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	<title>Comments on: Ask John: Which Anime are Too Convoluted for Their Own Good?</title>
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		<title>By: GATS</title>
		<link>http://www.animenation.net/blog/2012/07/31/ask-john-which-anime-are-too-convoluted-for-their-own-good/comment-page-1/#comment-18086</link>
		<dc:creator>GATS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 20:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sohryuden.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sohryuden.</p>
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		<title>By: Zhou-BR</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zhou-BR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 03:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, I meant &quot;engaging or coherent way&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I meant &#8220;engaging or coherent way&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Zhou-BR</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zhou-BR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 03:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Say what you will about Sadayuki Murai, but all of his shows and movies end up making sense once you finish watching them, which is more than I can say about some other writers who try their hand at dense, non-linear narratives. In Boogiepop Phantom&#039;s case, the TV series is a lot easier to understand if you read the Boogiepop and Others novel or watch its live-action adaptation first.

A show that really put me off with its excessively convoluted story and setting was Horizon in the Middle of Nowhere. Some of the ideas in it seemed interesting, but to me the show completely failed to present them in an interesting or coherent way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Say what you will about Sadayuki Murai, but all of his shows and movies end up making sense once you finish watching them, which is more than I can say about some other writers who try their hand at dense, non-linear narratives. In Boogiepop Phantom&#8217;s case, the TV series is a lot easier to understand if you read the Boogiepop and Others novel or watch its live-action adaptation first.</p>
<p>A show that really put me off with its excessively convoluted story and setting was Horizon in the Middle of Nowhere. Some of the ideas in it seemed interesting, but to me the show completely failed to present them in an interesting or coherent way.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 03:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fun topic.  Complicated programs can be fun if you have the time to diagram it all. I loved BOOGIEPOP PHANTOM when I first saw it, even if I didn&#039;t really know what the hell was going on.  I saw a timeline once, showing the proper sequence of events and from which episode each event occurred, and that helped me understand things a lot more.  GHOST IN THE SHELL TV, particularly the second season, is definitely guilty.  The second season just wrapped a re-broadcast on Adult Swim andthere are still a few parts of the series that kind of leave me in the dark.  The fractured series structure that Production I.G carried over from the first season is partly to blame, no doubt.  (Some anime do this better, others do it worse... where, I wonder, does a title like BACCANO fall?)

I watched TEXHNOLYZE all of the way through, but don&#039;t remember anything about it.  ERGO PROXY, which I got halfway through,  was something I could stick with... but the anime kind of lost its way, more preoccupied with Re-l&#039;s random encounters with lost cities while on the run than with actually discovering the truth about her corrupt home city.

There are also plenty of anime series&#039; that aren&#039;t deliberately or overtly obfuscating but still manage to be miraculously confusing because the story dynamics or character dynamics are duly in compatible.  I had a serious problem with FRACTALE in this regard, where characters literally refuse to explain what&#039;s going on until the last one or two episodes. The second season of DARKER THAN BLACK is problematic too... giving the audience multiple parties (&quot;culprits&quot; or whathaveyou), and kind of just mashes things together at the very end. STARSHIP OPERATIONS is kind of fun, but if I remember correctly, is unnecessarily loaded with hard sci-fi techno babble.  Also, Akiyuki Shinbou...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fun topic.  Complicated programs can be fun if you have the time to diagram it all. I loved BOOGIEPOP PHANTOM when I first saw it, even if I didn&#8217;t really know what the hell was going on.  I saw a timeline once, showing the proper sequence of events and from which episode each event occurred, and that helped me understand things a lot more.  GHOST IN THE SHELL TV, particularly the second season, is definitely guilty.  The second season just wrapped a re-broadcast on Adult Swim andthere are still a few parts of the series that kind of leave me in the dark.  The fractured series structure that Production I.G carried over from the first season is partly to blame, no doubt.  (Some anime do this better, others do it worse&#8230; where, I wonder, does a title like BACCANO fall?)</p>
<p>I watched TEXHNOLYZE all of the way through, but don&#8217;t remember anything about it.  ERGO PROXY, which I got halfway through,  was something I could stick with&#8230; but the anime kind of lost its way, more preoccupied with Re-l&#8217;s random encounters with lost cities while on the run than with actually discovering the truth about her corrupt home city.</p>
<p>There are also plenty of anime series&#8217; that aren&#8217;t deliberately or overtly obfuscating but still manage to be miraculously confusing because the story dynamics or character dynamics are duly in compatible.  I had a serious problem with FRACTALE in this regard, where characters literally refuse to explain what&#8217;s going on until the last one or two episodes. The second season of DARKER THAN BLACK is problematic too&#8230; giving the audience multiple parties (&#8220;culprits&#8221; or whathaveyou), and kind of just mashes things together at the very end. STARSHIP OPERATIONS is kind of fun, but if I remember correctly, is unnecessarily loaded with hard sci-fi techno babble.  Also, Akiyuki Shinbou&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: PockyBox.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>PockyBox.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Granted it&#039;s been a while, but I&#039;ve always felt the Tenchi Muyo! OVA was fairly convoluted. There&#039;s a lot going on that is rarely explained, and fans were strung along for around ten years before the very disappointed (to put it diplomatically) final act was produced.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Granted it&#8217;s been a while, but I&#8217;ve always felt the Tenchi Muyo! OVA was fairly convoluted. There&#8217;s a lot going on that is rarely explained, and fans were strung along for around ten years before the very disappointed (to put it diplomatically) final act was produced.</p>
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		<title>By: seanny</title>
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		<dc:creator>seanny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mawaru Penguindrum is an obvious recent example, which builds a dense vocabulary of metaphorical/symbolic imagery and iconography.  The mechanics of its finale were so abstract, it took several blog articles (incl. yours) and apple/fate flow charts &amp; diagrams for me to sort-of get it.

On the whole I enjoyed Penguindrum and its density of ideas, but its over-abstraction obfuscated some of its expression, IMO. Sometimes I wanted it to be straightforward.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mawaru Penguindrum is an obvious recent example, which builds a dense vocabulary of metaphorical/symbolic imagery and iconography.  The mechanics of its finale were so abstract, it took several blog articles (incl. yours) and apple/fate flow charts &amp; diagrams for me to sort-of get it.</p>
<p>On the whole I enjoyed Penguindrum and its density of ideas, but its over-abstraction obfuscated some of its expression, IMO. Sometimes I wanted it to be straightforward.</p>
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