not that they had subs and japanese audio. That's what I only just realised.

[Dr. Nick]

These findings are quite probably the same ones Dave posted here (http://forums.evamonkey.com/viewtopic.php?t=43&start=30), but since that link of his ain't working anymore, here they are again. From Gainax's new hyperactive fan-service show He Is My Master: Yoshitaka's computer mainframe room (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/ref_himm01.jpg) (ep. 02). A familiar beer brand returns in a slightly mutated form (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/ref_himm02.jpg) (ep. 03 - and that green turd's supposed to be a crocodile, BTW).

Undoubtedly more similar in-jokes will be encountered, as so far only four episodes have been fansubbed, and the show is absolutely filled with all kinds of anime and Hollywood-movie references. A fair warning though - if you now got interested in HIMM, be aware that the show is rather stupid. So stupid, in fact, that it makes Mahoromatic look like Schindler's List. (Well, it's still far better than that Harry Potter in Space, I mean Diebuster.)

Another possible oddball NGE-reference from a show called G-On Riders (episode 12):
1. "Crap, again with the aliens!" (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/ref_g-on_part1.jpg)
2. "Dear Lord, it's coming closer!" (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/ref_g-on_part2.jpg)
3. Trapped! Hmm, where have I seen this before? (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/ref_g-on_part3.jpg)

And so, the stage is set for a legendary all-out battle between the G-on Riders (= magical schoolgirls with big-arsed swords) and the mass-produced Fancy Beasts (find our for yourself)!

Like HIMM, this show too bombards the viewer with atrocious amounts of more or less bizarre pop-cultural gags. Although I'm no anime expert and I'm sure I missed a lot of stuff, but I was able to notice the obvious Pokemon and Naruto-references. Definately the funniest one though was this rather gay re-enactment of a certain famous scene from Independence Day: ph34r the pink ufo of d00m! (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/g-on_gay_ufo.jpg)

[Magami No ER]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/ref_g-on_part1.jpg
Looks like Staryu and Starmi's latest evolution. :lol:

[Dr. Nick]

Looks like Staryu and Starmi's latest evolution. :lol:

What the hell are they?

[Reichu]

Tsk, tsk, Niko-kun, you clearly need to become acquainted with your Pocket Monsters. (Erm... yeah.)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/Reichu/120_staryu.jpg http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/Reichu/121_starmie.jpg

Regarding the "Starmie" scene, what about it is supposed to be evocative of NGE?

[Dr. Nick]

Damnation, I only noticed the Pokeball (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/g-on_pokeball.jpg).

Regarding the "Starmie" scene, what about it is supposed to be evocative of NGE?

Look at the third image - doesn't it look A LOT like Geofront? There's the ceiling city and everything. The two first ones are there just to illustrate how it was formed.

[Reichu]

Oh, is that supposed to be the inside of the "bowl" attached to the bottom of the starfish?

[Dr. Nick]

Oh, is that supposed to be the inside of the "bowl" attached to the bottom of the starfish?

Exactly. Illustrating the transition with still-images is a real *****.

The bowl-thingamabob looks a bit like a rocket thruster, but in reality it's more like a huge-scale siege dome. Enemy ground targets are trapped inside of it and blasted to bits with missiles and cute pink rays of d00m.

[Dr. Nick]

Ladies and gentlemen! After a horrendously long wait, I finally present you the one and only Lorentz Keel the bishounen! Behold!

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/ref_dokkoida-keel.jpg

(From Dokkoida (http://store.yahoo.com/animenation/12280.html), episode #09.)

[Magami No ER]

I'm at a loss of words. O_O

[Dr. Nick]

Here's something else & equally bizarre:

Now, was it Gendo or Genma..? (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/ref_gendo_or_genma.gif) :uhh: (From Ranma ½, season 7, episode 10.)

[Magami No ER]

-_-;
______

[Levon]

How do you guys notice these scenes?:lol: You guys must be Newtypes with such awareness...

[HeWhoPostsStuff]

Now, was it Gendo or Genma..? (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/ref_gendo_or_genma.gif) :uhh: (From Ranma ½, season 7, episode 10.)
When was that Ranma ep made? I can only wonder if that spoof was intentional, since Ranma doesn't exactly take itself particularly seriously (though it's not an outright "spoof" anime a la Nadesico).

[Dr. Nick]

Ranma ½ Vintage:
1989-04-15 to 1989-09-16 (Season 1, 18 episodes)
1989-10-20 to 1992-09-25 (Season 2 (Nettohen), 143 episodes)


If the similarity really is intentional (which I very much doubt), Anno was the copycat. :P

Then again, a connection between these two scenes is not utterly impossible - after all, the father-son relationship between Ranma and Genma is pretty f*cked up, especially in the episode in question. Oh dear, I'm getting these awful crossover ideas...

Gendo: "Gendo Ikari style special attack - The Cradle from Hell! C'mon Shinji, give your father a biiig hug!"
Shinji: "NooooooOOOOOOOOoooooooo!!!"

[RyoTD]

Now, was it Gendo or Genma..? (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/ref_gendo_or_genma.gif) :uhh: (From Ranma ½, season 7, episode 10.)

Yeah, right... :lol:

[Reichu]

Ladies and gentlemen! After a horrendously long wait, I finally present you the one and only Lorentz Keel the bishounen! Behold!

Kinda looks like Aoba after stealing one of Keel's backup visors.

[OMF]

And so Keel's true motives are revealed. To remainifest after instrumentality in the body of Aoba, his long term side dish. Kaworu it seems, was just anothe front!

[Dr. Nick]

How do you guys notice these scenes?:lol: You guys must be Newtypes with such awareness...

It's the fanboy syndrome. It causes you to start seeing things.

Here's some new crap Reichu has dug up from those message boards of evil she frequently visits. Now, I need your help with these:

Ken Akamatsu clearly has a some sort of plug-suit fetish (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/love-hina_kanako-in-plugsuit.jpg). Does anybody know which volume of Love Hina this is from?

Another moment of shameless Gainax self-advertising (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/he-is-my-master_1.jpg) from He Is My Master. Two questions:
- What episode is this scene from?
- What characters do we have here?

upper-left row: I have no idea.
middle-left: Izumi, Mitsuki and Anna, from HiMM, of course ;)
lower-left: Mayumi, Misato, Asuka, Hikari
upper-right: Mamimi from FLCL (?), Noriko from Gunbuster, Nono and Chiko from Gunbuster 2
middle-right: ???, Mahoro, Minawa, ???
lower-right: Nadia, that chick from Kare Kano (haven't seen that show), Rei (or maybe RIAO), Arumi from Abenobashi (haven't seen it either)

[ShyanHaiJin]

Ken Akamatsu clearly has a some sort of plug-suit fetish (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/love-hina_kanako-in-plugsuit.jpg). Does anybody know which volume of Love Hina this is from?
That can't be from Akamatsu! The imitation must've been the other way around. Besides, doesn't Kanako like to dress up as other people anyway?

[Hexon.Arq]

upper-left row: I have no idea.

Those are the girls from Petite Princess Yucie, a charming series supervised by Anno with one of the most sickeningly infectious theme songs ever. Seriously, I can't stop singing it.

Ken Akamatsu clearly has a some sort of plug-suit fetish. Does anybody know which volume of Love Hina this is from?

Being a picture of Kanako, there are only so many places it could be, but I can't find it. I think I also remember Naru wearing Asuka's plugsuit at some point.

[Levon]

In the Gundam: Char's Deleted Affair manga Haman looks like she is wearing Rei's outfit & she looks like Asuka:lol:

http://img308.imageshack.us/img308/3241/710wa.jpg

[Magami No ER]

Wow does Haman look different with long hair.
That looks even more like the plug-suits original designs...

[KT Kore]

WTF. Haman's actually...pretty. What a concept. :huh:

[Levon]

Haman is very good looking in her early years. How else could Char have an affair with her;) Once she got older Char hated her:P

http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/988/cda011am.jpg


Reminds me of a scene with Quess...

[Jinto117]

Damn, that girl is pretty.

[Levon]

Damn, that girl is pretty.



Yeah, well shes freaking an evil creepy ***** when she grows up & she loses her good looks.....I still love her:lol:

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/8264/24xx.jpghttp://img343.imageshack.us/img343/3650/13eb1.jpg

[MagicianCamille]

Give us the frame where she and Char are in BED. NAKED. SEX. LEVON.

[Magami No ER]

She actually doesn't look that bad in those pics...others I've seen...O_o
^Is horny, from my inferance.

[Jinto117]

Yes, do it.

[MagicianCamille]

Uhmmm, no. *shakes head*

[Magami No ER]

Really? Hm, I assumed I was never wrong. Oh well.

[Dr. Nick]

Yeah, well shes freaking an evil creepy ***** when she grows up & she loses her good looks.....I still love her:lol:

She reminds me of Jung-Freud fron Gunbuster. Which is a good thing, because you can never have too many hot space-communists.

That can't be from Akamatsu!

You're saying it's from a doujin or something? It sure as hell looks like Akamatsu's drawing style... :blink:

Those are the girls from Petite Princess Yucie, a charming series supervised by Anno with one of the most sickeningly infectious theme songs ever. Seriously, I can't stop singing it.

Hmmm... It's hard for me to imagine that any show that involves Anno in any way could be called "charming". Guess I'll have to see this for myself...

I checked animenfo.com, and it appears those characters are named Gurenda, Erumina, Yushi and Kokoru (assuming those spellings are correct). Now only the two mystery characters remain, on the middle right shelf. Come on nerds, I'm counting on you!

Being a picture of Kanako, there are only so many places it could be, but I can't find it. I think I also remember Naru wearing Asuka's plugsuit at some point.

That was in volume 10, if I'm not completely mistaken. Also, in volume 13 Sarah and Suu try to fend off Motoko's big sister with a rather familiar looking energy weapon. :lol:

[Levon]

She reminds me of Jung-Freud fron Gunbuster. Which is a good thing, because you can never have too many hot space-communists.



Yeah when I saw Gunbuster every time I saw her she remined me of Haman-_-;

[NeonZ]

Yeah, well shes freaking an evil creepy ***** when she grows up & she loses her good looks.....I still love her:lol:



The biggest problem with Adult Hama is her stupid hair. Doesn't anyone have pictures of the first time that Haman appears in ZZ? She has her hair down, and looks much better than with that thing.

[MagicianCamille]

Ugh, I hated her with her hair down in ZZ.

[tv33]

middle-right: ???, Mahoro, Minawa, ???

The girl on the far right with the dress and red hair is The Melody of Oblivion, from the show of the same name. I recognize the character though I have never seen the show, so I don’t know what the deal is with her name.

And Nuru in a plug suit. (http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=73ec1t)

[Reichu]

Her name is Boukyaku no Senritsu, or Melody of Oblivion.

http://www.gainax.co.jp/anime/boukyaku/index.html

I looked up the Petite Princess Yucie characters, too. From left to right, they are Glenda, Elmina, Yucie, and Cocoru. (Not sure how valid those spellings are, though.)

[RyoTD]

And Nuru in a plug suit. (http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=73ec1t)

Hmm... Isn't that from Vol. 10? It's one of the (very) few I don't own. :P

Edit: Oh yeah, don't forget to move this to teh project.

[Levon]

The biggest problem with Adult Hama is her stupid hair. Doesn't anyone have pictures of the first time that Haman appears in ZZ? She has her hair down, and looks much better than with that thing.

http://img194.exs.cx/img194/8570/pdvd0021vx.jpg

[Dr. Nick]

^ Yui's mullet?

[MagicianCamille]

Haman, with her hair down. Terrifying, ain't it?

[ShyanHaiJin]

That can't be from Akamatsu!
You're saying it's from a doujin or something? It sure as hell looks like Akamatsu's drawing style... :blink:
I really don't think that's from the real Love Hina manga. I've read through the Love Hina manga twice but I don't ever recall her getting into a plugsuit. It's probably fanart or doujin. Maybe I'll read through it again just to make sure... nah... too long.

[Hexon.Arq]

That Kanako picture is definitely not from Volume 10; Kanako isn't in Volume 10. (That's the one where they meet Mutsumi's family, she loses her memory, Suu is depressed, etc.) <-- not sure if that needed a spoiler...

What does it say on the left? The character splash pages usually just say "Love Hina".

[Magami No ER]

^ Yui's mullet?
Rather reminds me of the SAC Gits series' Makoto.

[Jinto117]

Makoto never interested me. I just never found here appealing. Is she a lesbo?

[Magami No ER]

Erm...can't say, I didn't read the manga, only a bit of the seen the movies, which I prefered. Also, I've only seen a bit of SAC.

[Dr. Nick]

Awright, dear lunatics! Only one mystery character remains!

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/himm_mystery_chick.jpg

Who the devil is she? A magical schoolgirl? An alien princess? A combat android? Are those synch clips she's wearing? Whoever solves this mystery wins a scary poster you can glue onto your front door to scare visitors!

[RyoTD]

I recently came across a site where you could download a couple of those old-school hentai dating sims - the type where you are given 100 or so days to date some stereotypical girls and be "rewarded" with one or two hentai pictures in the end. While I'm not a great fan of this genre (mostly because it's so frigging ridicolus!), I downloaded one of them - an old game called "Season of Sakura" - to play when I feel bored.

Today was one of those days, so I played it. Once the title screen (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/Ryo_TD/Title.jpg) appeared, I noticed that some of the ten or so girls looked kinda familiar. Not that this is strange; It is a hentai game filled with with stereotypical girls after all.

Before I started to play this game from 1997, I chosed the "character intro" mode to find out a little more about the characters. After scrolling trough pictures and info of five or so remotely intresting girls, I got a major deja-vu moment:

Enter Ruri Shiromizu (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/Ryo_TD/RuriRei.jpg), an introverted, depressed rich girl who has been transferred to over 100 schools trough her entire life.

You could imagine my reaction when I saw the picture I linked to above. But this wasn't the end; it was just the beginning...

Aki Hinagiku (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/Ryo_TD/AkiAsuka.jpg) is a fiery redhead whose special talents are tennis and roundhouse kicks.

Kyoko Kobayashi (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/Ryo_TD/KyokoMisato.jpg) is the purple haired homeroom teacher of the game's protagonist, Shuji. Interests? Beer, sake and getting drunk.

Makoto Shimazaki (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/Ryo_TD/MakotoKensuke.jpg) is the local computer geek and - you won't believe this - military otaku. He's also into older women.

And as if this wasn't enough, one of the girls (who seems to be a Ritsuko wannabe, btw) has a younger brother whose name is Shinji Shinfuji (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/Ryo_TD/ShinjiShinji.jpg).

Edit: 15 minutes into the game, and Makoto/Kensuke is already hitting on Kyoko/Misato. Who didn't see that one coming? :P

[Shin-seiki]

Once the title screen (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/Ryo_TD/Title.jpg) appeared, I noticed that some of the ten or so girls looked kinda familiar. I detect Hikaru, Umi, and Fuu, from MKR in that pic, too...

[RyoTD]

Pardon my st00pidness, but what's MKR?

[Shin-seiki]

Pardon my st00pidness, but what's MKR?Magic Knight Rayearth (http://members.tripod.com/~orionmac/rayearth.html); the series that put CLAMP (X, Card Captor Sakura, Angelic Layer, etc) on the map...

[RyoTD]

Oh, that. I've never been intrested in CLAMP's workds, though.

[Shin-seiki]

Oh, that. I've never been intrested in CLAMP's workds, though.CCS and Angelic Layer like totally rule, and stuff... Chobits and MKR were pretty good too.

[RyoTD]

20 minutes ito the game: This is actually getting pretty scary (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/Ryo_TD/KyokoPenpen.jpg)... (highlighted area)

Edit:After ten more minute's, Ruri/Rei arrive's at the scene (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/Ryo_TD/RuriWindow.jpg), in very Rei-esque manner.

More Edit: Aki/Asuka strikes! It seems like she's been living in America, and got transferred to the protagonist's school one year ago.

[Soluzar]

Oh, that. I've never been intrested in CLAMP's workds, though.

I'll grudgingly admit that if you can take the cuteness-factor, then CCS doesn't suck.

[Magami No ER]

I love their works, mainly Lawful Drug, CCS, and X, and Chobits.

[RyoTD]

I've read Chobits, but I can't say that I liked it.

[ShyanHaiJin]

They used Diana Krall a bit with their ending song too

[Dr. Nick]

20 minutes ito the game: This is actually getting pretty scary (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/Ryo_TD/KyokoPenpen.jpg)... (highlighted area)

Seconded. A crossover / self-insertion / hentai version of ep. #26 AU-sequence! When you get to the end credits, check out if the lead programmer's name happens to be [name removed by admin]...

Well, to be fair I do assume gameplay-wise this thing owns most of the official NGE-games. And I can't decide if it should make me feel sad or amused.

So, no educated guesses about the identity of our mystery chick? Oh darn it, it seems I have to go and bug John and his minions.

[RyoTD]

Well, I'm done with the game now. Some more things a noticed while playing it:

- I guess it didn't come as a suprise that Aki/Asuka's lines consisted mostly of "Anta baka?!" and variations of it.

- Kyoko/Misato "put the moves" on a kid after all. In the name of 'education', none the less.

Btw, the game engine is supid. When December 24 came around and I had to chose which girl I really loved (Aki/Asuka in my case, of course), I had to pick the name from a list. When I picked Aki/Asuka, she dumped me. So I picked another. That girl dumped me too. So I chose another, who also dumped me etc, etc. So I ended up getting married with my least favorite girl. Fate likes being cruel to poor swedes like me, I guess. :P

Edit: Oh, I forgot that the protagonist's parents owned an electronics store. There was a Rei poster on the wall, and one of the products in the store was a "Pen^3 Refrigerator" computer chassis. -_-;

[Reichu]

Edit: Oh, I forgot that the protagonist's parents owned an electronics store. There was a Rei poster on the wall, and one of the products in the store was a "Pen^3 Refrigerator" computer chassis. -_-;

Got pics? :D

[RyoTD]

Got pics? :D
Maybe, maybe not. ;) I'll post them as soon as I can.

@Mammary, Shafmut and Clavvie:

Got life?

[Reichu]

I see a red circle with a white "X" in their future.

[RyoTD]

Got your mom in my pants.

You have? Strange, she was in the living room last time I checked.

[Magami No ER]

Ok, trio of spammers, please don't **** up this thread. <_< Or any other, for that matter.

[Reichu]

People, when people like this show up, just ignore them and report to the mods. With all my hatred of trolls, these people are just so completely moronic that there is simply no point whatsoever.

[Dragonaire]

Uh, dongs?

[Magami No ER]

Ignore List, Ignore List, Ignore List.
If you notice, we have a retard spam infestation(on all anime/Japan forums). It must be ignored.

[TheOneAndOnly]

Well, this whole spamming endeavor is pretty interesting. How dare they!!

[Dragonaire]

Ignore List, Ignore List, Ignore List.
If you notice, we have a retard spam infestation(on all anime/Japan forums). It must be ignored.

Well, the regulars do spam alot too, but I guess one could call that "quality" spam since it stays subject to the topic...

[Reichu]

...and isn't comprised of repeating the word "DONG" 250 times.

[RyoTD]

...and isn't comprised of repeating the word "DONG" 250 times.
So you counted, eh? :P

I'm afraid I can't post the pictures though - The game got deleted and I'm sure as hell not gonna download it again and replay it - the first time was bad enough, I have no idea how boring it will be the second time.

[Goldarmy]

Ahh, Seasons of Sakura, one fine example of finger-numbing and mouse-numbing click-a-fest games. Also birth place of Kensuke/Asuka pairing if I am not mistaken.

[RyoTD]

Ahh, Seasons of Sakura, one fine example of finger-numbing and mouse-numbing click-a-fest games. Also birth place of Kensuke/Asuka pairing if I am not mistaken.
Eh? She just spent the whole game kicking his sorry *ss.

[Goldarmy]

If you don't end up with Aki in the end Kensuke gets her, by the way which ending did you get?

[RyoTD]

That pink-haired ponytailed girl... I have no idea how you're supposed to end up with Aki/Asuka.

[Dr. Nick]

That pink-haired ponytailed girl... I have no idea how you're supposed to end up with Aki/Asuka.

Just go ahead and cheat (http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/game/574630.html). No one will blame you.

[RyoTD]

*shrugs* I guess...

<.<

>.>

*downloads SoS again* :devil:

[Dr. Nick]

Hey ho! The mystery character is mystery no longer!

I don't know her name, but the mystery girl is the main character of the Gainax produced PC game Grapple Gear (http://www.gainax.co.jp/soft/gg/top.html). Her character design was created by Keroro Gunso creator Yoshizaki Mine.

I don't recall exactly which episode of He is My Master this is from, but if you scroll back through the "John's Viewing Journal" one of the entries mentions several Gainax homages. This is from the same episode that also had the closet full of Gainax cosplay outfits. It's one of the early middle episodes, around episode 5 or 6, as I recall.

[Reichu]

Looked at the Gainax site, and her name is Patricia ... something. BA-NMAITO. I have no idea HOW you are supposed to Romanize that... I searched for all of the more obvious possibilities I could think of, and nothin'...

If all else fails, we can mix'n'match.

BA-N --> burn, barn, bahn (as in Autobahn), bern, vern
MAITO --> -mite, -myte, -might, -meit (or maybe even -meid, sort of like how Freud becomes FUROITO)

"Barnmite" is probably the funniest possibility... "Bahnmeit" is a bit more graceful (and reflects the Japanese preoccupation with Germans), although if Google is to be trusted, it is a completely nonexistent name.

[Hexon.Arq]

Sure it's not "Von Mite"? (How do they transcribe "Von"?)

[Reichu]

Give me a famous person who has "von" in their name and I'll find out. :D

[Dr. Nick]

Give me a famous person who has "von" in their name and I'll find out. :D

Erich von Däniken!!!11! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_von_D%C3%A4niken)

[Reichu]

Well, altho I couldn't find his name in katakana, I was able to find other "Erich von Somebodies". Von --> FON フォン. The BA-N in BA-NMAITO definitely doesn't turn into "von". On a pointless side note, with foreign names that are in katakana, the punctuation mark ten ・ is used as a spacer. For example, my name would become レイチェル・キャスリーン・クラーク. In Patricia's name, this is the immediate giveaway that BA-NMAITO is a single word, since it doesn't have a ten separating it into two elements.

[Hexon.Arq]

So then what's with the hyphen?

[Reichu]

Vowel lengthener.

パトリシア・バーンマイト

[Hexon.Arq]

Why not BAANMAITO?

[Reichu]

Well, it's precision, see... With "BAANMAITO", you don't know if it's バアンマイト or　バーンマイト. And, uh... trust me, there's a subtle difference.

[tv33]

I recently started watching this show (Oniisama E), and I am up to episode 18, when this scene ( http://tinypic.com/b3l6xg.jpg ) caught my eye. Which naturally caused me to exclaim “Eva is teh rip off!” :P

I am enjoying the show so far, it’s ultra-melodramatic, but that’s half the fun. I don’t see much connecting it to Eva though. It’s far more shoujo then Eva could ever be. If I had to compare it to something its more like Utena. Kaoru in particular reminds me of Utena. A basketball pwnen tomboy with hordes of squealing fangirls at her feet, and a strong air of self-confidence about her that hides the more vulnerable side of her character.

I am eager to see where the show goes.

[OMF]

Oniisama E, you just made The List.... of Evangelion source material.

[Dr. Nick]

A few items of interest:

- An info screen from Super Robot Wars Alpha (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/eva_size_srw_alpha.jpg), where the Evas' size-shifting properties were originally revealed.

- A rather amusing screencap (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/congrats.jpg) from the show Sergeant Frog (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=3711). Haven't seen it personally, so I have no idea of the context of the image.

[Soluzar]

I recently started watching this show (Oniisama E), and I am up to episode 18, when this scene ( http://tinypic.com/b3l6xg.jpg ) caught my eye. Which naturally caused me to exclaim “Eva is teh rip off!” :P

I am enjoying the show so far, it’s ultra-melodramatic, but that’s half the fun.

I find the animation to be a barrier to enjoyment for me. It's not because it is old animation, more because I feel that the colours which have been chosen do not co-ordinate well, and after a while, I can't concentrate on details anymore. The choice of colors is very important to me.

[thewayneiac]

I am enjoying the show so far, it’s ultra-melodramatic, but that’s half the fun.

I find the animation to be a barrier to enjoyment for me. It's not because it is old animation, more because I feel that the colours which have been chosen do not co-ordinate well, and after a while, I can't concentrate on details anymore. The choice of colors is very important to me.

Are you watching the same low-quality fansubs that Scott and I watched, that appear to be taken from 4th generation VHS tapes? We thought it looked pretty poor too, but then Scott downloaded an episode taken from the new Japanese DVD release, and the difference was amazing. Suddenly we liked the way the show looked. It's the same colors, of course, but in a decent print they are vivid rather than muted. (Unfortunately, this was a raw episode; no one seemed to be taking the opportunity to issue new fansubs with this improved source material.)

When you're finished, it would be interesting to see if you agree with me that the infamous ep. 26 that got the show banned in two countries is the best episode in the entire series.

[tv33]

(Unfortunately, this was a raw episode; no one seemed to be taking the opportunity to issue new fansubs with this improved source material.)

The torrent I downloaded had episodes 1-28 in the low quality old VHS rips, episodes 29-36 in "medium quality" (which still sucked, but was better), and episodes 36-39 in high quality DVD rips. All of the episodes were subbed.

If you are interested perhaps I can send you a link. I doubt the mods will care as the series is unlicensed.

(When you're finished, it would be interesting to see if you agree with me that the infamous ep. 26 that got the show banned in two countries is the best episode in the entire series.

That question wasn’t directed at me, however I thought that was perhaps the best episode in the series. Its banning is odd, as certain scenes, events, and themes were not as bad as they could have been... or really bad at all, at least compared to a lot of other anime out there.

I really like enjoyed the show. And perhaps I am just coming down of the "high" of watching a new show, but for now it easily ranks among my top 10 favorites.

EDIT - I am enjoying the show so far, it’s ultra-melodramatic, but that’s half the fun.

Hey! Thats what I said. ;)

[Soluzar]

Are you watching the same low-quality fansubs that Scott and I watched, that appear to be taken from 4th generation VHS tapes?

It would appear that I am! -_-;

We thought it looked pretty poor too, but then Scott downloaded an episode taken from the new Japanese DVD release, and the difference was amazing.I could easily imagine it. I was under the impression that the color-bleeding and strange saturation effects were an artifact of poor or cheap animation...

Suddenly we liked the way the show looked. It's the same colors, of course, but in a decent print they are vivid rather than muted.Yeah, I think I would have enjoyed the series if the copy I was watching was a little cleaner. As it is, I didn't actually finish it, yet. I'm not aware of any DVD release with subtitles, so I decided to wait a while and hope maybe it comes out on DVD later..

When you're finished, it would be interesting to see if you agree with me that the infamous ep. 26 that got the show banned in two countries is the best episode in the entire series.
Got banned, eh? I see... I may have to watch this series a little sooner than I had anticipated. I'll be in touch. ;)

[Shin-seiki]

Solazar, here's some comparison screenies of the old supersux low-res VHS rips and the new DVD rip. The truth is that this series is exquisitely drawn and animated:
http://homepage.mac.com/csf2860/Oniisama_E/005.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/csf2860/Oniisama_E/001.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/csf2860/Oniisama_E/006.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/csf2860/Oniisama_E/002.jpg

[Shin-seiki]

and a couple more:
http://homepage.mac.com/csf2860/Oniisama_E/007.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/csf2860/Oniisama_E/004.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/csf2860/Oniisama_E/008.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/csf2860/Oniisama_E/003.jpg

[thewayneiac]

The torrent I downloaded had episodes 1-28 in the low quality old VHS rips, episodes 29-36 in "medium quality" (which still sucked, but was better), and episodes 36-39 in high quality DVD rips. All of the episodes were subbed.

If you are interested perhaps I can send you a link. I doubt the mods will care as the series is unlicensed.

No need, that's the same one we have. I read that the outfit that originally subbed it stopped after Ep. 28, and it was years before anyone finished it.


That question wasn’t directed at me, however I thought that was perhaps the best episode in the series. Its banning is odd, as certain scenes, events, and themes were not as bad as they could have been... or really bad at all, at least compared to a lot of other anime out there.

It's especially odd in that the countries in question were France and Italy. I was under the impression that they were rather liberal in what they deemed fit for broadcast TV.

Solazar, here's some comparison screenies of the old supersux low-res VHS rips and the new DVD rip. The truth is that this series is exquisitely drawn and animated:

Ah, so that Ep. had subs after all then? But I take it that there have still been no more re-done early eps? (It seems like it's been 4 or 5 months since you got that re-done Ep. 1.)

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Is that show fansubbed?

[tv33]

The truth is that this series is exquisitely drawn and animated:

Agreed. In particular I love the character design. It’s nice to see a human face that looks like a human face, rather then flesh colored blobs with huge eyes.

No need, that's the same one we have.

Oh, I see. I thought you meant you only have the low quality VHS rips.

It's especially odd in that the countries in question were France and Italy. I was under the impression that they were rather liberal in what they deemed fit for broadcast TV.

Just to be safe...

During the 1990's Europe experienced a rather steep increase in teen suicide (Though this did reflect a larger global trend in the developed world.) As a result a lot of works were somewhat censored if they were deemed to glorify suicide. Such as the famous book "The Sorrows of Young Weather", for example.

In addition Italy (And France but not to the same extent, especially in recent times) have a strong Catholic background and a strong cultural disgust to suicide.

So my guess is it was removed for those reason. Even more so because the target audience for the show was mostly likely teen girls, a particularly vulnerable group.

Is that show fansubbed?

Are you illiterate? Or are you too busy making dimwitted one-liners in a forum of a show you admit to not even liking, to read even the post before yours?

[Magami No ER]

They look rather like dolls to me. -_-;

[tv33]

They look rather like dolls to me. -_-;

Ok, perhaps I should have said.

It’s nice to see something that looks more like a human face then flesh colored blobs with huge eyes. :P

Though that is a good observation, especially considering I don’t think you have seen the series. It was no doubt intentional.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Are you illiterate? Or are you too busy making dimwitted one-liners in a forum of a show you admit to not even liking, to read even the post before yours?

Yes. ;)
Don't troll me, kid.

There's two. lines for ya.

[RyoTD]

They look rather like dolls to me. -_-;
Like, seconded. They are scary. -_-;

[Dr. Nick]

Since I don't want to mix these with the random stuff in Go Hikari:

Either a screencap from the opening of Submarine 707r (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/707_anno.jpg) (directed by Anno) or a worthless shop. Can anyone confirm this?

Also, from some episode of Pani Poni Dash:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/ref_ppd.jpg

[Dr. Nick]

MONSTER BUMP!

A screencap from Trinity Blood (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/trinity_blood_atfield.jpg), a Hellsing/Trigun/R.O.D. rip-off by studio Gonzo, and quite probably The Worst Anime Ever Made. Apparently vampires, although traditionally considered to be soulless creatures, have AT-fields as well. :P

[Reichu]

But they don't glow orange, so they're not REALLY A.T. Fields, they're just a REFERENCE. ;)

[Dr. Nick]

That's because vampire souls are different and way more awesome than pitiful human souls.


...Seriously speking, yes, it's just a weird little reference. But the show itself is a Trigun rip-off, and this is coming from someone who doesn't hand out rip-off labels easily. It was just so wrong in so many levels. Trinity Blood should have been a six-episode hentai OAV, filled with hot, clumsy vampire-on-nun sex (Ion x Esther, squeal). Instead, we got 24 episodes of this (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/random%20anime/snapshot20060213459117.jpg). It's not fair.[/rant rant rant]

[Levon]

I took this image a few years ago I believe, I lost it but found my Double Zeta Gundam fansubs today & decided to take another screenshot of it.

Puru Two scene thats reminds me very much of Asuka.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7044/1zzfq2.jpg

[HeWhoPostsStuff]

Here's a possible reference that (probably) not too many have heard of...anyways, some years back, Capcom created a fighting game with giant mecha as characters, called "Cyberbots" (this is where Jin Saotome of the "Marvel vs. Capcom" series comes from). They included a hidden character, a giant robot version of Akuma, one of the characters from the Street Fighter games.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/HeWhoHostsStuff/Other/Eva/zerogouki.jpg
Here's a pic of his sprite being used in MUGEN...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/HeWhoHostsStuff/Other/Eva/zerogouki2.jpg
...some grainy art from the "limited edition" Playstation release...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/HeWhoHostsStuff/Other/Eva/zerogouki3.gif
...and a card from one of the "Card Fighters Clash" games which features him.

Why do I mention this? In case you weren't aware, Akuma's name in Japan is "Gouki" (sort of like "Vega" here is "Balrog" there, "Servbot" here, "Kobun" there, etc.), and they named the giant robot version of him "Zerogouki!" Am I the only one who thinks that might have been an Eva reference?

I also have some (much more blatant) references from the pseudo-sequel to Cyberbots, "Tech Romancer"...I'll hafta see if I have any pics...

[Ninja337]

Since Gainax is a team of otaku (the real kind, not the pathetic kind), they like to add tributes to many anime and manga of the time. Space Runaway Ideon, Oruchuban Ebichu, were referenced to in NGE and also Gainax's later works referenced to Evangelion, such as Kare Kano, he is my master, Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi, etc...

[Dr. Nick]

Bumpity-bump. Have I already mentioned Aquarion? It's made of Shouji Kawamori being like this (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/random%20anime/kawamori.jpg) and staggering amounts of hilarious mecha references. There are dozens of cute little nods to Getter Robo, Macross, G Gundam and who knows what else. And, of course, some Eva-stuff as well:

I believe I've already posted this pic of Shadow Angel's Tree of Life (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/aquarion_sepiroth.jpg) in some other thread. A bit later we get to see a rather familiar-looking UN headquarters building (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/aquarion_unbase.jpg), where we also meet some rather familiar-looking personnel... (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/aquarion_unscientist.jpg) Also, the show's over-the-top sexual symbolism kinda reminded me of NGE. Combining orgasm-bots! Vaginal-shaped launch chutes! Aquarion glows, grows and extends! Longpunch is loooong!

Talking about Ramiel's design, BTW, would you consider these as plausible sources of inspiration?
- Flying castle's power source (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/laputa_power_source.jpg) from Miyazaki's Laputa: Castle in the Sky
- Psychedelic shapes (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/shapes_2001.jpg) from 2001: A Space Odyssey

And finally, some amusing foreshadowing from Diebuster manga. (http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7124/evaindiebustermanganz4.png)

[Ornette]

It's made of Shouji Kawamori being like this (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/random%20anime/kawamori.jpg)
I think that right there wins a thousand internets

I actually started to watch "Holy Genesis of Aquarion" but aside from the few NGE similarities I noticed, it was put on the back burner for playing catch-up on all the episodes I have in the queue from the spring and summer releases in Japan that I have sitting around.

Talking about Ramiel's design, BTW, would you consider these as plausible sources of inspiration?
- Flying castle's power source (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/laputa_power_source.jpg) from Miyazaki's Laputa: Castle in the Sky
- Psychedelic shapes (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/shapes_2001.jpg) from 2001: A Space Odyssey
Personally, I think octahedrons are all over the place, outside of anime. For one thing, a perfect octahedron is a nice shape, and anyone who must roll a 1d8 attack is familiar with it. However, Ramiel wasn't actually a perfect octahedron; that dude had a split through its center.

[HeWhoPostsStuff]

Flying castle's power source (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/laputa_power_source.jpg) from Miyazaki's Laputa: Castle in the Sky
This one in particular reminds me of the "Stone-Like" from Radiant Silvergun/Ikaruga.

[Dr. Nick]

Personally, I think octahedrons are all over the place, outside of anime. For one thing, a perfect octahedron is a nice shape, and anyone who must roll a 1d8 attack is familiar with it.

Quite true; sometimes an adventure in geometry is just an adventure in geometry and nothing else.

Now here's an interesting bit of geek lore: according to Mr. Anonymous, NGE's famous "angel face" (http://www.evacommentary.org/op/OP_C026.jpg) design originates from Yoshitoh Asari's old manga, Wahha Man. This is the picture that was posted in conjunction with the claim:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/sightings/wahhaman.gif

I have no idea if any part of this is true, but if someone feels like doing some digging, go ahead. There seems to be terribly little info available on the said manga in English, though.

This one in particular reminds me of the "Stone-Like" from Radiant Silvergun/Ikaruga.

Got a picture?

[Reichu]

But why BLUE octahedra?

I dunno, man. The resemblance to the Angel face is sorta... Well, the "Wahha Man" thing is a stylized human skull. And the Angel face is a stylized bird skull.

[TS-Scorpio]

2001: Space Odyssey is probably the main one. What with the blue octahedrons, the monoliths and the wheel shaped space station that also appeared in Gunbuster.

[HeWhoPostsStuff]

Got a picture?
Found a bunch from RSG on this site (www.emuxhaven.net/~silver/Main%20Story.html).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/HeWhoHostsStuff/stonelike2.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/HeWhoHostsStuff/stonelike3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/HeWhoHostsStuff/stonelike4.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/HeWhoHostsStuff/stonelike5.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/HeWhoHostsStuff/stonelike6.jpg

In both games it's basically some sort of sentient all-powerful (though not necessarily "evil") thing that you encounter at the very end of the game, but you can't shoot at it, you've just got to dodge the junk it throws at you for a certain period of time.

As for whether the shape has anything to do with anything else, you've got me.

[Quiddity]

Why do I mention this? In case you weren't aware, Akuma's name in Japan is "Gouki" (sort of like "Vega" here is "Balrog" there, "Servbot" here, "Kobun" there, etc.), and they named the giant robot version of him "Zerogouki!" Am I the only one who thinks that might have been an Eva reference?

Wow, Eva created the japanese language? I never knew that!

Zerogouki = Unit 01 = common name that has existed llllloooonnnnnggggg before Eva.

Next thing you'll tell me that Eva created the concept of the recap movie... wait a minute, someone named 'EvaXephon' already claimed that... @_@

[HeWhoPostsStuff]

Zerogouki = Unit 01 = common name that has existed llllloooonnnnnggggg before Eva.
I didn't mean it quite like that, I just wondered if the fact that said giant robot might be a reference to the other, more famous giant biomechanical weapon. Have there been any other famous "Unit-01"s for this particular "Gouki" to parody?

[Magami No ER]

Famous? It's rather a generic term for scifi/war/giant robot anime past and present, I think since Evangelions have no "rollout number/code" and instead are considered their own units and seperated as such, the names are more memorable for each Eva. (Hence, you get a decent amount of Evangelion pictures even when googling the vague "unit 01" )

[Hekym]

I sincerely think that the particular classification system is unique to EVa. not the Unit-# classification, but the particular way it was organized. Namely, Unit-00 to the prototype and then the others following. I might be wrong, but I'd never seen that before. Prototypes dont usually get the same status as other units.


And another thing. I think the term Unit 01 is used more throughout science fiction than unit-02. Unit-02 is really famous as just unit-02 (especially after that nonsense in EoE). it's sort of unique.