Final Fantasy XI Discussion

[Michael]

Yes but you were doing something productive while getting the coins. I don't see how running back and forth in one small area of Valkurm stealing beastcoins and just generally annoying the people who would be killing them for experience (I hate selfish punk emp hunters who think they need to kill everything in sight meaning my group has nothing to pull).

And yes, you should be set with it under 156. Heck, 156 might even be enough.

[RPGuru1331]

Dood, the worst was when I saw a level 43 farming Giddeus for the Necklaces.... The worst was when I asked him to just farm the gil up for Zinc, because I knew there were better farming places then Giddeus for him. Then he said "I don't want Tenshodo fame. I want Giddeus fame." It turns out that he's playing on the Japanese version, which is in Kanji. Anyhoo, he never found out that prices alter based on fame. I checked my Windy fame because I figured "Hey, maybe the fame is split between Windy and Tenshodo, thus explaining why Zinc brings more fame." Well, my Windy fame sucks. they haven't heard of me, and I turned in all those messages. I told him this, and how to check fame without actually reading it, and he asked me to put him on my friends list. Turns out he's got a lot of high level friends..............
Well anyhoo, My charisma sucks, so I figure that I can go with a slightly higher rice Ball price then most.

[Michael]

Meh, I'm not opposed to someone farming necklaces regardless of level, unless someone is actually exping off of them. Otherwise it's fair competition. Sure they could farm money, but what's wrong with making money and fame? ;p Birdies drop decent gil on top of the quest reward and all that. I'd rather farm the necklaces than farm money.

Honestly, even at 43 the best you're going to find aside from NM camping is silks. Tigers would still be a pain to try and farm, so none of that, plus silk is generally a better return, but fangs give fame too. There are other things, sure, but they aren't as generally rewarding as silk. Silk is fairly common drop, fast sell, near instant 8000-10000. Mid 50s + you can start farming goobues with friends in Zi'Tah, but I know even low 60s plds have trouble holding them down solo. Best bet would be high level rdm for them. Two people in my LS were competing over them, the 70rdm had to keep saving the 62pld, haha.

[RPGuru1331]

Meh, I'm not opposed to someone farming necklaces regardless of level, unless someone is actually exping off of them. Otherwise it's fair competition. Sure they could farm money, but what's wrong with making money and fame? ;p Birdies drop decent gil on top of the quest reward and all that. I'd rather farm the necklaces than farm money.

Honestly, even at 43 the best you're going to find aside from NM camping is silks. Tigers would still be a pain to try and farm, so none of that, plus silk is generally a better return, but fangs give fame too. There are other things, sure, but they aren't as generally rewarding as silk. Silk is fairly common drop, fast sell, near instant 8000-10000. Mid 50s + you can start farming goobues with friends in Zi'Tah, but I know even low 60s plds have trouble holding them down solo. Best bet would be high level rdm for them. Two people in my LS were competing over them, the 70rdm had to keep saving the 62pld, haha.
Ooh, damn, I meant he wanted windy fame.
My problem was that he'd aggro up a whole damned room (And I didnt' have my ranged weapon on me, to save space), looking for the wrong kind of fame. It was fine though. After I told him his mistake, he went off to go farm up crawlers.
I'm about to go farm 6 stacks myself, really. I'm not about to complain.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

...you died "a lot" in Gusgen Mines with a 51whm and a "high level tank?" I'm going to assume that it's the low levels fault people were dying, because they were running around like crazy just asking to be killed. I've helped in Gusgen many times before I even started dragoon on a 31 monk. I could solo two ghouls at once without too much problem. Normally I'd clear the four straight back from the entrance and just rest to full there and wait for them to spawn again. Skeletons aren't that hard, it's the dogs and the ghosts you have to worry about.
Yeah, we had some running around, but I think we went to far, and we ended up rooms where like 2-3 ghouls and a dog would show up, and a couple of times bogeys showed up. We could fight one at a time pretty good, but we ran into some groups that made it a problem. I am up to a lvl 20 Warr right now, trying to lvl my wht mg, currently I am at 7. I have a bad habit of getting imapatient and trying to take on monsters that are to strong. I went with a warrior and a black mage last night. We tried to fight hares in la thiene, that didnt go so well either. It seems like if you are going to group just go all out with a 6 person group and fight VT and IT monsters.

[Aelice]

Haven't played in a while (studies), but I did again today.. raised six levels for my Bard in 3 hours! ^_^ Best PT I've been in ages. Tempted to make a static PT with them, we always play around the same time. I finally hit Monster Signa level.. I may just kill a week trying to camp it. :P

[Fury]

I'm getting so sick of being a BLM now. Its becoming impossible to solo against anything because the only damage I can do is with my spells which take too long to cast and always get interupted :( I was in Horutoto ruins and I got attacked by a few easy preys and too weaks and they killed me with no trouble at all.

I think I might get try to get up to lvl 30 as quick as possible now so I can become a Dragoon.

[chibi_gravi]

Hey everyone! I began playing a week ago.

Name: Gravi
Race: Human
lvl: 15 (only 300 tnl)
Job: Red Mage
Location: Sandoria
Server: Sylph

[Michael]

blm is weak like that, you really aren't meant to solo unless you fight worms. And going blm to 30 and then taking dragoon is a terrible idea. You'll just have to grind to 30 all over again. I did dragoon after doing monk, meaning I had to waste the time grinding warrior again. drg/blm is useless. Well, dragoon in general is terrible and useless, especially post nerf seeing as everything they had going for them was multihit ws up until 65.

[RPGuru1331]

Whatta ya mean "Dragoon is worthless" I'm no higher level, but I know Scar seems to be doing just fine at 60. Hell, he's the fastest leveller in our LS, among the higher levels. And uh, I know Penta's really nice and shiny, but it also killed off any chance a Samurai had of out-TPing his allies, and when a Samurai is all about TP.....

[Fury]

I wasnt really planning on going DRG/BLM. I have my WHM at 10 so I was going to sub that for a DRG. I was checking at gamefaqs and a lot of people really seem to hate dragoons. They aren't really that bad are they?

[Kuroneko2]

My computer has been broken for a while. I'm on someone elses comp. Have there been any changes to XI recently?

[Aelice]

I'm getting so sick of being a BLM now. Its becoming impossible to solo against anything because the only damage I can do is with my spells which take too long to cast and always get interupted :( I was in Horutoto ruins and I got attacked by a few easy preys and too weaks and they killed me with no trouble at all.

I think I might get try to get up to lvl 30 as quick as possible now so I can become a Dragoon.

Once you get Bind, it SHOULD be easier.

Just get a hammer and solo easy prey until 9-10, where you make a KILLING in the Maze. :) After that, you'll do equally well in Korokolla.

[rei82]

yea i see lvl 13 or so bkm in the maze taking out inc t worms and then i look at my feeble theif and get jealous, but now being lvl 20 thf i can kick those things ***.

One quick question: I got the lapis coral and gave it to that burglar and she wants me to go to her hideout in the Hortoro ruins, the thing is I dont know which one it is, i checked each of the inner and outer ruins in East and West sartabaruta and i cant find her hiding place, where is the damn thing?

[RPGuru1331]

Little bastards..... I've killed an ungodly number of Carnivorous Crawlers in Pashow Marshlands AS A THIEF and I've gotten 2 Silk. I'm logging for now, because the moon is new. I've heard that that makes a huge difference, so I'm just gonna chill and wait. I'll come back a few hours later and see what happened.

[Michael]

First, penta is not, and was not, nice and shiny. It was highly highly over-rated. Same with Guillotine. Guillotine was good for a while 5 levels, however, Cross Reaper > Guillotine. Anyway, dragoons do thrust type damage, however, that overall damage is not anywhere near that of a monk or even a dark knight's-- especially considering from for majority of the longer levels, you're fighting crabs and beetles. Dragoon is terrible against crabs and beetles. Dragoons are simply a filler job. They offer nothing special to a group, only to themselves-- however, that doesn't matter in a group situation. Dragoons damage output for majority of the game is terrible. In the rare occassion you get to fight some flies or bats or something, you can shine-- but the number one most encountered mob in the game = crabs. Crabs crabs crabs crabs crabs. I'm sick of crabs. Dragoon was fun, it probably still could be fun, but I was disheartened by that neft. What actually made dragoon semi-useful and stand out was his multihit weaponskills. We get a number of them, and they served us well. The nerf wasn't about samurai not doing their job, samurai took a hit too. The nerf was probably because the devs thought the game to be way too easy. Especially when a monk could Asuran Fists and return around 114% TP and just do it again, back to back Asuran spam. Samurai are a little better at holding higher TP, but a dragoon can still give them a run for their money, dragoon can still get some fast TP, but given they can't gain it at insane rates (even with skewer I had faster TP than anyone else in my group) anymore, they just don't do anything. Why take a dragoon when you could take a dark knight for more consistant damage? Cross Reaper definitely owns the dragoon weaponskills post-spam (which again, was highly over-rated, even pre-nerf), especially consdering CR is a Lv3 darkness. The dragoon's wheeling thrust (which is still intense, but falls short with following point) is Lv3 Light. wtf do you want to use light on? Undead? Wow, great, a dragoon fighting undead, probably the worst possible thing you could fight as a dragoon. Hey look, there's a shiny monk, he DESTROYS undead, and Dragon Kick is freaking INSANE.

There's a reason people always laugh at the dragoons, even pre-patch. They were neat looking, they have a cute wyvern...that's about it. They aren't the best damage, they're just there. They fill a spot when you need it. I was able to endure it when it was a fun job. But, it's play style took a MAJOR hit, and it is now no longer enjoyable for me. It almost literally want to cry when I penta thrust and get ONE TP back.

[RPGuru1331]

First, penta is not, and was not, nice and shiny. It was highly highly over-rated. Same with Guillotine. Guillotine was good for a while 5 levels, however, Cross Reaper > Guillotine. Anyway, dragoons do thrust type damage, however, that overall damage is not anywhere near that of a monk or even a dark knight's-- especially considering from for majority of the longer levels, you're fighting crabs and beetles. Dragoon is terrible against crabs and beetles. Dragoons are simply a filler job. They offer nothing special to a group, only to themselves-- however, that doesn't matter in a group situation. Dragoons damage output for majority of the game is terrible. In the rare occassion you get to fight some flies or bats or something, you can shine-- but the number one most encountered mob in the game = crabs. Crabs crabs crabs crabs crabs. I'm sick of crabs. Dragoon was fun, it probably still could be fun, but I was disheartened by that neft. What actually made dragoon semi-useful and stand out was his multihit weaponskills. We get a number of them, and they served us well. The nerf wasn't about samurai not doing their job, samurai took a hit too. The nerf was probably because the devs thought the game to be way too easy. Especially when a monk could Asuran Fists and return around 114% TP and just do it again, back to back Asuran spam. Samurai are a little better at holding higher TP, but a dragoon can still give them a run for their money, dragoon can still get some fast TP, but given they can't gain it at insane rates (even with skewer I had faster TP than anyone else in my group) anymore, they just don't do anything. Why take a dragoon when you could take a dark knight for more consistant damage? Cross Reaper definitely owns the dragoon weaponskills post-spam (which again, was highly over-rated, even pre-nerf), especially consdering CR is a Lv3 darkness. The dragoon's wheeling thrust (which is still intense, but falls short with following point) is Lv3 Light. wtf do you want to use light on? Undead? Wow, great, a dragoon fighting undead, probably the worst possible thing you could fight as a dragoon. Hey look, there's a shiny monk, he DESTROYS undead, and Dragon Kick is freaking INSANE.

There's a reason people always laugh at the dragoons, even pre-patch. They were neat looking, they have a cute wyvern...that's about it. They aren't the best damage, they're just there. They fill a spot when you need it. I was able to endure it when it was a fun job. But, it's play style took a MAJOR hit, and it is now no longer enjoyable for me. It almost literally want to cry when I penta thrust and get ONE TP back.
I suppose your opinion does take precedence over mine, seeing as how you're the Dragoon here. Woudlnt' they still have one major advantage over a thief though: SAnTA damage before they fixed the Yokodama bug takes either 2 vokers or another thief to do properly. It's very nice damage and aggro control, but it means that you have to account for that in party formations. AND the level you get SAnTA as a possiblity is the level people start subbing Thief.

[Michael]

People shouldn't be subbing thief. They obviously only care about themselves, and not how to make a group work. It's fine if you offer it as an alternative, and you have a proper group formation to make it work, however, I'm a firm believer that all heavy melee's primary sub should always be warrior.

And uh, dragoon, in my opinion, is the worst job to sub thief for. Why would a dragoon need to s/t? A dragoon can already self-manage aggro just fine, and the bonuses from a subbed s/t, especially on multi-hits, even moreso on a multihit like skewer (3 hits accuracy varies with tp, even at 100% it's rare I miss any of the hits anyway) are minimal. Rather than having a guaranteed critical on a weaponskill like that, I'd rather have double attack, hands down. I can already potentially double my first strike's damage as a warrior sub and I also have berserk to increase my total overall damage output more consistantly. Who would I s/t onto? If I even used a thf sub, I bet half the time I would just sneak a regular attack and trick onto the tank. Meh, I'd rather just stand behind the mob the whole time. ;p

I'm told s/t Wheeling Thrust is great, but I wouldn't do it. I just have no desire to sacrifice a party's overall effectiveness to get a hardon looking at higher single hit numbers. Woopie.

[Fury]

Once you get Bind, it SHOULD be easier.

Just get a hammer and solo easy prey until 9-10, where you make a KILLING in the Maze. :) After that, you'll do equally well in Korokolla.
I should of said what level I was at. My BLM is at 20 so I got Bind 13 levels ago and I've started in Quifim now, thanks anyway :)


Now about the Dragoon... I dont think I'll be going one anymore after hearing all this so now I have to decide what job to go.

First I wanted to go a SMN but then I found out they arent really used to just be summoned and attack with you.

Then I wanted to go a DRG but well now I know that they suck.

I really dont know what I want to go anymore.

[Miduki]

Name: Rekki
Kingdom: San D'Oria
Server: Diabolos
Job: WHM45/SMN20/BLM17/DRG15/BRD10/NIN10
Linkshell: EtherealPlain, AcesXandXEights

Current Aspiration: Actually beat the level 20 avatars

[rei82]

One quick question: I got the lapis coral and gave it to that burglar and she wants me to go to her hideout in the Hortoro ruins, the thing is I dont know which one it is, i checked each of the inner and outer ruins in East and West sartabaruta and i cant find her hiding place, where is the damn thing?

just bumped again.

[Miduki]

Check, Killing Ifrit (see my sig), KoolAid, or Allakazam for Windy (Windurst) quests. I think there are some pretty nasty fiends for low level characters (like uner 40) in the Outer Harutoto Ruins.

[RPGuru1331]

People shouldn't be subbing thief. They obviously only care about themselves, and not how to make a group work. It's fine if you offer it as an alternative, and you have a proper group formation to make it work, however, I'm a firm believer that all heavy melee's primary sub should always be warrior.

And uh, dragoon, in my opinion, is the worst job to sub thief for. Why would a dragoon need to s/t? A dragoon can already self-manage aggro just fine, and the bonuses from a subbed s/t, especially on multi-hits, even moreso on a multihit like skewer (3 hits accuracy varies with tp, even at 100% it's rare I miss any of the hits anyway) are minimal. Rather than having a guaranteed critical on a weaponskill like that, I'd rather have double attack, hands down. I can already potentially double my first strike's damage as a warrior sub and I also have berserk to increase my total overall damage output more consistantly. Who would I s/t onto? If I even used a thf sub, I bet half the time I would just sneak a regular attack and trick onto the tank. Meh, I'd rather just stand behind the mob the whole time. ;p

I'm told s/t Wheeling Thrust is great, but I wouldn't do it. I just have no desire to sacrifice a party's overall effectiveness to get a hardon looking at higher single hit numbers. Woopie.
Uh, on the Allakhazam boards, I've heard reports of higher level Dark Knights subbing Thief and hitting A LOT harder. I'll grant that in a lot of cases, it's useless though. I mean, once you have 1 Treasure Hunter, or Gilfinder, it's the same as if you had 6 of them.

[Fury]

One quick question: I got the lapis coral and gave it to that burglar and she wants me to go to her hideout in the Hortoro ruins, the thing is I dont know which one it is, i checked each of the inner and outer ruins in East and West sartabaruta and i cant find her hiding place, where is the damn thing?
Its one of the 3 towers in East Sartabaruta, on the map its the middle one at J-7. If you walk around through the tower pressing tab a lot you should find the door in one of the rooms with the orbs. It will lead you to a cave area, just keep going through there and you should eventualy get to where you want to be. I'm up to the same mission but I haven't actually gotten through the cave area yet, I died once and havent tried again since so I dont know what to do after that.

[Michael]

But the subbed s/t damage isn't consistant, and you need someone who is willing to be s/t'd onto. Unless it's a dragoon, you're going to find a lot of resistance. And you're just helping prove my point. People like the hard on they get from one big hit, and only care about the damage they themselves do. They think the only thing a group needs is damage-- a group is about balance. A drk/thf rarely gives "balance" to a group. Okay, sure, that dark knight can do a lot of damage in one big hit, but they sacrifice any group support. All they can do is benefit themselves at the sacrifice of others. It works and I know it's nice, but it can be hard on groups. I guess you could take a dark and just forsake a pure thief all together, but you miss out on more flexible skillchains. And I'm not sure I'd want to be the recipient of a guillotine > penta thrust skillchain, even with the best paladins I know. I can only Super Jump once every five minutes. ;p

It's like people who want to start a group with a ninja, and not use a thief. It CAN work, as I've done it before, but it's extremely difficult, and no matter what you do, aggro is going to get bouncy at some point. It feels strange actually using berserk specifically to try and get hate. =p

[Fury]

Well... I made a decision about what job I'm doing..

I deleted my Hume BLM - Furyzero and created a new character.

I'm now an Elvaan Warrior from Bastok named Vurien :)

I'm still on the Odin server.

[RPGuru1331]

Well... I made a decision about what job I'm doing..

I deleted my Hume BLM - Furyzero and created a new character.

I'm now an Elvaan Warrior from Bastok named Vurien :)

I'm still on the Odin server.
Shoulda kept the character. You're just going to have to relevel anyway. At least having a BLM at/near 30 will let you farm better then a Warrior.

[Fury]

I didnt really like my first character at all though so I dont mind having him gone, I like my Elvaan warrior a lot more. It shouldnt take me long at all to get back to level 20. It took me a week to get to level 7 with my BLM when I first got the game and I got to level 7 in only a few hours today with my new character.

My plans so far for my Elvaan are:

Get WAR to 18
Get sub job
Get Monk to 15 as a sub for WAR
Get WAR to 30

Then I'll probably go a PLD or a DRK with WAR as a sub.

[Mercenary]

You'll miss not having warp. That is my favorite BLM spell.
And pretty much all jobs level the same after you start grouping at 12 or so. Although I think BLM is higher demand than Warrior, but I have seen times when people need Warriors and all that is around are mages of different types. So anything works.

[RPGuru1331]

You'll miss not having warp. That is my favorite BLM spell.
And pretty much all jobs level the same after you start grouping at 12 or so. Although I think BLM is higher demand than Warrior, but I have seen times when people need Warriors and all that is around are mages of different types. So anything works.
Mages level quicker, given the same time spent exping. Why? Because they're in higher demand. It's nothing against us meleers, but an effective group needs a BLM and a WHM. Whereas, meleers can be mixed a lot better.
Granted though, Ninjas circumvent the need for WHMs a bit, so they can level a bit faster.

[Mercenary]

Mages level quicker, given the same time spent exping. Why? Because they're in higher demand. It's nothing against us meleers, but an effective group needs a BLM and a WHM. Whereas, meleers can be mixed a lot better.
Granted though, Ninjas circumvent the need for WHMs a bit, so they can level a bit faster.

Which is why I said: "Although I think BLM is higher demand than Warrior"

Sometimes I wanted to be a Whm/Blm just so I could Teleport and then Warp. Although I like my enchant spells and my armor and ability to use a sword to give up my redmage. But since my melee stinks anyway I'm always expected to be backup healer. :/ I don't even want to know what its like for Lvl41+ Rdms who just have to refresh all the time >_<. Things like that prevented me from ever getting too high.

[RPGuru1331]

Which is why I said: "Although I think BLM is higher demand than Warrior"

Sometimes I wanted to be a Whm/Blm just so I could Teleport and then Warp. Although I like my enchant spells and my armor and ability to use a sword to give up my redmage. But since my melee stinks anyway I'm always expected to be backup healer. :/ I don't even want to know what its like for Lvl41+ Rdms who just have to refresh all the time >_<. Things like that prevented me from ever getting too high.
I'm stuck at 30 Thief because:
I suck at making money. I'm not THAT lazy, but I killed Crawlers for an hour and a half, for 2 Silk Threads. At Lunar Cycle 7%. Pitiful. I'm going to camp the Golden Bat, since I can also get Sand Bat Fangs and Lizard Skins. 8k a stack of Skin, 4250 + Bastok Fame for the Sand Bat Fangs. The Night Cape is 30k on this server, so if I can get that, I'll have the Mercenary Captain's gear I want.
Current hopes on equipment:
Weapon: Mercenary's Knife (I can't justify spending 10k on a 2 dmg increase)
Shield: Whatever's current
Ranged: Flame Boomerang
Ammo: Happy Egg (If not pulling)
Head: Mercenary Captain's Visor
Neck: Spike Necklace
Body: Mercenary Captain's Doublet
Hands: Savage Gauntlets
Earrings: Beetle Earrings +1 for now, Wing Earrings in a few levels.
Rings: Balance Rings
Back: Nomad's Mantle
Waist: Mercenary Captain's Belt
Legs: Savage Seperates
Feet: Savage Gaiters
Odd for a thief, but the RSE is better defense then the MC Gear, is cheaper (I'm getting it myself), and I'm giving up 2 Evasion and 1 Agi for 4 Vitality, 4 Mind, and 2 Charisma.
What server are ya on, Merc?

[Mercenary]

I'm on Odin, but not currently. I canceled my account since I needed a break.
I was 34/17 Rdm/Blm

Thing I hate about being a mage though is spells can get extremely expensive, and then you can't sell them back. Even worse is a redmage who buys black and white magic, and armor. >_< Way too expensive.

I was considering resubscribing tomrrow but I found out another MMORPG I want is possibly coming out next month, so I am just going to wait and check that out. Although that means my Character/Account data will be deleted and Ill lose my Rank 5 Level 34/17 Redmage >_<

[RPGuru1331]

Well, adios then. Bit of a pity, really, but not much that can be done.

[Aelice]

Though mages cost a lot of money, I dont complain because of the poor Rangers and Ninjas. :P Also, mages get into PTs effortlessly if they're caught up on spells, while several melee wait. I think it's a fair trade.

.. :P Can I have your armor and gil? Dont let is go to waste! ^^ I'm Rinlocke on Odin.

[Mercenary]

Though mages cost a lot of money, I dont complain because of the poor Rangers and Ninjas. :P Also, mages get into PTs effortlessly if they're caught up on spells, while several melee wait. I think it's a fair trade.

.. :P Can I have your armor and gil? Dont let is go to waste! ^^ I'm Rinlocke on Odin.

That is true with Rangers and Ninjas, didn't think about that. And I suppose it is a fair trade, nothing worse than just sitting around waiting for a party for hours.

I would give away my stuff for free, except I cancelled my account a while ago back at the end of March. :/

[Michael]

Yeah, poor ninja. Since starting ninja up I've had nearly 400,000G to play with. I'm down to 140,000, and I've only done 12-37. Now I use shihei more than twice as much. Bah.

Though, it doesn't help that I bought two 40k earrings, a 30k cloak, I ended up buying Utsu:Ni(110k) because I don't have a viable class to take into BCNM40, I have my whole set of Lv40 armor pre-bought, etc. Now unless I actually try to farm my other Ni ninjutsus, I'm going to spend another 60-80k on them. I've been in groups killing ninja mobs and seen the drop rates on those ninjutsu spells. Ugh, not worth trying to farm all of them and hoping to get lucky. I might just buy a couple of the ni's and use them for their hate utility, but I'd rather be complete.

As for red mage, post 41, you kinda don't have to care about playing backup healer. When you keep the whm refreshed, they rarely need the back up. Also, with you keeping refresh on yourself, and having convert, you rarely run out mana. Post 41 red mage becomes play style. Some like to go back to meleeing, and they do (you literally do not need to rest. If you wanted to be the best you could be, take up cooking and back up the rare occassion when refresh would wear off when convert was down. Static party rdm was rdm/nin dual wield melee rdm, even with ghetto no-bonus mana pool, rarely had a problem with mp, and she didn't have juices ;p), others like sitting back like a healer. Whatever floats your boat. I believe it's important for a redmage to accept their role as a semi-decent healing class and sit back with the mages more than they melee (at least melee enough to keep skills up), but once you get refresh, it's not an issue.

At least red mage's expensive spells are, well, good. Consider Erase. Any white mage that wants to complete their spellbook, sucks for them, Erase is absolute crap for the money it costs. It has little application.

[Fury]

You'll miss not having warp. That is my favorite BLM spell.
And pretty much all jobs level the same after you start grouping at 12 or so. Although I think BLM is higher demand than Warrior, but I have seen times when people need Warriors and all that is around are mages of different types. So anything works.
Warp is probably the only thing I'll miss from my BLM.. Its worth it though, I'm having so much more fun being an Elvaan WAR than I ever did with my Hume BLM ^_^

I started leveling up gold smithing today and got to 0.7 but then I found out how expensive gold smithing can get so I joined the black smith guild instead ^^

[Mercenary]

I wanted to try Rdm/Nin with dual wield, I just like the idea of Enchant with dual wield (with each sword having attk and accuracy bonuses). That and refresh, I wonder if you may even be able to solo a little again just for fun.

I suppose it depends on time, if I can find a way to manage my time to where I don't get addicted to the game like I did last time I played, and can limit myself to only an hour or two a day then I could probably sign up again next month.

I guess I'll just have to think about it for a bit.

[Michael]

rdm/nin is probably the best solo combination in the game. Blink, Stoneskin, Phalanx, Utsusemi. When you actually get hit, it gets absobed by stoneskin, when stoneskin fades and you actually get hit, it's heavily reduced by phalanx. My current linkshell's leader is a rdm. He'll sub warrior and tank encounters for us. Last I logged in he was 73. He'll actually convert while tanking too, haha.

[Kitoshi]

If you want to go RDM I suggest you go RDM/BLM-RDM/WHM-RDM/SMN. Those subjobs will help you level quickly and once you Lvl your RDM to whatever level you want and you have alot of Gil go lvl Nin up then go RDM/NIN and solo your heart away.

I can't belive you retired your DRG michael. That must have taken months. @.@

[RPGuru1331]

Well, I just got Dragoon. I named the little guy Hien. Like Beastmaster, I don't intend to actually focus on this, just level it for fun. Got jumped by Quads right off though, so I didn't get to experiment much with the wyvern, or see it's effectiveness. I plan on killing the one hundred mobs for DRK sometime soon, just don't know when. After I do, I'm probably gonna go farm for a while, until I can afford my next set of equipment/supplies for my RSE.

[DragonRebornLee]

I started leveling up gold smithing today and got to 0.7 but then I found out how expensive gold smithing can get so I joined the black smith guild instead ^^
You realize why that is? Because it's probably the most useful and rewarding craft in the game. Level it high enough and you can make your own accessories, or sell them for obscene amounts in the Auction House.

[RPGuru1331]

You realize why that is? Because it's probably the most useful and rewarding craft in the game. Level it high enough and you can make your own accessories, or sell them for obscene amounts in the Auction House.
All the crafts have their own nifty things. Goldsmithing is just most obvious. Edit: And the demand for Zinc doesn't really come from Goldsmithing IMO. It comes from all the people who want Utsusemi: Ichi.

[Fury]

You realize why that is? Because it's probably the most useful and rewarding craft in the game. Level it high enough and you can make your own accessories, or sell them for obscene amounts in the Auction House.
I never thought of it like that.. I'll go back to gold smithing then, even though I only got it up to 0.7 I liked it a lot more than I did the black smith guild.

[RPGuru1331]

I never thought of it like that.. I'll go back to gold smithing then, even though I only got it up to 0.7 I liked it a lot more than I did the black smith guild.
Hope you have money. Although you can start making good cash at around 24, at least on our server. Make a stack of Silver Ingots and sell them at the AH. Easy profits, by reports of one of the LS goldsmiths.

[!n|=3c+iOn]

still not much going on for me...

still trying to lvl my subs *nin* and bst has been stopped for awhile...

right now just saving up me gil...

my thf equip right now will probably get upgraded soon...

current equip...

weapon: thf af1 dex+2 agi+2
weapon2: mytril kukri+1
range: long boomerang agi+1 or 2
head: emp. hairpin dex+3 agi+3 eva + 10 hp-10
neck: spike necklace dex+3 str+3 mnd-6
earring1: drone earring agi+3
earring2: drone earring agi+3
body: rse or merc. doublet for +1dex/agi
gloves: rse str+3 dex+3
ring1: balance ring dex+2 *hopefully will be deft rings dex+3*
ring2: balance ring dex+2 *same*
back: nomads mantle agi+1 eva+3?
belt: merc belt +1 all stats
pants: merc pants *wouldn't mind changing to garrison pants*
boots: leaping boots dex+3 agi+3

right now my gear puts me at +20 dex/+15 agi...

if i can save up my gil it will upgrade to +22 at 40...

[RFFC guy]

ive bin collectin some gil for a while now , and ive got 320k in my pocket and i just realised ! ive got nothing to buy ! o.o;; ive already got every thing -.-; ah well -o-;

[Michael]

I'm all for rdm/blm in grouping. Seal a sleep to help ensure it lands. The RDM can warp himself at the end of the day. He can escape the group if something happens-- and he has fast cast to help ensure that it happens. More MP means better convert.

[Mercenary]

Yeah rdm/blm for group, rdm/nin for soloing ^_^
I am really leaning toward resubscribing.

Btw, why did you retire your dragoon?

[Aelice]

Yeah rdm/blm for group, rdm/nin for soloing ^_^
I am really leaning toward resubscribing.

Btw, why did you retire your dragoon?

I think it was the TP update on Pentathrust and some other things that made the job really unnattractive at higher levels? XD I'm pretty sure Michael only became Dragoon in the first place was because of the uber sexy armor.

[Mercenary]

Quite annoying when they ruin the most redeeming thing about a job.

I decided to resubscribe afterall, one month isn't too much so may as well, updating stuff currently. Be nice to see old LS members again.

[Fury]

I think it was the TP update on Pentathrust and some other things that made the job really unnattractive at higher levels? XD I'm pretty sure Michael only became Dragoon in the first place was because of the uber sexy armor.
Thats the main reason I wanted to become one :P

[Mercenary]

What exactly was the update? (I figured it was that it lowered the TP gain?)

Heh logged on for a bit, nice to see bastok again. Try and gain back my 34th level later today.

[RPGuru1331]

Quite annoying when they ruin the most redeeming thing about a job.

I decided to resubscribe afterall, one month isn't too much so may as well, updating stuff currently. Be nice to see old LS members again.
Well, you should have heard Hiko before it. He was angry that Dragoons could out-TP a Samurai with Penta. Considerring that a SAM was MEANT to out-TP the other classes, that left him a little (Read: Very) Off-put. He was laughing so hard the day they nerfed Penta. The update was that the additional hits on a multi-hit WS gave 1 or 2 TP a hit, not the standard amount per hit. I'm not high level, so I haven't noticed a difference, personally. I also started on DRG. It's kinda fun, having lil' Hien there bashing enemies with me. I also decided that I'm keeping Monk levelled, because Ninja is too expensive to farm with. It'd defeat the whole purpose of farming if I only made enough to cover the Shihei I used.

[mystic_kurokawa]

Question for any fishers. It is just me or has fishing really sucked lately?

[Mercenary]

Got up to 35. It is so much more interesting when you keep busy, instead of constantly worrying about healing mainly, I could concentrate on Debuffing the enemy, Enfire myself attack the enemy, do Magic Bursts, and backup heal.

As long as the party has a good white mage who can keep people healed up fairly well and we got people who can WS fairly well, then I am happy. I just like doing tons of things at once, it makes the leveling go so much faster.

[Fury]

Just get a hammer and solo easy prey until 9-10, where you make a KILLING in the Maze. :) After that, you'll do equally well in Korokolla.
I'm close to 9 with my Warrior now... are they good in the Maze aswell or should I stick to Valkurm from around 10. Same question for Korokolla but at what level should I head there?

[Kitoshi]

Oh yeah, they did Gimp Dragoons. :x

Today I was doing Genki 2 and my Net completly ****ed up at the final boss. I almost had a heart attack. Luckily ONE person told them to wait and I was able to get it after they killed it for me again. X) I was so happy~ Which = to me logging off for the day and getting some well deserved sleep and relaxation. \(^^)/

[Michael]

The thing with dragoons out-tping samurai though was the fact it had very little tactical application. So, wow, I could penta two times in a fight, MAYBE three (now please note, even pre-patch, I have seen Samurai out TP me when they penta spammed. And samurai took a 2 minute hit to meditate anyway, a dragoon can still give them a damned good run for their TP). See, the thing was, for 16 levels, levels that are equivalent to doing like 1-45 all over again, Dragoons are specifically BASED on their multihit weaponskills. It's all they do. There's no tactical applications, a dragoon is told "poke it...a lot." A samurai on the other hand using the weapon they technically SHOULD be using (g.katana) has significantly more skillchain ability, which is what I've always viewed samurai as being good for. Samurai have some nice damage attacks, but they aren't battle spam, a samurai just doesn't seem by design to be a sheer heavy output class (monk, dark knight, dragoon for melee), they open the doors for an overall output. They are team players. Monks, Dark Knights, and Dragoons are rarely team players, they're grunts, they just smash things (this changes when you get into the Lv3s, but that's at 65 =/).

And Aelice is right, the primary reason I started up a dragoon was for the armor, so I could be all classic FFT dragoon man. The class lost it's appeal when I realised Penta was only so-so, and not the greatest thing since sliced bread until the higher skills. Fun because I could do it a bunch each fight, but damage was sparatic, tp return was unreliable (okay, yeah, so there are times when I could easily out-tp and samurai, but it was luck for me. Pure luck. I didn't have a guaranteed 100% tp every 1m10s. ;p). Fun class to take to 60, and there are only 5 more levels of gimp multihits, but meh, the job sort of lost it's appeal. I mean, that's uh, over 100,000xp just to get to 65, then I have to progress into the level enough to start getting skillups to earn Wheeling Thrust. Then I get shafted because it's on the wrong side of the chart for most xp grind mobs. I got my armor and felt "done" with the class. Meh. The polearm relic WS is retarded anyway. Same with the relic weapon itself. I'm so glad I'll never feel the need to wield that.

Maze of Shakhrami wasn't consistant enough for me. The first few jobs up Maze always had people, but the past couple months I couldn't get a group there when I wanted to get a group, so I just went to Valkurm and did lizards and low level goblins. It's great when you can get the maze to work (I did like 12-18 in a few hours there). Korroloka is random too, it's hard to find a group around there, I've only ever been there with people from my LS, we'd get a near full group and then drag people from Valkurm and just hang out until they got there. Very very fast exp when you can get it going. Did 17-20 ninja there easy.

Genkai 2 is hell, I hate that thing. I've done it like three times to help friends aside from when I've done it. The Boreal Wolf just loves to bite my face. Stupid thing has such high HP but no defense, so my pentas would do around 900 damage easy. This angers them.

[Seijuro_Hiko_IX]

The fact that a damage dealing job could easily and constantly out TP a job that was designed to get TP was rediculous. It made me feel so worthless. So did every single Samurai forum I went to which everyone always talked about how gimped Samurai are and how they are "not good as a main job".

But its all good now. The TP gimp makes me laugh and laugh and laugh. See, I don't have any WS that hit more than twice anyway, so it doesn't hurt me that much. Oh how I enjoyed hearing about how the DRG's were crying and complaining... It still makes me giggle with glee. Now I'm glad I stopped trying to level polearm around level 35 or so. It was such a hassel and I hated those things anyway. My great katana always was SO much more effective. The only bad thing is the last thing I did before taking my extended leave was buy the level 52 samurai specific polearm. I still have the useless thing.

[Michael]

Meh, samurai are still a ghetto damage class compared to monk and dark knights. You can laugh with glee all you want, but uh, haha, now you're just equal with those you're laughing at.

I think the part of TP samurai fail to realise is TACTICAL points. There is hardly any tactical application to solo spamming a multihit weaponskill. Samurai were never gimped, they just required (and still do require) a more focused group setting. Samurai could easily run circles around penta spam given a skilled thief and black mage in the group. Whiney samurai were and still are too set on their own damage as opposed to the overall potential a group has. Balance. Learn it. Seek it. Master it. Dragoon has little skillchain application. We can.. uh.. Double Thrust into a Distortion (...riiiiight) or follow a Dark Knight's Guillotine. Gravitation is great when you get to 60, but before then Distortion is all that matters for more than 10 levels. Well, that means I can Double Thrust.. or uh, elemental thrust (which at the time gave 0 tp), or uhm.. wow VORPAL THRUST, in all it's crappy splendor. Also consider at this time, Meditate was a 1 minute reuse. So, it was CAKE to hold down two separate chains (and yet people still managed to suck at it, I don't understand how) and just keep the damage flowing. samurai = opportunity, dragoon = grunt stab stab stab stab look at me, I don't do anything. The first thing every samurai I've ever grouped with did was create a chain. The first thing every dragoon I've ever grouped with is assume they're going to spam. You can apply things, we can't.

See, what I don't understand is that after 2 years of the game being out, they just now decide "oops." That's what pisses me off the most about the whole thing. "We fixed it, because it was uh, never intended-- EVEN THOUGH IT STAYED THAT WAY FOR TWO YEARS." As hard as I try, I cannot comprehend such an extreme "fix" so late in the game. I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if they nerfed ninja tanking. "Yeah even though it's become a static and well accepted way of playing, ninja are no longer going to blink tank, because even after all the beta testing and this entire time of the expansion being out, we didn't mean for it to happen, and all the NA paladins are whining too much." Thanks guys.

Verant/Sony Online Entertainment were smart enough not to mess with stuff like this. They never inteded for kiting to be an effective way of leveling, it was never intended to happen period. But it did. They balanced little details about it, but they would never take it out completely, because it's become so solid. TP gain in FFXI was solid, every melee class took a hit, because they all have multihit weaponskills. While dragoon had an edge in said multihits (come on, we have the crappiest damage of the true heavy melee, oh my god, dragoons, they can do something well FIX IT!), it's not like it mattered 98% of the time. Most dragoons are too retarded to watch combat spam and just fire skills into scissor guarded crabs. Even myself with +28 accuraccy would get 1 hit pentas off (hence why Skewer is so awesome, damage is static, and TP relates to accuracy, I rarely missed any of the three even at 100%).

All in all though, you hear dragoons complain about it most not because multihit weaponskills are omgomgomghotness like everyone tries to make it out to be, but because it's a key point to 49-65. They rely on them for so long, longer than any other job. They don't have other options, they aren't that great of a job.

I'm bitter towards samurai like yourself not because I played dragoon, but because you don't understand that spamming multihit skills is NOT all that, even if we get a lot of TP from it. You complain and complain about how it's not fair that we get tp faster, but you fail to realise it can balance out if you actually play your job effectively, join the right groups. Dragoon is one of the few classes requiring little skill to play (all it takes is paying attention to combat and timing your High Jump so the detaunt isn't wasted-- sadly, majority of dragoons lack even these basic of skills). You picked a high maintainence job, boohoo, not my fault. ;p You want to just join any average group, get exp and grind your way up with little application (like I did with dragoon =p) then play a real heavy melee. Preferablly monk. Monk needs more love, they dominate melee combat, but no one realises it until they're level 60 wastedjob.

I'm getting the high maintainence blues though with ninja. I'm sick of getting retarded groups that slap together six jobs and expect me to hold aggro sans thief with either a monk or a dark knight or even both. Yeah, ninja holding aggro over a monk... paladins have trouble holding aggro over a monk without a thief.

[RPGuru1331]

Ya see? I told you he laughed. Anyway, I think I figured out why I suck at making money: I have this completely irrational hatred of farming beehive chips. I don't get it. I could very easily and very quickly farm up a storm in Zegham Hill, if I wanted to, slaying Maneating Hornet after Maneating Hornet. And yet, I don't. I go out of my way to farm ineffective places (I've been trying NW Valkurm, for Sand Bat Fangs, Lizard Skins, Beastman Blood, and hopefully the Golden Bat) Because it's good in theory. I knew I was taking too long a fight to be making money equivalent to Zegham hill. Yet I continued, next trying Pashow Marshlands for Crawler Silk. While I dispatched Crawlers relatively easily, since they don't aggro so my SAs never get screwed up, they weren't spawning fast enough. I'd farm for an hour and have 2 Silk Threads. It hadn't occured to me that I just hated the place until I realized I was giving up better experience with Dragoon to stay in the more dangerous Konschtat Highlands. Sometime tonight I'm heading over to N.Gusta and just slaughtering all the bees I see until my inventory is full. Lather, Rinse, Repeat.
Edit: Hiko, do the words "Extended Leave" mean I shouldn't be saying "When you die, may I have your watch?"

[Michael]

Meh, I farm crawlers in high crawler traffic newbie areas. Pffft Marshlands. Go to Buburimu Peninsula and stay along the cliff over the shoreline. Heck, right outside Mhuara to the east is a group of like five crawlers. Also, go inside Shakhrami. You could take the basic crawlers all over the upper side (Tahrongi side) there are a few rooms with a lot of them. Don't go to the lower side though, the Caterchipillars will tear you a new one, and if they don't, the scorpions, wights, and goblin smithies will.

I don't even sub thf and get 2 stacks in under 2 hours. I would sub thief, but I have this thing with having a totally ghetto sub. I can't even flee with thief subbed, so meh, I'm fine with warrior. Unless it's been changed I've never seen any insane difference between thf sub farming vs. war sub farming. It helps, but not enough for me to take a hit to my HP and overall damage. faster death = more death = more drop potential anyway!

[Aelice]

I'm close to 9 with my Warrior now... are they good in the Maze aswell or should I stick to Valkurm from around 10. Same question for Korokolla but at what level should I head there?

Hmmm.. a lot of PTs in the Maze I've seen had 1-2 melee, and the rest mages. ^^ If you're lucky and manage to organize the PT, you'll be fine. But if a group of melee tries to take you along, or there are already set groups and they'd rather have another caster instead of you, it may be a tad more difficult. :| It's not THAT bad for melee, though. ^^ Just make sure you have a WHM and some nukers/rangers. You should do fine there.

I mean, the PT I was in had a THF and a WAR. O_o Then 1 RNG, me (BRD), 1 BLM, and 1 WHM. And we completely cleared them out. :) It's all about organization.

[Mercenary]

I stink so much are farming x.x;
I mean it is fun to wipe the floor with enemies that you used to have to run from, but it gets old quick.
I tried farming for lizard skins in Valkurm, but that got tiring since they seemed to drop so rarely. I swear there has to be at least one good method of making money.

Dispel is what I need for Crawlers Nest correct? If my AH junk with sell tonight then Ill have enough for it. -_-;
I dont even want to think of how I am going to save up for Phalanx...

[RPGuru1331]

Meh, I farm crawlers in high crawler traffic newbie areas. Pffft Marshlands. Go to Buburimu Peninsula and stay along the cliff over the shoreline. Heck, right outside Mhuara to the east is a group of like five crawlers. Also, go inside Shakhrami. You could take the basic crawlers all over the upper side (Tahrongi side) there are a few rooms with a lot of them. Don't go to the lower side though, the Caterchipillars will tear you a new one, and if they don't, the scorpions, wights, and goblin smithies will.

I don't even sub thf and get 2 stacks in under 2 hours. I would sub thief, but I have this thing with having a totally ghetto sub. I can't even flee with thief subbed, so meh, I'm fine with warrior. Unless it's been changed I've never seen any insane difference between thf sub farming vs. war sub farming. It helps, but not enough for me to take a hit to my HP and overall damage. faster death = more death = more drop potential anyway!
It's not that I can't take Carnivorous Crawlers, it's that they consume a lot more time. In the time it takes to kill one Crawler (Assuming I Sneak Attacked it just fine) I've dropped 5 bees. And Crawlers link, and them linking = bad for me. I mean, if I was a monk or Warrior, a room of EP wouldn't mean much to me. But for a level 30 thief (Particularly an underequipped one), a room of Carnivorous Crawlers = Death. And they don't seem to like me anyway. I have to kill more crawlers per silk anyway, and with the speed of spawning for the bees, it just seems better. But it all comes down to preference. The real question will be Sandy or Bastok for sales. One has an alchemy guild to use for it, the other has a repeatable quest that helps for Drain. Decisions Decisions.......
My Bazaar Comment has drawn some laughs, by the way. It's a slight alteration on Brian Clevinger's "Propoganda posters for Vana' diel". It says
Stop San d'Orian Imperialism!
In Windhurst, Chocobo rides you!
Hail Mother Russia, er Bastok!
Also, DRL, when you and Arch hit 30, lets go NM hunting in Horutoto Ruins. There's one room that one of 3 NMs spawns in once an hour. Doppelganger Dio, Doppelganger some-odd, and the Bomb King. We can take any of them, and the drops off the Doppelgangers are REALLY nice. Haven't looked into the Bomb King yet, just know he's the same level. One well-timed Shoulder Tackle should keep him from Self-Destructing, so we'll be fine.

[Seijuro_Hiko_IX]

I would appreciate it, Michael, if you did not insult my intelligence. I know damn well how to do my job properly. I always come up with the skill chains, never less than two per battle. I get enough TP for that and I never let it go to waste. I've played Samurai long enough to know exactly what I'm doing.

I'm sorry you took my laughing at the TP gimp personaly, but there is no reason to get offended and strike out at me. I've played this game long enough to know what's going on. So I don't like being talked down to as if I was some noob. I didn't mean for my joke about the TP gimp to be a personal attack at you, I'm sorry you seemed to take it that way.

[Kitoshi]

Ah~ Another long day of lvling up to hit 60 for my complete AF set. Im playing none stop from the moment I wake up to the moment I go to sleep just to reach that goal! Sooo looking foward to it~ The road is long tho, still long.

Michael, today I PT'd with a 53 NIN. You have no idea how obsessed I got over that jobclass. Of course it doesn't surpass my love for being a WHM but it could possibly rank among my 3 fav classes. He was tanking like a PLD and was busting out these crazy spells. o_o So awesome~ He also blew himself up instead of using warp and I was like "cooool" XD Keep lvling the class up, im sure you'll love it when you get to the 50's.

Josh can I please have your stuff? Im a very very poor WHM ; ; please? ^^; please? >> lol I REALLY need gil and since you arnt gonna play and we're totally awesome you know~ >> werd

[Michael]

I'm sorry to seem you took my generalization of the samurai players as an attack on you, however, it wasn't. ;p

I never remaked that you couldn't play your job. I noted that you failed to realise that spamming pentathrust is not all that like everyone tries to make it out to be, and you let yourself get taken into. From your posts on this forum, I can easily formulate that you are one of the more skilled samurai players-- when you talk about your groups, and your class, you follow through with it well. However, when you complain about ws spam and dragoon tp gain, you seem to selectively forget that a dragoon has 0 group application, they hit buttons and that's it. When you join a well balanced group, and you perform as I believe you can perform given that environment, you'll run circles around me, easily. =p

Aside from that, everything I've said about samurai has been generic. Read again, you'll see I also talk down majority of the dragoon player base-- my own player base. I swear to god, all we do is click buttons, and people manage to suck at it. =p

Anyway. As for farming the crawlers, er, yeah, I wasn't thinking about the fact that 30 would be a drain fighting them. Nevermind, heh. I vaguely remember decided I was going to skill up farm them with warrior using axe when I thought I should give BST a shot. After that failed BST faded, haha.

Dispel = 50% of your job. Haha. I'd say 50% of your job is Dispel, 50% of your job is Refresh. Beyond that, no one really cares what you do. =p

Ninja is fun and all, but the game in general has lost it's splendor. I tried to blame it on dragoon, but the more time passes, I'm realising it's the game in general (one can only kill so many crabs, beetles, and crawlers before they want to slit their wrists). It also doesn't help I'm insanely psyched about EQ2 now, and WOW looks sort of promising too. WOW will probably release sooner, and depending on how EQ2's beta ends up playing out (if I'm selected or not before WOW releases ;p) then I'll probably mess in WOW until EQ2 and see what happens.

[RPGuru1331]

Dood! I made 35k off of Zegham hill today! I know it's nothing to you higher levels, but to me, that's a lot! Plus the stack of Lizard Skins I had on sale I made 42.5k! I'm posting while I wait for stuff to sell. Now I must track down someone with a Mercenary Captain's Headgear that they don't need! There aren't ANY for sale in any of the 4 AHs! The Headgear was the most important part to me, of that which I didn't have! I have the Doublet and Belt so far, and I want the Headgear then the Leggings. I'm keeping my RSE for when I'm farming, but the M. Captain's gear is better in a party, legs over loincloth excepted. I checked my bonuses at the moment, and it's like +3 Str, +7 Dex, +2 Agi, +1 Int. Really nice, from where I'm sitting. But then, I'm no higher level.

[Fury]

I've changed my mind again about what I'm going to be...

I've decided to go the job I have wanted to be before I even started playing this game... a Summoner :)

Now the only problem is my character is an Elvaan and they arent that great at using magic... so I'm thinking of starting a new character again as a magic user, maybe a Taru, and keeping my Elvaan for when I want to get my warrior up.

[Aelice]

I've met PLENTY of great Elvaan mages! :) The scary thing is that the best Black Mage I know is an Elvaan. Astral rings really assist Elvaans as MP users, if you can afford them.

[Fury]

Now I'm confused again... :P I dont know if I want to keep going with my Elvaan and change his job to WHM then SMN/WHM later on or if I want to start a Tarutaru WHM.

[RPGuru1331]

If it makes you feel better, my dream of a Ninja/Thief was crushed by the cruel mistress of reality.

[Hitokiri Kuratosu]

I haven't been doing much of anything in the game lately. But I did party with some people the other day and got some a nice amount of exp. I should probably do it more often, but I find myself soloing more often than not.

I saw a ton of people all dead by the outpost in Ronfaure (all around lvl 30). I have no idea what killed them but the scene was pretty eerie. >.>

What would be a good subjob for me to take a little later on? My main job would be monk.

[RPGuru1331]

I haven't been doing much of anything in the game lately. But I did party with some people the other day and got some a nice amount of exp. I should probably do it more often, but I find myself soloing more often than not.

I saw a ton of people all dead by the outpost in Ronfaure (all around lvl 30). I have no idea what killed them but the scene was pretty eerie. >.>

What would be a good subjob for me to take a little later on? My main job would be monk.
Oh, hey, I know this answer. They tried to do a garrison mission and failed miserably. Or at least, probably failed miserably. Probably waiting on Raises from LS members. Nothing else in Ronfaure could kill them, and them being by the Outpost is further proof, since they must be done at the Outpost.
ONE TRUTH PREVAILS!

[Hitokiri Kuratosu]

Haha, well, you must be right. It's true that nothing out in that area could kill them, which is what baffled me. A couple mages came by and gave them all a raise a while later.

[Fury]

I think I might just create a new character anyway just so I can get a new name... I'd prefer to have 'Fury' in my name even if it has to be Furyzero again. Its not that I dont like the name 'Vurien' its just that I'd rather have a name that I came up with instead of using the name generator.

I'll definatly be going a WHM and then changing to SMN/WHM at lvl 30.

I cant really decide what race to go now though..

[Kitoshi]

Michael if you leave, can I have all your stuff?

[Aelice]

Michael if you leave, can I have all your stuff?

No, I've know him longer :P So we have to split it. To be fair.

Really, I'd rather have Michael stay than take his stuff. :( Seeing him give his stuff away would be like.. he ISNT coming back.

*bawls*

He's the reason I began playing, after seeing his screenshots.

I LOVE YOOOOUUUUUUU.

[Fury]

I've decided to just go a Hume again because its just better for when I decide to change what job I want to be again and I know within a few days I will of changed my mind about which job again :P

I think I'll just name him Furyzero again aswell... that name isnt so bad is it?

[Kitoshi]

No, I've know him longer :P So we have to split it. To be fair.

Really, I'd rather have Michael stay than take his stuff. :( Seeing him give his stuff away would be like.. he ISNT coming back.

*bawls*

He's the reason I began playing, after seeing his screenshots.

I LOVE YOOOOUUUUUUU.

We COULD do that but no, Ill take the stuff thank you. =P

Yeah it would suck if he left. >> Cause... I want his stuff... I mean cause it would. >>

[Michael]

Haha, no one gets my stuff. I have tendancies to randomly log into old mmo's a few months down the road to mess around and say hi and stuff. It's no fun if all I have is my ex stuff. ;p

But there's at least like 450,000 worth of stuff you could sell if you could pry it from me, haha.

[Aelice]

Haha, no one gets my stuff. I have tendancies to randomly log into old mmo's a few months down the road to mess around and say hi and stuff. It's no fun if all I have is my ex stuff. ;p

But there's at least like 450,000 worth of stuff you could sell if you could pry it from me, haha.

:P Can I beg 250k off of you? I'll draw for you! >_>; Or I'll pimp out my cute neighbor! I'll keep your wyvern fed, watered, and walked while you're away. XD

I'd ask for 450, but I'm not -that- greedy XD And Monster Signa isn't -really- needed, though I am fishing to save up money for it just as a side thing. Even though I know I dont need it, it just looks SO damn cool. :p The way you wanted your DRG for his sexy armor, yo. I wanted to be Bard for the poofy sleeves and the Monster Signa. ^^

You know what? :) You should help me do the DRG quest before you leave. ^^ I haven't unlocked that job yet, and it would be fun to have a little adventure with you in full DRG armor so I can drool over you.

[Michael]

Get all the annoying stuff done (ie running sandy > shakhrami > sandy > meriphataud > sandy and sure, I'll kill the dragon for you. Killing the dragon is always fun.

Lemme know when you finish that stuff and I'll log in. ;p

[Aelice]

Get all the annoying stuff done (ie running sandy > shakhrami > sandy > meriphataud > sandy and sure, I'll kill the dragon for you. Killing the dragon is always fun.

Lemme know when you finish that stuff and I'll log in. ;p

Thanks so much! ^^ I'll give you a poke.

[Kitoshi]

:shakes fist: Those 450k shall me fine! I need about... 700k to buy everything I want. :x

[RPGuru1331]

:shakes fist: Those 450k shall me fine! I need about... 700k to buy everything I want. :x
I did the math, and to have THE best stuff for my level (Except Nomad's Mantle instead of Nomad's Mantle +1) would cost 800k lol
This includes Leaping Boots, the Rabbit Charm (For when I solo) and the Emperor's Hairpin. It also includes the miscellaneous supplies I'll need to go get my RSE (I don't care about the stats too much. I just want it to say "I got my RSE") and the Tonko: Ichi and Utsusemi: Ichi spells. I could probably add another 10k for a couple of Shihei stacks to get me started on Ninja.
Any idea how much Shihei a Ninja runs through every hour when Blink-Tanking? I want to get Ninja up to 20 so I won't have to worry about it for a long while.
I also intend to keep a stack of Shinobi Tabi on me at all times. Hiko tells me it's great fun scaring noobs by saying "Boo" when you pop out of invis. And it'd let me run through Valkurm unafraid of aggro.
Also, since I had a near complete set of M. Captain's Gear (Need the Gloves, but Legionairre's Mittens add 3 attack so I figured it'd be fine) I figured "Hey, why not go exping?" First time in a week. It was also with a Ninja, so my SANTA was a lot more necessary then normal. After I made a SANTA: Wasp Sting macro, our skill chains + Magic Burst was doing rediculous damage. But seeing how hard Magic Burst is to time, I don't wanna be a Black Mage anymore.

[Hitokiri Kuratosu]

lol Everyone's harvesting Michael like gold diggers! XD

Besides some money should be donated to the truly needy (Read: Me). ;p

[Mercenary]

I am really getting my patience tested, I absolutely hate waiting for trying to find a party. I finally get enough money to buy dispel so I can go to crawler's nest, and no luck ever getting a party. I sometimes think itd be best to be WhiteMage just for the sake of getting parties easier, even if I dislike the job. Thats the problem with making a game so Party-Needed, having to wait 2hrs just to get in a party is not my idea of a good time.

Sigh, my first day after signing back up went great, found a party within moments of looking. It'd be nice if it were always like that. But I suppose you have to endure the downsides of a game to enjoy the upsides. -_-;

*End of vent*

[Seijuro_Hiko_IX]

Thats the other reason, next to AF quests, that I'm not excited about playing the game anymore. I wonder if I'll ever get back into it...

[RPGuru1331]

Red Mages wait for groups? I thought only meleers really had to wait. Anyhoo Kyo, peple form perma-parties at your level. That might help.
Also, I thought I had the fame for Utsusemi (I've been told that 155 Riceball price was enough fame for a low Cha. race.) But I didn't. I did the Tonko quest to make me feel better, but that didn't add enough fame either. If I was a fisher, I'd start fishing up Rusty Subligars/Leggings, because that seems easier then farming the gil for the Zinc. Then again, I think I only need about 7 more Zinc Runs for the fame, so I'm thinking of farming that up. I'm waiting till later though. Belle from my LS promised me and someone else she'd help me do the SAM quest in a few hours.

[Michael]

He's not redmage love level yet. He needs 41. =p

And uh, so I actually played today. Went from ~4000 from 38 to ~3000 into 38.

As for shihei, I used near about two and a half stacks at least in that 7000xp. =p But I'm also able to alternate spam between the two so I use twice as much. I can't give accurate estimates of shihei use before 37ish. Before the jungles most groups I joined had a paladin they prefered to tank (ninja is really hard to hold agro with without a trick or the Ni line, pretty much guaranteed to be interrupted given a 4s cast time on ichi line). Then in the jungles I people realised blink tanking is waaay too hard, especially considering no Utsusemi: Ni yet (wow, three shadows, mandras hit twice per round every time, and fairly fast attack, even when I did tank, I didn't make it a point to keep utsu up at all times, it's just a waste). So uh, yeah, I pretty much got free rides to 37. =p

To have the best stuff for ninja I need over a million on top of what I already have. =/ Emperor's Hairpin, Leaping Boots wouldn't hurt, enmity rings, Ochiudo's Kote. That's just a start too, there are other things that would help me out, like Jujitsu Gi, but meh, screw it.

[RPGuru1331]

I'm just taking it to 20 for now, so I don't need to worry about the jungles until/unless I EVER hit Thief Uber. I'm just trying to remember how much to take with me when I'm exping. I intend to use Monk as a farming sub, because with Ninja I'd be spending too much to make money.

[Michael]

whm is a better farming sub for a primary thf! =p

[RPGuru1331]

To level WHM up to a proper level, I must party. And I don't want to be responsible for others that much.

[Michael]

Haha, for me it was the opposite. I didn't want to leave myself in the hands of others as a whm. I got to 14 and wanted to smash every single person within my level range's head on a rock.

[Fury]

I created a new character again yesterday...

Its a Hume Male named Furyzero just like my first character but this time I picked Face 4 instead of face 2 and I'm from Bastok. I'm a WHM... My old character had WHM at level 9 and BLM at 20 so I sort of regret deleting my original character now because I'll be leveling up BLM as a sub for WHM after I get to 18. I geuss its not too bad though because I like my new guys face a lot more than the old one and I like bastok more than windurst.

I'll be trying to get to level 18 as quick as possible now to make up for everything I lost from deleting the original Furyzero.

And..... here are 2 screen shots comparing both my Furyzeros.. I think this new one is the only face that doesnt look so mad all the time like the first pic :P

OLD CHARACTER (http://members.optusnet.com.au/fury878/Fur040501205017a.jpg)

NEW CHARACTER (http://members.optusnet.com.au/fury878/Fur040604212503a.jpg)

[RPGuru1331]

I thought I had the fame for Utsusemi, but apparently not. I made a supply run to Elshimo Lowlands, so now I can teleport to the outpost in Yuhtunga. I know the route to Norg from there, so I'm getting my fame for Utsusemi, warping to Yuhtunga, and then casting Tonko: Ichi and walking past the Gobs and the like to Sea Serpent's Grotto, then using Silent Oils to get to Norg. I figure 6 more Zinc Runs and finishing the Samurai Quest (Did the rest) should get me from 155 Riceball Price to 152.

[Kitoshi]

Rdms are ignored till 41. >>

[RPGuru1331]

Rdms are ignored till 41. >>
No, not entirely. I hear "Fine, let's get the RDM instead" a lot about RDMs when they hit the level that gives them the current Cure spell. I think it's sad though. A class that gets ignored more then Thieves pre-15.

[Mercenary]

People just don't appreciate our universality.
If we are in a good party there is so dang much we can do.
Backup healing is always good to give whm a rest, enchant spell + attack gives a little help damage, enfeebling can be very helpful when you use all the spells, magic bursting when no black mages are present.
If I weren't a Rdm, I'd always want one in my party.

Since I couldnt find a party I just farmed, at least I can buy Stoneskin now. I should finish my RSE and sell back the RSE I bought to make some extra cash.

I may level up blackmage to 20 so I wont have to level again until I hit 42 on redmage. I also should start the Ninja quest, since it is the only one I haven't unlocked, and is the one I'd probably most use.

[Michael]

Well, too many people just decide "haha, debuffs, who needs those, lets just go crazy with damage!" So groups would prefer a pure whm for much more solid healing, or a black mage for much more solid nuking. I would prefer people debuffing more though. It sucks when I as a ninja have to be the one to blind things-- with ichi. I don't get Kurayami: Ni until 44. ><

[Fury]

Since I couldnt find a party I just farmed, at least I can buy Stoneskin now. I should finish my RSE and sell back the RSE I bought to make some extra cash.
I've been wondering this for a while now, whats RSE?

[RPGuru1331]

RSE = Race Specific Equipment
There are two sets: A high level one(70), and a low level (30) set.
They add points to stats that race is weak in, such as Elvaan RSE adding to MP, Int, and Dex. It has better defensive power then Mage gear, and is difficult to get. To get it the right way, you need som Jeuno fame. Go to the Gobby store and talk to Guttrix, I think. He'll tell you about the RSE. Every week, a different Race/gender can get their RSE. For instance, it might be Hume male week, so only Hume males can get their RSE. The quest itself is to open a chest in a specific dungeon on your week (Guttrix will tell you which dungeon). This gear is 29-33 for the primary set you can get. It can be solod by 35-40s (Who can solo the mobs who drop the keys), or by a lvl ~30 Thief with Silent Oils and a set of Thieves Tools. If you're much lower, you'll probably need a Living Key. I have the tools, and I'm gonna get it after I get Utsusemi. I don't know if I'll use any of it (Merc. Captain's gear is better for a Mithra Thief), but I want it to say that I have it, and got it myself. I got bored after a while of soloing Ninja on Zegham Hill. Sales have slowed this week, as either my Beehive chips haven't sold or the market price has fallen *Shudder*. Anyway, I've actually been getting Zinc for free from the Stone Eaters (Why they drop it when I'm a Ninja and not a Thief is beyond me), so that helps. Currently need: 22 more Zinc Ore. My Katana for Samurai is ready, I just need to go get it.

[Fury]

Is it wierd that I already want to start a new character :P

I've been a Hume and thought it wasnt too bad

I've been an Elvaan and well I didnt really like it

I've been a Taru for around 10 minutes but I want a job that can actually be a Melee job later on

I've been another Hume that I dont like as much as my first one

Now I really want to try out being a Mithra.

[RPGuru1331]

If you ever plan on being a White Mage for a career choice, or Beastmaster, or Bard, Mithra is not a good job for you. It does fine in just about every other job, but those 3, we stink at.

[Fury]

What about Summoner? Thats the main job I want to go when I get to level 30. I've been reading about Mithras and they seem very similar to Humes when it comes to magic so they cant be very bad at WHMs can they?

[Michael]

Honestly, you can make any race perform as any job. It's just a matter of what you want to do. I've seen awesome high level galka mages (even smn), even some elvaan smn. Just do whatever you want to do. =p

And er, I thought you couldn't pick the chests for RSE, you had to use a key. At least, that was the general consensus back when I did all my RSE, and I don't know anyone who risked otherwise, thieves I know always got their keys. Meh, I've just never known anyone to risk it, it might work, I've just always been told no. =p

Made 39, but it's real life party time. Need to do AF1 soon, booo. At least I'll get some new weapons until 46 though. Even if they don't proc that often, I detinitely want me some defense down katana.

[RPGuru1331]

Honestly, you can make any race perform as any job. It's just a matter of what you want to do. I've seen awesome high level galka mages (even smn), even some elvaan smn. Just do whatever you want to do. =p

And er, I thought you couldn't pick the chests for RSE, you had to use a key. At least, that was the general consensus back when I did all my RSE, and I don't know anyone who risked otherwise, thieves I know always got their keys. Meh, I've just never known anyone to risk it, it might work, I've just always been told no. =p

Made 39, but it's real life party time. Need to do AF1 soon, booo. At least I'll get some new weapons until 46 though. Even if they don't proc that often, I detinitely want me some defense down katana.
Yeah, Thieves can pick their RSE locks. And with the lowest of the tools, the Thieves Tools.

[Fury]

I'll definatly be going a Mithra now.. I'll probably pick face 6B or 8A i'm not really sure which one yet..

I hate thinking of names.. does Furyzero just sound ok for a Mithra like I had for my Humes?

[Aelice]

Furyzero.. my brother says it's too masculine. If you want, I can help you with androgynous names? I can gather some and send you a PM later.

[Fury]

Yeah that would be great, thanks :)

[cyber assassin]

Is it wierd that I already want to start a new character :P

I've been a Hume and thought it wasnt too bad

I've been an Elvaan and well I didnt really like it

I've been a Taru for around 10 minutes but I want a job that can actually be a Melee job later on

I've been another Hume that I dont like as much as my first one

Now I really want to try out being a Mithra.


well tarus actualy can be a melle job later mysister has a lvl 60 drk taru but then again maybe tarus just arnt your thing

[Aelice]

Elvaans are awesome. :| But I couldn't play as one, they're Dhamel-height. Hume size is perfect.. ^^

[Fury]

well tarus actualy can be a melle job later mysister has a lvl 60 drk taru but then again maybe tarus just arnt your thing
Yeah thats probably it, I just dont really want to be a Taru.

Elvaans are awesome. :| But I couldn't play as one, they're Dhamel-height. Hume size is perfect.. ^^
I'm going to make my Mithra Small in size.. I'm going to look tiny next to the Elvaans and even small next to the Humes, at least I'll be bigger than one race though :P

[Seijuro_Hiko_IX]

Mithra are awesome. I wish I had just bit the bullet and picked one. I was torn when I started. I wanted to be a Mithra, but I didn't want everyone to think I was a girl and have guys hit on me all the time. And I normally model my characters in games where you make a generic character as close to myself as the game allows, and I'm not exactly an extremely sexy catgirl.

[Aelice]

Names sent.

I WISH THERE WERE MALE MITHRA. :(

Not fair that the best magic users are midgets, either.

Darn it all.

[Michael]

Technically there are male mithra. They're just few in number, and generally considered sacred and protected seeing as no males = no procreation. =p

I'm not a fan of mithra though. Furries are just one of those lines I will never cross.

People hit on the alt I leveled for awhile too much. I had the overly popular blonde ponytail face named Miyuki. She was going to be ranger since I refuse to elvaan ranger. People hit on her all the time-- until about the second or third pass, then I just outright told them "..I have a penis." That usually shut them up pretty quickly. Haha.

[Aelice]

.. You know what I mean, Michael XD Not fair that the Mithra keeps their men locked up. I wanna play with them. ;)

XD I'm one of the less-known female that play a male avatar. Even Michael forgot. ;) That was fun.

Kanzen: (silence)
Rinlocke: OMG! You're so sexy!
Kanzen: I forgot you played a guy. O_o This is going to look homoerotic.

[Michael]

The homoerotic part was me handing you the red rose you requested. =p

[Aelice]

The homoerotic part was me handing you the red rose you requested. =p
XD You're such a sweetheart! <3 Man, you'd better stay on Odin until you get Ninja AF. *___* *drools*

[Fury]

I am now a Mithra named Andelos, thanks for the names Aelice ^^

I'll be getting my WHM up to 18
BLM up to 15
WHM up to 30
and then I'll become a Summoner :)

[RFFC guy]

is it worth getting the lvl 9 ninja skill ? it costs 30k on my server -_-; and then some for the tools !

[Kuroneko2]

The horrors of partying... (http://www.vgcats.com/vgc_comics/?strip_id=113)
Tetra Master on crack... (http://www.vgcats.com/vgc_comics/?strip_id=101)
"Will Dance 4 Gill" (http://www.vgcats.com/vgc_comics/?strip_id=99)

^ Web comics relating to XI.

[Aelice]

The horrors of partying... (http://www.vgcats.com/vgc_comics/?strip_id=113)
Tetra Master on crack... (http://www.vgcats.com/vgc_comics/?strip_id=101)
"Will Dance 4 Gill" (http://www.vgcats.com/vgc_comics/?strip_id=99)

^ Web comics relating to XI.

I met the artist on Odin. ^^ He is REALLY nice.

[Kuroneko2]

I met the artist on Odin. ^^ He is REALLY nice.

Bah. Lucky. I love VG Cats.

Kentucky Firaga Chocobo (http://www.vgcats.com/vgc_comics/?strip_id=114)

Sure VG Cats can be stupid but when it's funny it's funny. ^^;

[RPGuru1331]

Mithra are awesome. I wish I had just bit the bullet and picked one. I was torn when I started. I wanted to be a Mithra, but I didn't want everyone to think I was a girl and have guys hit on me all the time. And I normally model my characters in games where you make a generic character as close to myself as the game allows, and I'm not exactly an extremely sexy catgirl.
Dood, you're not the one getting hit on. I can tell you now that but for the stat boosts, there's no way you could pay me enough to be a Mithra. Well, you probably could, but it wouldn't be cheap.
Names sent.

I WISH THERE WERE MALE MITHRA.

Not fair that the best magic users are midgets, either.

Darn it all.
I also think Mithra should've been given the option of being male. But it was made in Japan, and the Japanese need fanservice.

[Michael]

Yes, Tonko is worth it. It's invis. I use it very often. Well, I have Tonko: Ni now, which is even more useful, because it only takes 1m30s to cast. But I used Tonko: Ichi for coffer hunting AF on Dragoon in Ifrit's Cauldron (drg/nin! haha).

I keep getting urges to level thief just to make money. I could take it to around 50 and just hunt coffers in predominantly sight aggro locales. Namely Oztroja. I'd like to level red mage to 21 because that would give me access to Sneak spell (as opposed to having to buy oils when I go places), and Regen. Red mage should be much more tolerable to get to 21 than whm, but whm would definitely be the better choice. Either way, my ninja can still solo low toughs easy with warrior sub, I need some healing so I can do it more efficiently.

I'm not going to allow myself to level either though, I need to focus on just ninja, so I can catch up with my friend and we can supah level to 60. He's a mnk, so holding aggro will be...fun, but it will rule.

[RPGuru1331]

I forgot to mention that I got Utsusemi and Samurai yesterday. Gilgamesh looks bad-***.
The story of Utsusemi: Ichi for me:
Alright, I went to Norg with Riceball price at 152 (155 didn't work). The only thought on my mind was "Ye Gods, if that's not enough fame, I'm killing Squenix staff". Well, I got the quest and reset my bind point in case I died. I chocod out of Norg to get back to the entrance of Sea Serpent's Grotto. I followed my directions, but somewhere in there I panicked because of the large number of Sahagins. I found a corner with a few crabs and a Pugil in it, and clicked off Sneak (I was using the oils) because I figured "Hey, they're crabs/pugils. Those NEVER aggro." Lo and behold, they all aggro, and summarily execute me. This results in a whine on my LS "SINCE WHEN DO CRABS AGGRO!?!?!?!?!?" followed by several laughs at my expense. I respawn at Norg, and choco back out again (Silent Oil Count: 4) Well, somewhere in there, I messed up my directions and started panicking. It turns out that one of the drop-offs I took put me back where I was earlier, before the door that requires the Silver Beastcoin. Fortunately, it doesn't actually consume a Silver Beastcoin to open the door, so I reused mine, got in, and followed my directions to the T. On my last Silent Oil, I found the Treasure room, with a Sea Bronz hovering over the ??? and Sneak wearing off. I put my finger on my Perfect Dodge Macro and walked as close as I could and touched the ???, saw the cutscene, then clicked off Sneak, tried to steal from the Sea Bronz, and died. It was funny, actually. I blocked one of the attacks with my shield, so it took 4 attacks to kill me lol

[Seijuro_Hiko_IX]

Mithra are not furries.... <_<

To be classified as a "furry" you kinda need to have, you know... FUR. Mithra do not have any fur. They have hair and skin just like Hume and Elvaan. Just because they have cat ears and a tail doesn't mean they are a furry. I can't stand furries, its weird. No offense to anyone who likes furries.

Krystal from Star Fox Adentures would be classified as a furry. Mithra are catgirls. Catgirls are not furries.

[Aelice]

They are furries, no matter how much you deny it. O_O So are Galka and Tarutaru. Though Mithra and Tarutaru have finer fur, they DO have it. :P

[Fury]

The first few levels are so boring after doing them so many times as mages <_<

I'll be happy to get to level 10 and start getting good exp in groups, at least as a WHM I wont have trouble finding a PT ^^

[Seijuro_Hiko_IX]

Not furries!! *stomps*

[Kuroneko2]

Dood, you're not the one getting hit on. I can tell you now that but for the stat boosts, there's no way you could pay me enough to be a Mithra. Well, you probably could, but it wouldn't be cheap.

I also think Mithra should've been given the option of being male. But it was made in Japan, and the Japanese need fanservice.

It's fun to be on a party, and, while resting, have one of the guys hit on you. Sometimes, after you tell him your male, everyone in the party keeps their distance... Reminds me of Bridget's (from Guilty Gear X-2) third story mode ending...:P

And the Mithra seem to be like Amazons or something. That and they remind of the Garudo in Zelda. There are few Males so Males going out and adventuring would make no sense. Males die. Mithra die. And the sane Mithra want the Mithran race to continue to exsist.

Mithra are not furries.... <_<

To be classified as a "furry" you kinda need to have, you know... FUR. Mithra do not have any fur. They have hair and skin just like Hume and Elvaan. Just because they have cat ears and a tail doesn't mean they are a furry. I can't stand furries, its weird. No offense to anyone who likes furries.

Krystal from Star Fox Adentures would be classified as a furry. Mithra are catgirls. Catgirls are not furries.

Why do people like furries anyway? o_O Especially the ai, shounen, and shoujo-ai. >_< It's like seeing two squirrels getting it on, they're just bigger! >.<

And Taru really aren't furries, they're basically cute human midgets. o.O

[Michael]

Yes, mithra are fuzzy. Look at the mithra chidlren. They have lion-esque puffballs on their tails. I think it's pretty safe to say that feature isn't limited to the tip of their tails, and that they are indeed covered by a fine coat of fur. Regardless, being sexually attracted to anything other than a human being is just creepy. Elvaan are pushing it enough, at least they aren't kin to animals. Just as a heads up-- cats have really coarse tongues. Enjoy.

I made 41. But not much more than that. Grouping was interesting, at first we didn't have a thief, so we couldn't trick onto me so I was forced to try and hold hate without even my Ni's yet. By the time I made 40 we'd gotten a thf, so things were going better. Near leveling to 41 we'd changed the entire line up except for the drg/thf and myself. We went from nin/war drg/thf sam/thf drk/war rdm/whm rdm/whm to nin/war drg/thf thf/war whm/blm smn/whm (only five of us), The second thf/war didn't like that we didn't have a second provoke, and tried to convince me to provoke first so she could trick onto the dragoon saying "I can just swing around and trick back onto you it'll be fine!!11" ...yeah, that's a great idea, pull the hate AWAY from the tank at the start of the fight. So uh, I just refused to go through with this and it worked itself out because the dragoon was sneak attacking at the start of every fight anyway. I just didn't attack at all until trick had landed on me to ensure hate was more stable. After the trick I could hold it quite well, even through the drg/thf sneak double thrusting and the thf's s/t. A s/t would pull hate, but I could normally get it back. Normally I do Kurayami: Ichi right after I provoke, that gets a bunch of hate and if it lands blinds so my blinks do better. Then after I put up my second Utsusemi: Ni I would toss a Huton: Ni at it (damage wasn't consistant, annoying, anywhere from 8 to 90 damage ><). Was pretty easy to hold hate after doing all that. After the group I went and bought all the Ni nukes except Hyoton and Suiton. 50,000 and 30,000 respectively-- no thanks I'll do without them for a bit. Most common nukes tend to be ice, fire would be a nice debuff to have, but not for 50,000 on top of the tools. Eventually I'll farm for stuff like that.

Gotta do my ninja AF1 now, I can probably duo it with another 60 given I can just take my DRG there. I wish it weren't two NM spiders, otherwise I could probably solo it easy.

[RPGuru1331]

Question: Am I expected to debuff? I bought 5 stacks of Shihei, because I knew I'd need that (Bear in mind, if I'm subbing it for Utsusemi on my pulls, I'll be using it past just Ninja), but should I get the other Ninja tools? I don' know how much we're expected to use Elemental Jutsu.

[Michael]

It won't matter if you're subbing ninja. The Ichi's are crap. They don't do anything at all. I don't use them so much for debuff as much as nuking for more hate. I've done up to 90 damage on one, and I need all the hate I can get. I was lucky the party ended with a drg/thf as the other melee. Right now I'm actually carrying 15 stacks of ninja tools. Half of which are shihei, but I also have tonko, kurayami, doton, raiton, and huton tools. Now that I have all but two of my nukes I plan on casting two different ones per fight. What I'll probably do is alternate huton and raiton, cast doton if have to (6800 per stack ><). The 1.5s cast time makes a HUGE difference, so I didn't even bother nuking before, even though I did have them all. Depressing to know that I almost have all of my Ninjutsu, since they haven't put the san line in yet.

[RPGuru1331]

Well, I'm asking for those tricky levels where I'm going to be a Main Ninja. Sub's gotta get up somehow. But more hate = good. If memory serves, most of the mobs fought in Valkurm are Lightning, Fire, Water, and Wind based..... BLMs are doing the most on Snips, which are water based, so I need the jutsu that adds to Ice weakness. Katon, if I'm not mistaken. I think I'll also use the one that increases water weakness the most, as God knows Gobs are pests. I'm going to have all the jutsu though.
Edit: They haven't put the San line in yet? WTD!?!?!?!?

[Fury]

Could someone explain to me what the AF2 armour is? I found this thread on another board that had pics comparing AF and AF2 armour. Is there going to be an update to the armour soon or is AF2 just for higher levels than the normal AF armour? I know that it hasnt been changed to the other armour because I still see people with the armour from the bottom row of that pic.

PIC COMPARING ARMOUR (http://www.shadow-dragons.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=93131)

[RPGuru1331]

AF2 is your Relic gear. It's the uber level stuff for level 75s.
It's your AF on crack, basically.

[Michael]

(can't sleep grar)
Don't get confused with AF2, though. There are two AF2s, technically. There's your relic gear, which is sometimes refered to as AF2, because it's the second set of your artifact gear with minor changes-- then there's the second quest for your first set.

AF1 = weapon (40)
AF2 = first quested armor (50+)
AF3 = second quested armor (50+)
AF4 = gloves (50+)

Ninja Relic/AF2 is awesome. I doubt I'll be making 75 and doing dynamis raids on a regluar basis to get any of it before WoW/EQ2 though. =p

As for ninjutsu-- Honestly, you won't be expected to keep stuff like that going, even when leveling ninja for your sub. The Ni elementals aren't until 40, the only Ni's you'll see if you only level ninja as a sub are Tonko and Utsusemi. You'll understand why when you do start trying to tank as a ninja. Huton lower ice resistance. While I understand what you're thinking, it doesn't necessarily work that way. Crabs are already weak to ice, so you don't need to lower any ice resistance. Instead, figure that Blizzard is Level 17. So until your black mage reaches 17, they will be using fire. A crab isn't weak to fire, so the crab has a chance to partially or completely resist it. That's where a ninja would help, he'd have a much harder time resisting a fire spell with his fire resist down. Anyway, you'll understand why you won't be expected to debuff the mobs when you start playing ninja. With a 4 second cast time, you'll be spending more time trying to keep your only utsusemi up as much as possible rather than casting other ninjutsu. 4s can be two or three of my shadows, every now and then casting kurayami at the start of the fight can jeapordize my utsu timing. =/ I recommend having at least one of the elementals (I'd go with the cheapest toolset), that will at least help you raise your skill, because more than likely your ninjutsu skill is going to suck when you first start. I'm still only ~101, when it could be around 125-- should catch up real fast with all my ni's now, though. My first cast of Huton: Ni gave me 0.5 skill up. It seems with higher skill you have a higher chance of maintaining your concentration through getting hit, and it might help my Ni nuke damage, we'll find out as it gets higher. Basically what happens before the Ni elementals is if someone gets hate, you have utsu up already (or are waiting on recast) and provoke isn't available, you hit an ichi elemental for very small boost in hate.

Goblins are weak to fire and light. I thought their crystal element determined their innate element once too, but it turns out they's no real relation.

katon +fire-water; suiton +water-lightning; raiton +lightning-earth; doton +earth-wind; huton +wind-ice; hyoton +ice-fire

[edit] I tried soloing my AF1 with dragoon, but I messed up the start of the fight. I might actually have been able to do it if I did it correctly. I wasn't really thinking clearly (tired as crap but couldn't sleep), and I Super Jumped later than I should have, and didn't want to switch targets after having done so. Heck, I didn't even call wyvern until after starting the fight with the spiders, I was that out of it. =p What I should have done was had wyvern up before I started, then click ??? and attack one of the spiders, immediately Super Jump after wyvern's first attack. That would make my wyvern tank the extra spider while I was free to kill the other. That probably would have gotten the match much closer than it ended, maybe even give me what I needed to win. My second mistake was getting the bright idea to try and Penta instead of Skewer. One hit penta. On level 40 mobs. ~350 damage. =/ I used warp scroll and got out at 130hp. One spider dead, the other about 75% health. I had full TP when I warped, but I didn't want to risk giving the spider enough TP to Sickle Slash me. A LS whm logged on right before I originally went, and I told them to wait for me to try and solo, since that failed we went right back and pwnt them easily. Skewered each once for 800+ dmg each.

Again, Penta Thrust sucks. =p

[RPGuru1331]

Oh, see, I was thinking "Hm, if they're already weak to it, it must increase this weakness". But, if that's the case, I better stick to not using it, mostly. But, If I have Utsu up before the fight starts and Ichi it as it approaches, that might work. I think I'll focus on the Hutons though, because I can make the Tsurara for it. I think that Tsurara's not too expensive, but it's probably cheaper to make it myself. Especially since I have a few stacks of Rock Salt on my mule I held onto for that purpose.

[Michael]

Tsurara=hyoton. It's cheap stuff, and I'd love to use hyoton or suiton since they're cheaper than katon and doton to use as a third nuke, but I refuse to pay another 80k in scrolls I'll never see the money for again. So yeah, those are waiting until my 50s when I can key alliance and I'll just jump at every chance to hit Oztroja.

Ninjutsu has terrible range, but yeah you could cast while it's coming in, that's what I do with kurayami after I provoke. Still, heh, it's a bit of cash to spend on 3 damage. I justified it as skillups, but I think I only used like three stacks of elemental tools before 40. I focused more on blind. Keep your evasion as high as possible and keep mobs blinded once you get kurayami, best advice I can give you when you're tanking.

[!n|=3c+iOn]

i haven't posted anything new about my characters in awhile...

i finally got my bst to 40 last night...

its been a long time since i first started as bst...

but i feel it was worth it...

going for af 1 today...

thats about it ^^

[Seijuro_Hiko_IX]

Ok.

THIS is a furry:
Example of a furry (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ngc/gsaj/top/krystal.jpg)

Note the obvious destinguishing characteristics such as animal like features on the head and face, plus the FUR.

This is not a furry:
Example of a Mithra, which happens to not be a furry. (http://www.secondsight.net/image/mithra.jpg)

Mithra are just people with cat ears and a tail. (I'm not a weirdo! *stomps*)

[Michael]

I'll stick to humes, thanks. The last thing I'd want to hear during sex is purring followed by "hang on, let me move my tail."

[Seijuro_Hiko_IX]

It's not as if I don't like the Humes either. (not a big fan of the Elvaan women, though.) But I think that purring would be kinda hot...

[Michael]

Elvaan sex is strictly forbidden as well. Jesus, they could wrap their arms around eachother like six times and still have arm room.

[Seijuro_Hiko_IX]

Thats for sure. Those gorrilla arms are kinda freaky, and their extra long necks are kinda odd as well. I'm the tallest Hume size, and the shortest Elvaan female is the exact same height as me. Thats kinda intimidating as well as scary.

[Aelice]

Elvaan sex is strictly forbidden as well. Jesus, they could wrap their arms around eachother like six times and still have arm room.

That is why I like them. ^^ More flesh to enjoooy. XD And you'd better like Humes! *waves a fist*

MITHRAN ARE FURRIES! GET OVER IT! YOU'RE A PERVY FURRY FANCIER!

[RPGuru1331]

Short version long: If I can't see the fur, they're not a furry.
Puss n' Boots is furry. Mithra are not.

[Michael]

Oh snap, haha.

[Aelice]

Short version long: If I can't see the fur, they're not a furry.
Puss n' Boots is furry. Mithra are not.

You really think they would waste memory digitally rendering the fur? That's IT. :P I saw we email PlayOnline and ask them to settle this. But I know I'm write. ;) Galka are furries. Mithra are furries. Tarutaru are furries. Humes and Elvaans have hair, but NOT fur! *___* How do you tell? LOOK at the Mithran noses. ANIMAL/CAT noses. They are animal/humans. FURRIES.

Puss n' Boots is a CAT! He cant be a furry. The way Donkey isn't a furry.

[Hitokiri Kuratosu]

*busts out laughing* This topic is so amusing. XD

I'm still inclined to say furry... But does it really matter if they really are or aren't? =p

[RPGuru1331]

You really think they would waste memory digitally rendering the fur? That's IT. :P I saw we email PlayOnline and ask them to settle this. But I know I'm write. ;) Galka are furries. Mithra are furries. Tarutaru are furries. Humes and Elvaans have hair, but NOT fur! *___* How do you tell? LOOK at the Mithran noses. ANIMAL/CAT noses. They are animal/humans. FURRIES.

Puss n' Boots is a CAT! He cant be a furry. The way Donkey isn't a furry.
Ah, but Puss n' Boots can be furry. It's the wonderful difference between an adjective and a noun.
Cat nose is really irrelevant, just a step farther then most catgirls. There's no snout, and no fur, merely a tail, and a nose. Tarutaru aren't furries, just midgets with hair. Galka I can't really say, but I'm inclined to believe they're just hairy, not furry. Elvaan can go to hell, the damned frenchies, and humes, as we all know, can't be furries.

[Aelice]

*busts out laughing* This topic is so amusing. XD

I'm still inclined to say furry... But does it really matter if they really are or aren't? =p

He says he hates all furries, but when he found himself attracted to the Mithra, he freaked out. XD

Once upon a time, I hated all stereotypical elves. ^^;; Then I saw screenshots of those lustful homoerotic Elvaans.. and my mind changed!

Nothing to be ashamed about, yo!

*shakes Hitokiri* Heck yeah, I'm always right. ;)

[Aelice]

Cat nose is really irrelevant

CAT NOSES GO ON CAT CREATURES. CATS HAVE FUR. IT MAKES SENSE.

[Hitokiri Kuratosu]

Okay, pull it back for a sec. Let's say hypothetically, they don't have fur; Even still, they are very much cat-like, so I can't see how fur or no fur can make you anymore uncomfortable with liking the Mithrans. You're basically attracted to the same thing. XD End game. =p

[Aelice]

lol, it's the concept. We're weird. Don't mind us. Sure, it's the same Mithra.. but whether they're furry or catgirls changed the atmosphere of the attraction.

[Michael]

Stop with the furries and go get dragoon ready.